Maybe Jonny, then again there were still a number of 14MP point and shoots released this year. I cannot see them pushing compacts too much more though, because they have reached the point of diminishing returns, at least with current technology. The question is, have they done that with APS-C sized sensors? I think Canon's 18MP sensors have proved that not to be the case.
Rival Specs For the D90 Replacement?
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I think you're right, Rob. I guess what I meant is that at least with the powershot G series Canon was taking the hint that MPX weren't everything, and those are marketed to serious point and shoot users. I think it will slow down, but I wouldn't think it will stop before about 24MP on APS-C. Time will tell... Let's hope Nikon can stick around in any case.
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The sensor in the G11 is more than likely a Sony sensor so perhaps it really has nothing to do with megapixels and more to do with which sensor was readily available at the time.
valonqe said:
For that to find out we have to wait and see what Photokina brings out.
And if nothing happens I think with in few years time we are going to discuss
Nikons merger with any other bigger boys.Why does everyone suddenly think Nikon's in big financial trouble because they haven't replaced the D90 or D700 yet? That's very funny because despite all the complaining and crying over the lack of this and that, Nikon is still at the very top of the pile among all other manufacturers.
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Personally, I don't think Nikon is in big financial trouble right now. But, Nikon itself appears to agree that slow speed to market with new products can destroy a company and that it needs to see some improvement in that regard (just my interpretation based upon the content of this link: http://www.nikon.com/about/ir/management/message/index.htm ).
It was one thing when what we seemed to hear from Nikon, without more, was that they would not increase MP without increasing IQ. Then, it seemed, at least to me, like we weren't getting increased MP because Nikon was already operating at the state of the art and the state of the art was just not there yet.
Now, it seems like we might not be getting better technology (including, possibly, more MP with better IQ) because of some lacking business processes at Nikon. If true, that could spell the end of a company if it is not fixed.
Maybe I am misinterpreting and, if so, let me know why. I'd like to get back to thinking that Nikon is making the right moves.
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I don't get it either, Niko. For Nikon imaging, I'd think the darkest years in the recent past were the pre-D3 era. Maybe people are more concerned these days because Nikon imaging is basically on its own what with the stepper business tanking.
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Yeah, I think Nikon is fine, for now anyway. It's not like they are going to turn into Pentax in the next 24 months.
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Let's not hijack this thread but of course a new company president is going to say he's coming in and "taking charge" and is going to improve this and that and make the company bigger stronger, and faster than before he took over.
I think you're reading too much into this interview. The guy has to make "big" promises because he's Nikon's new leader. What Nikon does within the next year has already been drawn out and has nothing to do with this new president. What happens in the next two to three years does!
And don't forget that this interview is just Nikon "propaganda" and is meant to "glorify" future products.
Anyway let's get back on topic with the "60D" versus D90/"D7000" specs. And leave the Nikon Promises to the other thread.
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Fair enough. The D90 and D300s replaced by a single camera still has my vote.
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Yes I like that scenario too jonny. If the D90 goes "up" and the D300 comes "down" in the model line then you'd have a very capable killing machine, I mean Nikon camera.
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If the D90 replacement and the D300s replacement merge what would it be though? The D400 or D7000? I'd hazard a guess and say D400. Then again, Nikon cannot afford to not have a crop sensor camera to go head to head with the 7D, unless they intend to do so with a low cost FX camera. The D90 needs to be morphed from a camera that goes head to head with the Rebel's into a camera that matches the xxD line (ie 50D/60D), in terms of build quality and feature set. The D5000/D3000 replacements can go head to head with the Rebel line.
It would have to look something like this:
14-16MP
Aluminum Alloy, water and dust sealed body with soft rubber grip like D300s
6FPS Continuous Shooting (Minimum)
20 or 30 point AF system (5-10 Cross Point)
Dual Card Slots: CF and SD card slots like the D300s
3.5" Mic Input port for sound
HD video with at least some manual controls
Same AF motor as D300
Improved 3D tracking
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Nikon has a MP problem in terms of camera sales. That is fact. Customers and even sales people rarely understand all of the technical factors in selecting a camera. Just capture card ratings and sales are a hint of how little understood quality and speed ratings matter. Capture card requirements become much more critical with video on board, especially 1080p video. Nikons D90 replacement will be one of the most IMPORTANT choices the company has ever taken, especially when its imaging division is doing better than the stepper production and other industrial equipment. In my field I have seen surveying equipment change from old school to more and more run by gear like Nikon Total Stations which combines GPS and angle and distance measurement to make one of the fastest and most accurate land surveying tools known to man. I do hope though Nikon does not go the way of Minolta which I owned a whole fleet of until they kept abandoning mounting systems and making older glass obsolete. Nikon WILL NOT start making sensors is my prediction. Too big an outlay from their present configuration. That does make them dependent on what they can get. That kind of dependence could erode market share to cause them to have to merge. I have tried to follow Nikon corporate announcements and even inside rumors. I do not have access to enough information to guess what their next move will be. That is exactly the reason I follow Nikon Rumors almost every day. I do hope Nikon is listening to expert user opinions rather than to just be tying product development (D90 in particular) to projected sales and profit.
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Alright, fair enough Niko.
PBPM's specs sound perfect. Well, if the MP are 16 and the High ISO bests the 7D by a significant margin. I doubt 14 MP is any different than 16, but 16 sounds a lot more worthy.
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I think the D7000 would probably be a better name since it would still be an "amateur" class camera.
DaveyJ said:
I do hope Nikon is listening to expert user opinions rather than to just be tying product development (D90 in particular) to projected sales and profit.Wow! When did internet forums fill up with experts?!? I thought they were just camera owners...
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Nikon Rumors forum members do not represent the average Nikon camera user is my reading of the topics or the tea leaves.
I would also guess that Nikon would not merge the D90 or the D300s replacements. I think there is a niche (market demand and price point) for a lighter D90 replacement with a lighter price and a aluminum alloy body with better seals, features and that would command a higher price (but represent fewer sales). Also my guess is 16 mp better be the new Nikon bench mark as opposed to 12.
The D5000 and the D90 might be pretty close in features but I never saw them as close enough to make me consider the D5000 for use as a back up or hazardous duty field camera. It seems you'd have to see sales volume for each model, etc., and then base the model offerings on that. PB PMs spec list seems right on and I hope Nikon is ready to release and make available that camera. D7000 could be the logical name for this D90 replacement. I still think a separate D400 should be in final test or even production. The D90 replacement better not be over $1,400 with a kit lens when introduced and the D400 should be priced pretty close to the D300s at its introduction.Posted 2 years ago # -
DaveyJ said:
I think there is a niche (market demand and price point) for a lighter D90 replacement with a lighter price and a aluminum alloy body with better seals, features and that would command a higher price (but represent fewer sales).How could it have a lighter price with more features that commanded a higher price?!? What kind of expert are you? :^)
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NikoDoby said:
I think the D7000 would probably be a better name since it would still be an "amateur" class camera.I'm not so sure about that, the D5000 replacement would effectively take the D90's place as an amateur body. A D90 replacement with such specs would be priced higher than the D90, most likely $1300 body only, based on specs and build quality. That sounds about right, because it would be right in the middle of D300s and D90 launch prices.
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My recent post implied two cameras. A D90 replacement and a D400 replacement and the respective specs.
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I would say d7000 with some of the d300s specs and new d400 as a cheap FF, but that's my point of view
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I know, DaveyJ, and I'm not implying I know better than you. I'm just saying that it would make sense to me if Nikon merges them, especially because it would leave room for a D90-esque FX camera like Pete mentioned.
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Eventually cheap FX cameras (both new and used) are going to be creeping into the $1000 dollar range. It's only a matter of time. So I like Adamz's way of thinking :^)
Besides Nikon can always say the "D7000" is a new line of "advanced amateur" camera and not really a D90 or D300 replacement. Just like the D700 wasn't really replacing anything either. So they could make a "D7000" with a slightly higher price then the D90 but with more D300 stuff. It would also entice people who have a D90 and a D300S to think about "upgrading" to a new "D7000". Because as we all know when a new camera model comes out your old camera immediately stops working. :^)
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I totally agree with Jonnyapple and Pete that a D90 sized replacement in FX would be worth the wait. Shoehorning that in a smaller camera would be quite a marvel. To me that would be the ideal field camera. Full frame DSLR though would require a mid range zoom beyond what I have now as I have wide covered and telephoto, NOT mid range zoom. I'd like to be doing wildlife photos in Alaska THIS July with that camera. Still I will have what has worked well in the past and a one additional valuable lens that I had excellent luck with the previous model and the VR version does help. I rarely shoot with a tripod. With my Nikon DSLRs on 800 ISO the results have been excellent.
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jonnyapple said:
Fair enough. The D90 and D300s replaced by a single camera still has my vote.Interesting thought, Jonny.
I pondered between D5000 v D90 before I bought my D90. Whilst the technical differences are not great, the cameras seem to be aimed at different markets: the D5000 seems very "user friendly" aimed at those moving on from a P&S, whereas the D90 seems to be aimed at serious amateurs who are fully comfortable with how photography "works".
The D300 is a major step up from the D90, both in capability and price. As Niko says above, it has the potential to be a fabulous camera. But the price might well put off the D90-type buyers and the trimmed specs put off the D300-type buyers.
Personally, I'd vote for a few extra pixels, articulated screen, the D300's AF, and an improved high-ISO performance.
Still, fun though this "rumouring" is, one day we'll know for sure. But I suspect whatever it is, it won't be sufficient to entice me - my D90 will continue to be just as good as it has always been!
DaveyJ said:
I do hope Nikon is listening to expert user opinions rather than to just be tying product development (D90 in particular) to projected sales and profit.I'm no expert, Davey, but I'm pretty sure Nikon shareholders (amongst many others) will disagree.
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