I would guess (no evidence) that Nikon D700 sales would be slumping right now. I am ready to move up to the D700. But I really don't want to drop $2K+ on a body that will be replaced in the near future. So I keep sitting tight...waiting...hoping. I currently shoot a D90 and want to replace it with an FX body including a few FX lenses at the tune of $5K+. And I would really like to have this before spring. Looks like that isn't gonna happen. Come on Nikon...release the goods!
D700 Replacement Versus 5Dmk3?
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Mountaineer63 said:
So I keep sitting tight...waiting...hoping. I currently shoot a D90 and want to replace it with an FX body including a few FX lenses at the tune of $5K+.I'm right there with you, buddy! (Welcome to NR!)
I'm sitting tight also. My new D7000 is still keeping me busy, and I'm continually impressed with the decent results it's producing at ultra-high ISOs. But, I'm definitely determined to shoot FX for stills someday (I bought the D7000 primarily for video, although, of course it's also my primary still camera for now).
I hope to shoot a large assignment this summer with a full-frame body. However, since the D4 is likely to precede the D800 (most likely, by many months), I may have some serious decisions ahead. A new D4 body, plus the four new AF-S f/1.4 lenses I want (24mm, 35mm, 50mm, 85mm) will total $10K+ USD.
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2010 was a great year for lenses especially FX from Nikon plus the D7000 is great, but I hope 2011 is the year for some new bodies. I hope 2011 becomes like 2007 was and I think we can all agree 2007 was pretty special to be a Nikon+Nikkor shooter. Lets just sit back for now and wait :)
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D700 at 18MP with video tossed in would be the camera I am interested in. I do not even need 1080, for the rare occasion I shoot video (twice on my D90) 720 is enough for me.
Please just keep it under $3k ;- >
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kanuck said:
2010 was a great year for lenses especially FX from Nikon plus the D7000 is great, but I hope 2011 is the year for some new bodies. I hope 2011 becomes like 2007 was and I think we can all agree 2007 was pretty special to be a Nikon+Nikkor shooter. Lets just sit back for now and wait :)2009 was the year for me, getting the 35mm 1.8 was really nice, it showed Nikon still cared about DX. That's the lens I grab now, especially for travel. It's a really nice package with the D40.
But I agree, I can't wait to see what Nikon comes up with this year. Surprise us Nikon!
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Surprise! More COOLPIXES :-)
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Hello everyone! I'm new to this board, so please bear with me! I'm more of a videographer (professional) than a photographer but these two worlds have now collided and don't show any signs of stopping (read Phillip Bloom on this for some insight from someone who knows better than most). The video DSLR or HDDSLR movement as some call now, is well underway and the Canon 5Dmk2 is the MAIN reason why, followed by the 7D and the other crop sensor cameras like the 60D, T21, etc.
IMHO This now totally negates any past time frames Canon may have followed for the release of future models like the successor to the 5Dmk2. These cameras are now the most sought after in the video world; the market has exploded. This never was the case when they were used and marked exclusively to still photographers. I know this is not always welcomed news to photographers! One reason why the successor to the 5Dmk2 MIGHT have LESS MPs would be because it could actually hinder the development of the new codec for video, making it harder for them to produce a raw offering for video. The form factor and the fact that these cameras shoot video but LOOK like a still camera is actually a very desirable thing for many videographers; the STEALTH factor, allowing us to shoot video undetected! That and a full frame camera can now be purchased for $2,500. Put fast glass on it and you have a video camera that produces images that are even better than a Sony EX1/3 that costs over 6K and 8K respectively.Shane Hurlbut (ASC) even claims the images from a 5Dmk2 will even stand up on a 60ft screen and look amazing. The Season finally of 'House' was shot a several 5Dmk2's as were the opening credits for SNL (along with a 7D for the fast-motion stuff). Blame Cannon for changing the video world so dramatically.
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Hi mcobrien,
And welcome...
If the thrust of your comments is that video is here to stay, I'm not sure anyone would argue, although some might want to try.
Canon does do video better, which is an itch in my crawl; I would prefer that Nikon fixed some issues in binning in the CMOS. It's almost like there was a spy working working in the Nikon engineering department from Canon. It's something that should have been fixed a long time ago.
The more/less MPs argument is new to me. I think there's a different fork for still/video processing so that the RAW processing would be photos and the video would be processed and handled differently - so that it really wouldn't impact video if additional pixels were added. I'm certainly not an engineer, so I could be very wrong. We have more than a handful of engineers here to chime in.
There are mountains of other processing features left out of the cameras, however, that you might want to consider. Video setups for curves, levels, black, and white, and RGB, not to mention sound processing. There are reasons a HD studio camera with an interchangeable lens mount costs more than a hundred grand.
The CODEC used in the cameras isn't as robust, either. It's thrifty (thankfully), so it can be used on the chips we have. But it's not in the same league as DVCPro or HDCAM.
There are a lot of reasons to get excited about the mobility of the DSLRs for video - I'm one of those who use them for that reason - but being 'eyes open' about it means being wiser with the pocketbook, too. They offer the opportunity to use nice lenses for good cinematic effect on a larger format, but they also present greater challenges in acquiring good sound and stable images in said format.
My best and we look forward to your contributions.
Mike
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Additional pixels / resolution could complicate video processing.
HD 1080p frame at 16:9 is 1920x1080. If the entire width & height of a "full-frame" sensor is to be used (to avoid cropping effect) then pixels in excess of 1920x1080 must be processed or discarded somehow ("down converted"). Since DSLRs have limited image processing capacity, the down conversion is usually done by line skipping.
However, line skipping introduces visible artifacts such as aliasing, moire, etc. The higher the resolution, the more lines must be skipped, making aliasing & moire a bigger issue if not otherwise compensated.
Another problem is the so called "rolling shutter" issue. With CMOS sensors, each pixel line must be read one-by-one sequentially, while the sensor is still recording other pixel lines. If the camera panned, then the pixel lines within each frame will be vertically shifted in relation to each other. This issue is most noticeable for vertical lines (such as buildings) which will appear to "lean" sideways during panning moves.
On higher resolution sensors, more pixel lines must be sequentially scanned, and the more this rolling shutter issue becomes apparent.
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@mcobrien:
Philip Bloom used a Canon 5d mk2 to shoot 2nd camera for Red Tails, a major Hollywood motion picture to be released this year, written by George Lucas and starring Cuba Gooding Jr.
So yes, video from the 5dmk2 can stand up to the big screen. I believe Mr. Bloom had over 200 clips from his 5dmk2 included in the final movie (but don't quote me on that).
Sadly, Nikon is way behind in this realm. I was at a Philip Bloom workshop last year where he criticized the D7000 as being practically unusable (lacking basic things like metering during Live View). I bought the D7000 anyway, but he's 100% correct.
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We're currently shooting a D7000 and a D5000 and i desperately want to replace the D5000 with a D700 or it's replacement. I found a killer deal on a barely used D700 that I'm waiting to hear back on, but if that falls through, I'm probably going to just sit and wait for a D4 or D800. While I'm waiting, I'll keep saving. Nikon taking their time, might be the best option for them. I would rather Canon release the 5D MkIII first, followed by a one-two punch to Canon from Nikon with the D4 and D800 monsters.
I'm hoping Nikon wised up since the release of the D7K in the video dept. They seem to be moving in the right direction with the D5100 release. I hope they release a firmware update for the D7K giving it at least 1080 30FPS(also 720 60FPS would be killer). The D7K sensor is too special to be wasted like this. I hate to see people using Canon's inferior sensors, just because they have HDDSLR features that Nikon doesn't/won't offer. It just drives me crazy and I'm a still photographer who shoots very little video. Video is something i do want to get more familiar with. Been wanting to shoot a very short video with the D7K for awhile now.
I also wonder about the D400 and how this camera will stack up. I'm sure it will feature a D7k sensor as well, but with the amazing performance of the D7K and the semi-pro body of the D7K, I'm not sure Nikon is in a hurry to replace the D300s. I would love a D300s(for it's body), but the D7K out-performs it by a good bit.
Hell, if this keeps up, i might just get another D7000 and waive-off FX all-together(for now).
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D7k is not a
CaryTheLabelGuy said:
We're currently shooting a D7000 and a D5000 and i desperately want to replace the D5000 with a D700 or it's replacement. I found a killer deal on a barely used D700 that I'm waiting to hear back on, but if that falls through, I'm probably going to just sit and wait for a D4 or D800. While I'm waiting, I'll keep saving. Nikon taking their time, might be the best option for them. I would rather Canon release the 5D MkIII first, followed by a one-two punch to Canon from Nikon with the D4 and D800 monsters.I'm hoping Nikon wised up since the release of the D7K in the video dept. They seem to be moving in the right direction with the D5100 release. I hope they release a firmware update for the D7K giving it at least 1080 30FPS(also 720 60FPS would be killer). The D7K sensor is too special to be wasted like this. I hate to see people using Canon's inferior sensors, just because they have HDDSLR features that Nikon doesn't/won't offer. It just drives me crazy and I'm a still photographer who shoots very little video. Video is something i do want to get more familiar with. Been wanting to shoot a very short video with the D7K for awhile now.
I also wonder about the D400 and how this camera will stack up. I'm sure it will feature a D7k sensor as well, but with the amazing performance of the D7K and the semi-pro body of the D7K, I'm not sure Nikon is in a hurry to replace the D300s. I would love a D300s(for it's body), but the D7K out-performs it by a good bit.
Hell, if this keeps up, i might just get another D7000 and waive-off FX all-together(for now).
D7k is not a Semi-Pro.. still d90's mid-level.
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darko26 said:
D7k is not aD7k is not a Semi-Pro.. still d90's mid-level.
Let me guess, you shoot a D300s? Lol. The D7K is most certainly semi-pro, I dont care what class it's technically in. It's a much more pro body then the plastic, non-weather-sealed D90. Sorry. I shoot professionally with one all the time. It's body does not hinder my performance at all. Let's not even get into why the D7K destroys the D300s in the sensor performance catagory.
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We have other threads for the D7k, this thread is for the D700 replacement and 5D MkIII. Move along DX users.
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PB PM said:
We have other threads for the D7k, this thread is for the D700 replacement and 5D MkIII. Move along DX users.Don't be condescending. This was in refference to my original comment on the D700 & 5D Mk III with regards to video options. The reason the D7K got involved in the topic, is because it's the only real body Nikon makes that can come close to competing with Canon in the video dept. We don't need people like you pretending like a DX user's comments are not relevant, because we shoot DX. I can afford any camera I want. The "Move along DX users" comment was distasteful, offensive and has no place on this great forum.
Even if the post was off-topic, your comment was not needed.
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This is not personal, and not about what you can afford, don't really care one way or the other. This thread is about FX cameras, regardless of how my comment makes you feel.
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Back on-topic guys
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I guess I can refresh my post on this excellent topic Niko posted originally. Looks like 2011 will not be like 2007 with exciting new releases afterall. 2011 will be significant and remembered for the natural disasters that hurt the Nikon corporation. I bet all the guys who were wanting the D700 last Christmas are kicking themselves for waiting even this long as it looks like the D700 refresh will not be coming anytime soon. I imagine the 5D Mark III will be delayed now as well. Both were due this summer and will be amazing cameras I'm sure...
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Just an update on my situation. I decided to hold-off on the D700 and decided to buy another D7000 instead. I will wait for the D700 refresh and re-evaluate my system then. I'm also interested to see if Canon can actually release the 5D mk3 this year and before Nikon. I have a feeling it won't happen for either bodies this year (maybe by Christmas, if we're lucky). I can't wait that long, so another excellent D7000 it is!
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If the 5Dmk3 is nearly 26MP as the rumor is saying, Nikon better not try to push a 16 or 18MP camera at me when they replace the D700. I am still at the point where I could jump ship with the investment I have in 6 lenses and 1 body.
They do not need to meet or beat the rumored 26MP, but being 10 less is unacceptable IF that is what happens.
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The linear difference between a 26MP sensor and an 18MP sensor is "only" about 17%.
I.e., you'd get an image that's about 5200 pixels wide, instead of one that's about 6240 pixels wide. As a comparison, the image from a D700 today is about 4250 pixels wide.
For my use that's acceptable, if there are other benefits such as: superior noise handling, and greater dynamic range. In fact I much prefer a low-noise camera vs. a high megapixel camera.
Having said that, I know many commercial clients are asking photographers for more megapixels, so practically 18MP should be the minimum for a new professional-level DSLR.
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IndyGeoff said:
If the 5Dmk3 is nearly 26MP as the rumor is saying, Nikon better not try to push a 16 or 18MP camera at me when they replace the D700. I am still at the point where I could jump ship with the investment I have in 6 lenses and 1 body.They do not need to meet or beat the rumored 26MP, but being 10 less is unacceptable IF that is what happens.
I see your point, but if more megapixels means more noise, Nikon shouldn't get cought up in that race. More MP doesnt mean better quality, just look at the image quailty of the current 5D MK2. Nikon is wise to stay out of the MP race and stick with having the best IQ in the industry.
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I'm hoping Nikon wised up since the release of the D7K in the video dept. They seem to be moving in the right direction with the D5100 release. I hope they release a firmware update for the D7K giving it at least 1080 30FPS(also 720 60FPS would be killer).
Whats so great about 30FPS? From what I understand very few people shoot in 30FPS. Almost every video you see is shot in 24FPS. 60FPS is good for slow motion, but otherwise Im pretty sure 24 is the standard. (TV broadcast is usually in 60i)
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