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NikoDoby

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Canon guys are gitty because supposedly the 5Dmk3 is coming sooner then anyone was expecting. Rumors are saying Canon will replace the 5Dmk2 as early as this July (12th or 19th) with either a 5Dmk3 or a 3 or 6D. Maybe that's why Nikon decided to alter their plans for the D700 replacement? Or maybe Nikon forced canon to speed up the 5Dmk2 replacement for this summer?

The 5Dmk1 was over three years old before canon rolled out the mk2 but this time the 5Dmk2 isn't even two years old yet and the buzz is already that it's gonna get replaced.

Nikon originally announced the D700 on July 1st, 2008.

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Maybe the reason for Canon releasing the mk3 is to address their issues of AF and noise. Or maybe it was a move so they won't lose any market share to Nikon releasing an advanced or equivalent camera to the price point of the mk3.

And Nikon's reasoning for altering their plans for a D700 replacement? Maybe they want more of their most loyal customers to finally give up in frustration and go to Canon. Maybe they want to lose market share as more and more consumers find Canon to give them more bang for their buck.

I don't know. But I read a recent article on why Apple only upgrades certain features of their phone instead of upgrading everything they can, as they have the technology to do so. To release a perfect product that blows the competition out of the water. And the reason? Cause by not upgrading everything, it gives customers a reason to upgrade every year. This could be the same thing going on here.

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So if Nikon doesn't give you an "upgrade" every year then you're going to canon. But if canon does give you an "upgrade" every year then you're going with Nikon because they don't make you "upgrade" every year?!? Alrighty then.

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i don't know but I am digging Canon 5d m2. Definitely on my wishlist.

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NikoDoby said:
So if Nikon doesn't give you an "upgrade" every year then you're going to canon. But if canon does give you an "upgrade" every year then you're going with Nikon because they don't make you "upgrade" every year?!? Alrighty then.

I never said that at all. I am pointing out that Nikon's reasoning for delaying a D700 replacement cannot be due the mk3 coming out. If anything, that would cause them to expedite a competitive replacement wouldn't it?

I don't care when the D700 or the D90 or whatever came out. Their competitors are gaining market share on them. If this was a conversation about TVs this would be ludicrous. Imagine if Sony released a line of TVs at 720p last year, and normally release new lines every 2 years. On the off year, the rest of the industry makes 1080p the standard and everyone starts releasing them. But Sony sticks to their 720p line due to their "Time Frame". Seriously. Their stockholders would be going nuts.

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I don't understand what you are saying because the D700 and D90 are up for replacement so how is Nikon falling behind? There is no solid "proof" that a D700 upgrade won't happen this summer. Though no solid proof (yet) that it will either. If the D700 replacement were announced today and it only had 720 video then all of you have my blessing to jump ship and "switch".

Remember though that the D700 came out BEFORE the 5Dmk2 so the fact that this time canon MIGHT be first to update to a 5Dmk3 way before schedule seems to indicate that something better COULD be coming from either Sony or Nikon and they have to hurry up to get the "5Dmk3" to market first.

Usually whoever goes first in it's announcements has the "lesser" product and takes advantage of getting all the attention first before a rival steals the spotlight by showing off something "better".

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If that's the case then why would NIKON be altering their plans? Shouldn't it proceed as planned if they're offering something better? They'd be doing Canon a favor by delaying whatever they have planned.

NikoDoby said:Maybe that's why Nikon decided to alter their plans for the D700 replacement?

My whole point that you're failing to understand is Canon releasing a Mk3 would not cause Nikon to "delay" a D700 replacement. Unless they found out that the Mk3 would blow the replacement out of the water, then Nikon would have to go back to the drawing board.

Also... I'm not planning on jumping ship anytime soon, which is what I believe you're assuming. I'm perfectly fine waiting for a D700x/s/800 or a D4. Until then I'll keep shooting away with my D300s. But just like you, I care about this brand, and I just want to see them get off their butts and recapture some of that market share they've been losing.

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Well first this is just a forum discussion and NOT a detailed report to the Nikon board of trustees. Second Nobody but Nikon knows their release timeline. So I'm NOT saying the D700 replacement has been "delayed" or sent back to the engineers because of what canon is bringing to the table.
I'm just bringing up a discussion about canon's POSSIBLE plan for a 5Dmk2 replacement already this summer. I had previously heard that the "5Dmk3" was being "rushed" out at the end of this year or early next. Based on canon's past time frame the "5Dmk3" shouldn't be out until august of 2011 at the lastest. The 5Dmk2 will barely turn two years old in September of this year and the original 5D was announced in August of 2005!

The D700 is just going to reach two years in July.

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Yes the D700 was July and 5D Mark II came out in August, but where I live you had to wait until August 2008 for the D700 and the 5D Mark II came out in September. Both have turned digital photography on its ear ever since. Even the D3X is aging quickly it will be 2 years this Christmas I believe!

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This is foolishness, . What difference does it make to Nikon users , what cannon does.
Why would someone change systems over a few months delay in introducing a new camera. We all know that an improved D700 and D90 are in the works. Your not going to get rid of a complete set of lenses just to buy a Canon a few months before the new Nikons
are introduced, How much better are the images going to be ..?

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I think it's foolishness too. . .honeslty, I'm barely semi-pro, and I'm invested in about $5-6500 with all my lenses/bodies/etc.

I'm not going to sell that all for 40% off to get sub-par AF and "faster glass" in a super plastic 5dmk3.

But I'm slow to learn things - I wouldn't have the patience to relearn menus/layout/etc. . .

I am still waiting for a D700 that can shoot in 720 p though :-)

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For me, it doesn't matter what Canon does. I have far too much invested in Nikon glass to even THINK about switching. But, what competitors do, can (and, often does) affect product roll-outs, release dates, and even features. I would consider anything Canon does to light a fire under Nikon's development team, a good thing, actually.

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here it is now january 2011 and i've been saving my money to upgrade to full frame from my D90. The D700 is 2 1/2 years old and i'm wondering when our Nikon guru's are going to upgrade the D700????? I'd really love to see a 18 megapixel fullframe body as a replacement for the D700 before I plunk down my money for a 12MP. has anyone heard anything? THANKS !!

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I think if canon was to hurry up production of the 5DmIII it would be due to the punch that the d7000 gave to the 60d and they are afraid of the same killer in a "pro" model. Im still theorizing that the D700 and D300s will be replaced by 1 camera as the D7000 technically almost did the same thing with the D90 and D300s. Im honestly waiting for the D4...

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kyoshinikon said:
I think if canon was to hurry up production of the 5DmIII it would be due to the punch that the d7000 gave to the 60d and they are afraid of the same killer in a "pro" model. Im still theorizing that the D700 and D300s will be replaced by 1 camera as the D7000 technically almost did the same thing with the D90 and D300s. Im honestly waiting for the D4...

I don't mind if Canon comes out with the 5D MkIII first, that gives time for Nikon to make a better D700 replacement.

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Isn't this one of those threads that should have been closed after it was started?
If you prefer Canon buy Canon, if it's Nikon buy Nikon...I've yet to hear anyone say "that would have been a really good image if only he'd have used a Nikon instead of a Canon".
Somebody pass me an aspirin lol.

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Well the discussion stems from a replacement 1 vs replacement 2. Remember many pros invest in what their ad agencies tell them to not what they want. I met this guy who was recently booted after a couple of years of working for an agency because he shot an a900 and not Canon gear...

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broxibear said:
Isn't this one of those threads that should have been closed after it was started?

Give it a rest already Broxi! PM if you want to bring this up again.

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This was a great topic actually and one of my favourite of 2010, I thought Niko very interesting and relevant.

The new 5D Mark II is supposed to actually drop in MP and have less in camera editing such as saturation and production on the JPEGS images after a shot. I have heard anywhere from 16-18mp but cleaner images and better low light performance. This would be consistant to their new Eos 1D Mark IV which dropped in MPs from 21-16.1 and the the famous point and shoot G12 and 11 which dropped in MP from the G10 in order to produce cleaner overall images. Nikon beat Canon to the punch in 2008 with the D700 I think Canon will return the favour this year and when both are released photographers around the World will benefit just like before. 2008 was my favourite year for releases actually. 2011 promises to be possibly just as exciting I think.

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kanuck said:
This was a great topic actually and one of my favourite of 2010, I thought Niko very interesting and relevant.

The new 5D Mark II is supposed to actually drop in MP and have less in camera editing such as saturation and production on the JPEGS images after a shot. I have heard anywhere from 16-18mp but cleaner images and better low light performance. This would be consistant to their new Eos 1D Mark IV which dropped in MPs from 21-16.1 and the the famous point and shoot G12 and 11 which dropped in MP from the G10 in order to produce cleaner overall images. Nikon beat Canon to the punch in 2008 with the D700 I think Canon will return the favour this year and when both are released photographers around the World will benefit just like before. 2008 was my favourite year for releases actually. 2011 promises to be possibly just as exciting I think.

New D4, D300s and D700 replacements really sound exciting indeed. But I can't even afford the lowest rung camera there, so as excited as I am, I'm not really going to follow it.

Probably all will have the D7000's meter or maybe even better with at least 39 AF points.

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SteveM said:
here it is now january 2011 and i've been saving my money to upgrade to full frame from my D90. The D700 is 2 1/2 years old and i'm wondering when our Nikon guru's are going to upgrade the D700????? I'd really love to see a 18 megapixel fullframe body as a replacement for the D700 before I plunk down my money for a 12MP. has anyone heard anything? THANKS !!

I was reading this thread and thought . . . huh? What? And then I saw it was six months old! It would be good to know what the current Canon rumor is, just to compare notes--anyone here keeping tabs on that?

FYI, last I read, right here on the NR blog, was that the D4 announcement was expected BEFORE a D800 announcement. I think the prediction was, D4 announcement in spring 2011; D800 announcement, summer 2011. As much as I want to go FX, I'm not sure I'll be able to pony up the huge pile of cash that a top-of-the-line D4 body would command. I would much prefer it the other way around (a D800 release, prior to a D4 release), but announcing the D4 first makes more sense from a marketing perspective. But, like you, I would prefer a D700-class, FX-body, first.

I'm dying to buy a D700 body myself; however, I resigned myself a while ago to just sit it out and wait for the next iteration of the D700 to satisfy my FX-fix. But, I think I may have a very long wait . . . I'm guessing, Q3-Q4 2011 (even though the current rumor is, summer 2011).

I did hear some very interesting comments from someone at Nikon (with my own ears, not read on some blog), regarding Nikon's position, vis-a-vis, Canon's 5D and 7D product lines. Encouraging. Nikon could very well surprise us all in the next two quarters.

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"But, I think I may have a very long wait . . . I'm guessing, Q3-Q4 2011 (even though the current rumor is, summer 2011)."
You might be right studio460...announcements and release dates can be a long time apart ?

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Just relax and wait for the cameras. There are going to be a lot of surprises (especially high noise performance, which is for sure starting to be more important than ever - and the D700 succssesor will for sure have at least a bit better than D3S).

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If a d700 replacement came out at 16-18mp and the new pro camera canon whatever came out at 16-18mp that would be very interesting to me at least. Maybe it might show that people dont all need 24mp and that there is a happy medium where mp and low light abilities match up. Somewhere around the 16-18mp with todays tech. Just my .02

And no im not going to jump ship. Im willing to wait to buy what I need when i need it. If you "really" need super low light and want to work with nikon you have the d3s or slightly cheaper d700. If you want more mp then you have the d3x. If you cant afford them maybe look into canon. Nikon has good glass and amazing bodies, granted they are at a price. Maybe prices will come down maybe not. I like shooting also not just waiting for the next body:-)

edit: this came across as a @$$. I just mean to say to be happy with what you have, buy what you need, or shoot and be happy.

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studio460 said:
For me, it doesn't matter what Canon does. I have far too much invested in Nikon glass to even THINK about switching. But, what competitors do, can (and, often does) affect product roll-outs, release dates, and even features. I would consider anything Canon does to light a fire under Nikon's development team, a good thing, actually.

one vote for this post,

and I like the humor of niko's

"So if Nikon doesn't give you an "upgrade" every year then you're going to canon. But if canon does give you an "upgrade" every year then you're going with Nikon because they don't make you "upgrade" every year?!? Alrighty then"

well said Bruce.

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