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Film vs Digital

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  1. studio460

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    heartyfisher said:
    for me nothing unexpected besides having to do mental maths as my lenses were of different apertures and the camera couldn't get down to iso 50 :-) .. my maths is not good so I decided if I were to do this often I would write a phone app to do these calculations for me :-) then I had to decide which phone to get that had the nice enough development kit to make the task fun. of course by the time I looked in to that and decided on an android phone, I had to investigate the best tools for my linux PC to do that. In the mean time I decided to rebuild my PC to install windows 7. For that I had to investigate the whole new bunch of harddisks now available and deciding if I would go for a SATA3 or a sata2 2TB disk.. so ... still have not written my app yet! LOL!

    Oh my god, that's funny, hearty!

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  2. DaveyJ

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    I do agree on the Kodachrome extinction as NOT meaning film was dead. Another thing I failed to mention (maybe) is that I stopped using chrome films and switched to negative films. Part of that way way better latitude. Part of that was way better offerings in negative film. In large format I switched to negative earlier than I did in smaller formats like medium (6x6,6x7,6x9,6x12, 6x17). In 8x10 and up my switch to negative film was almost mandatory.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  3. NikoDoby

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    I still prefer using E6 film but now mostly only in 120. The newest Portra 160 and 400 films from Kodak are amazingly good though!

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  4. bjrichus

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    NikoDoby said:
    I still prefer using E6 film but now mostly only in 120. The newest Portra 160 and 400 films from Kodak are amazingly good though!

    Re-directed here by MsMoto ... only to discover that our beloved Nikodoby is now well into Lomo toy cameras. At least we now know why he isn't here anymore!

    (It's a joke - I know he wrote 120, not Lomo and all the other reasons why MF film is better etc or not better etc).

    Posted 7 months ago #
  5. msmoto

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    I am with you bjrichus... Got to playing around with an image taken with a little P & S. Here is the image:

    Tate Street

    And the 2000 pixel where on can see the difference:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/fantinesfotos/8136281499/sizes/o/in/photostream/

    So, what I have seen after my first ever attempt at introducing grain, is, the image resolution with digital is IMO much higher when the digital image is recorded. I believe this is due to the aspect of the sensor having no depth or thickness while B & W film has a thickness which in effect causes a loss of resolution. OK, so this might get something started... and as our beloved NR Admin stated at the opening of this thread "There will be blood in this forum... please keep it civilized. Thanks!"

    Posted 7 months ago #
  6. bjrichus

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    msmoto said:
    So, what I have seen after my first ever attempt at introducing grain,

    I use the Nik Silver EFX Pro software for B&W conversion. Much better results than ding it all manually in my view.

    In another thread, you can see I said I am about to start on a CLA type project on a 120 film camera (its even a bellows/folder type). Lord knows if it'll work and I'm even less sure about not breaking it. Not worth sending it away as it is worth about $50 to $75 or so...

    Posted 7 months ago #
  7. kyoshinikon

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    I have been shooting with a minigraphlex as of late and was surprised to discover that it can facilitate 120 film... More choices!

    Grain can be faked in digital but the effect is not the same. Film has a softness to its grain wheras digital grain is akin to the static screen on tube televisions with stark blacks and whites amiss the grain...

    I am still a bit baffled by the terminators disappearance... Maybe we will see him in the future...

    Posted 7 months ago #
  8. msmoto

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    kyoshinikon said:
    Grain can be faked in digital but the effect is not the same. Film has a softness to its grain wheras digital grain is akin to the static screen on tube televisions with stark blacks and whites amiss the grain...

    I am still a bit baffled by the terminators disappearance... Maybe we will see him in the future...

    Yes, on the grain...The "effect" of natural grain in film is due from the thickness of the emulsion I think. And this is difficult to reproduce.

    In view of the suddenness of NikonDoby disappearing, I can only think it was either a severe medical event which has prevented computer use or the final day and Niko is no longer with us. Niko remains a legend on NRF. All of my investigations have been for naught. Niko's email does not reject the messages but I get no response.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  9. Gitzo

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    Before I found NRF, I was "accustomed to" a web site where everything was written in about the last 24 hours or so; here, "threads" go on for "years and years" ! But I will say this.........for the most part, the "people" here are MUCH nicer !

    Now.......back to page 1 of this thread. A member, "Pavlov" (I believe), was talking about (three years ago) a subject that I have seen discussed many times, in various places..........how best to get our years and years of color slides onto our hard drives. My son gave me a perfectly good Nikon film scanner a few years back, (before I got around to "going digital"). ( I never "got around" to using the scanner either.)

    But there IS a "better way" to do it; anyone who used to shoot a lot of reversal film will remember "slide copiers"; I have a very nice one lying about someplace, but alas, it was for Canon FD lenses, and I don't use any of them any longer.

    Anyway, I believe it was on another forum where I read a very good post someone had made, about using a slide copier to hold the slide, while photographing it with with a macro lens and a D SLR; the fellow writing the post reported getting excellent results with this method, (much better than scanning the slides), which ALWAYS has problems with dust. )

    My question is.......has anyone tried this ? Like most people, I have a huge collection of slides that I would LOVE to go through and digitize some of the better ones. If anyone has had any experience with photographing slides, I think there's a huge number of people that would be very interested in hearing about your experience doing it.

    While I'm on this subject, I've noticed a few people mentioning shooting B&W. Years ago, when I first started shooting 35mm film, I used to shoot a lot of Kodak's VERY fine grain Panatomic X; (ASA 25) at the time, Kodak sold a "direct-positive" processing kit, and you processed the Panatomic X just like any other negative film, but then you re-exposed it with a #2 photo-flood lamp, (or am I getting this mixed up with processing Anscochrome and Super Anscochrome color reversal film ?) we used to do both, but it's "been awhile" ! It developed "positive" rather than negative, then you cut each image apart, and mounted them in cardboard "ready mounts"; the results were far sharper than almost any Kodachrome slides. Again, does anyone remember this, and has anyone ever had any experience doing it ?

    All of these posts about shooting large format..........at one point, a friend and I had a fine old Crown Graphic 4X5 camera; talk about "beautiful, sharp images"! (and hours and hours of time spent, not to mention it took an hour to take 2 or 3 pictures, what with all of the "loading" film carriers, inserting the "dark slide", then doing everything over again, in reverse order, to take a picture!)
    I seriously doubt that I'll ever get "hooked" on doing "large format" again ! ( and I can only imagine doing all of that with 8x10 film, (or even larger) !

    Posted 7 months ago #
  10. Gitzo

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    I give up ! When I posted this, for some unknown reason, it came up double. Then I tried to delete the bottom "copy", highlighting it and pressing the "delete" key; (didn't work) then, I just held the "delete" key down (for about 5 minutes), and it DID delete the text, but not the rest of it.

    Does anyone know of an online "how to use a computer" course ?

    Posted 7 months ago #
  11. msmoto

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    Gitzo said:
    I give up ! When I posted this, for some unknown reason, it came up double. Then I tried to delete the bottom "copy", highlighting it and pressing the "delete" key; (didn't work) then, I just held the "delete" key down (for about 5 minutes), and it DID delete the text, but not the rest of it.

    Does anyone know of an online "how to use a computer" course ?

    This is what mods do.... makes us feel like we are really doing something :-)

    Posted 7 months ago #
  12. rookieshot

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    Always liked borrowing my friends DSLR and looking to purchase my own camera, so my question to all the intelligent and experienced members, should I just buy a SLR because it will teach me more about getting a good shot or a is that crap and just get a DSLR, thanks guys!

    Posted 7 months ago #
  13. TaoTeJared

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    rookieshot said:
    Always liked borrowing my friends DSLR and looking to purchase my own camera, so my question to all the intelligent and experienced members, should I just buy a SLR because it will teach me more about getting a good shot or a is that crap and just get a DSLR, thanks guys!

    It's crap - Buy a DSLR and you will learn 1000 times faster. Film you have to wait for 2-3 days to see what you messed up on - DSLR you just wait 1 second then adjust and try again. Instant feedback is what DSLRs moved the whole game forward.

    Posted 7 months ago #

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