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  • Started 3 years ago by noob_Photo_Guy
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  1. noob_Photo_Guy

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    Hey NR, I’ve been keeping up with the site for a little over a month now and I figured it was about time that I join the forum so I could say thanks to the NR Admin and the NR community for all the info and advice I’ve been privy to for the past month or so and to get a few questions answered.

    Just to give you a little background info, I’m new to DSLR’s. I’ve always appreciated nice photos, but until now never had the funds to purchase a nice camera. I have some basic knowledge of working a DSLR, but only from watching youtube tutorials and reading Digital SLR magazines (no hands on yet). I did some research and, like most beginners, I narrowed it down to the D90 and the D5000 (I know what you’re thinking… no, this isn’t another which camera should I get D90 or D5000 post lol).

    I’m mostly interested in indoor/outdoor portraits. I’d love to get the D90 package deal with the 18-105mm and 70-300mm lenses, but due to the cost exceeding my budget ($1200 max) I’m thinking that I’ll probably end up getting the less comfortable (feels small) D5000 with the 18-55mm and 70-300mm lenses. If I go that route I’ll also be purchasing some radio transmitters (since there’s no commander mode) and a couple of Vivitar flash units for outside stuff (please don’t stone me lol… I’m on a tight budget). Might have to add an aftermarket battery grip to it as well to counter the small feel of the camera.

    Ok, so now that I’ve bored you to death let me get to my questions:

    1) I’m considering purchasing a cowboystudio monolight flash lighting kit that includes 2 studio flash/strobe lights, 2 softboxes, 1 background support system, black and white muslin backdrops, and a carry case. While reading the reviews someone mentioned that the lights are only 100 watts. He went on to recommend buying a higher wattage for portraits, but never gave any recommendations. What should I be looking for with respect to the wattage? How much power (watts) do you need for decent portrait work?

    2) I’ve been looking into different lighting setups for indoor portrait work. I’ve seen a lot of diagrams using a one light setup to a billion lights (exaggerating, but you get the point). One question I haven’t had answered yet through diagrams or youtube vids is which lights in a studio flash setup actually flash and which lights are constant? Is it just the main, the fill light, the main and the fill, what about the “hair light”… are they all flash units lol? I’m assuming that the background lights are constant, right?

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  2. NikoDoby

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    Welcome to the forum noob guy.
    OK I have to be brief but in essence don't overwhelm yourself learning the camera AND light set ups. Take it one step at a time. Sounds like you want to jump right in and start up your own personal studio. I say for now learn the camera and the basics first. Learn how to use natural light first.

    You sound pretty serious with your goal so I think that ultimately you will out grow the D5000 very quickly. So for YOU I would recommend the D90. I understand money is tight for you but the D90 is a great starting point and at a great price for someone who will want to take their photography to the "next level". You'll always be saving up for more lenses, lights, etc. so there's no need to hurry up and buy an entire studio from the very beginning.

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  3. kyoshinikon

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    2 strobes with a modeling light is a great setup to start with although I'm not very familiar with the cowboy strobes. The D500 is a waste of money in your case. Often you have a "modeling light" on your strobe that has a continuous light that can stay on as you flash. the flash will probably be your highlights or main light. In the setups I've done the fill is either continuous or bounced off a reflector or umbrella as opposed to directly aimed at the model. 100 watts is good enough.

    You will also need a sync cable adapter to mount on the top of your camera body hotshoe as well as a sync cable(a wireless pocket wizard makes it 1 less cord to trip over but cost's much more) and an external light meter.

    As Niko said start practicing using natural light just to learn the nature of it... A knowledge of the kelvin scale is also good. :)

    In a studio setting the 70-300 will have little use, so it might be better to not get it and instead get a dirt cheap 50mm f/1.8

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  4. noob_Photo_Guy

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    NikoDoby said:
    Welcome to the forum noob guy.
    OK I have to be brief but in essence don't overwhelm yourself learning the camera AND light set ups. Take it one step at a time. Sounds like you want to jump right in and start up your own personal studio. I say for now learn the camera and the basics first. Learn how to use natural light first.

    You sound pretty serious with your goal so I think that ultimately you will out grow the D5000 very quickly. So for YOU I would recommend the D90. I understand money is tight for you but the D90 is a great starting point and at a great price for someone who will want to take their photography to the "next level". You'll always be saving up for more lenses, lights, etc. so there's no need to hurry up and buy an entire studio from the very beginning.

    Thanks for the quick reply Niko. You're probably right, I tend to overdo things when I'm really interested in them. I'll take your advice and hold off on the studio till I'm competent with the camera and with using natural light.

    I was afraid of outgrowing the D5000 too quickly, from everything I've read (including posts from this forum) it's more geared towards people who are interested in it's "point and shoot" settings as well as video (I'm honestly not interested in video on my DSLR at all). I suppose I could hold off on the dual lens kit and just get the D90 with the kit lens. Maybe I'll get lucky and there will be a price drop with a new D90 replacement coming in the near future :-)

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  5. noob_Photo_Guy

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    @ kyoshinikon:

    Thanks for the quick response. I'm going to take you and Niko's advice and stick with using natural light first as well as learning the ins and outs of the camera. You're right about the 70-300mm lens... guess that's me "noobing out" and wanting to have a huge lens like the pros lol.

    Also thanks for all the advice on lighting. After I get competent with natural light maybe I'll move up to two SB-600's since I'm also taking you and Niko's advice on not purchasing the D5000. Yay for D90 and commander mode :-)

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  6. heartyfisher

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    PS: all the keylights highlights backgroundlights go off at the same instant.

    +1 on the D90 + SB. Try to go for one SB-800 or 900 if possible. They are magical(some people have bought nikon just because of those SBs).

    This was done with one SB800 in a softbox.

    Behind the scenes ..

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  7. noob_Photo_Guy

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    @heartyfisher:

    Thanks for the advice and the info. Nice pics by the way! I'll try to save up for the SB-800 or SB-900.

    Your answer brought up another question I have about flash photography (although the game plan now is to put studio stuff on hold till I get proficient with the camera). If you're indoors and all your lights are flashes how does the ambient light in the room affect your shot?

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  8. heartyfisher

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    Thats where the fun happens ! :-) You can either use your ambient as the key light and fill with your flash or Blast it to oblivion ;-).. Thats where the nikon CLS is in a class of its own. You can group your SBs in to 4 groups and change the power of each group from your camera. You then simply use the shutter speed and aperture to control the ambient lights. In the first picture the ambient light is made very low. the one below the ambient is the main light and the flash was just fill.

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  9. noob_Photo_Guy

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    @heartyfisher:

    Ah, I see! Looks like I'll be adding some SB's to my wishlist :-)

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  10. adamz

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    I would say - go for the second hand d90, they should be cheaper and help You buy SB. As for long lenses.... well, it's not the size that distinguishes pros and amateurs (although, my wife says size does matter :D). anyway, do it one step at the time. get body (D90 - it has the commander mode, and that's only worth the add money if You are serious about photography, also go for the original flashguns instead of some 3rd party ones) + lens first, and once You become familiar with it get the studio light if You still will be interested in that kind of photography. You can also look at some off brand lenses, Sigma is getting a new lens 17-70 F2.8-4 DC MACRO OS HSM (DX only), I've played with the non-OS version and it's a good choice for money.

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  11. noob_Photo_Guy

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    @ adamz:

    LMAO @ the size matters comment. Thanks for the advice! I hadn't considered buying a used D90, but you're right... that would give me extra cash for the SB. I'm very interested in utilizing commander mode on the D90 to control a couple of off camera flashguns. Originally I figured if I went with the D90 I'd purchase a pair of SB-600's to keep costs down, but I'm going to take heartyfisher's advice and save up for the SB-800 or SB900. I'll start checking prices on ebay for used D90's! I'm still hoping that if a D90 replacement is announce the price will drop a little on the D90. However, from what I've read on this forum so far it's more likely the price won't drop any lower and it'll become harder to find D90's.

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  12. Rusty1963

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    Here is an interesting site with loads of information and tips for flash users.

    http://strobist.blogspot.com/

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  13. NikoDoby

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    adamz said:
    well, it's not the size that distinguishes pros and amateurs (although, my wife says size does matter :D)

    Poor girl. She must be so disappointed with your small gear. Does she often cry herself to sleep every night? Ha ha just kidding you Polish "behemoth" you *wink*wink* :^)

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    noob_Photo_Guy said:
    @ adamz:

    LMAO @ the size matters comment. Thanks for the advice! I hadn't considered buying a used D90, but you're right... that would give me extra cash for the SB. I'm very interested in utilizing commander mode on the D90 to control a couple of off camera flashguns. Originally I figured if I went with the D90 I'd purchase a pair of SB-600's to keep costs down, but I'm going to take heartyfisher's advice and save up for the SB-800 or SB900. I'll start checking prices on ebay for used D90's! I'm still hoping that if a D90 replacement is announce the price will drop a little on the D90. However, from what I've read on this forum so far it's more likely the price won't drop any lower and it'll become harder to find D90's.

    You wont find many SB-800s, other than used ones, since it has been out of production for over a year now. The SB-600 is just fine unless you are shooting from a long distance. Maybe get an SB-600 and an SB-900, to keep costs down?

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  15. adamz

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    check also the craigs list, it's often a better solution (and cheaper) than ebay

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  16. noob_Photo_Guy

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    @Rusty1963:

    Thanks for the link! Adding it to my favorites now.

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  17. noob_Photo_Guy

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    @PB PM:

    Good idea. I could use the SB-900 for my main and the 600 for my fill, or something like that. Much cheaper than getting two 900's.

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  18. noob_Photo_Guy

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    @adamz:

    Thanks, I'll check craigslist out as well.

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  19. kanuck

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    The SB-600 is great I have loved using it and it can often be found cheap used because of all the people who jumped to the SB-900. Don't sell the max end 85mm zoom range and the power of the SB-600 short though :)

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  20. adamz

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    one more thought, if You are serious about flash get at least one sb900 - the rest can be sb800 or sb600, the remote control at sb900 is much nicer than on any other nikon SB

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  21. jonnyapple

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    I think SB-600 makes more sense unless you try one and find you're not getting enough power. SB-800/900 will give you only (haha) an extra stop or so of light. Is it worth over twice the price? For some people it is, but I'm guessing not for you.

    Ditto the D90 advice. Don't forget primes, which can give better quality results than zooms at the same price (check out the 50mm 1.8 for ~$125, for example).

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  22. poster

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    Actually I would advise you to go for cheaper 3rd party flashes. There's plenty of them. Check strobist website for more info. (lightning 101 and 102)

    unless you want to shoot in eTTL, there's no point in overpaying for Nikon flashes. Get yourself some wireless triggers and you are good to go.

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  23. PB PM

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    For someone new to photography, trying to figure out remote triggers might be a bit much. I buy Nikon flashes because I have better things to do with my time than setup third party hardware, to me the time I save is worth the price.

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  24. Bailey

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    yes i think that it is a Good idea. I could use the SB-900 for my main and the 600 for my fill, or something like that. Much cheaper than getting two 900's.

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  25. NikoDoby

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    Why not use the camera's built-in flash for fill? It'll be fine for portraits. You don't need to speed $$$ on an SB600 AND 800/900 only to use one for fill flash.

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