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Sony NEX 3 & 5 "EVIL" Cameras Officially Official

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  1. NikoDoby

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    Here is the first hands-on review from a "reputable" site. They have some side-by-side comparison photos between the NEX 5 and some DSLR and the GF1 which looks very over weight next to the Sony.

    http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/NEX5/NEX5A.HTM

    They also have ISO comparisons against other cameras including the D5000 towards the bottom. Their user selectable sample comparison gallery isn't live yet but soon you'll be able to compare the NEX 5 samples against the Nikon D90 and D5000 etc.

    Here are the USD prices

    NEX-5A with 16mm lens $650USD
    NEX-5K with 18-55mm lens $700USD
    NEX-3A with 16mm lens $550USD
    NEX-3K with 18-55mm $650USD

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    I was hoping that Zeiss would design new lenses. Preferably smaller ones.
    The concept would be self defeating if I was to have a brick sized lens attached.

    I have never shot Zeiss glass unfortunetally, but having this little camera kind of opens the window of opportunity for me.

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  3. NikoDoby

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    Dang! Sony have also announced a new APS-C CMOS HD camcorder using the same sensor and lens mount from the NEX series cameras! Could Nikon be planning to use the "same" camcorder/EVIL cameras as Sony but with an F-mount instead?!? That would explain the patent for an F-mount camcorder wouldn't it? What if Nikon hooks up with Sony and puts out a "rebadged" Sony camcorder and EVIL camera with Nikon tweaks?!?

    The new Sony APS-C CMOS with interchangeable lens camcorder will be out in the fall!

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  4. PB PM

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    That would be sweet Niko...

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  5. NikoDoby

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    Well first Panasonic announces plans for an interchangeable lens camcorder and now Sony. Nikon also files a patent for such a camera. That would really really "surprise the market" wouldn't it?!? Wow, I guess I owe bmxdad an apology for his "crazy" idea of a Nikon camcorder, but his idea of a cooling fan inside a pro flash is still stupid! Haha :^P

    The first half of the year was really quiet as far as new and exciting announcements but it looks like the next half of the year is going to be amazing with so many "game changing" cameras!

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  6. NikoDoby

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    Dpreview Hands-On
    NEX 3
    http://dpreview.com/previews/sonynex3/

    NEX 5
    http://dpreview.com/previews/sonynex5/

    NEX 5 is actually a magnesium alloy metal body! They will have optional OPTICAL viewfinders!

    It was also announced that these cameras will shoot 3D Panoramas that you can view on new Sony 3D Televisions!

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  7. adamz

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    if they make a F-mount adapter (with full support to G lenses) than I guess we gonna have a winner. Can't wait to get one in my hands and play with it a little bit. I really like the pricing. iso 1600 looks quite good. IMHO, it's gonna be a perfect travel companion.... hmmm... it's sony... and we are on nikon forum... well... NIKON please strike back :D
    btw:
    the 23Mpx panoramas looks good

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  8. clillja

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    Nice. I haven't always been satisfied with their products, but Sony plays to win.

    @nikodoby said "Could Nikon be planning to use the "same" camcorder/EVIL cameras as Sony but with an F-mount instead?!? That would explain the patent for an F-mount camcorder wouldn't it? What if Nikon hooks up with Sony and puts out a "rebadged" Sony camcorder and EVIL camera with Nikon tweaks?!?"

    I can not adequately express how completely awesome that would be!

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  9. jonnyapple

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    The possibility of a similar Nikon camera will keep me from buying the NEX3/NEX5, but really it's the only thing that's going to keep me from buying one! I'll wait to see what Nikon does in response, but at this point based on those high-ISO samples Nikon's response better have an APS-C sized sensor. Sony has seriously raised the bar for compacts here. I haven't had that much trouble sleeping after a camera announcement since the D300.

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  10. jonnyapple

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    Hints from Nikon about an EVIL camera? Thom Hogan mentioned this in his most recent article analyzing the Nikon financial statement about the coming year:

    Nikon also expects a 13% growth in lens sales and a 9% growth in Coolpix sales. How does Nikon suggest they'll achieve all this growth? "Development acceleration of new generation..." and "rapidly growing emerging markets."

    How could they get a 9% growth in coolpix sales without something groundbreaking?

    In any case, I really like to hear them say they're focusing on accelerating the development of the next generation of cameras.

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    On the contrary I will most likely get Sony.

    Will Nikon design new smaller lenses specifically for this new camera system?

    Somehow I doubt this. And if I have to use regular Nikkor lenses than what's the purpose of this new camera system? I want smaller, lighter and preferably in the same price range like Sony.

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  12. clillja

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    Seeing the official accessories for the NEX, I note a Sony/Minolta lens adapter. There are Minolta to F-mount adapters out there so I would imagine some enterprising soul will be mounting a Nikkor on that bad boy before long... but we'll have to wait for the Novoflex adapter for "G" lens support...

    Camera also looks thin enough to support the Leica mounts...

    Or will Sony try to cripple this ability? The Minolta adapter has electronic contacts - the camera may insist on some sort of "chip" to meter, or function at all....

    @poster said "Will Nikon design new smaller lenses specifically for this new camera system?"

    I think they will -- if they make the camera. Why make a razor if you're not going to cash-in on making blades?

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    NikoDoby said:
    , I guess I owe bmxdad an apology for his "crazy" idea of a Nikon camcorder, but his idea of a cooling fan inside a pro flash is still stupid! Haha :^P

    Apology taken, thanks Niko

    Anyway Nikon Camcorder, is OK then, now I have only 2 more crazy ideas left, Cellphone and a new Proflash ;~)

    Pete

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    jonnyapple said:
    Hints from Nikon about an EVIL camera? Thom Hogan mentioned this in his most recent article analyzing the Nikon financial statement about the coming year:

    How could they get a 9% growth in coolpix sales without something groundbreaking?

    In any case, I really like to hear them say they're focusing on accelerating the development of the next generation of cameras.

    I think sadly Nikon is a bit out of touch with reality, P&S cameras(Coolpix) is not a growing market unless the camera is inside a cellphone and neither is regular DSLR going to be a growing market, this new Sony release will without a doubt change the market share of regular DSLR

    Yes Sony was late in the game of both EVIL style Cameras and in adding Video, but arrived with game changers

    Pete

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  15. shivaswrath

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    IF nikon were to do something similar,
    I wonder if same issues with AF would remain - they state that it has "continuous" AF with the NEW lenses they are selling it with, but with an adapter, the NEX3/5 will be compatible with all the Sony and Minolta lenses. . .

    If I couldn't get continuous AF with my Nikkor lenses on a Nikon EVIL, then poo. . .

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  16. bmxdad

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    Yes AF is still an issue, the Panasonic G1 is not bad, I wonder if they could somehow combine the current multipoint AF system with Liveview, that is really needed to make the Camcorder model work flawless

    Pete

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    poster said:
    On the contrary I will most likely get Sony.

    Will Nikon design new smaller lenses specifically for this new camera system?

    Somehow I doubt this. And if I have to use regular Nikkor lenses than what's the purpose of this new camera system? I want smaller, lighter and preferably in the same price range like Sony.

    Nikon wouldn't have a choice other than to make new lenses, even DX lenses would protrude too far into the body of an EVIL camera. If you actually look at the size of some of the Sony lenses they are not that small. One review said that the 18-55mm Sony lens is the same size as the Canon 18-55mm IS. The pancake lenses will be small, but zooms really aren't going to offer much in terms of space saving. It is the camera bodies themselves that offer weight and size reductions.

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  18. shivaswrath

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    if they have to design new lenses, I would say I'd skip it for sure. . .what's the point of spending thousands on excellent lenses only to have to go buy mediocre ones for my travel quasi-P&S?

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  19. PB PM

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    shivaswrath, I understand where you are coming from, but physically attaching standard Nikkor lenses without an adapter would be almost impossible, the rear of zoom lenses would no doubt hit the sensor!

    It is kind of funny but I have an image in my mind about what could happen if standard F mount lenses did work. I see someone walking along with a EVIL camera and the 300mm F2.8VR mounted... lol

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    shivaswrath said:
    if they have to design new lenses, I would say I'd skip it for sure. . .what's the point of spending thousands on excellent lenses only to have to go buy mediocre ones for my travel quasi-P&S?

    The point would be, at least potentially, that you you could use BOTH types of lenses as appropriate to the situation. And there's no reason why the smaller lenses would necessarily be mediocre. The idea is great Nikon performance in a smaller package.

    @PB PM said "...even DX lenses would protrude too far into the body of an EVIL camera."

    That's not how it works. The DX lens would need to be on an adapter that would set it the same distance from the sensor as it would be on a DSLR body. It's the smaller lens that wouldn't be usable on the DSLR. Example F mount = 46.5mm and m4/3 mount = 20mm so the adapter is 26.5mm thick. The Sony mount looks quite similar in terms of flange focal distance.)

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  21. bmxdad

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    Correct clillja

    Pete

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    I'm not that impressed. Other than the pancake lenses, the zooms still look massive. As great as the ISO performance is, the lenses are still big.

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  23. jonnyapple

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    I don't think an APS-C 'compact' is for you, then, NSX. These lenses are probably pushing the limits on size for lenses that can cover that image circle.

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  24. PB PM

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    Thats what I find funny. People are asking for these EVIL cameras with APS-C sensor, but they also want smaller lenses? That does not work, it is a matter of physics, the glass has to be that big to cover the image circle without too much vignetting. If you want smaller lenses, you need micro 4/3s or a point and shoot.

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  25. NikoDoby

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    NSXType-R said:
    I'm not that impressed. Other than the pancake lenses, the zooms still look massive. As great as the ISO performance is, the lenses are still big.

    You don't like any new camera and you don't take your D40 anywhere because it's too "bulky" and your afraid it'll get stolen?!? I'm beginning to think you don't have ANY cameras NSX.

    The reason Sony had to make new lenses is because the distance from the back of the lens to the sensor is so much smaller. It's (e)ighteen millimeters, hence the name "E" mount. The overall size is bigger than the Olympus and Panasonic EVIL cameras because, as others have pointed out, of the larger sensor.

    Nikon has patents on lenses that would use a sensor about the size of old 110 film. Slightly smaller than m4/3rds. So if Nikon takes those patents into production then they will have very small lenses on a small camera but with a small sensor too. Even the old 110 film was pretty noisy when you'd make enlargements so I'm not thrilled of the idea of such a small digital sensor. Think COOLPIX, think typical point&shoot :^(

    And it might not have alot of megapixels. Notice how the m4/3rd cameras are all pretty much "just" 12mp. But if Nikon works it's magic and gets awesome image quality then we will see how things fall into place.

    Here's a list of the lenses with a 2.5X crop that Nikon has patents on.

    32 mm f/1.2
    14mm f/2.8
    18mm f/1.4
    30-107mm f/4-5.6
    10.5-107mm f/3.3-6
    10.5-108mm f/2.8-6
    9-42.6mm f/2.8 – 5.6
    10.5-107mm f/2.8 – 5.9

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