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  • Started 3 years ago by Skid
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  1. kellenfreeman

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    i think buying used just takes some patience. you have to wade through a lot of really messed up stuff, but ive scored some great deals on lenses that were essentially brand new. i just got an 18-200mm vr for 500 bucks after shipping and it came in mint condition. i also bought my 20mm off a professional photographer in the area that was also in great condition and havent any problems with it.

    just be careful and ideally, make sure it has the box, packaging and warranty card, since with those things you can typically do exchanges through bigger chains like samy's... especially if you have friends. ;)

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  2. jonnyapple

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    heartyfisher said:
    @ Jonnyapple- You may well be right on all points. But if you look at nikon's patent on the 3 refracted sensor under one micro lens. You can see that there is still room there. you basically have 4 times the area for each colour pixel. A fine harvest of photons to be gathers in that size.

    Even if Quantum Dot is not real Black silicon sure is. and who know what else some innovative scientist is thinking up right this moment !! :-) sigh.. am I too much of an optimist?

    I missed your reply somehow, hearty. Yes, you're right that the bayer filter is absorbing a lot of photons before they get to the photodiodes. It will be interesting to see who will first bring something to market to get around it, and the prism seems like a good idea to me. The best part about it is that as photosites get smaller, the aliasing you'd get from it would matter less (though it's basically the same for Bayer filters) while you could collect more light than a bigger photosite could. And I don't think foveon-like sensors are the way forward. Way too much complexity where it's hard to engineer it, which is why you end up with a sensor with about 4 MP on the current crop.

    It seems to me like black silicon will be hard to implement inexpensively for mass-produced sensors. Backside illumination makes more sense but has less promise; I think at this point you take any little gains you can get where you can get them if they're easy to get.

    I might also be wrong about that quantum dot treatment. It could make the Si more sensitive in some way. I'm skeptical because I don't understand it, but their silence could mean they're still trying to get the IP watertight or that they really don't know if it's going to work. We'll just have to wait and see.

    I think what's certain is that digital cameras are going to keep improving. That's a Good Thing from where I'm at!

    Posted 3 years ago #
  3. heartyfisher

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    Yup! I was pretty happy with the old 100 ASA film and it looks like the DX format will be able to beat it by a factor or 2 at least in the years to come. So its all good.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  4. solid_liq

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    heartyfisher, I think you're a bit overly optimistic. I looked at all the pictures from the camera for which you linked a picture. All pictures from that camera were taken in jpeg format. This means they were likely post-processed in-camera to reduce noise. My old D1X has much lower noise at ISO 125 and ISO 200 than that camera has at just ISO 100. My D1X (2001 technology) can exceed the performance of that camera's ISO 800, 1600 and 3200 performance if I apply noise reduction in PP to the images from it to make my images as soft and blurry as the ones from that camera.

    Quantum dots... dreaming. It *could* someday help, but quantum physics is still bleeding edge. We do not have any products, of any kind, in production which take advantage of quantum dots, quantum entanglement, etc. It's not going to show in in sensors this year, or this decade for that matter.

    Black silicon may show up sooner. However, it's fairly freshly out of the lab. It takes a minimum of 10 years to bring something from the lab into manufacturing. Look at Silicon Aerogel. Heavy research into how to mass produce it has been going on for over 10 years and has yet to bear fruit. Seriously, google for it. It's an amazing material, and I *know* you'd love to take some pictures of it (it's really strange looking). Silicon Aerogel would have a much larger impact on the world and net a much larger profit for its producers than black silicon ever will, and they still don't know when (if ever) they'll be able to mass produce it.

    Sorry, but I really think you're a bit too optimistic about this. I wish you weren't; I'd love to be able to pick up a DX format camera with D700-level performance in the near future. But, that's not going to happen :(

    Posted 3 years ago #
  5. heartyfisher

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    Thanks for that!. The Aerogels sure will have an impact (Dunlop are making tennis rackets from them! LOL sorry for the pun !! Rotten tomatoes welcome ! LOL! )

    What a cool material ! Its almost the opposite of black silicon. in that it absorbs stuff. Black silicon will be revolutionary too! Solar cell are going to get a major boost in output and so many applications can come form the energy radiation properties as well.

    Combined with Aerogels I can almost see a real life light saber! ie generate the aerogel blade from a combination of various aerogels, silica and alumina and carbon and infused with black silicone. would be light as air and strong too!

    Posted 3 years ago #
  6. solid_liq

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    Yeah, I can't wait to get a cooler insulated with silicon aerogel... will make long outdoor excursions a breeze!

    Posted 3 years ago #

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