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NikoDoby

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In case you guys missed it on the main page a rumored D4000 (a "cheap" D3000 but with video) and two other cameras are coming this year. One of which might have the following specs and be announced "very, very, soon":

39 AF points
16 MP with 6400 ISO + HI2 position
24 fps 1920/1080 video
it will have an optional (new) MB-D11 grip

So the question is now whether these specs are

A) For the D700 replacement
B) The D90 replacement
or
C) Nikon's first affordable full frame camera?!?

I'm thinking it's the new D700. It'll have less AF points because they'll be spaced out better. It'll have more megapixels but have slightly better ISO performance within the same range. And of course the 1080p 24fps HD video all you "haters" have been crying about!

But if these could also be nice specs for the D90 replacement. 16mp and great ISO performance would help put up a fight against canon's latest 18mp cameras. The 39 point AF would be a great improvement over the current 11!

If this is the D700 replacement then we all owe a BIG thanks to Skid because he just ordered his D700 and made this all happen! :^)

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kyoshinikon

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The could be either as the specs could fit both now... My guess is the D700 because of the MB-D11 grip.

Also the video specs seems like a response to the 5D mII more than the Ti2 (which is still a class lower than the D90)

I still doubt C is a possibility because it would strangle the D90 and kill D300s possibility of a Dx replacement.

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Well, the MB-D11 could be a replacement for the aging MB-D80, which would free Nikon from that old design for the base of the camera.

So what if a FX D90 kills the D300/D90 DX bodies, as long as they are selling bodies and lenses what difference does it make? For those that still need a Pro style DX body, you can bet Nikon would still have one. I know many people who bought used D2H and D2X because they wanted a pro DX body, rather than an FX body.

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My hope is B) a D90 replacement \ new line DX merged with D300s.

But I think with those specs it is probably a "new" FX line \ D700 upgrade \ D3x meets D3s in a smaller body. And it will be priced accordingly.

Not sure how this can be C) If it is full frame then my money (for what little it is worth) is that it is going to cost more than a D700 costs now!

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And if an 85mm F1.4 VR lens was released at the same time then it might be suggest that option A is indeed the most likely. A perfect pairing (though Nikon does have previous on releasing pro bodies and DX lenses at the same time so may be I'm reading too much into that).

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It'd be cool if this were a DX replacement for the D2 series, but I don't think so. May be a new D300s.

39 autofocus points seems a bit random- if the high end ones have 51, seems lower end to me.

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Thinking left field they could all be DX. Later in the year the FX series could be announced. ie D4, D4x, D800. I think its about time to disconnect the release dates of the DX and FX lines.

So the 3 dx cameras could be the D3000 replacement, D90 replacement and the D300s replacement.

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NikoDoby

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Why would it cost more than the current D700 just because it has more megapixels? The D200 had more way more pixels than the D100 yet the price went lower. The D300 had more pixels than the D200 and the price stayed the same. The D300S added video and the price dropped even lower.

Don't think that 39 AF points makes it "worse" then 51. If it is an FX camera then 39 points could mean wider and better coverage. If it's DX well that's waay better than the 11 AF points the D90 has now.

I doubt Nikon will only announce 3 new DSLR this year and make them all DX hearty. I do think there is a chance the D90 and D300 could merge into a new advanced amateur/semi-pro camera.

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@ niko : I did say that there will be FX DSLRs later in the year :-) . My theory(flimsy as it is) was that the DX and the FX ranges needs to be decoupled as the speed in development and product release needs to be different.

Still what do you think the D300 replacement will have in terms of specs? +1 EV iso improvement and a few more MP? That sure sounds like the specs stated. Easily achievable with the new techs we already know is available. i dont think 39 AF sensors are going to be worst if there are more X types and better distributed.

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Not all focus points are created equal, either. I didn't use the 51 autofocus points on the D300 because only 15 were cross-type and the others sometimes got confused if the contrast wasn't in the right direction (horizontal or vertical). My normal way of shooting was to use the really accurate center point and then recompose. I think most people would be happy going from the current 51 to 39 cross-type points—I know I would.

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NikoDoby

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Well I think it's strange that Nikon has discounted the D300S so much. To me that means that

A)They want to move as many D300Ss now because a better spec and cheaper DX camera is coming
B)The D400 is closer than we think
or
C)A low cost FX camera in the same price range is near.

I'm thinking A because a D90 replacement with these specs would make me think twice about buying a D300S.

The D300S replacement is going to have better dynamic range, ISO and more MP. That's pretty much a given. I think the real question is whether the D300 replacement is going to continue to be DX or will it "step up" to become Nikon's first $1999USD full frame camera?

The D90 replacement would then "step up" to become Nikon's new semi-pro DX camera. The "D4000" would be a D3000 with video but not a true replacement (think of the D40/D40X). Or it could actually be above the D5000 in price and specs. Though that would be confusing, but the D40 is better than the D50 right?

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The more I think about it the more I believe that there is a good chance its a merged D90/D300S
1) Vs 7D
2) no number above 90 in the XX range. Would probably prompt a rethink by nikon people.
3) The spec would make a poor D700 replacement. But a great D300 replacement.
4) The D400 level( pro DX ) if released at the end of the year could be even better ! Maybe bigger body a bit like F4 with the small battery grip attachment. or a small D3S.( with same iso performance ! (Brain bursting with what a D4 would have !!))
5) too crowded below the D90 range. Would put pressure on the D90 spec upwards.
6) 11 < 39 < 51 AF points.

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NikoDoby

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Number 4 - Wow that's some good stuff you must be smoking heart! :^)

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NikoDoby said:
Number 4 - Wow that's some good stuff you must be smoking heart! :^)

Tell me you wont want one! :-)

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NikoDoby

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Sooooo now that hearty passed me his peace pipe... what if.... Nikon announces all three cameras in one super duper in your face mega announcement? Dat would be soooo awesome! Hey look... my hand is full of stars... I love you Nikon I love you so much.

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i'm leaning towards this being a FX replacement.

or hoping.

the fact that the D300s and D700 are the ONLY bodies available for the rebate should also confirm this; the MB-D11 update is even further proof.

If it's a model squarely placed between the D300s and D700, it'll fly off of shelves; even if it's "crippled" with a less sophisticated meter (like the D90 vs. D300) or slower fps, people will buy because not all of us can justify the cost and weight of a D700.

This is exciting! Although I will probably always keep a DX body in my bag for shoots simply because you just sometimes NEED that extra 50% factor on the long end.

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NikoDoby said:
Sooooo now that hearty passed me his peace pipe... what if.... Nikon announces all three cameras in one super duper in your face mega announcement? Dat would be soooo awesome! Hey look... my hand is full of stars... I love you Nikon I love you so much.

LOL! Tell me which part of 4) that you don't think is possible?

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heartyfisher said:
The more I think about it the more I believe that there is a good chance its a merged D90/D300S
1) Vs 7D
2) no number above 90 in the XX range. Would probably prompt a rethink by nikon people.
3) The spec would make a poor D700 replacement. But a great D300 replacement.
4) The D400 level( pro DX ) if released at the end of the year could be even better ! Maybe bigger body a bit like F4 with the small battery grip attachment. or a small D3S.( with same iso performance ! (Brain bursting with what a D4 would have !!))
5) too crowded below the D90 range. Would put pressure on the D90 spec upwards.
6) 11 < 39 < 51 AF points.

I agree- the D90 and D300s are very similar in specs, and the only difference is pro build quality and a few little tid bits. The D5000 already occupies the D90 range, the only thing for the D90 to do is the move up. Thing is, if the D300s goes FX, where does the D700 go?

Lets just hope the price doesn't skyrocket, because there's a large difference between the price of a D90 and a D300s.

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I dont think D300 goes FX. I think D400 is DX but if the specs gets pushed up it should have a D3 style body but much smaller. like the old F4 with the small battery attachment.

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NikoDoby

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When you say the D400 would be "pro" DX to me that means another D2X. That's not going to happen. The D100 series is already as "pro" as it'll get. If Nikon were to make a "baby DX" version of the D3 series then they'd give it a different model number. Besides the D300 already got the "same" 12mp sensor from the D2X so why would they "redo" the D2X again?

Nikon makes money selling grips separately from the body. So I doubt they'd include one as part of the camera.

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I hope that they will just keep making a D300 size DX, with a grip you really have a very Pro Body, right

Pete

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Niko- What did I tell ya all. LOL I stick by my decision to buy the D700, no regrets. You all enjoy the new bells and whistles and share your photos!

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I think the predominant trend in this thread seems to be that people think the replacement (the one we have the supposed specs for) is going to be replacing the camera that they are looking to replace, haha.

So with that in mind, I am pretty sure this is the d90 replacement.

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NikoDoby

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I would rest easy with that prediction too foofie. The only problem is that the rumored new lenses are FX and geared towards pros. Also the D90 is still pretty much available everywhere but the D700 stocks are disappearing.

So that's why we can't be sure about which camera these specs belong to.

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Yeah, I've noticed :(

However, as a d700 replacement it just seems so lackluster and not much of a rebuttle to Canon's current wares, whereas as a d90 replacement it would seem much more competitive towards canon...

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