I wouldn't mind if Nikon brought out a similar Firmware to try out!
New canon Firmware Pulled
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Posted 3 years ago #
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That's like saying you wouldn't mind being shot, as long as the gun manufacture was testing the weapon.
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very funny PB, if you want to look it that way.
My point was to have a firmware which is similar to what Canon has for our Nikon cameras not the exact one. Even though Canon brought out that beta version, which apparently had some problems they fixed it with in few days. That to me my friend shows that they are serious about their costumers. Sometime even the big guys make mistakes.
Nikon didn't bother yet to tackle the video mode and sort out one of the most asked feature since D90 came out and that is the Manual control over D-movie, not to mention others like me that want full HD and different frame rates.
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Well, it may be talked about on internet forums, but how costumers have actually called or written Nikon with that request. If you want them to listen to you, you have to talk to them!
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PB PM said:
Well, it may be talked about on internet forums, but how costumers have actually called or written Nikon with that request. If you want them to listen to you, you have to talk to them!I have send Nikon 6 e-mails requesting information about future firmware updates and all I got is the same reply on each e-mail. It was exactly the same e-mail for each different question, which was regarding the firmware. I felt like the computer was responding.
Sometime they don't have to wait for peoples request through e-mails but reading news groups you get all the information regarding people that use their cameras.
Regards
Sometime you
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One person sending 6 emails is not the same as, 50+% of their customers emailing/calling.
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It is correct PB but again it's not just the e-mails that Nikon can receive feedback. There are so many news groups here on the net that people discuss about the features that they want on their cameras which should give NIKON a hint to develop their software department.
We know that Nikon produces photo cameras and lenses but so does the Canon as well. I am not going to go in explaining which one is better because I'm sure that Canon users have different opinion towards our Nikon cameras.
What I liked about Canon was the fact that they developed their cameras further for filmmakers in mind so every filmmaker is buying one. Which for Canon this means more sales because at the end of the day they want to make more money.
The way Canon developed the firmware was quiet interesting because they followed up on the request of so many people that bought the 5Dm2 which at the beginning it shot video in auto mode but restricted on 30fps.
They requested Canon to write a firmware which fixed the auto ISO and shutter speed.
A different group of people requested to have different frame rate and Canons answer was the 7D. Now Canon answered the question to those people that craved having the FF sensor on 5Dm2 to be able to shoot 24 and 25 fps with histogram and audio levels.
What I want to say is that Canon took the opportunity of the D-MOVE and developed further with the help of the users who used their cameras.
IT wouldn't hurt Nikon to do the same thing. I know there are photographers out there that like NIKON the way it is because they shoot photographs and they only care for High ISO and fast frame rate for sports but there other people including me that use Nikon for taking pictures for hobby but like to have the D-MOVIE mode developed further.
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Hi valonge I totally agree with you, I don't know if you have followed what Thom Hogan has written about Nikon's refusal to listen to what Nikon users like to see in their Cameras. Yes the D-Movie in present models could be improved, with a few upgrades, and so what if the first release like what happened with the 5D is a screw up, it got fixed
Pete
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I wonder how many people use the video functionality of their DSLRs. I, personally, have no interest, nor do any of the photographers I know (Nikon and Canon users). I have never actuated the feature on my D90 and could easily dispense with it. I don't know whether this is because the users I know are all over 30 or not. I've know a few videographers and they all have different mind-sets and ways of working. Also a very different post-production process.
How many of you have chosen your DSLR on the basis of video or video features?
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Yes you are right My Nikon is a DSLR to take pictures with, but it would be fun to actual take a video with it also, but at the moment the D-Movie feature is crippled, why not fix it, It will not change your view on how to use your Camera,
The fact is that all DSLR's will have video on them, Sony next and I doubt very much that Sony will arrive to the Video scene with a crippled Video mode
I hope dearly that Nikon is actual working overtime to get their D-Movie feature upgraded to the same quality if not better than Canon
Pete
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Just wondering, do VR lenses work when you're in movie mode? I'm pretty sure camera shake would put me off.
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ted2001 said:
I wonder how many people use the video functionality of their DSLRs. I, personally, have no interest, nor do any of the photographers I know (Nikon and Canon users). I have never actuated the feature on my D90 and could easily dispense with it. I don't know whether this is because the users I know are all over 30 or not. I've know a few videographers and they all have different mind-sets and ways of working. Also a very different post-production process.How many of you have chosen your DSLR on the basis of video or video features?
Ted my friend, just for you're curiosity do a small research on 5d and 7d and find what kind of people are using it? The sales on those 2 models doubled because every filmmaker has one or another purely because it shoots video. at the end of the day Nikon is loosing here not me. I bought the 7d because of the video and for you're information it has paid itself with in the week that I bought.
And for you're information people are shooting TV commercials, music videos, and lately even short and feature films.
As far as post production, Canon has introduced the EOS Movie Plugin-E1 for FCP which allows you to use the video footage from the D5 and D7 native.
THis shows to me how determined is Canon towards every Canon user not just the photographers.
I know you are not interested on the movie function so are other photographers but what I am trying to say is that Nikon has forgotten about a group of Nikon users that are asking Nikon for the D-MOVIE function improved. We are not asking them to build a something impossible, it is a simple firmware which fixes a small problem.
The beauty of it is that you as a photographer don't have to use it. Nikon have got got the menu where we all can costume the menu to our needs. So that way we all can be happy.
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valonqe said:
Ted my friend, just for you're curiosity do a small research on 5d and 7d and find what kind of people are using it? The sales on those 2 models doubled since they brought out on the market because every filmmaker has one or another purely because it shoots video. at the end of the day Nikon is loosing here not me. I bought the 7d because of the video which it has paid itself with in the week that I bought. If Nikon had provided me with the firmware that I was looking to get on the January I would spend those money to buy Nikon lenses but instead those money want to CanonAnd for you're information people are shooting TV commercials, music videos, and lately even short and feature films.
As far as post production, Canon has introduced the EOS Movie Plugin-E1 for FCP which allows you to use the video footage from the D5 and D7 native.
THis shows to me how determined is Canon towards every Canon user not just the photographers.
I know you are not interested on the movie function so are other photographers but what I am trying to say is that Nikon has forgotten about a group of Nikon users that are asking Nikon for the D-MOVIE function to be improved. We are not asking them to build a something impossible, it is a simple firmware which fixes a small problem.
The beauty of it is that you as a photographer don't have to use it. Nikon have got the menu where we all can costume the menu to our needs. So that way we all can be happy.
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ted2001 said:
I wonder how many people use the video functionality of their DSLRs. I, personally, have no interest, nor do any of the photographers I know (Nikon and Canon users). I have never actuated the feature on my D90 and could easily dispense with it. I don't know whether this is because the users I know are all over 30 or not. I've know a few videographers and they all have different mind-sets and ways of working. Also a very different post-production process.How many of you have chosen your DSLR on the basis of video or video features?
This very question was asked in a recent poll on a popular photography blog (over 2000 people voted), and of the people who's cameras had video, 44% used the feature. So the still photographers who say that video doesn't matter to people who buy DSLRs are flat out wrong.
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Meaning 56% didn't use the video feature (still a majority, unless you're in the senate). Of those 44% who did use the feature, I wonder how many used it frequently and consider it critical in their choice of cameras?
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Maybe PB we should remove the RAW feature, I bet you majority of people is not using it. Yes I know you don't want to use Video, I am not a big fan either, but that does not mean that the video feature is not important. So either Nikon stands back let the other guys move on, with improvements in video or Nikon gets going and make it work, because they could if they wanted.
Why are you so against it anyway, I think it could be fun to use, but at present stage the feature would be difficult to use properly
Pete
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I'm against it because Nikon spends time, development money and makes design compromises to provide for video functionality. I'm not looking for a one platform performs multiple functions tool. I just want to take still photos. Having a microphone and other features in my D90 added weight, complexity and cost (we can argue how much, but it's greater than zero) and provided me no benefit. It's still a great camera, but it wasn't designed to suit my specific needs. No bespoke camera's for Ted.
We all want our cameras to suit our uses. I hope everyone get's theirs too, we just don't want the same cameras apparently.
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bmxdad said:
Maybe PB we should remove the RAW feature, I bet you majority of people is not using it. Yes I know you don't want to use Video, I am not a big fan either, but that does not mean that the video feature is not important. So either Nikon stands back let the other guys move on, with improvements in video or Nikon gets going and make it work, because they could if they wanted.Why are you so against it anyway, I think it could be fun to use, but at present stage the feature would be difficult to use properly
Pete
NIkon didn't think that d-movie would be so important when they brought out the D90. They just add it because at that time somebody said that the EXSPEED processor can handle HD video as well. I am 100% that Nikon is hitting them self on their behind for not doing the same thing what Canon did but It is to late. Maybe Nikon is working on a camera that will surpass Canon on every function but we have to wait and see.
We had video on our p@s cameras for a long time and we didn't complain, why because at that time it wasn't important. A lot of people used it when they forget their video cameras when they went on a short trip. I know I did use it in several occasions when I forget my video camera. I always hate caring two different bags when I go out to a place where I know that I am going to use both of cameras.
SO why not have a DSLR that shoots video as well?
Why do you think that Nikon is compromising the design and money Ted? Video function is a software based so there is not going to be extra weight in our cameras. As far as design goes I don't think that is going to hurt the looks of Nikon by adding an extra button.
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Geez, you people are like Democrats and Republicans talking about Nikon encroaching and messing up photographer's life by implementing a video feature. ohh noes communism , fascism, Marxism, and many other -isms are coming to the photostore near you.
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bmxdad said:
Maybe PB we should remove the RAW feature, I bet you majority of people is not using it. Yes I know you don't want to use Video, I am not a big fan either, but that does not mean that the video feature is not important. So either Nikon stands back let the other guys move on, with improvements in video or Nikon gets going and make it work, because they could if they wanted.Why are you so against it anyway, I think it could be fun to use, but at present stage the feature would be difficult to use properly
Pete
Did you actually read my post? You know, the part where I said, "...still photographers who say that video doesn't matter to people who buy DSLRs are flat out wrong." Guess not though, considering how you responded. Actually, if I had video I would use it on some occasions, but I wouldn't try to make a living from it.
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And you're point Poster ?
this is the beauty of democracy, we can discuss about everything. If you don't like the video in DSLR then don't use it. Leave it for those people who want to use it.
I don't need High ISO and faster frame rates but do you hear me complain. There are some people that need High ISO, faster frame rate etc, etc but on the other hand there are a group of people that want to use video.
Why people are threaten by video mode on their DSLR's? Is there for us to use it. If you don't want to use is then don't. Its simple.
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PB PM said:
Did you actually read my post? You know, the part where I said, "...still photographers who say that video doesn't matter to people who buy DSLRs are flat out wrong." Guess not though, considering how you responded. Actually, if I had video I would use it on some occasions, but I wouldn't try to make a living from it.I am making the leaving from it PB and so other production houses here where I come from. I can say that if you know how to use it it is difficult to tell from any other professional cameras.
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valonqe said:
And you're point Poster ?this is the beauty of democracy, we can discuss about everything. If you don't like the video in DSLR then don't use it. Leave it for those people who want to use it.
I don't need High ISO and faster frame rates but do you hear me complain. There are some people that need High ISO, faster frame rate etc, etc but on the other hand there are a group of people that want to use video.
Why people are threaten by video mode on their DSLR's? Is there for us to use it. If you don't want to use is then don't. Its simple.
My point is that you people are fucking whining too much. I agree with you that the video feature while not really of importance to me is the new marketing gimmick for camera manufacturers. Some love it, some need it, some just don't care. It makes all the economic sense for Nikon to have the video feature, it makes them more competitive against their rivals. They don't want to die, because of their lack of competitiveness. Whether you like it or not, video feature will be in Nikon DSLRs as a standard feature now. So stop your whining about Nikon waisting resources etc. They're are not wasting the money and time to implement this feature. They have to do it to be competitive. It's a necessity now. Therefore it's not waste of time or money.
End of rant. Carry on with your discussion.
PS- Those of you who want the video feature to be implemented faster, how about you let Nikon know about it. Get together and do the "Boston Tea Party" but with your Nikon cameras. You are in the power to make them change, you have the power to support them through buying their products or not. If you don't like them then move on to other company that listens to their customers.
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valonqe said:
I am making the leaving from it PB and so other production houses here where I come from. I can say that if you know how to use it it is difficult to tell from any other professional cameras.Oh I'm sure you can, but I'm not interested in being a professional videographer. I do enjoy shooting video for fun, and I did shoot some video when I had a D90. Video is the only feature I miss from that camera. Next year when I get the D700 replacement I'll take advantage of that feature once again.
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Dear poster, this blog is created to discuss and share ideas on our cameras. To some people it may look that we are whining but to me and to some other is more like a discussion.
I to share all you're points mention above about the video mode on DSLRs but some people find it wast of time for Nikon to bother with D-movie at all, I don't.
But there is nothing we can do people have rights to their opinions. I don't agree with them as well because they are against the video and I need the video on my DSLR.
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