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D3X: First Impressions

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  1. merlewine

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    I finally stopped protesting the price of the D3x, mortgaged a bit of my personal integrity, and shelled out for the new Nikon D3x. I am primarily a macro photographer, and my hope was that a D3x would put me into macro heaven. Here are my impressions.

    My expectations had not prepared me for the actuality of this camera. It is clearly not a camera for all general work, but more one for specialized tasks. It is like a fine sports car, compared to my D700 sedan. And, I don’t know quite how to drive a sports car. That much I realized right away.

    First, it is (as we have been told in the reviews) a light hog. It craves light, thus the lower ISO levels. I had read that, but had not really understood what that means in the real world. They mean it. I am used to HD video cameras and my first impression is that the D3x needs to be treated like we do video cameras, and that is: feed them light. Lighting is everything in video work and the D3x needs that same treatment. You won’t be taking the D3x out on a cloudy day unless you are willing to use very long exposures. And there is no point in having a D3x if your work requires high ISO. The noise crops up fast.

    Lenses. The first thing I did was slap on my Voigtlander APO 125mm f/2.5 Lanthar lens (the most incredible macro lens I own, and I own a lot of them), and see what that looked like. I have read that the D3x separates the men from the boys when it comes to lenses, and this was true from the first shot. It was not that I found any flaws with my Voigtlander 125, which is what I led myself to expect. Rather, it was clear that with the D3x, I am going to have to be a whole lot more careful with focusing from here on in. Again, I realized I had in my hands a special tool, and not an all-purpose camera.

    ISO. Another thing I quickly found out is that I won’t be using Auto ISO on this camera or if I do, it will be more like in the ISO 100-400 range. This was sobering, because with the D700 I am used to just letting that auto ISO take over and I seldom run into noise. Not with the D3X. I immediately turned Auto ISO off and specified ISO 100, which (again) requires me to be a lot more careful than I have been – longer exposures.

    So, to summarize so far: the D3x is like a sports car, something I have always wanted to drive, but I sure am not used to driving one and the ride is more bumpy than my D700. In other words, I have to learn to drive this baby. It won’t drive itself.

    So what do I think so far? Well, I am blown away by the challenge and possibilities of this camera. The ‘blacks’ are just incredible (I am shooting 14-bit, lossless RAW), unlike any camera I have ever had. It could just be my being forced to only use low ISOs. And the ‘reds’ are a new experience – really powerful. I expected to be wowed by the resolution (I am), but not by the color. The color is killer.

    The resolution and focusing clearly will take work on my part to master, just like my Tilt/Shift PC lenses required work in the beginning. But the possibilities of this camera open new and wide vistas in my mind. I can’t wait to get experience with this camera. Buying this was a good decision on my part, although a painful one financially. The richness of color and resolution of the D3x is what I have needed to take full advantage of the kind of close-up nature photography I like to do.

    But I won’t be selling my D700 anytime soon, because these two cameras really are apples and oranges. I need them both, but the D3x already has a special place in my plans and I am willing to take the time to get the incredible photos it clearly can produce. I will learn to drive this sports car. I have never had a camera with as many possibilities for me as the D3x.

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  2. tai

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    Congrats on the D3x! I wish I had one, too. In terms of resolution, the D3X has the same pixel density as the D40x/D60/D200, so for center definition I wouldn't think you would have any problems in general as if a lens can resolve on those cameras it will in that amount of frame on the D3x. Edges are, of course, where things go bad in any case, but for macro work, edge definition isn't much of an issue, at least not for me in general.

    Anyway, when are we going to see samples?

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  3. NSXType-R

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    I thought the D3x was pretty good in the noise area when you compare them with other 20+ megapixel cameras?

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  4. nau

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    all I can say congrats on your sports car...errrr D3x :)

    for now I think I will be driving my D700 : )

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  5. merlewine

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    Well, the D700 is one sweet camera. I have owned the D1x, D100, D200, D300, D700, and now the D3x. Of all of the cameras, the D700 is about as perfect a camera as I can imagine. I just came back from a couple hours with the D3x and I can see I have a lot to learn to master this beast. It is not a slam-dunk like the D700. It bites back and demands that I wake up and learn how to use it. I continue to be impressed with the 'blacks" and color, in general. I am also experimenting with 'Focus Stacking' with the D3x and that will take some work, as well. With the D700, focus stacking works well for me in Lightroom 2/PS CS4. It works with the D3x, but there is a bunch for me to learn about the extreme resolution of this camera across the frame. It is clear there is a window of future for me with the D3x and I like to learn stuff.

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  6. adamz

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    if only the speed in 14bit raw would be better it would be great camera for wildlife photography. anyway, congratulations, and as tai wrote - we are waiting for samples :)

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  7. merlewine

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    Well, samples will have to wait until I learn how to use the camera. There are lots of samples out there that show the resolution, etc. As for 14-bit RAW, I am a naturalist and a macro photographer, but don't shoot wildlife, per se, as in going after them. I store RAW compressed-lossless and seldom shoot many fast-moving targets, so no problem. right now, in my experience with the D3x, it is all about light and lighting, which will keep me busy for a while.

    I did pick up a very cool toy, which is the Flowerpod, a tiny tripod with an articulated arm and clamp, much like the Plamp and McClamp, only much better. You can find it at

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  8. Matstar

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    Great humble appraisal - keep us posted with your findings. I would have never imagined that there was such a big quality (colors & exposure) difference compared the D700 - but on the other hand - you truely do get what you pay for other than the D3x badge!

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  9. heartyfisher

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    @merlewine : Looking forward to future updates from you.. interesting view.. Seems to be contrary to some other reviews esp regarding the High ISO capability. but :-) you may be more of a perfectionist than the other reviewers :-)

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  10. merlewine

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    I am assuming this is a learning curve for me. The reviewers I most trust are Thom Hogan and Bjorn Rorslett. In particular, Rorslett's comments on macro lenses have been the most useful to me. I am aware that ISO 1600 is the cutoff point for some reviewers with the D3x, that is where they switch from the D3x to their D700 or D3 bodies, and I may get there too. Right now, I am being very conservative, and staying at ISO 400 and below.

    To be perfectly honest, right now I can shoot better with my D700 than with the D3x, but the D3x continues to surprise me with promise, and it is that promise I have to follow out for quite a distance to see if I am imagining things. I continue to feel that the D3x is a camera for special work, not something that will do everything. Of course, that is what folks have been saying all along, but seeing is believing.

    Certainly, the D3x is NOT going to let me be sloppy and NOT going to let me go into auto-whatever. If I don't pay close attention, it bites me in the butt every time. I consider that good, at least at this point. Of course, being a macro shooter, I am all manual most of the time, and depend on the histogram to corral me within some limits. I CAN say that the D3x is an exciting camera and a real challenge to use.

    I hope you all understand that I really like this new camera, but right now it is the boss, not me. I am not used to that, but intrigued at the opportunity to really learn. And since I am naturally an impatient type, macro photography has taught me patience and the D3x demands I slow down even more and exercise that patience. Fun. And now to get back out there.

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  11. longzoom

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    Merlewine, I may sign under every word of your initial post. Thats why I am waiting for new fast primes - to use them at 2,0 - 5,6, for speed and less visible dust. So far only two contemporary lenses have passed my test - 14-24 and 300VR - on D3x. Will see.

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  12. longzoom

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    BTW, price on D3X is dropped! Less of $685 in B&H! Good news!

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  13. merlewine

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    LongZoom,

    I would like to know more about your interest in testing lenses on the D3x. Here are lenses I plan to test, at least these are the macro lenses (or PC lenses) I have:

    Micro Voigtlander 125 F/2.5 Macro APO-Lanthar
    Micro-Nikkor 105mm F/2.8 VR Lens
    Micro-Nikkor 60mm f/2.8 D Lens
    Micro-Nikkor 85mm f/2.8 PC Tilt/Shift Lens
    Micro-Nikkor AF 70-180 1:4.5-5.6 D
    Micro-Nikkor AF 200m F/4 ED-IF Macro
    Nikkor Wide Angle PC-E 24mm F/3/5 ED U.S.
    Nikon Nikkor-P 105mm F/4 Macro Bellows Lens
    Nikon Nikkor-P 105mm F/4 Macro Lens

    I am curious if you have tested any of the above?

    Also, I am (among other things) a web-site designer and am considering starting a PHPBB site dedicated to macro nuts like myself. Most of the good URLs are gone, but I did grab MacroSto, which will do. It would be by invite only to post, and those interested would have to show some of their work or indicate their interest. Of course, we would issue all-access passes for masters like Rorslett and Hogan.

    Any interest in that? I would like also to cover all macro equipment, with images, descriptions, sample photos with and without diopters, etc. -- all the things I always wanted to see myself as I was learning, which I still am.

    I love macro photography and some dialog between serious shooters would be fun. What are your thoughts?

    Thanks,

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  14. merlewine

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    LongZoom,

    I am interested if you have checked any of the following macro or PC lenses, which I have on hand:

    Micro Voigtlander 125 F/2.5 Macro APO-Lanthar
    Micro-Nikkor 105mm F/2.8 VR Lens
    Micro-Nikkor 60mm f/2.8 D Lens
    Micro-Nikkor 85mm f/2.8 PC Tilt/Shift Lens
    Micro-Nikkor AF 70-180 1:4.5-5.6 D
    Micro-Nikkor AF 200m F/4 ED-IF Macro
    Nikkor Wide Angle PC-E 24mm F/3/5 ED U.S.
    Nikon Nikkor-P 105mm F/4 Macro Bellows Lens
    Nikon Nikkor-P 105mm F/4 Macro Lens

    Something I have been considering is starting a little BBS web site for macro nuts like myself. I am thinking it would be open to all to read, but by invite only to post, based on an email request describing the particular interest or some sample photos.
    I would like to see sections on equipment, with photos of the equipment, such as what a particular diopter does with a given lens, etc. – stuff I would have liked to see myself and still like to see.
    There could be all kinds of discussion by people who really are interested.

    What are your thoughts? Any interest? I happen to have a bunch of experience building large web sites, although this would be a smallish site as I envision it.

    Any ideas?

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  15. merlewine

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    LongZoom,

    I am interested if you have checked any of the following macro or PC lenses, which I have on hand:

    Micro Voigtlander 125 F/2.5 Macro APO-Lanthar
    Micro-Nikkor 105mm F/2.8 VR Lens
    Micro-Nikkor 60mm f/2.8 D Lens
    Micro-Nikkor 85mm f/2.8 PC Tilt/Shift Lens
    Micro-Nikkor AF 70-180 1:4.5-5.6 D
    Micro-Nikkor AF 200m F/4 ED-IF Macro
    Nikkor Wide Angle PC-E 24mm F/3/5 ED U.S.
    Nikon Nikkor-P 105mm F/4 Macro Bellows Lens
    Nikon Nikkor-P 105mm F/4 Macro Lens

    Something I have been considering is starting a little BBS web site for macro nuts like myself. I am thinking it would be open to all to read, but by invite only to post, based on an email request describing the particular interest or some sample photos.
    I would like to see sections on equipment, with photos of the equipment, such as what a particular diopter does with a given lens, etc. – stuff I would have liked to see myself and still like to see.
    There could be all kinds of discussion by people who really are interested.

    What are your thoughts? Any interest? I happen to have a bunch of experience building large web sites, although this would be a smallish site as I envision it.

    Any ideas?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  16. merlewine

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    LongZoom,

    I am interested if you have checked any of the following macro or PC lenses, which I have on hand:

    Micro Voigtlander 125 F/2.5 Macro APO-Lanthar
    Micro-Nikkor 105mm F/2.8 VR Lens
    Micro-Nikkor 60mm f/2.8 D Lens
    Micro-Nikkor 85mm f/2.8 PC Tilt/Shift Lens
    Micro-Nikkor AF 70-180 1:4.5-5.6 D
    Micro-Nikkor AF 200m F/4 ED-IF Macro
    Nikkor Wide Angle PC-E 24mm F/3/5 ED U.S.
    Nikon Nikkor-P 105mm F/4 Macro Bellows Lens
    Nikon Nikkor-P 105mm F/4 Macro Lens

    Something I have been considering is starting a little BBS web site for macro nuts like myself. I am thinking it would be open to all to read, but by invite only to post, based on an email request describing the particular interest or some sample photos.
    I would like to see sections on equipment, with photos of the equipment, such as what a particular diopter does with a given lens, etc. – stuff I would have liked to see myself and still like to see.
    There could be all kinds of discussion by people who really are interested.

    What are your thoughts? Any interest? I happen to have a bunch of experience building large web sites, although this would be a smallish site as I envision it.

    Any ideas?

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  17. longzoom

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    From what I have on hand in macro dep today, Voigt 125 and ZF 50/2 have passed, as well as 14-24 and 300VR. The rest sre waiting, 24-70 on test now. 70-200 is so-so, will keep it for the next pro DX, say, D400, where it will be stunning. Sorry, have never really tried any of your lenses on D3x,(or have very little experience to speak out.) Your idea about new macro site for nuts is very interesting, should attract some experienced people!. After finishing my last project, I will be glad to participate! Good luck!

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  18. merlewine

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    Have you tried the 17-35 f/2.8 Nikon? How does it compare to the 14-24? I am considering selling my 17-35 and getting the 14-24. Anyone have experience with these on the the D3x?

    Thanks,

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  19. merlewine

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    Can you tell me more about the 14-24 on the DX? Have you compared it to the 17-35 2.8 lens? How does the 17-35 do on the D3x?

    I don’t have the 300VR because I do very little telephoto work and it is expensive. I do have the 70-200 and have never been as happy with it as everyone else seems to be. I use it for club work, sometimes, but mostly the 50mm 1.4 for that kind of shooting. I am interested in what you find with the 24-70, a lens I don’t have.

    I do have the 80-400 VR, but have never liked it. I doubt that it will do well on the D3x. Tell me if you know.

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  20. longzoom

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    14-24 on DX is no difference to FX - amazing, stunning! On FX the lens reaches its max at 4, on DX - already wide open. No more visible differences, at 14 on DX a bit less distortions, thou. Field-of-view is lesser, of course. No direct comparison to 17-35 was done yet, but on D3x this lens (my copy) clearly shows some softness to the edges, at any F and APERT. And yes, the 70-200 is the best on DX. Unfortunately, not so rosy on FX... My copy of 80-400 was really no good at all, sent back to the store and never seen again. I'll inform you what's my copy of 24-70 looks like, in month or so.

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  21. merlewine

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    I made a typo. I meant FX where I wrote DX. I am considering selling my 17-35 and getting the 14-24. YOu say it is great. I have only an old D1x that is DX, and don't plan to have any more of that size. Yes, I should sell my 80-400 VR. I never use it and when I do, I am not happy with it.

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  22. longzoom

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    My 17-35 is very usable, weddings and such. 14-24 is the best lens of this kind in the world, but they are not a substitute to each other. You have to take it into your account! You will need both! Think twice! THX. Dimitri.

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  23. merlewine

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    OK. I hear you. That is what I wondered. Thanks for pointing that

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  24. merlewine

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    Ok. I get it. That is what I was asking. I will keep my 17-35 and sell my 80-400 VR. Thanks for pointing that out.

    Appreciated!

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  25. merlewine

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    Ok. I get it. That is what I was asking. I will keep my 17-35 and sell my 80-400 VR. Thanks for pointing that out.

    Appreciated!

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