One interesting thing about the D3S that I have not seen discussed is the new 1.2x crop in the D3S. So when do you think new nikon cameras with the new 1.2 X crop will be apearing? maybe the D900? or D7000?
So when do you think there will be a new crop of nikons?
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Posted 3 years ago #
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I'd doubt it. Reminds me too much of Canon's 1D series, which don't have any good wide-angles.
I think 1.2x will be available on FX bodies "just-in-case" you need extra tele. If you put a wideangle on, easy enough to switch to FX again. On a 1D the widest lens you can use is a 14mm, which becomes an equivalent of...[calculator opening]...18mm.
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maybe the 1.2 crop will be the new DXXX level cameras? could work.. DX level for consumer, DC(?Crop) for semi pro, FX for PRO.
so the DC format will have the generic highish ISO and Highish MP and the FX will have 2 streams, High MP and High ISO streams.
Posted 3 years ago # -
And a whole new line of lenses?! Are you crazy?! :^P
Posted 3 years ago # -
Yeah I would HATE to have yet another crop mode! Unless it was for a compact EVIL rangefinder like camera :^) But it would still be bad to introduce new image crop of lenses!!!
Posted 3 years ago # -
lol you guys are so conservative !
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Conservative?! I'm the guy who likes the S1000PJ, Swivel screens, HD video, EVFs and the Ricoh GXR 1!
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Exactly. The conservative guy would be me :^D
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the 1.2 crop is about halfway between the FX and DX. So, You can probably use many of the DX lenses at most focal lengths(zoom) and all the FX lenses. Best of both worlds!
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If this doesn't cost them nothing to add it - as it's based on software only, than why shouldn't we use it. I like this idea, that one day with my d4 and 600/4 I'll be able to make it just a little bit longer :) - just in case
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If this doesn't cost them nothing to add it - as it's based on software only, than why shouldn't we use it. I like this idea, that one day with my d4 and 600/4 I'll be able to make it just a little bit longer :) - just in case
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double the negative. double the post.
Posted 3 years ago # -
I used to hear strange rumors regarding Nikon designing a possible removal of the mirror in their current DSLRs. Can you imagine? I have heard all kinds of crazy stuff about the new D4 MX format, different sensors, no mirrors which would require all new lenses. Not to mention all the weird patents (changes in Optics, micro thirds, medium format designs) that have surfaced from Nikon placed all over the internet. One would have to believe Nikon has almost reached its limit with the D line by the end of this year no?
How about making some nice F4 VR lenses like Canon has in their lineup? ^^
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canon guys have various sensor crops to choose from in their camera line up and they HATE IT! Many were very disappointed in the 1.3X crop of the new 1DMk4. Enough that they switched to Nikon, or at least cried about doing so. If Nikon were to do this 1.2X crop via software wouldn't that be like digital zoom? Image quality would suffer.
kanuck the D3 was "rumored" to be interchangeable too at one point. Prototype D3s were "seen" being tested etc., etc. Nikon MX and or a digital rangefinder were suppose to be announced at a "BIG EVENT" at PMA 2009 but that just turned out to be a "free" concert by the band "Blues Traveler". Don't always believe what the internet tells you! :^(
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NikoDoby said:
If Nikon were to do this 1.2X crop via software wouldn't that be like digital zoom? Image quality would suffer.Yeah, the only reason I would see it to be useful was if a faster FPS was available when using it, like 10 over 9. Otherwise I'll choose to do the cropping later in software.
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Ah yes I forgot about that rumor about the digital Nikon rangefinder wouldn't that be something? Wow..Point taken though you have to learn to ignore a lot of the internet hype and just wait until huge events like the PMA or mid summer, early fall or end of the year for real Nikon products to be released. Would you agree that Nikon's D series bodies are reaching an end of their production line? I saw that Evil body description looks interesting!
Posted 3 years ago # -
I agree with you guys.. but let me make the argument for the 1.2 crop cameras.
Price wise it should be about 1/3 way between the d300s and the D3S ie about halfway between the D300S and the D700. Note that the prices of these cameras will be getting lower as well. Having the 1.2 camera in between would allow the D700 style camera to have more features and keep its price point higher.(D900?)
so imagine a D300S style camera with capabilities between the current D700 and current D3S for $1800? It can use all of the DX lenses with slight vignetting and all the FX lenses. stick the 24-70 (28-85) on it and the old 70-200(85-240) !! what a kit that would make !!!
With regard to DX lenses You can of course have the old DX crop mode in these cameras if you wanted.
Say the new 1.2 crop camera is a bit over 12MP then the dx crop in this camera would be a bit under 10mp, still very useful!
If they up the MP a bit to say 14.5MP then the DX crop is about 12MP. I would use that !! esp with higher FPS.And don't forget it will probably have 720p and 1080p at 24,30,50 and 60 fps !! LOL
PS:Oh wow I just realised the 35 1.8 DX on the 1.2 crop will have the FOV of 42mm !! My fav normal focal length!! ok nikon make this 1.2 crop camera I am getting one !!
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heartyfisher said:PS:Oh wow I just realised the 35 1.8 DX on the 1.2 crop will have the FOV of 42mm !! My fav normal focal length!! ok nikon make this 1.2 crop camera I am getting one !!
I hope you like vignetting as well :).
Software crop modes seem kind of odd to me unless they result in higher FPS. I suppose if you know exactly how much you will crop in the future it will help your framing, but other than that, what's the point, if the aspect ratio stays the same? I can understand a 5:4 or square crop mode, again, to help the framing.
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:-) but i noticed in the previous reviews that it vignettes on fx but would be acceptable within the 1.2 crop... :-) below is the picture from dp review showing the vignette in fx and the dx crop. the 1.2 crop would be acceptable. Many DX lenses would have acceptable vignette in the 1.2crop. (Would love my 12-24dx in a 1.2 crop camera!! yum! 14-28 zoom!)
Posted 3 years ago # -
Can somebody draw a 1.2x crop on that? I'm too lazy this morning to figure out how to do it...
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Does the D3s take a hit in terms of megapixels when it goes to 1.2 crop mode? It probably does right?
Doesn't seem very useful for me- it's too expensive anyway. :D
But hey, if it seems useful to HeartyFisher, then I guess there is a market for it? Birders may like it- a slight crop, useful for range extension.
Posted 3 years ago # -
Thank's Jonny :^)
Doesn't look bad at all to me. Doesn't look great, but I don't think it looks terrible either.
NSXType-R said:
Does the D3s take a hit in terms of megapixels when it goes to 1.2 crop mode? It probably does right?Yeah, I think it goes down to 8 megapixels.
I'm going to say it again:
What's the Point?
You give up megapixels for what? Nothing. If you want the extra range then crop it later, when you can actually make more intelligent decisions about what you want cropped in and what you want cropped out.
DX crop makes sense to me because at least you get a higher FPS. But with the 1.2x you don't get anything.
Posted 3 years ago # -
On FX cameras the 1.2 crop gives you the ability to use DX lenses without loosing too many MP, 8.4 vs 5MP DX.
Anyway, that is not the point of this thread... which is about 1.2 crop sensor cameras... lets call them RX cameras...(R being between F and D on my keyboard :-))
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