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Better Investment: Lenses or Bodies

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  1. jablko

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    If you're taking at least one photography class, you can have your equipment costs included in student loans. If you haven't maxed out your subsidized student loan amount, that's a great option to buy now and pay when you're actually making money. However, it wouldn't make sense to use unsubsidized student loans for that purpose, as the interest would make the equipment cost much more by the time you graduate.

    File your FAFSA then talk to the financial aid department at your school.

    I'd also recommend students talk to the marketing/PR people at whatever college or university they attend and ask if they're looking for a student photographer. Most schools hire student to cover events for them (and if you can write in AP style, all the better). They'll probably have equipment for you to use that you might not be able to afford on your own. Even if they don't though, it's an invaluable resume and portfolio building opportunity.

    At a larger university, each area of campus might have its own PR/marketing people, so you can ask around in each area. At a smaller college, those functions will probably be centralized in one department. Regardless, make sure to bring a portfolio and resume whenever you ask about jobs. I work for the Marketing Communications department at a small college, and we are always on the lookout for talented student workers, but I'm also often surprised by just how little they know about how to find a job.

    As for the original question, lenses won't only last longer, I think they will have more effect on the images you create than bodies; however, that can also depend on what type of shots you want. I shoot a lot of events for work with my personal (and hopefully soon-to-be replaced) D5000, which I bought as a starter so I could afford good glass. My more experienced coworker shoots with the office D300s, which he invariably pairs with a slow lens and a good flash. I won't deny his studio portraiture is better than mine, but my event and sports images are better than his because I've built a collection of f/1.4 primes and f/2.8 zooms over the last couple years.

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  2. bjrichus

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    You know what?

    Working at a uni myself, this year, we started to use the Journo and art students to do more assignment work than ever before. It gives them much more 'real-world' experience as the student newspaper has deadlines four days a week as do the TV and radio stations every single day.

    Almost none of the kids we have on our 'assignment list' use Nikon! This is good news for me as the line we had last year for the fast glass doesn't exist this year :) We have one outstanding girl that uses a Sony she is really good at capturing emotion and action - like in union meetings when people are shouting and waving hands and stuff.

    A good camera maker like Nikon, will have lenses that will work with several generations of camera bodies. With only a 2 to 4 year life cycle for the bodies now that reinforces the value of good glass that doesn't cost quite so much in the long run.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. Believe

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    For me? I believe in lenses. Fast glass.

    I took a note from reading about Ansel Adams some years back and it made sense to me. He said, all other things being equal, the lens is the most important. If it does not get through the glass, you'll never see it on the image.

    As an example, I bought the Nikon 70-200mm ED VR II f/2.8 early in 2012. Fast glass. In the middle of shooting a season of local baseball, I could suddenly see very detailed fine dust/dirt particles in my images just as my eye did as the players moved or from the catchers glove. Others were just as amazed at the 'new' images.

    Before that I was using an f/4.5 Nikon zoom/tele. Both good lenses, but the VR II f2/8 internal zoom was better from all my reading and seeing it could be f/2.8 through its focal range was something to be said.

    I've the same experience with my Micro Nikkor 60mm and two other very good lenses.

    Fast glass rules for me as I love hearing people's breath being taken in at the sight of my pictures. :-) It just makes a good camera better.

    I'll get a new body in 2013. My investments in glass that I have made will only improve even more then.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  4. msmoto

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    Probably important to understand, Ansel Adams lived in a time which was technologically limited. No digital, no computers capable of what we can do today, and most important, his passion was the landscape. While his images are the highest form of photographic art, he made little attempt to photograph people.

    If one is a "paparazzi" and is interested in recording life, then the camera's capabilities become very important. The high ISO, rapid frame rates, rapid interchangeability of lenses, and portability of the camera body are in some cases critical. So, in one senses asking which is more important is like asking which is more important in the car...the engine or the transmission....

    Just a few thoughts to encourage more comments :-)

    Posted 7 months ago #
  5. sevencrossing

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    msmoto said:
    Probably important to understand, Ansel Adams lived in a time which was technologically limited. ........ he made little attempt to photograph people.......Just a few thoughts to encourage more comments :-)

    Do look up his portaits of Albert Bender, Georgia O'Keeffe & Orville Cox, Robinson Jeffers, Mary Austin, Beaumont Newhall, Cedric Wright, Alfred Stieglitz and Edward Weston

    Posted 7 months ago #
  6. msmoto

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    sevencrossing said:
    Do look up his portaits of Albert Bender, Georgia O'Keeffe & Orville Cox, Robinson Jeffers, Mary Austin, Beaumont Newhall, Cedric Wright, Alfred Stieglitz and Edward Weston

    Yes, I have mispoken....what I meant to say, was, his landscapes generally did not include people....and I believe this was quite intentional in sharing the scene as he saw it. It was to my understanding, the importance in his work was on the natural resources in the landscapes and the portraits he did snap were of far less importance. This is only my understanding and I could be in error here as well. But my knowledge is based on discussions from years ago..

    Thanks sevencrossing..

    Posted 7 months ago #
  7. sevencrossing

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    AA is indeed famous for his landscapes but early in his career, he could not support his family, solely with his creative work. Like many "creative " photographers he did "commercial" photography and like most commercial photographers, he took whatever work he could get and that included portraiture, see Ansel Adams an Autobiography

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  8. tcole1983

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    Hmmm my ratio of lens money to body money at this point is about 10:1 and if I ever upgrade my body will be around 4:1...so sticking with lenses here. Now you still have to keep up with the lately technology I think. Several generation newer bodies can do wonder for picture quality from what I have seen, but at the same time putting junky glass on an expensive body seems like a moot point also.

    But now for years to come I can still use my glass I have invested in already...and my body is already out of date and needs (or I want to) upgrading.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  9. bjrichus

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    tcole1983 said:
    Hmmm my ratio of lens money to body money at this point is about 10:1 and if I ever upgrade my body will be around 4:1...so sticking with lenses here. Now you still have to keep up with the lately technology I think. Several generation newer bodies can do wonder for picture quality from what I have seen, but at the same time putting junky glass on an expensive body seems like a moot point also.

    But now for years to come I can still use my glass I have invested in already...and my body is already out of date and needs (or I want to) upgrading.

    I am with you as far as my own personal purchases go, tcole.

    Only problem for me, is that my money doesn't go as far as my eyes tell me it needs to ;-)

    Posted 7 months ago #
  10. R8R

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    Awhile back DigitalRev did a vid about bad glass on a good body vs good glass on a bad body. Short verdict was good glass always wins.

    I would tend to agree.

    I would also add, GOOD LIGHT and good glass can produce fantastic results even on the older, less capable bodies. A decent lens and the right light with even a lowly body like a D40 can make some stunning images.

    Posted 7 months ago #

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