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Well done Nikon, They were watching this forum and listened to our comments . Not only that, they have put a few nice extra touches on it too. I for one will swapping my V1 for a V2 when they become available in November
Its nice when a plan comes together . Well done Nikon Rumours Members, even if we just had a small part in getting it right!
Anybody want to buy a V1 Body only?
Yes, one of our members sent me an email which stated
"The new Nikon V2 nailed my improvement suggestions."
are we talking about the same camera PaulR - IMHO, it's a shoot in the knee for Nikon. sure some improvements are nice: integrated flash, 14 MPX, better grip but... look at it. V1 wasn't the most beautiful camera on the market and V2 is simply ugly and at least from the pictures it looks BIG comparing to V1 not to mention the price tag, which is approximately $400 more than it should be.
It is a bit expensive and the lenses are currently not there although they have been announced as in development. I do think however, this is what the V1 should have been all along. I do think the price is steep but as we saw in the V1, prices should drop relatively quickly.
I used to sell cameras... until i took an arrow to the knee.
yeah anyways,
the only downside i see is that it looks pretty ugly
Maybe the V3 will be less of a bomb?
(V1 and V2 were Nazi missiles/bombs in WWII).
Maybe the looks of the V3 will be a little bit less like a lego brick construction smooshed on top of a NEX-like body shape?
I'd like to see the IQ of the V2. Is it better than/worse than a D3100 and if so, by how much and using what aspects of IQ as the measure?
When I looked yesterday, the sample images were low size/resolution web images, and not "real" images, captured from the camera itself.
@bjrichus - I would love to see a regular hotshoe with full CLS support on V3
adamz said:
IMHO, it's a shoot in the knee for Nikon. sure some improvements........
Agree....Nikon is fooling themselves if they think they are going to compete with the APS-C cameras which are far more attractive and will out resolve this thing like it has a Coke bottle lens. For the price they are charging...and it does not appear to be a pocket camera anymore.....
Well, maybe this is something someone wants. But, the real deal is in the larger sensor, superb resolution, hi ISO like a Fuji X Pro-1.
And, i really do not think Nikon is going to be caught without an APS-C mirrorless Pro-sumer body. It can use all the DX and FX lenses...
Oh well, wishful thinking.....
Wow, lets see what the V2 performs like before talking about V3s. I use a Nikon V camera because its light and the crop factor works with long focal lenses.its reach, helps the gap with full frame cameras when using a 200/300 primes .It may not be the best looking camera but the V1 needed a flash. All the problems the V1 had like the menu switch, loosing the cover for the flash have been sorted. we needed an increase in megalpixels and Nikon have sorted that out too I not bothered how it looks as long as it gets the right results.
I intend to sell just the body and keep all the rest, Prices will drop on the V2 and I am looking at the diffence between the two cameras net cost to change.
I'm only talking about the V3 because the "1" range seems to be evolving and if the IQ is also evolving at the same rate too, then it probably won't be until the V3 (maybe even the V4 - late 2013 or into 2014 at the earliest) that it'll likely get up to the lowest point that I (and I am speaking personally [for me alone] you may feel differently) want to get involved in buying and using one of these.
I am sure the V1 (and V2) are smaller, lighter, easier to carry, less obtrusive and so on than the D4 that I used on my last pro job, but that is all really quite beside the point, as compared to the DSLR flagship gear of TODAY and possibly even entry level DSLRs, they seem to suck. I'm not being insulting to you or any other "1" owner, as they are just not aimed at the same person or uses. Simple. Give it another generation or two and they might begin to come close, which would make then interesting to me and then we'll see.
Well bjrichus
On a Mac the delete key is the 2nd one down from the top on the RHS,
Quote," I'm not being insulting to you or any other "1" owner, as they are just not aimed at the same person or uses".
You can own more than 1 camera, bjrichus,
Like you, I am a full time pro photographer of nearly 50 years standing. Every camera as its place, I love my D3X but I also Like my V1, soon to become a V2, Technology moves at such a pace,The only major problem I find is, that when you have to crop an image then print to A1 size, that's where you see the difference
The V system with the FT1 adapter helps get those long shots without having to spend very serious money on long range telephoto lenses,with its , so I find it does fit in with professional uses
You guys are forgetting the price- it's $900! That's with kit lens, but still, at $900 I could get a D3200 with kit lens for $650 and probably throw in a 35mm 1.8 too and still have money left over for some nice accessories.
I really like the PASM dial- that was our biggest complaint, but this is not priced competitively. There are older M4/3 bundles with kit lens that would easily sell for $300. Yes it is an older less capable system, but do you think the average point and shoot user is going to care?
Honestly, styling wise it looks like a Coolpix P510 with a mount. Bubbly and not great looking. I'm sure it has great image quality, but what were they thinking?
NSXType-R said:
You guys are forgetting the price- it's $900! That's with kit lens, but still, at $900 I could get a D3200 with kit lens for $650 and probably throw in a 35mm 1.8 too and still have money left over for some nice accessories.I really like the PASM dial- that was our biggest complaint, but this is not priced competitively. There are older M4/3 bundles with kit lens that would easily sell for $300. Yes it is an older less capable system, but do you think the average point and shoot user is going to care?
Honestly, styling wise it looks like a Coolpix P510 with a mount. Bubbly and not great looking. I'm sure it has great image quality, but what were they thinking?
I agree.
The price appears to be way too high for what appears to be "just another", not quite enough megapixel CSC (14MP is just too low than where the present market seems to be) with an IQ yet to be determined.
Leaving everything else to one side, it has to blast away at D7000 image quality levels - being "as good as" a D3100 or even a D5100 is just not going to cut it.
PaulR said:
Well bjrichus
On a Mac the delete key is the 2nd one down from the top on the RHS,Quote," I'm not being insulting to you or any other "1" owner, as they are just not aimed at the same person or uses".
You can own more than 1 camera, bjrichus,
I did a reply by mistake, not an edit to a posting - and while our moderators have deleted it (thanks), that option is still not available to the author of a message here. I own four cameras at the moment, and have access to a "loaner" stock at work of about a dozen different designs, makes and type.
My point about not insulting anyone is that some folk get very angry if you suggest their treasured purchase is anything other than wonderful. As one of those who was very vocal and derisory about the V1/J1, I don't want anything thinking that I am insulting THEM, I am expressing my views of the camera. The V2 appears to be better, but still is not quite enough on paper at least, hence my comment that the V3 (or perhaps even the V4) might be.
PaulR said:
Like you, I am a full time pro photographer of nearly 50 years standing. Every camera as its place, I love my D3X but I also Like my V1, soon to become a V2, Technology moves at such a pace,The only major problem I find is, that when you have to crop an image then print to A1 size, that's where you see the difference
The V system with the FT1 adapter helps get those long shots without having to spend very serious money on long range telephoto lenses,with its , so I find it does fit in with professional uses
"A1" size. Man - that's a paper size I have not come across since before I emigrated from Europe over a decade ago. ;-)
What you say about large size printing is true. I have done pics that have hung in 2 story high hallways and posters on the outside of buildings. Of course, once you get above about 60" the dot pitch can get bigger as the viewer is (mostly) further away.
Strange camera design, but it does have better controls than the V1. Having tested a Nikon 1 series camera, the only useful purpose I could find for it was video. In fact it was one of the best compact video devices I've ever used, even compared to M4/3s cameras I tested. The AF is actually usable in video mode, vary camcorder like in functionality.
bjrichus said:
I agree.The price appears to be way too high for what appears to be "just another", not quite enough megapixel CSC (14MP is just too low than where the present market seems to be) with an IQ yet to be determined.
Leaving everything else to one side, it has to blast away at D7000 image quality levels - being "as good as" a D3100 or even a D5100 is just not going to cut it.
I agree- at that point, why not pick up a D7000 if I have existing lenses? Sure it'll be much bigger than any V/J system, but I already have great lenses for DX.
It's funny that Canon and Nikon both screwed up their mirrorless options. It's like they sort of don't care about their small sensored cameras and went all FX.
On the other hand, Nikon seems to be doing better than Canon in terms of mirrorless, but that's like saying losing an arm is better than losing a leg.
El_Pickerel said:
It'll just get weirder when they make the next version, as the V3 was a nazi Canon...
I didn't even know they had that sort of weapon. Interesting...
is it only me over here that wants a small pro body with the ability to change lenses. no matter how small D3200/D7000/D5100 cameras are they are TOO BIG comparing to small mirrorless (v1). I also want a good price tag. V2 is not a professional level camera right now so $900 is way too much for a better coolpix. as for the size of v2 vs v1, I've came across a page where both of them are position next to each other and v2 looks smaller, though due to the hand grip is not as pocketable as the v1 - certainly it's more NEX design.
I was able to pick up an Olympus Pen E-PL2 for $200 from Ritz Photo on the last day..... While it has the micro 4/3rds sensor, it does a remarkable job and one can use other lenses. If we had the same thing with an APS-C sensor...
The problem seems to come in the optics...almost any lens is huge if it has any speed or length.
But, we will see if Nikon is going to come through with a pro level camera which accepts "F" mount lenses, in a mirrorless body.
bjrichus said:
Exactly what Thom Hogan has said all this month (it's "DX month" on his site).
Yup, I read his site too.
msmoto said:
I was able to pick up an Olympus Pen E-PL2 for $200 from Ritz Photo on the last day..... While it has the micro 4/3rds sensor, it does a remarkable job and one can use other lenses. If we had the same thing with an APS-C sensor...The problem seems to come in the optics...almost any lens is huge if it has any speed or length.
But, we will see if Nikon is going to come through with a pro level camera which accepts "F" mount lenses, in a mirrorless body.
See! That's what I mean! You can't compete with a similar style camera when you're $700 more expensive.
It seems to me GoPro is the only one that has figured out the market for small cameras. I just can't understand how Nikon and Canon are high centered on these types of cameras.
Now lets see some REAL arguments going here...
Over on the main blog the item titled "Nikon 1 V2: What others are saying".
The likes of Gizmodo and Petapixel are obviously unimpressed although as ever, CNET and Engadget (always seek to like anything with one button or dial as the staffers there cannot cope with anything more complex) are less than wonderfully enthusiastic.
Then we get this:
"Yes, it looks like a Sony NEX with mumps" /dpreview
"...all I can think of is the overhanging nose of an elephant seal" /Imaging Resource
OUCH!
A more "balanced" perspective:
"All that is a step in the right direction, yet somehow Nikon's managed to make the V2 look a bit like a bridge camera from about five years ago. It's all boxy lines and angles and, while it's small, its exterior aesthetic still doesn't get us excited" /Pocket Lint
So this cannot be the reaction that Nikon were hoping for, is it?
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