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D300 too much for newbie?

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  1. KG

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    Greetings,

    Still shopping for my first DSLR and I'm considering the D300 and the D90. I've seen advice in many forums saying that the D90 is better for beginners because the D300 is too complicated. So what makes it so complicated? I have a degree in electrical engineering, write software for a living, built a swing set for my kids from scratch, remodeled my entire kitchen, make my own pizza dough, can drive a standard transmission, and can tie my own shoes. Am I too dumb for a D300?

    In case you're wondering, the things drawing me to the D300 instead of the are the AF micro adjust, more robust construction, and better high-iso performance.

    Thanks.

    P.S. I don't have any experience with film SLRs either.

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  2. mb

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    D300 is not more complicated than D90, and if that was my concern I would certainly go for D5000.
    Neither of these cameras has significant advantage at high ISO, they are all pretty much the same.
    To be honest with you, if this is your first SLR camera, I am not sure that you will have any use of AF micro adjust that D300 has.
    D300 is certainly more robust than D90 or D5000, but if you never used SLR camera before and if you are not using your camera on a daily basis you should probably reconsider and go for D5000 instead. In a year or two when you mature and learn a bit you will have much better choice of semipro cameras to choose from.

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  3. adamz

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    KG - the first and probably the most important question is how big is Your budget; if You have enough cash for a good lens + body than go for d300, and You wouldn't be disappointed, also the other question is what kind of photography You prefer: portrait, landscape, wildlife, kids. Please write more, as only then we will be able to really help You.

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  4. KG

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    Just because I've never used an SLR ... means I don't want the sharpest focus available from my equipment?

    "if you are not using your camera on a daily basis you should probably reconsider and go for D5000 instead. In a year or two when you mature and learn a bit you will have much better choice of semipro cameras to choose from."

    This is the kind of generalized nonsense I'm talking about. Why?!?!?

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    Well first the D90's ISO performance is the same if not slightly better than the D300's. Being in electronics I don't have to tell you that each generation of chips that come out generally at least slightly better outperform the previous ones. The D90's sensor is almost the same as the D300's but it's a newer one designed for the D90.

    Now onto your questions; For starters have you ever used a DSLR before? If not than a D300 can be a bit daunting even for the most intelligent of us. There is no mode dial and no auto mode. You will shoot in A, P S, or M, those are your choices. Then you must decide how to set what autofocus situation you would like to use. Do you want 9, 11, 21, 51 or 51 points with 3D tracking? Do you wan AF-C priority selection release, AF-S priority selection focus, Focus tracking with lock on, focus point wrap around, etc etc. That's just the autofocus system and not even quite all of it. You can fine tune optimum exposure, tell the shutter release button AE-L what to do.

    There are numerous other tweaks in the D300 that one might find overwhelming just because they're there. As for the D90, the important things in the picture controls are still the same. You can select and fine tune your vivid modes and saturate to taste just like in the D300 (in my opinion the D90 may do these just a tad bit better). The Active D-Lighting has two extra settings one of which is auto.

    The D300 is built like a tank, better than the D90. Will you really be banging it around all the time? It has a mode dial and an auto mode just in case you hand it over to a significant other or whomever. My advice would be to learn on a D90 then once you're comfortable, the D400 may be out by that time which would either a). give you a bit more or b). bring the D300 down in price even more.

    Incidentally I own a D300 and have just ordered a D90.

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  6. adamz

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    KG - if You want to go for the sharpest focus, the thing You should care most are the lenses, as gentoo will probably disagree with me, there's not a huge difference between pictures taken on d40, d90, d300 or even the great d3 - this what matters the most is the lens, buy a cheaper camera and add a better lens and You will get better results than with the opposite way (expensive body + cheaper lens). as for the handling I also disagree with gentoo, You don't need any special themes to shoot great pictures, just learn a basic stuff about how depth of field (DOF) works and when You set Your camera on P mode (which even the most professional cameras like D3 have) You can take Your pictures and doesn't care about all the other aspects, and with just a one turn of a wheel You will be able to decide either You want a shallow DOF (used for portraits) or very deep one (used for landscapes).
    If my budget would be unlimited, I'll go for d300 as it's simply a better camera than d90 in almost all aspects (handling, AF, construction) - the d90 might have a better image quality (IQ) but trust me, unless You perform some special tests You wouldn't be able to see it. Moreover, using a cheap lens You wouldn't be able to see a difference between pictures taken on d40 and on d3 (shooting on based ISO). So once again, tell us what is Your budget, and for sure we gonna suggest You the best what's available for the money You want to spend.

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  7. heartyfisher

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    @ KG : "This is the kind of generalized nonsense I'm talking about. Why?!?!? " LOL .. This is a forum .. What do you expect .. a Thesis on the reasons a technically astute person with no SLR expertise should get a advanced amateur camera or a low end professional camera?

    Look you yourself have not provided enough details on the kind of photographer you hope to be and your budget and other photographic experience. (bet you have a Point and shoot but which one?) Being a programmer you should know .. garbage in garbage out! LOL

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    Well, if you're willing to read the manual, the D300 or the D90 isn't going to be an issue.

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  9. nau

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    D90, spend your money on glass (lenses) in a future if you get in to it you can get new body d400 /cough : )

    d300 great entry lvl pro camera question is do you really need it if you are asking questions d90 or d300?

    d90 got a lot more preset modes (acclimatisation if you wish) and still gives you option of manual work

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    "Am I too dumb for a D300?" By the sounds of it, No. I'd therefore have to ask if you are passionate enough for a D300. Given Gentoo's great explanation of the growth options to be found on a D300, I'd say the D300 would be a great place to start (and possibly stay) should you want to invest time and $$$ into the glass and learning process. Learning how to master a cameras will take time as much as it will take intelligence.

    I thought long and hard about getting a D300 too, but in the end, I bought a D90 on this past Sunday. I chose the D90 over the D300 based upon price, size, and ease of adoption. I think it slightly easier learning curve & I can grow into it and later on find out about weather or not I'm passionate about photography to upgrade to the next level. The D90 appears to be a great camera for aggressive growth ability. I've put close to 1.5 months into researching my options. Why, well I have a limited budget, plus I wanted to see if I was going to stick around for a while and "get into it" or if this was just another one of my latest and greatest fads I was getting into. Part of my decision process included holding the D300 & and D90 and imagining weather or not I was up to carrying around several lbs. worth of expensive equipment with me. Not that the D300 is a beast of a camera (although it is built like a tank, eh, Gentoo), but I did think about the inconvenience factor of having a large SLR camera with me when I wanted to take pictures. I don't (yet) get paid to carry my camera or take pictures. For me, it a new hobby to enjoy.

    The "body vs. glass" debate is interesting b/c each and every person will factor equipment into different roles for producing a worthy picture. Some say it's body, others say glass. In the end, if I or my wife don't know what the heck we're doing with a camera to manipulate that worthy picture, we may find ourselves unsatisfied with the results.

    - KG, are you going to be the only person in the family using this camera? I so, go ahead and get the D300 and some great lenses while you're at it. Otherwise, you may want to factor in the learning abilities of the other parties that may be involved in the picture taking process. (I know my wife would be a bit intimidated by a D90 or a D300)

    All else, if you buy a D300 and some nice lenses and decide you're really not into photography, you're always welcome to sell the lenses back here on Nikon Rumors in the "Equipment for Sale" sub-forum.

    Best of luck to ya!

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  11. KG

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    Gentoo, thanks for your reply. That is exactly the kind of detailed information I'm looking for. While I don't think I would use the scene modes much, the full auto option would be nice and would improve the WAF (wife acceptance factor). How does P mode (Programmed Auto) differ from say the full auto setting on D90?

    Having a more rugged body would be nice since I tend to bang thing around more than I should.
    I've compared IQ on D90 and D300 shots, and I personally like the D300 higher ISO better, but that's just me, and it's not enough to sway me one way or the other.

    I don't really want to get into the mode of buying a camera, "maturing" and then selling and spending more money. That's like trading in a perfectly good car for a new one and a higher payment!

    Budget is in the $1000-2000 range. Thus, the interest in D90 and D300. I'm not looking for advice on how to spend it, I'm looking for specifics related to technical aspects of D90 v D300 so I can make an informed decision. Lens choices are outside the scope of this question.

    I hope to be the best damn photographer I can be. I expect to take pictures of everything or anything. Isn't that what photographers do? It will be a journey of enlightenment and adventure and self-discovery and discovery of others.

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    well KG if you can afford either one and lenses are not an issue here, then get the D300. It does have a superior autofocus system and a better build quality. The D90 does video but it sucks at it.

    The P mode will work fine most of the time as it's "almost" an auto mode.

    As for technical aspects, they're almost the same internally. The D300 will be compatible with more lenses so you won't be as restricted, not the D90 is very restrictive. With the D300 you have dedicated buttons for ISO, whaite balance and a few others. the D90 shares these button but you probably won't care much.

    The picture controls are almost the same between the two and you can customize how you want your colors to look and everything which I've always said is a matter of personal preference.

    As far as being the best photographer you can be; I will be honest with you. The others on this site have said that practice is the best thing you can do. They are right, you will need practice and a lot of it! As far as your tools not mattering, that's true to a point. Your skill is vital regardless what camera you're using. However you cannot get nicely saturated colors or the benefits of Active D-Lighting from a generation 1 Nikon regardless of your skill because those cameras simply can't produce them, practice will hone your skills for sure but cannot add a feature that's not there.

    Whatever camera you decide to get they are both great choices and if you need it I will be more than glad to help you out.

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    "I hope to be the best damn photographer I can be. I expect to take pictures of everything or anything. Isn't that what photographers do?" - nope, that's how it works at the beginning, then You realize what kind of pictures You like more, and what kind You like less. there is no one camera on the market that suits all the needs of photographer, it is always a choice between some factors that make the camera best suited for Your kind of photography.

    as for choosing between d90 and d300, if You are unsure, go for d90 - it's a great camera, and if You really care about Your wife, You will have some extra cash left to buy her a ring or a nice necklace (work all the time with my wife :) when I'm buying new equipment, and it boosts WAF a lot, not to mention other benefits :)).

    as for the "P" mode, it allows You to choose from a different combinations of aperture (A) and shutter speed (S), ie. 2.8/5000 [A/S] is equal to 8/640, in the first one You will have a blurred background as the DOF is very shallow, in the second one the background will be more visible but You wouldn't be able to capture fast movement.
    also one more factor is the size of equipment - there is a difference both in external dimension and weight of those two cameras.
    anyway both cameras are great, and either one You buy You will be happy, the menu is quite similar on both of them, the IQ is almost the same (according to some tests the IQ from d90 is slightly better)

    gentoo - maybe we should have a duel between the 1st gen and 2nd gen cameras :), as I totally disagree with You, that You are unable to produce nicely saturated colors on a so called 1st gen cameras, are You in? if so choose the subject :)

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    KG, if you feel that you have a strong possibility of being infected by the photography virus, then I would strongly advise you to avoid all entry-level cameras. As I am not technically challenged (I do "love" those challenged phrases :D) and I have a strong case of the photography virus, I regretted purchasing the D40x in about 1-2 months from purchasing it. It lacks several things that even the D80 had. For me the most important ones missing are: mirror lockup, DoF preview, AF motor, bracketing, some more focusing points.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but one advantage the D300 has over the D90 is metering with manual lenses (like the Lensbaby Composer).

    If you can afford the D300 with a proper (not pro) lens, then go for it. The only negative side of this might be some embarrassing moments when someone finds out that you have a semi-pro or whatever one might call the D300 and still some gaps in basic photography knowledge but I don't think that you will encounter many of those.

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    I think Monty's right on the money saying you can easily find yourself regretting an entry-level camera, but the the difference between the D90 and D300 isn't that huge. To me, and it seems to Monty as well, the D300's ability to meter with MF lenses is a big plus. The AF is also vastly superior. If you're serious, the D300 won't be too much camera for you, however, the money you save with the D90 could mean a few extra lenses, which if you're just getting started is huge.

    If you have the money to get the D300 and some good lenses, it could easily be worth it. However, if buying the D300 means being putting off any lens purchases for some time, the D90 could be the better buy.

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    "If you can afford the D300 with a proper (not pro) lens, then go for it. The only negative side of this might be some embarrassing moments when someone finds out that you have a semi-pro or whatever one might call the D300 and still some gaps in basic photography knowledge but I don't think that you will encounter many of those."

    Funny you should mention this because that's exactly what happened on another forum I'm on.

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    MG - gotta throw my two cents in .... If you are really have an electrical engineering degree, write software, and are not daunted by building your kids' swingset, and you like stuff, go for the D300. It sounds like you will enjoy learning and experimenting with all the things the D300 can do, and it'll be some time before you find there is nothing new to learn with it. Buy good glass. Ignore those people who say - "oh, but how embarassing when someone finds out you're not a pro, but you've got good equipment" I expect you are not buying a DSLR to simply enhance your image.

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    "MG - gotta throw my two cents in .... If you are really have an electrical engineering degree, write software, and are not daunted by building your kids' swingset, and you like stuff, go for the D300. It sounds like you will enjoy learning and experimenting with all the things the D300 can do, and it'll be some time before you find there is nothing new to learn with it. Buy good glass. Ignore those people who say - "oh, but how embarassing when someone finds out you're not a pro, but you've got good equipment" I expect you are not buying a DSLR to simply enhance your image."

    Take this advice mg! I love electronics and enjoy learning about them and using them. I don't have a degree in electronics and I still really enjoyed learning the D300. You'll have a blast! warprints just said it better than I could have.

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    warprints, that "embarrassing" bit was more of a sarcastic remark towards those who look down at people with expensive equipment and beginners knowledge.
    I think it was a Finnish natural history photographer who said: The most expensive way to enter photography is with an entry level camera.

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    Monty - didn't mean to really direct that comment at you in particular, but I have been hearing (reading) that sort of thing more and more lately. Actually, to some extent, I agree with the comment. If someone buys a $2000 camera, then only uses it as a point and shoot, that tends to annoy me. Same if I see someone with any other specialized equipment, and they have no intention of learning it beyond using the most rudimentary features/abilities of the equipment. But really, it shouldn't matter. The more D300s or D3s sold, whether they're used or not, the better it is for Nikon and the rest of us.

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    I was trying to decide between the D90 & D300, and wound up going with the D90.

    With that said, learning how to shoot w/o full auto isn't very difficult if you understand the adjustments that you are making. With film, this was much tougher because you had to wait until your pictures developed in order to know what you did wrong (by then you probably forgot what settings you used). With digital, you get instant feedback, so if you did something wrong, all you have to do is change the settings and re-shoot. Easy! I don't ever use the full auto setting on my D40 unless I'm handing it off to friends.

    The D300's AF system is better, especially in lower light situations. It also has a 100% viewfinder which is good for getting tight compositions. If I were buying a camera today with an unlimited budget, I'd probably go for the D300. If you can think of any better use for the extra $500... any use at all... I'd go with the D90.

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    I recently ran into the same situation when a friend of mine was buying his first dSLR but it was before the D90 came out. There was a brand new D300 in the store along with a D200 and D80. He knew a little about photography but when I started talking about different metering options, iso performance, lens speed, etc. his eyes started to glaze over and he said, 'I just want to take good pictures of my daughter.' I knew there the D80 was the right camera for him, the auto mode and scene modes were probably where he was going to keep the selection dial and the D200 and D300 would have caused more frustration than any potential improvement in camera performance.

    If this is your first dSLR or you are not comfortable with the intricacies of the D300 then I would recommend the D90 or D5000. Image quality will be the same as the D300 and user-friendliness will be much more rewarding. The lower price will also enable you to get more glass which is much more important than the camera body.

    Good luck, all your options will reward you with great images, the greatest limitation in the quality of your photos will be your skills as a photographer, not the camera body you choose.

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    I like Adamz posting!

    Also like to add my vote for a D90. The D90 can functionally do everything the D300 can and more (video). There is another advantage the D90 has, and that's the Scene modes. If you are a keen new photographer, the scene modes provide you with solid scenarios to learn from. The D300 has no scene modes why? Because you can set the D300 to each of those scene modes IF you know how to. Try setting your D90 manually to emulate each of the scene modes. Its not as easy as it may seem. Once you know how to do each of the scene modes manually then you will know how to do it on the D300 more quickly. Once you know what all the manual setting do, you will be better at devising a setting for the D300 for scenes that are not covered by the basic scene modes.

    Otherwise you will be taking a lot of crap pictures with the Wonderful D300. If you find that you are out growing the D90 then get the new versions of the D300 (D400 or D500) I dusted off my old D70 recently and it still takes excellent pictures!

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    @heartyfisher, "the scene modes provide you with solid scenarios to learn from. The D300 has no scene modes why? Because you can set the D300 to each of those scene modes IF you know how to. Try setting your D90 manually to emulate each of the scene modes. Its not as easy as it may seem. Once you know how to do each of the scene modes manually then you will know how to do it on the D300 more quickly."

    Good comments. That makes a lot of sense to me. Do either/both allow me to save settings as a preset for later recall? For example, if D90 has a portrait mode, but I like to tweak one or two settings and use that all the time instead. Can I save that group of settings as my own custom mode? If so, how many of these does each camera have?

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