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valonqe

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I was waiting for that Firmware that was rumored to come out before Christmas and it never came so I thought I ask Nikon my self.

Below is the answer that I got from them.

Another good reason foe me to sell all my Nikon gear and move to Canon.

Thank you.

Nikon Europe Support 29/12/2009 | 09:06 AM

Dear Valon,

Thank you for contacting Nikon regarding Firmware Updates,

I am afraid that Nikon cannot make any specific comment about future releases, including any plans for official announcements or specifications. When information is available on any new products it will be made available in the News section of our European websites home page. Please refer to the link below
http://www.europe-nikon.com/

We take all product feedback and suggestions seriously and log all of these for feedback to the relevant department. These ideas are then discussed and used where appropriate. Customer comments are an important part of the Nikon process of constant development and improvement and your comments are most welcome.
You can be assured that your thoughts will be considered in future designs and Nikons aim of providing the best quality products and service possible.

If you have any further queries regarding this matter, please click the link above to update your question.

Kind Regards,

Damien O'Farrell
Nikon Europe Support
http://www.europe-nikon.com/support

Posted 3 years ago #
warprints

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Say what? You're going to switch brands because you are not privy to when firmware updates will be released? Does your camera have a problem that actually NEEDS to be corrected by firmware? If not, you need to get a life. Give me your Nikon gear, and by yourself a Canon.

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soap

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Pick one:
A - obvious troll is obvious
B - Silly Billy thinks Canon will wax his car in response to the same question.

Posted 3 years ago #
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Valonge wants to have a DSLR video camera, then by all means switch to Canon, just do it, sorry to say most on NR actually don't care if you do. Then would it not be fun that half a year from now, Nikon releases a new DSLR with full working HD video

Why don,t you buy a Pro Sony/Canon camcorder, what is that a DSLR can do better, I have a few friends that record videos for a living, one even has a Canon 5D MKII but is still using his Pro Camcorder, simply easier to get a good result with it

BTW do you really think that the service, email responds are going to be any better from Canon, I think not

Pete

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soap said:
Pick one:
A - obvious troll is obvious
B - Silly Billy thinks Canon will wax his car in response to the same question.

seriously!

who cares about firmware updates or updates on bodies, just shoot for Shiva's sake!

(shoot pictures that is)

Posted 3 years ago #
valonqe

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Of course is not going to wax my car and yours for that matter. Of course I am getting a life if you think that I am oppressed with having a Canon camera. My first camera was Nikon F4 which I still have it. Since then I bought 7 other Nikon's including my D300s which was bought 2 months ago.

Canon was there even at that time when I bought all my Nikon cameras but It did never cross my mind to by any of their cameras. I don't want to get into discussion into which brand is the better because we all know that is not the camera that make a great picture, ( hence the saying " It's not the size but how you us it " )

My problem with Nikon for nearly 2 years now since the release of Nikon D90 people where asking for a firmware update on D-MOVIE to have that manual control but that didn't happen. 2 years it's a bit to long to be able to rewrite a simple firmware.

A lot of people here on NR and on other news groups are arguing the fact of having the video on DSLR at all because a photo camera is for photos and not recording video.

But we can't change that fact that technology is moving forward. Same happen when digital era came around a lot of film camera users didn't want to know about the digital technology but slowly accept it and move one because they so the versatility of the work flow.

Same is happening now but a step forward. A lot of filmmakers including my self are slowly abandoning their digital video cameras and buying DSLRS for the D-MOVIE mode and ability to change lenses.

This is my point which I don't understand NIKON. It's costumers are waiting day and night for any news regarding the firmware and the new line of DSLRS that can record movies but they sit silently whiles Canon on the other hands is designing cameras with all the requires of it's costumers.

Since the release of the 7D 10 people that I know bought the 7d purely for the HD video.
Happy new year.

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bmxdad

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Have you noticed that Sony is not in the Video Game yet, maybe the current sensor design is lacking something and they are working on a new sensor. Nikon currently is getting their sensor from Sony.

Anyway valonge: I think you should get that 7D then, there is a highend adapter that allows some aperture control with nikon G lenses, but M/F only or you could just sell all your Nikon Gear and be done with it

Pete

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warprints

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Again, if you aren't happy with Nikon because they won't make a camera do what you want it to do, buy something else. Why bitch about it to us? We can't do anything about it - well, maybe ND can.

Posted 3 years ago #
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Want manual mode in video go for d3 - that's called market segmentation, either You like it or not.

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valonqe

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bmxdad said:
Valonge wants to have a DSLR video camera, then by all means switch to Canon, just do it, sorry to say most on NR actually don't care if you do. Then would it not be fun that half a year from now, Nikon releases a new DSLR with full working HD video

Why don,t you buy a Pro Sony/Canon camcorder, what is that a DSLR can do better, I have a few friends that record videos for a living, one even has a Canon 5D MKII but is still using his Pro Camcorder, simply easier to get a good result with it

BTW do you really think that the service, email responds are going to be any better from Canon, I think not

Pete

bmxdad said:
Valonge wants to have a DSLR video camera, then by all means switch to Canon, just do it, sorry to say most on NR actually don't care if you do. Then would it not be fun that half a year from now, Nikon releases a new DSLR with full working HD video

Why don,t you buy a Pro Sony/Canon camcorder, what is that a DSLR can do better, I have a few friends that record videos for a living, one even has a Canon 5D MKII but is still using his Pro Camcorder, simply easier to get a good result with it

BTW do you really think that the service, email responds are going to be any better from Canon, I think not

Pete

bmxdad said:
Valonge wants to have a DSLR video camera, then by all means switch to Canon, just do it, sorry to say most on NR actually don't care if you do. Then would it not be fun that half a year from now, Nikon releases a new DSLR with full working HD video

Why don,t you buy a Pro Sony/Canon camcorder, what is that a DSLR can do better, I have a few friends that record videos for a living, one even has a Canon 5D MKII but is still using his Pro Camcorder, simply easier to get a good result with it

BTW do you really think that the service, email responds are going to be any better from Canon, I think not

Pete

Posted 3 years ago #
mb

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So sorry but I do not see any sense in what you are talking about.
You are saying you have been waiting for 2 years for something no one has ever promised you Nikon will ever do just because you think it should be done?
I am pretty much sure that if there are some real issues Nikon would have fixed them as always but I really see no reason to waste any time or resource on a couple of idle minded guys.

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I'd feel bad about hijacking this thread but since its so ridiculous in the first place:

Poll: How many products have you updated the firmware on?

For me it is exactly 1. My iPhone. I love that we now live in an age where vendors feel pressure to improve products we've already purchased. It's one of the single greatest achievements of capitalism.

Posted 3 years ago #
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Willis said:
Poll: How many products have you updated the firmware on?

Anything I can update the firmware on! I lost count quite a bit back...cameras, iPods, robotic Legos, you name it. Can't wait to get my hands on the SB-900—I think you can update the firmware of that through the camera!

Posted 3 years ago #
valonqe

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BMX. I know that I can switch to any other brand if I want to, and also know that none of other users here in NR don't care if I do or not, but that's not the point I'm trying to share here.

I thought as Nikon user my self, I can discuss some of my thoughts regarding this firmware issue that has become annoying for some people here. At the end of the day I think that this site is set up to rumor, share thoughts and help each other.

So if my bitching about the firmware worprints bothers you I do apologize, but is not going to stop me disusing it with other Nikon users which a lot of them wanted to have that manual control over video for a long time.

I know that none of you can help with what I am discussing but it doesn't hurt to at least share some of you're thought regarding this firm ware issue and Nikons position with its costumers. I wish I had the money and buy every Nikon that come out but that's not the case.

I simply took an example Canon in which the way they dealt with its costumers when they brought their DSLRS to market. For example when they brought out 5dm2 people suggested for manual control and 4 months later they came out with a firm ware which fixed that problem along with others. Mean time others asked for a different frame rate canon came out with 7D. Canon is writing another firm ware for 5dm2 cameras to be able to shoot video in different frame rate same as on 7d and 1dsm4.

Nikon is not offering that at all. THey brought out the D300s with now improvement at all in d-movie although it has been discussed in news groups for all most 2 year. Now that we got the D3s the only improvement that they offer is manual control over video. You don't get to have different frame rate and resolution.

Any way I bitched to much and I hope you guys don't take it in wrong way I'ts just that I love NIKON camera to much to change to something else where deep in my heart I know that Nikon can sort out this firmware.

Regards
Valonqe

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mb

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I must admit that I always update the firmware of anything I own as soon as I find the update, cameras, phones, BIOS-es, printers, you name it, because I am sure it has at least some improvement in it otherwise they would not published it, and it is usually the case though I had some not so pleasant experiences.
We did have a D90 firmware update site some time ago but as I recall only handful of people were interested. Anyway we will have D90 replacement soon enough.

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soap

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Update? Pffft. I /replace/. ;)
Linksys router? Tomato
iPods/Sansas/iRiver? Rockbox
Canon SD870? CHDK
NSLU2? dd-wrt

Posted 3 years ago #
adamz

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val - let's don't compare nikon to canon, as they have a totally different approach to videos in they dslr's, in Nikon, each movie is a combination of jpg frames - put into one avi file, while in canon it works more like in pro cameras - that's why it's easier for canon to add different framerates and encoding on one hand, and on the other You can take any frame out of Nikons video and use it as a picture.

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valonqe

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HI Adamz !

I am aware of the technicalities that goes behind the DSLRs but I was more into discussing the approach in which Nikon is moving forward with this new features.

JPEG avi and Movie H-2-something that Canon uses are both compression, which compered to professional camcorders they don't come close. But again it's perfectly accepted for any work that you want to do as long as you don't shake the camera to much because of the rolling shutter.

Canon chose a compression which is more up to date and widely used in editing software's like PREMIER Cs4 which is native without the need to trans-code you're footage to any other format as you have to do with JPEG avi.

Any way this discussion can for days on end if we start to explain on details for each camera. It was just that I have so many cine lenses that I can use with my Nikon apart from the set of Nikors but because of the limitation on the exposure and the frame rate third party companies chose Canon 7d to make adapters for different lens mount.

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOU here at NR for you're help and support.

Valonqe

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valonqe

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mb said:
So sorry but I do not see any sense in what you are talking about.
You are saying you have been waiting for 2 years for something no one has ever promised you Nikon will ever do just because you think it should be done?
I am pretty much sure that if there are some real issues Nikon would have fixed them as always but I really see no reason to waste any time or resource on a couple of idle minded guys.

I didn't say that I have waited 2 years for something that Nikon has promised. The problem with Nikon that I personally find is that they don't say nothing at all even when people have been discussing and requesting a firmware version to be able to manually control the exposure on D90.

And if you look to all threads in all news groups and even here in NR is a petition thread which a lot of people have signed where people made a suggestions to have manual exposure. For 2 years nothing happen from Nikon. They brought D300s which by the way it is an amazing camera but in D-MOVIE no improvement whats so ever a part form AF, still the same frame rate, still auto exposure/shutter. Soon after that they brought the D3s which finally they made a slight improvement in the D-MOVE adding that manual exposure but still 720p at 24fps again a dream camera to have.

If Nikon managed to add the manual exposure over video on D3s surely they can do with D90 and D300s because a lot of people who owns these cameras would like and appreciate to have that extra feature which is only a firmware program.

All I know is that a lot of filmmakers are seeking these DSLRs for it's audibility ti shoot video especially those DSLRS that offer full HD and different frame rates like 7D which is an ideal camera for filmmakers and very cheap. Just have a look at the website: http://www.dslrfilms.com and get the idea of what I am talking.

That could of been a NIKON camera if it had all the features that CANON offer with it's cameras.
This should be real concern and a major issue with Nikon because its is loosing a good deal of costumers to Canon.

Regards
Valon

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Hi Valonge: I might want to sleep on this for a few days, Both Sony and Nikon have strong rumors floating around about new DSLR releases, with both having 1080 HD video.

Yes Nikon might have lost some customers to Canon due to the lack of video, but the fact is as a family camcorder even a Canon DSLR will be a difficult animal to create great family video's like they could do with a regular camcorder.

Nikon however is still a leader in the photographic side of most comparisons that you can make, which is actually what people buy the cameras to do

Pete

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valonqe said:
Of course is not going to wax my car and yours for that matter. Of course I am getting a life if you think that I am oppressed with having a Canon camera. My first camera was Nikon F4 which I still have it. Since then I bought 7 other Nikon's including my D300s which was bought 2 months ago.

Canon was there even at that time when I bought all my Nikon cameras but It did never cross my mind to by any of their cameras. I don't want to get into discussion into which brand is the better because we all know that is not the camera that make a great picture, ( hence the saying " It's not the size but how you us it " )

My problem with Nikon for nearly 2 years now since the release of Nikon D90 people where asking for a firmware update on D-MOVIE to have that manual control but that didn't happen. 2 years it's a bit to long to be able to rewrite a simple firmware.

A lot of people here on NR and on other news groups are arguing the fact of having the video on DSLR at all because a photo camera is for photos and not recording video.

But we can't change that fact that technology is moving forward. Same happen when digital era came around a lot of film camera users didn't want to know about the digital technology but slowly accept it and move one because they so the versatility of the work flow.

Same is happening now but a step forward. A lot of filmmakers including my self are slowly abandoning their digital video cameras and buying DSLRS for the D-MOVIE mode and ability to change lenses.

This is my point which I don't understand NIKON. It's costumers are waiting day and night for any news regarding the firmware and the new line of DSLRS that can record movies but they sit silently whiles Canon on the other hands is designing cameras with all the requires of it's costumers.

Since the release of the 7D 10 people that I know bought the 7d purely for the HD video.
Happy new year.

You still using that F4? Just wondering cause it's my primary work camera, and it certainly doesn't have HD movie mode...

Big deal, firmware is firmware, it comes out once or twice to update a camera, sometimes not at all. D90 is a midrange consumer body, they're not concerned with manual control on it.

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ChrisLange said:

Big deal, firmware is firmware, it comes out once or twice to update a camera, sometimes not at all. D90 is a midrange consumer body, they're not concerned with manual control on it.

That just about says it

Pete

BTW being in Camera Sales, I have yet to have people wanting to purchase a Canon vs Nikon due to the lack of video features, people are moving up from P&S cameras to a better camera, not a better camcorder, Actually the Panasonic GH1 would properly be the best choice, no corrected, is the best choice if someone wanted a DSLR quality camera/camcorder for family use

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man I had NO IDEA that the SB900 had an update out. . .sigh. . .thankfully, I can do the update via the D5k I have rented, since apparently the D200 can't update the SB900 (bad nikon!)

Last time I updated something was my D200. . .and my now defunct Toshiba HD-DVD player. . .I don't really think a "firmware" update as extensive as the OP wanted could've been done to the D90 sensor as is, so maybe that explains the delay?

The D200 firmware update, btw, came over 2 years later. . .so they certainly take their time. . .

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warprints

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valonqe - Sorry if I mistook your discussion of an issue for bitching. I have to put up with whinning and bitching almost every day at work, and I guess I'm a bit oversensitive. Again, my apology.

Back on point, I do upgrade firmware on cameras, computers, printers, wireless hubs, scanners,and assorted other junk, but pretty much only when there are fixes or significant performance updates involved.

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RobertD

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Here is a list of all firmware upgrades on Nikon products.
http://support.nikontech.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/13783

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