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Do You Take Better Pictures When You have More or Less Control?

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  1. alphanikonrex

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    I was thinking about my shooting style, and I came to this conclusion: My photographs tend to turn out better when I have less control. In other words, I perform better out in the field (when all my control is confined to the camera) rather than inside the studio (where I also have control over background, lighting, etc.).

    Why? I asked.

    I think for me it's like a math problem. I easily and efficiently can solve the equation 5*x=100, yet I find 5*x+3*y=100 more of a challenge. That's simply because there are more variables for me to supply. If I can only control a few things, I can keep a "sharper" eye on them and let alone everything else.

    So what do you guys tend to like? More or less control?

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  2. nau

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    alphanikonrex said:
    can solve the equation 5*x=100, yet I find 5*x+3*y=100 more of a challenge.

    I stopped reading after this bit :)

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  3. bmxdad

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    Me 3, I mean 2

    Pete

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  4. alphanikonrex

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    LOL, are my awesome math skills to advanced for you guys? :^P

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  5. ChrisLange

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    I stopped reading too.

    ps.

    5x+3y=100

    lets say x is 5

    so 5(5) +3y=100
    25+3y=100-
    -25

    3y=75
    /3

    y=25
    ___

    therefore

    5x+3(25)=100
    5x+75=100
    /5
    x+15=20
    x=5 both solutions work.

    algebra 1 for the win huh?
    I can't believe that was 5 years ago. Have fun in trig in a few years alpha!

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    Ham

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  7. ChrisLange

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    also:

    I take my best pictures when I'm especially motivated, or surrounded by sensory stimuli, in any sense of the word.

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  8. alphanikonrex

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    Of course I can do it Chris! I'm just "hyperbolizing"!

    But compare what you just did to:

    5x=100
    x=20

    Short and simple :^)

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  9. alphanikonrex

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    ChrisLange said:
    I take my best pictures when I'm especially motivated, or surrounded by sensory stimuli, in any sense of the word.

    Sooo...do you like having a lot of control or not?

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  10. NikoDoby

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    Hey Chris long time no see. Good to have you back :^)

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  11. alphanikonrex

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    NikoDoby said:
    Hey Chris long time no see. Good to have you back :^)

    Once again my thread has nothing to do with my OP. Oh well :^)

    Welcome back Chris!

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    back to op... When I first got my D90, I kept everything auto and had a very high percentage of good shots, almost 100%. Then I got confident and started to over-ride auto and control more functions, and my percentage declined a lot. Now I've got things figured out a bit more, and I take control of some functions either because my artistic intent requires it or because I analyze the situation differently than the D90. My percentage is not as high, but I like my overall results better. I have to be very confident to over-ride automatic functions.

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    On one hand, I understand what you're saying- fumbling with a small viewfinder and manual controls is not fun when you're trying to take a picture real quick. On the other hand, if I am in Aperture mode, I set it and the camera does the rest for me. Obviously, having no exterior controls doesn't help either.

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    When I am using flash, I love manual control. My pictures are better. I can fool the camera, otherwise I would be shooting at the highest ISO with 1/5 shutter speed.

    For street and photo journalism I control only the ISO and Aperture, since shutter speed is dependent on these two variables, I let the camera do the "deciding" in that area.

    Ohh I always use flash in manual, unless I want a quick "fill" than I leave it be in i-TTL.

    Another thing which I can't understand is how someone looks down on people who use autofocus. I mean really does your p-nis feel bigger when you use manual focusing. Maybe you just feel more artsy doing so. I don't know.

    Why not go back to the stone age and use old a$$ primitive camera designs. Yeah why don't you goo that, you self pompous john.

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    Ok i'll play along. I get better results when I have all the control. With a camera that means I get better results with a large format than I do with a medium or 35mm. The reason is that I must slow down, way down. everything about the shot from vantage point to focus plane must be thought through.

    In the studio with lights, it's similar. setting ratios, casting shadows, it all is part of the creative process. If i simply use a point and shoot approach, I get sloppy. I miss what is going on in the background, or with shadows, or even proper framing.

    For me more control means slower more deliberate, and better results.

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    peterd said:
    Ok i'll play along. I get better results when I have all the control. With a camera that means I get better results with a large format than I do with a medium or 35mm. The reason is that I must slow down, way down. everything about the shot from vantage point to focus plane must be thought through.

    In the studio with lights, it's similar. setting ratios, casting shadows, it all is part of the creative process. If i simply use a point and shoot approach, I get sloppy. I miss what is going on in the background, or with shadows, or even proper framing.

    For me more control means slower more deliberate, and better results.

    I think that it also depends on what type of photography you are doing. Obviously if you are not time pressed, you can take your time and "play".

    But if you are doing something which is not stationary, constantly in move, you just have help your camera do what you need, by controlling one dependent variable or the other.

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    I shoot in A mode almost always. The only time I don't is when I'm shooting those rare night shots. For those I go full M mode.

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    I like to have as much control as possible. Usually when I shoot, I'm going after a very specific look. I'll take hundreds of crappy shots before I nail exactly what I'm after and sometimes it just doesn't happen.

    I have that luxury since nobody is paying me to do it. My girlfriend isn't so lucky. For portrait work or other more controlled shoots, she will go deep and tweek the settings. For events though, Its usually green arrow time.

    If you are moving back and fourth between different types of lighting its no time to be faffing about with settings. She has to nail every shot. For this sort of thing, composition is far more important than the technical image quality... which is probably true of most shots.

    Women have known this for ages, its us men that like to spend time on camera forums and read manuals all day that are only now figuring it out.

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    poster said:
    I think that it also depends on what type of photography you are doing. Obviously if you are not time pressed, you can take your time and "play".

    But if you are doing something which is not stationary, constantly in move, you just have help your camera do what you need, by controlling one dependent variable or the other.

    I agree, The only time I have time to "play" in the field is when I do my own work. Any other time I need to keep the client happy, and that means moving right along.

    But the question was, do you like more or less control. I would always rather have more control.

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  20. alphanikonrex

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    Hmmm...for the most part, it seems like it's dependent on the environment and your preference.

    I do agree that when I'm experimenting I do appreciate a little more control—I'll switch to M mode usually. But not total control. That's simply too much for me to handle easily.

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    Control doesn't really factor in for me. What are you in control of? Your camera's mechanics? Your environment? Perhaps you are controlling the image settings if you use a digital camera? Control is moot, aside from setting the shutter/aperture, the only thing I -need- to control is where I point my lens and when I hit the shutter, everything else happens around me.

    I work almost completely on the street, a chaotic environment, yet I am very in control of what I am doing. The mode of operation depends on the camera I happen to be using, if its my F3 or F4, it's most likely aperture priority automation, whereas with my Bronica ETRS, rolleiflex, rangefinders, and nikkormat ft2 it's all just by my evaluation of a scene.

    I consider my studio work to be on par with anything else I do, it's the same set of eyes, the same brain, and the same hands on the tool used to capture it. In this case, I control everything except my subject, for the most part.

    Due to the fact I use film pretty much exclusively, the only thing image-wise I worry about before getting into my darkroom is my ASA rating, which I set once, and leave alone for the rest of the roll.

    I guess I just don't worry about the other things, I'm usually too focused on looking for my next picture to waste time trying to 'control' things. What's the point in setting up a scene if I could just go out and find a more interesting real one?

    If I come off as a jerk in this post, I apologize, it's just that for me, I don't really have "modes" on my cameras, past aperture priority and manual(I pretty much never use S or P on my F4). In addition to that, I only really use manual focus lenses for the most part, aside from my 180, 50, and 18-35, generally only carrying a 35 and my 85 or 105.

    the situation determines the amount of control you are able to exercise, it's your job to work around that as a photographer and adapt to your environment. I personally feel more in control out in city streets than I do with a static landscape, but thats just me.

    Thanks for the welcome back everyone, by the way, I appreciate it :), college is a real pain.

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    Willis said:
    Women have known this for ages, its us men that like to spend time on camera forums and read manuals all day that are only now figuring it out.

    Huh ... figure what out ..? Women? Can never figure them out ... .. ? they have manual?

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    heartyfisher said:
    Huh ... figure what out ..? Women? Can never figure them out ... .. ? they have manual?

    LOL

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  24. bernard

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    Less control is always better IMHO. After all, taking pictures is always down to a combination of speed and aperture. The lens you use gets in the way of course, but apart from adjusting the distance, which, most of the times is automatic, and the focal length if you use a zoom, that's about all you need.

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    I mostly shoot in aperture priority and check the shutter speed in the viewfinder to make sure it is acceptable and I keep the ISO set at 200. If this doesn't work for whatever situation I'm in at the time I will make changes as required. Most of the rejects I have are due to composition or just "missing" the shot.

    Posted 3 years ago #

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