Nikon Rumors Forum » Topic: Do you understand how the 4 shot mode works on that new Hassy and could this

mb on "Do you understand how the 4 shot mode works on that new Hassy and could this"

mb — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:08:22 +0000

To be pedantic none of the mentioned methods is able to do this specific task.

soap on "Do you understand how the 4 shot mode works on that new Hassy and could this"

soap — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:21:36 +0000

mb said:
Hass-Mass is using technology similar to one used in sensor cleaning piezo motors built in most new Nikon cameras so I suppose multi-shot can be implemented also.

(Not to be pedantic, but) a better analogy (than to sensor cleaning motors) is to the motors used for in-camera vibration reduction. You need precise (and accurate!) sensor motion control not likely to be implemented in a cleaner's "shaker" system.

kanuck on "Do you understand how the 4 shot mode works on that new Hassy and could this"

kanuck — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:00:39 +0000

Perhaps as a pro who works for a magazine feels the pressure to purchase and use what is widely considered the industry leader (Hasselblad) therefore, they purchase one without any consideration towards a D3X or even a Eos1 Mark III. I'm sure a lot of professionals are still using Hasselblad film cameras. I see a lot of them for sale in my camera district for excellenet prices $800-$2200 USD.

With this DxO chart in mind, where do you think the D3s would slide in? With its otherworldly high ISO range its probably going to give the D700 the boot at #5.

Pete, yes the D300 sure is a great camera especially for weddings. I love mine its all I use right now. However, I've been itching to trade it in for the D700, and this itch has been getting worse lately. I have the glass all ready to.

mb on "Do you understand how the 4 shot mode works on that new Hassy and could this"

mb — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:27:05 +0000

Hass-Mass is using technology similar to one used in sensor cleaning piezo motors built in most new Nikon cameras so I suppose multi-shot can be implemented also. The only thing is I suspect Hass is using electronic shutter available in CCD sensors. Advantage is there is no Bayer interpolation drawbacks and true (not bigger) image resolution.
By the way some professionals are still using old Hasselblad film cameras; some are using them with Nikon gear though, scanners actually, to get around 85Mpix images with better dynamic range and without Bayer array drawbacks so go figure.

jonnyapple on "Do you understand how the 4 shot mode works on that new Hassy and could this"

jonnyapple — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:59:43 +0000

Not to mention the D700 at #5.

jbl on "Do you understand how the 4 shot mode works on that new Hassy and could this"

jbl — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:18:56 +0000

kanuck said:
Just on a sidenote check out http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/eng/DxOMark-Sensor/(metrics)/

According to DxO, in terms of color depth, dynamic range, and low light ISO ranges, the best camera in the world is the Phase One P65 Plus. Nikon D3X comes in at #2, Phase One P40 Plus comes in at #3 then the D3 at #4 and D700 at #5. Canon 1Ds Mark III is #6 and the 5D Mark II is #7. Interestingly enough the Hasselblad H3DII 50 comes registers at #10 and the Hasselblad H3DII 39 comes in at #13.

Wow if we follow this chart, the Nikon D3X is actually pretty friggen cheap.

bmxdad on "Do you understand how the 4 shot mode works on that new Hassy and could this"

bmxdad — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:34:42 +0000

And the Hassy is difficult to use, just like a Cannon

Pete

jonnyapple on "Do you understand how the 4 shot mode works on that new Hassy and could this"

jonnyapple — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:25:22 +0000

kanuck said:
Yes the D3X must be one amazing camera to blow away all three of the Hasseys! 3 of the top 5 are Nikon cameras and remember this is based on color depth, dynamic range and low light iso! Talk about quality for your buck.

Unless you had more money than you knew how to spend, I don't know why you'd want a hasselblad. You could get such an amazing Nikon kit for the price of even one of the Hassy backs it's almost mind-blowing.

bmxdad said:
Anyway got the D300 a few lenses, SB900 flash, and after learning how to get the most out of her new camera, absolutely love the camera. Her other stuff is getting sold and she is getting another body for her back-up

Pete

BTW I will invite her to visit NR

I love happy endings.

bmxdad on "Do you understand how the 4 shot mode works on that new Hassy and could this"

bmxdad — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:04:21 +0000

kanuck said:
Hey Pete it's 11:30pm Korean time now. I always post when others are in bed I'm sure haha Yes the D3X must be one amazing camera to blow away all three of the Hasseys! 3 of the top 5 are Nikon cameras and remember this is based on color depth, dynamic range and low light iso! Talk about quality for your buck. The D3s is not even rated yet, but I'm sure it will crack the top 10 as well maybe even top 5. Gotta love Nikon.

By the way NikoDoby beautiful moon shot or is that the new Nikon Digital Camera watch I've been hearing about on the rumors page (>_<) It looks like its telling me to go to bed now..

Or just getting out of bed in the morning, do you miss Vancouver with all the rain they had lately, but they did get lots of show in Whistler also

Yes Nikon makes great gear, one of my co-workers that works part-time in our printing Lab and also shots weddings, family pics part-time just moved over to Nikon after I had showed her my D300, she typical got a Canon for Family pics, then someone gave her an Olympus DSLR, just basic stuff, then she started to get noticed for her ability to shot great pictures, and she wanted to upgrade, she had printed some of my pictures and asked me what I was using. Anyway got the D300 a few lenses, SB900 flash, and after learning how to get the most out of her new camera, absolutely love the camera. Her other stuff is getting sold and she is getting another body for her back-up

Pete

BTW I will invite her to visit NR

kanuck on "Do you understand how the 4 shot mode works on that new Hassy and could this"

kanuck — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:36:15 +0000

Hey Pete it's 11:30pm Korean time now. I always post when others are in bed I'm sure haha Yes the D3X must be one amazing camera to blow away all three of the Hasseys! 3 of the top 5 are Nikon cameras and remember this is based on color depth, dynamic range and low light iso! Talk about quality for your buck. The D3s is not even rated yet, but I'm sure it will crack the top 10 as well maybe even top 5. Gotta love Nikon.

By the way NikoDoby beautiful moon shot or is that the new Nikon Digital Camera watch I've been hearing about on the rumors page (>_<) It looks like its telling me to go to bed now..

NikoDoby on "Do you understand how the 4 shot mode works on that new Hassy and could this"

NikoDoby — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:59:40 +0000

It's a quarter past time for you to buy a watch :^)

Seriously though I think image stacking is a very good idea. My Sony HX1 has something similar called handheld twilight mode. The results are very impressive.

bmxdad on "Do you understand how the 4 shot mode works on that new Hassy and could this"

bmxdad — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:57:52 +0000

Yes why not

Pete

NikoDoby on "Do you understand how the 4 shot mode works on that new Hassy and could this"

NikoDoby — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:53:12 +0000

Yeah Nikon is capable of working some incredible magic into their cameras!

bmxdad <a href="http://nikonrumors.com/forum/topic.php?
What time do you have over there

Who me?

bmxdad on "Do you understand how the 4 shot mode works on that new Hassy and could this"

bmxdad — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:50:37 +0000

kanuck said:
Just on a sidenote check out http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/eng/DxOMark-Sensor/(metrics)/

According to DxO, in terms of color depth, dynamic range, and low light ISO ranges, the best camera in the world is the Phase One P65 Plus. Nikon D3X comes in at #2, Phase One P40 Plus comes in at #3 then the D3 at #4 and D700 at #5. Canon 1Ds Mark III is #6 and the 5D Mark II is #7. Interestingly enough the Hasselblad H3DII 50 comes registers at #10 and the Hasselblad H3DII 39 comes in at #13.

Wow that is quite the feat for the Nikon D3X, could you imagine Nikon actually making a MF camera with what they have learned from the D3X,

Pete

What time do you have over there

NikoDoby on "Do you understand how the 4 shot mode works on that new Hassy and could this"

NikoDoby — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:47:38 +0000

Amazing that it takes 60 megapixels to overtake the D3X's 24! And even at that the Nikon lost by only 1 point!

kanuck on "Do you understand how the 4 shot mode works on that new Hassy and could this"

kanuck — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:39:00 +0000

Just on a sidenote check out http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/eng/DxOMark-Sensor/(metrics)/

According to DxO, in terms of color depth, dynamic range, and low light ISO ranges, the best camera in the world is the Phase One P65 Plus. Nikon D3X comes in at #2, Phase One P40 Plus comes in at #3 then the D3 at #4 and D700 at #5. Canon 1Ds Mark III is #6 and the 5D Mark II is #7. Interestingly enough the Hasselblad H3DII 50 comes registers at #10 and the Hasselblad H3DII 39 comes in at #13.

NSXType-R on "Do you understand how the 4 shot mode works on that new Hassy and could this"

NSXType-R — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:39:56 +0000

Thanks NikoDoby!

And of course, I have a lot to learn.

bmxdad on "Do you understand how the 4 shot mode works on that new Hassy and could this"

bmxdad — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:20:07 +0000

jonnyapple said:
Hasselblad wrote theirs trying to convince rich people and organizations that the cost was justified, so it needed to be mysterious and magical.

That is about right

Pete

jonnyapple on "Do you understand how the 4 shot mode works on that new Hassy and could this"

jonnyapple — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:15:59 +0000

bmxdad said:
Thanks this was easier to understand than the mumbling from Hassy

Hasselblad wrote theirs trying to convince rich people and organizations that the cost was justified, so it needed to be mysterious and magical.

bmxdad on "Do you understand how the 4 shot mode works on that new Hassy and could this"

bmxdad — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:14:11 +0000

Panamon_Creel said:
This PDF gives a good explanation on the technology used for Multi-shot modes.
You'll see mentioned that Nikon also employs that technology on High Res Microscopy digicams.

Thanks this was easier to understand than the mumbling from Hassy

Wow that is impressive differences, this could work for large scenery shots, buildings and none moving objects, and Nikon has already been using it

Anyway could be another tool to improve some types of pictures, right

Pete

Panamon_Creel on "Do you understand how the 4 shot mode works on that new Hassy and could this"

Panamon_Creel — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:35:17 +0000

This PDF gives a good explanation on the technology used for Multi-shot modes.
You'll see mentioned that Nikon also employs that technology on High Res Microscopy digicams.

bmxdad on "Do you understand how the 4 shot mode works on that new Hassy and could this"

bmxdad — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:13:41 +0000

pabnj said:
Pete, why would you want this feature? I saw it in action, and it is slow. Really slow! Hasselblad is physically moving the sensor just one pixel to capture each color channel at each pixel site. That took quite some time believe or not since the movement has to be so precise. The only type of shooting this feature could be for is in studio still life.

Hasselblad is having huge problems competing against Phase One, and since they closed their system off to third party backs, this has hurt them even more as most photographers who buy medium format want their options open to them. Besides, since Christian Poulsen was let go today from Hasselblad, I truly wonder how long their going to last.

I honestly don't know if I wanted and it would properly be to expensive to implement

Pete

pabnj on "Do you understand how the 4 shot mode works on that new Hassy and could this"

pabnj — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:01:37 +0000

Pete, why would you want this feature? I saw it in action, and it is slow. Really slow! Hasselblad is physically moving the sensor just one pixel to capture each color channel at each pixel site. That took quite some time believe or not since the movement has to be so precise. The only type of shooting this feature could be for is in studio still life.

Hasselblad is having huge problems competing against Phase One, and since they closed their system off to third party backs, this has hurt them even more as most photographers who buy medium format want their options open to them. Besides, since Christian Poulsen was let go today from Hasselblad, I truly wonder how long their going to last.

NikoDoby on "Do you understand how the 4 shot mode works on that new Hassy and could this"

NikoDoby — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:22:33 +0000

It's software Pete. Remember Nikon made Picture Project and they still haven't figured out Snow Leopard so I don't think it's that easy to speed things up. (no offense Nikon software engineers).

bmxdad on "Do you understand how the 4 shot mode works on that new Hassy and could this"

bmxdad — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:18:19 +0000

NikoDoby said:
From what I've heard of it it's mostly all software based so I suppose it's possible, but it's just so dang slow it seems counter productive to me. Even for a Hassey.

Yes but I would think a Pro Nikon could do this faster, it would be done in one smooth motion only one mirror action, then 4 shots on a tripod right

Pete