Excuse me for calling it GPS, you're right, it's not. I just call it that. Nobody knows what WPS is anyway.

Fine, it has its problems, but at least you would kind of have a "two in one" deal. But come to think of it I don't think it's worth the trouble.

alphanikonrex said:
I'm just saying if we have built-in GPS, all we have is built-in GPS. However, if we put in WiFi, we not only have the usual advantages of WiFi (like wireless data transfer) but can also integrate a GPS like the GPS of the Eye-Fi SD Card system.

EDIT: More specifically this link.

That's not GPS, and they go to great lengths to not say GPS. That's a Geotagging routine which notes what Wi-Fi access points are visible at the time a photo was taken. It then, after the fact, compares the list of found access points to Skyhook Wireless's http://www.skyhookwireless.com/ proprietary database and gives you a rough position.

Problems:
1 - Only works when you are in range of a broadcasting Wi-Fi access point (doesn't have to be an open AP nor do you need to be connected to it).
1b - Only when said AP has been mapped by Skyhook Wireless.
2 - Only accurate to a resolution dependent on the range of said Wi-Fi access point.
3 - Depends on access to Skyhook Wireless's subscription database (free access with Eye-Fi Geo/Explore/Pro cards) which is a paid service.
4 - Nikon Wi-Fi solution would need to implement the recording of the above mentioned data.
5 - (nitpick) need access to internet to geotag.
6 - (nitpick 2) must use their software and pray they update it for your new OS version. (Windows users likely need not worry).
7 - (Not a nitpick) - Only works where Skyhook Wireless has mapped APs. That means (according to Eye-Fi's docs) 70% of the population of the USA. This level of coverage would make ATT's 3G coverage look large. ;) (Mind that this uses Skyhook's WPS service, not their totally different XPS service which is a neat variation on AGPS ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS ) using Wi-Fi points as hinting tools)

soap said:
Please expand this thought. I'm not sure at all where you're going with this.

I'm just saying if we have built-in GPS, all we have is built-in GPS. However, if we put in WiFi, we not only have the usual advantages of WiFi (like wireless data transfer) but can also integrate a GPS like the GPS of the Eye-Fi SD Card system.

EDIT: More specifically this link.

alphanikonrex said:
Actually, with WiFi and the proper firmware, couldn't you properly have a GPS similar to the EyeFi SD card?

Please expand this thought. I'm not sure at all where you're going with this.

PB PM said:
I don't have any need for WiFi in my cameras, I'd rather have GPS built in.

Actually, with WiFi and the proper firmware, couldn't you properly have a GPS similar to the EyeFi SD card?

WiFi, sure why not. Like Adam would like to have it with the ability to control the camera remotely, hate running long USB cables.
Integrated GPS okay too but I have a BT solution right now (foolography)so not so much in a hurry for it.

I don't have any need for WiFi in my cameras, I'd rather have GPS built in.

I'd still want it internally along with a digital compass like the new point & shoot Sony HX5V!

soap said:
Exactly as if you were connected via the serial/accessory (10 pin) port. I have a buddy with one of these, it's slick.
http://www.aokatec.com/Product.html

Yeah, that's pretty awesome! Any other stuff you can do with the bluetooth—wireless camera control per chance?

adamz said:
how does the batter behave once You connect the bluetooth device?

Exactly as if you were connected via the serial/accessory (10 pin) port. I have a buddy with one of these, it's slick.
http://www.aokatec.com/Product.html

No thanks, neither GPS or wifi would help me take better images, nor simplify my life. I'll go for lower cost and smaller.

how does the batter behave once You connect the bluetooth device?

For now, I think the best solution for GPS is add a bluetooth adapter on camera. I use AK-4N bluetooth adapter on my D300S, my camera acquire GPS data from a bluetooth GPS receiver wireless. It's quite convenient without any thick cord.

Yea. I'd only want GPS so that the shots would be geo-tagged. If you only do studio work, I guess you always know where you are. When you work often in wilderness areas or take a series of photos as you travel (up the coast of California, for instance), it's nice not to have to write down where each photo was taken.

WiFi - well, it would be easier to have the photos fly through the air to a laptop, and someday I may want to pay for that opportunity (added cost of camera), but right now I just don't think it's worth it to me. As I said above, I would RATHER spend my $$ on built in GPS (for geo-tagging).

No GPS no geo-tagging, or so they say ...
Wi-Fi? Wi not.

I also would like to have a wifi in my dslr, but only when there will be software that is capable of controlling my camera remotely. I set my cameras, take iphone, push a button, and voila can control any camera I have, even simultaneously.
As for GPS, don't need to have maps on my dsl - have iphone for that :D, but wouldn't mind to have a build-in geo-tagging.

Well I still think the "future" is with more wireless features in more cameras regardless of what this agreement/"settlement" means.

By the way, what will Nikon's in camera map/navigation/gps patent mean? Something like that could make use of an internet connection wouldn't it?

Because a perpetual license is rarely offered on a patent?

Do you honestly expect Nikon to issue a press release saying "We paid protection money."?

I strongly feel there are no safe conclusions re:products which can be drawn from a settlement* such as this.

*Called "settlement" and not license deal as WiLAN seeks you out - you don't go to them. ;)

EDIT: I don't mean to be such a skeptical bastard, but the entire agreement is confidential, everything we're going to hear is speculation, and WiLAN is a known patent troll.

Wi-Fi is clearly in the cards for digital cameras in general, but this is likely evidence only of the unfortunate cost of doing business, not anything else.

Then why call it a "multi-year licensing deal"? The Microsoft v TomTom case was closely watched and in that settlement it was agreed that neither party did anything "wrong" and they now live happily ever after. Well until they found out Google Maps Navigation beta was coming.

Noting about that settlement applies to this settlement. Everything about that settlement applies to your previous post.

You said "Even if this agreement is secretly a settlement, it still signifies that Nikon will be expanding wireless features in it's future products. " and I brought up the Tom Tom case to illustrate that a patent license agreement does not necessarily signify new products or technology by the settler, but often is in regards to previously sold products.

And while Microsoft is hardly a simple patent troll, selective enforcement of dubious patents (their FAT32 expanded name-space claims have never been defended in court) is a common leverage tool, and is a tactic WiLAN is famous for. (See my previous links for the tip of the iceberg.)

Be specific? What about that settlement applies to this "settlement"?

Not necessarily:
See Microsoft v. Tom Tom for a recent case where patent enforcement as a strategic move is made purposefully late in the game.

Even if this agreement is secretly a settlement, it still signifies that Nikon will be expanding wireless features in it's future products.

I would love to have it, it is a must have item for me, I wonder if that Ipod/Iphone remote app would work directly with the camera without a computer like you need now

Pete

The HDR crowd would have a field day with something like that.