closing this for 24h to calm down. I understand that some ppl have too much money to spend on the cameras and demand new products, but the truth is current nikon lineup can satisfy a variety of photogs, which couldn't be spoken about previous canon lineup.

sevencrossing said:
BOSS

What exactly is wrong with current line up FF Nikons

Rugged high quality camera with high ISO for those of us who do not shoot video D700

Extremely rugged high quality camera, for thoes who want video, lots of buttons and very high ISO D3s

Lots of mega whatnots buttons and Video D3x

Plus 1!

BrownewellPhoto said:
I have to disagree with you on a point Kyosh. At the end of the day, the quality of your images is what determines what gear you need. Even the lowly d3000 has a 10.2 mp sensor which I suspect comes from the d200.

One of the better photo studios in my area uses a d200 at weddings (as backup/second body)as well as for product. Most people don't print much past a 16x20 and that sensor still works on that image size.

Is the form factor of the d3000 crap; of course. Does it have the buffer, buttons, dials, etc, that I like to use; lord no. The image quality is probably no where near what the d300/700/3 bodies are (I've never used one so I don't really know). Would I buy one to use professionally; possibly, depending on what I was doing. Quite honestly, for the low resolution product work, I'd be happy enough using a d90 and saving $1000.

Bottom line, if the body does what you need it to do and produces images that lead to more work or income, why spend thousands more on features you won't use? I never bought an F/FM series bodies past the 2's because I didn't need AF and could do everything I needed to (at the time) using the old bodies and Vivtar 283's. I saved a bunch of money by not buying the newest equipment.

Absolutely. I don't want to get in to the "what makes a camera professional or not" debate, but there are VERY few people who's photography is being held back by a D700/3s/3x. And many who earn their full time living from using D3000/5000/90s. It all depends on what area your in. All I can say Boss is that yours must be mighty specialised to have out grown Nikons current offerings.

I have to disagree with you on a point Kyosh. At the end of the day, the quality of your images is what determines what gear you need. Even the lowly d3000 has a 10.2 mp sensor which I suspect comes from the d200.

One of the better photo studios in my area uses a d200 at weddings (as backup/second body)as well as for product. Most people don't print much past a 16x20 and that sensor still works on that image size.

Is the form factor of the d3000 crap; of course. Does it have the buffer, buttons, dials, etc, that I like to use; lord no. The image quality is probably no where near what the d300/700/3 bodies are (I've never used one so I don't really know). Would I buy one to use professionally; possibly, depending on what I was doing. Quite honestly, for the low resolution product work, I'd be happy enough using a d90 and saving $1000.

Bottom line, if the body does what you need it to do and produces images that lead to more work or income, why spend thousands more on features you won't use? I never bought an F/FM series bodies past the 2's because I didn't need AF and could do everything I needed to (at the time) using the old bodies and Vivtar 283's. I saved a bunch of money by not buying the newest equipment.

Holy spaz. Seriously. From the level of rage spewing from you in that post one would expect to see an array of amazing professional level photos on your page to justify your childish tantrum. I did not. Go buy a Canon already.

As a professional (one who makes a living ff photography) the d3100 and D5100 could never be used professionally but I Disagree on the D7000. While it is on the bottom and not good for some uses (so not fully pro) it is better for many uses (and has a larger and more useful toolset) than the fullframe 5Dmk2 of canon. It lacks little (Pc sync, AF array selector, Prophoto color-space, large buffer) and other than the obvious benefits of full-frame is good enough to be a pro camera. I shoots sports and I prefer it over every other Dx body (and I shoot 100% manual to top it off) It is so good at what I use it for that I refuse to buy a Fx camera until they can stuff the magic from a D7000 into a D700.

With that said, I do agree with you as an Fx camera is what you need (Good work btw). I can understand your frustration as Nikon really has bad pr and I've been waiting as well. In fact I solely believe its Canons marketing and pr that gives them the edge as most of their cameras and lenses are pretty subpar (except the megapixels). Hopefully they announce soon...

Boss, welcome to the forum. I checked out your website and I think you've got amazing talent. Do you really have clients suggesting that your equipment isn't up to snuff or is it that you're worried other photographers are going to be able to outshoot you with some new gear? I don't think you have to worry about that.

If you're worried about video, BP has a good suggestion to check out another system. Based on previous efforts, Nikon doesn't seem to be prioritizing video capability. I'm not saying I think it won't come, but if you think you're losing business while waiting then maybe you shouldn't be waiting. ;-)

Call it my ego or whatever, but I think it's fairly easy to argue that today's entry level cameras outperform previous pro cameras in the most important ways. What matters is what makes it to the print or screen, and even if it bothers you to think there might be something out there that's better than your gear, that doesn't mean your clients are going to worry about it the same way you do.

Boss, there's no need to get all worked up.

On some issues, I fall into the same boat as you. I'm waiting for my d300 to burst into flames from overuse. I certainly don't want to buy a d700 only to have it replaced next month. I don't know that I won't buy a used d700 once the d800 comes out (or a d3s when the d4 hits the market), but I want to be able to compare the specs. If the d800 seems worth it, then I'll buy the d800, if not, I'll buy a d700. I won't make a decision until next year when the busy season starts to pick up.

That said, apart from video, if you're being ripped apart by the competition in the area, who all seem to be shooting 3-4 year old Canon's, the d800 won't help you much.

Let me put it like this, most photographers in my area shoot with d700/3/3s. They need the latest lenses with VR(II) and high ISOs because they never learned how to hand hold a lens at slow shutter speeds (lower ISOs). I am able to keep up with them shooting my d300 because I worked on my holding technique.

No amount of gear will make you a better photographer. Good gear can make up for some bad technique, but it can't help bad photography skills (composition, lighting, etc).

Out of curiosity, what is it that you shoot? Maybe you would be better off with a dedicated video system and leave the stills for a dslr?

Ok. So I waited a day to respond. So here goes...

Tao: To your first response with a forum thread, I took it as if you were putting me in
Some inhuman, unconcerned, bracket. You couldn't be further from the truth. I have experienced
First hand the effects of natural disasters in Texas, it's rough. It's work. It kills people. I am not saying
let's work through funerals and skip clean up to put out a new product. I am talking about a company who is
MUCH bigger than the manufacturing side of the business. A company who still has a responsibility to try and retain current
customers through product, information, and momentum. I am not a weekend warrior. I am a professional who makes 100%
of my living through day in day out photography. That being said, to respond to your second post about all the new gear nikon has announced,
Maybe you should have re-read my initial post. FULL FRAME!!!! PROFESSIONAL!!! Not a bunch of entry level dslr's!!!! Every product you mentioned is ENTRY LEVEL!!! Sorry to burst all you guys bubbles that THINK your d3100,5100,and 7000 are pro cameras, BUT THEY ARE NOT!!! I am frustrated as a PROFESSIONAL!! I bought the "holy grail" d7000 when it came out for a backup/video camera.... It is SUB-PAR!!! It is entry level. Sorry if that hurts your little egos! As to your comment about no company doing what we are asking us for, which is information about how nikon is going to remain the leader in technology and continue to outperform the competition..... You are FOOLISH!!! I can name countless companies that talk about there future and keep their clients informed. How about apple, Sony, and our biggest competitors.... CANON!!!! The guys that are TODAY leading the pack for the future. Even if it's not in their hands, they have said, don't worry, it's gonna have specs close to this..., it's gonna work close to this...., and it's gonna beat everything in the market!!!! This brings me to my next point... If you are a professional. At anything. Guess what we have? COMPITITION!! Maybe you don't, find a different thread. I said FULL FRAME!! I'm talking professionals. I am at constant compitition with canon guys, and canon products. If I can't have the best equipment, I am losing an aspect to my competition.
Now. Seven and Casper: what's wrong with current line up? Here is your list, since you apparently don't keep up.
D700 which I own... Hello video? Duh! Just incase you haven't noticed... Here is a memo. Professional photography is merging with VIDEO... If you choose not to atleast add some form of fusion of still/motion to your clients, you are as dumb as the guys that said digital is a fad. And guess what. Your probably still saying "say cheese"!!! Before every picture you take! Should I mention the single card slot? What about the built in grip and second battery? And one more thing.... How about the megapixels? Remember, we are talking full frame professionals here. What about the d3s? Sorry, but where did the extra $2200 go from the d700? In video?, That is SUB-PAR? You don't see or hear any professionals raving about it's video quality. And the d3x: $8000 ?!?!? Listen I've shot it. And the iso is not worth$ 5500 over it's entry level pro d700? And who in there rightmind would buy such an expensive item this close to a typical announcement of new product. It is time for a FF. Period
To tcole: people just have too much, and don't have patience??? Seriously. Again. It's called competition. It's called being the best. And if my competition has better equipment than me, than that leads to advantage, and shoot me if I am asking to have as much advantage as the other guy. clients want the best... Like it or not, equipment helps u be the best. Or behind...
To the man: There's no advantage to advertising a product months early?...the buzz will die???? Huh? What tree did u fall out of? Just like the presidential elections and numerous other things... It is only normal to familiarize yourself in what your putting your trust into plenty ahead of time. And yes, there are thousands of companies that announce at least technology and upcoming additions. Maybe all of your egos won't let you admit it, but saving up some cash to drop in the multiple thousands is a good reason to announce early also.
Back to Casper: I do use all the features. And I want more. Always. I want all I can get. Especially if the COMPITITION has it.
To nsxt: troll this..... U don't know me. Don't make assumptions.

Listen. Don't be haters. If it doesn't ruffle your feathers that another company is advancing faster than one you've spent tens of thousands of dollars with..... Ur not in it to be the best.

kyoshinikon said:
(and deciding whether to pull the trigger on the hello kitty gun) :P

Oh... does he have a Nikon 1 then?

(sorry, couldn't resist that).

As much as I'm following all the updates here and on photorumors and canonrumors to know what's going on with cameras and what's coming up, I can't help but be in no rush to buy a D400 or D7100 or D9000 or D800 or D4 or AF-S 50mm/f1.2 or some other ultra shiny thing. I've got plenty of capability and versatility and would rather be bothered shooting my D7000 + old film EL and FG + however many older or newer lenses I use than be bothered working myself up over there being no D800 to be announced and then working myself up trying to save money and get on the waiting list to get it whenever production gets rolling. There's plenty of stuff out there to take photos of!

Stephensong said:
What I do not understand is the lack of this industry’s openness to announce up and coming products.

There is not a single consumer tech company (and almost every other company in the world is the same) that does what you desire.

"Putting clean diesels in the US market." That announcement is just like Nikon saying they will start selling cameras in Japan then the UK and then shipments will go to the USA. (They actually do release that most times.) Auto manufactures don't show their updated designs until they are ready to release the car, just like Nikon doesn't release it's specs. Welcome to the reality called business.

Stephensong said:
What I do not understand is the lack of this industry’s openness to announce up and coming products. For example, in the auto industry Mercedes and BMW informed the press that they would be putting clean diesels in the US market.

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I can see it, Mercedes diesel powered camera, 550 hp camera with eight speed automatic everything.

So, what is it in the present lineup that you do not want, do you use all the features on your present camera, do you even shoot raw.

gimmie a break

boo

Stephensong said:
In the auto industry Mercedes and BMW informed the press that they would be putting clean diesels in the US market. They did this two years prior to offering these cars for sale.

What is the big secret?

Auto industry releases info they need to align their suppliers, customers, and government to their schedule. The industry has to all move the same way in some sense on things like fuel efficiency, what kind of fuels, etc. However, they are very careful not to disclose their actual product designs because it reduces the excitement (press coverage) when they release product to market and tips their hands to competitors giving them . There's no advantage announcing a product months early unless you need the market to know to look for it. You lose the buzz you would other have gotten right before people can buy the product. So basically your complaint is Nikon is not STUPID. I'm actually happy about that one.

SLACKING?

What was all released in the last year - 18mths?
Bodies
D3100, D5100, D7000, J1/V1 - whole system,
Lenses
55-300mm, 28-300mm, 16-35mm, 24mm f/1.4, 24-120mm, 40mm Macro, 50mm 1.8G, 200-400mm VRII, 85mm f/1.4G
Add the SB-700

Add to that the D700, D3s and D7000 were sold out almost the whole time.

I'm not sure if I have ever seen Nikon release so much.

iris chrome said:
Is anybody else also getting the feeling that we've been abandoned... by the powers that be?

Terminator is probably watching (and deciding whether to pull the trigger on the hello kitty gun) :P

I will admit to being frustrated about the delay as canon seems to have played their card. An announcement never goes into production immediately so you would think they would play a card to make people happy. There are many waiters outside of NR believe me.

I too am waiting as I want to get a D4 or D800 (next generation fx camera). Unlike trolls however I will patiently wait and enjoy the nikon's I already shoot with.

I do in a way hate when people give me personally (true that many others need the argument) the "why don't you buy the D3s now argument if you want fx" and after owning a D7000 I know I want that in the body of a D3 with a bigger buffer. I can wait and I don't make enough to by a new fx body every 5 months...

TaoTeJared said:
Welcome to the forum. I believe this previous topic covers what everyone feels on here.

http://nikonrumors.com/forum/topic.php?id=4214

NSXType-R said:
Guys... don't feed the trolls.

Is anybody else also getting the feeling that we've been abandoned... by the powers that be?

What I do not understand is the lack of this industry’s openness to announce up and coming products. For example, in the auto industry Mercedes and BMW informed the press that they would be putting clean diesels in the US market. They did this two years prior to offering these cars for sale. Why would Nikon not preview their future products? Canon has released their latest pro body and several stores are taking pre-orders even though it will not appear in stores for many months.

What is the big secret? Nikon cannot think that Canon will steal its designs or features and beat them to market. I think that Nikon is just hurting themselves with this business practice and when coupled with their great D3x and D3s always out of stock (this was prior to any natural disasters) creates a liability.

Are you planning to buy it?

Guys... don't feed the trolls.

I wouldn't call is slacking when you have two major natural disasters in a year that impact two of your production plants. Bad luck is more like it. It has just caused delays, but Nikon still has great equipment.

People just want too much all the time and have no patience...I bet it won't be 6 months after the D800 or D4 (or whatever they call them) are released that someone will be wanting a D900 or D5 with 50 MP and 10 memory card slots that shoots 3D video like $100,000 video cameras....sorry /end rant

BOSS,

I feel your frustration, but I can't help but wonder - what's wrong with Nikon's current pro gear? Nikon STILL has the best bodies in the biz for still photography, the best flashguns and the best glass(in most situations). If you need really good video, the D7K is also there. The new FX cameras are coming, trust me. Just because Canon is dropping product announcements like bombs, doesn't mean Nikon is sleeping. The 1D-X wont even be available until March of 2012. Nikon with bring the D4 to the game and then change the game, like they always do. Let Canon have some fun for now. The D800 will probably drop in the very near future, too.

The flooding in Thailand is going to take a toll on Nikon's production of DX DSLRs and lenses as well as parts that are likely used in the FX line, like CMOS sensors...etc. That is going to leave a mark that will last through the end of the year. But, Nikon will recover nicely, they've got plenty of practice in disaster recovery/implementing contingency plans, this year.

sevencrossing said:
BOSS

What exactly is wrong with current line up FF Nikons

Rugged high quality camera with high ISO for those of us who do not shoot video D700

Extremely rugged high quality camera, for who want video, lots of buttons and very high ISO D3s

Lots of mega whatnots buttons and Video D3x

.
well said sevencrossing

BOSS

What exactly is wrong with current line up FF Nikons

Rugged high quality camera with high ISO for those of us who do not shoot video D700

Extremely rugged high quality camera, for thoes who want video, lots of buttons and very high ISO D3s

Lots of mega whatnots buttons and Video D3x

Well, it's not like they were putting out FF cameras every year or anything. There will undoubtedly be something released next year. "All we really know is that your underwater and now behind" Well, being under water multiple times in a relatively short time span is sizable issue. Can't really be frustrated by that, only concerned. It's not as if Nikon is years behind in a release. Canon's camera is coming next year. So will Nikon's. Just sit tight. I just look forward to the announcements, regardless of company, from a tech geek aspect and that it's exciting on all sides (Nikon, Red, Canon, etc). Plus I like seeing the images that pros or experienced shooters put out with the new tech.

Welcome to the forum. I believe this previous topic covers what everyone feels on here.

http://nikonrumors.com/forum/topic.php?id=4214