Gentoo said:
Haha that was me!

Yes, I remember now!

Yeah, maybe you wouldn't want the 200-400 anymore after the review?

NSXType-R said:
Didn't someone on this forum want a 200-400 F4 but went for a 300 2.8 instead?

Haha that was me!

ted2001 said:
I like Thom quite a bit for his thoughtful reviews. Makes me want a new 100-500 or redone 80-400 that much more. I wonder why his results were the best with D90 and D300 bodies, that's not what I would have expected. Since I have no plans for an African Safari, I can take the lens off my wish list. Not going to be a lens I want for landscape work.

Thanks, I hadn't checked Thom lately.

Better AF systems in those two cameras. Well kind of. The D90 uses the same AF system as the D200 which is shared by at least one of the D2 series so I don't know really.

I'm really glad I got the 300 2.8 now and in a way glad I got the older AF-S version. It seems that the newer lenses Nikon makes often are lacking in something in order to update something else. That distance issue would drive me crazy. I shot some Bison in San Francisco (don't ask, I have no idea why they're where they are) and they were a good distance away from me in their paddock. I was pleased with the results.

This Bison was definitely more than 300 feet away. From what Thon said the 200-400 certainly would not have achieved results like this. Wow and that was my dream lens at one time.

That sounds very familiar. About 6 months ago?

Didn't someone on this forum want a 200-400 F4 but went for a 300 2.8 instead?

I like Thom quite a bit for his thoughtful reviews. Makes me want a new 100-500 or redone 80-400 that much more. I wonder why his results were the best with D90 and D300 bodies, that's not what I would have expected. Since I have no plans for an African Safari, I can take the lens off my wish list. Not going to be a lens I want for landscape work.

Thanks, I hadn't checked Thom lately.

Finally, after 7 years Thom Hogan managed to write the review of this lens. As it's very well written review, and describes one of the most desired lens, I've decided to post the LINK over here.

heartyfisher said:
Thats just old elitist ideas. sharing is the way to go .. imagine thousands of alphas hacking out software to do wonderful stuff with nikon cameras. All these wonderful extra functionality for free WILL drive sales !

Like Thom Hogan road on his current page http://www.bythom.com/ , Apple has a "app" for that and they are not Iphone/Touch hacked software, would you not agree that the number one reason for the popularity of the Iphone VS any other smart phone is the 'App,s"

So why could Nikon not benefit from the open software Idea, I would certainly think that Canon would be the least likely to do it, And last time I checked Nikon is trying to become number 1 in DSLR sales. So lets Imagine the neat things that could be done with each new future Nikon DSLR with open software structure. Sales of bodies would increase, incl lenses etc, Yes other brands would be cutting in, but Nikon could also be charging a small license/patent fee for using the open software.
We could purchase TTL metering studio lights, they would pay Nikon to use the Nikon open software structure etc

Pete

heartyfisher said:
Thats just old elitist ideas.

I hope you're accusing Nikon, not Soap, here! Rockbox is my love.

Thats just old elitist ideas. sharing is the way to go .. imagine thousands of alphas hacking out software to do wonderful stuff with nikon cameras. All these wonderful extra functionality for free WILL drive sales !

heartyfisher said:
LOL ... but seriously there are dozens of things I can think of to do with my camera if I can get access via software !!

Which, unfortunately, is why it won't happen. Nikon (and they're nowhere near alone) enjoy leveraging their hardware lock-in to drive future sales.

NSXType-R said:
Of course you need Tetris on your camera! It was specifically asked for by wedding photographers when they're really bored.

LOL ... but seriously there are dozens of things I can think of to do with my camera if I can get access via software !! Stick wifi on the camera and then give us control of every function via an API !!! wow !! My mind is racing !!! do you need me to name the dozen things we could develop for it !! Really !! no!

mb said:
No way Hose! Nikon and others will never reveal their camera firmware, and frankly only a handful of companies ever did that for any product unless the products or companies have gone out of market. < snip >
What would be nice is to publish full NEF specification for example.

A - The question wasn't "Will" but rather "Should".
B - Open sourcing the firmware isn't what is needed. Releasing documentation on the hardware so that firmware can be written would be helpful enough.
C - Yes, unencrypting the WB info would be nice. At that point they might as well go .DNG, but then they would have a harder time selling their propitiatory desktop software.

mb said:
No way Hose! Nikon and others will never reveal their camera firmware, and frankly only a handful of companies ever did that for any product unless the products or companies have gone out of market. Linksys for example has 2 versions of router firmware, striped down open source one and full blown proprietary. And it would be stupid to invest in software and then give it away for free. And do you really need a Tetris on your camera?
What would be nice is to publish full NEF specification for example.

Of course you need Tetris on your camera! It was specifically asked for by wedding photographers when they're really bored.

No way Hose! Nikon and others will never reveal their camera firmware, and frankly only a handful of companies ever did that for any product unless the products or companies have gone out of market. Linksys for example has 2 versions of router firmware, striped down open source one and full blown proprietary. And it would be stupid to invest in software and then give it away for free. And do you really need a Tetris on your camera?
What would be nice is to publish full NEF specification for example.

Open systems are great.. you never know what interesting things people will do with it! .. I wish I could get into me camera with software.. !

I agree 100%

I just know I'd love to play Peggle on my D90.

I would love to have a firmware update for my cameras every once in a while, like my Nikon point and shoots. I checked, Nikon doesn't have an official one out.

CHDK makes Canon P&S cameras twice as awesome. And that's 100% reverse-engineering. Imagine what could be done if the manufacturer played ball.
http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK

bmxdad said:
I think we would all be amassed of what software could be made if it was open like the Apple Apps. Yes some would be a complete waste of time, but others would not. What about IR mode pentax has it, on the same topic, software to make your IR converted camera work better. Better Flash control with wireless adapters etc

Pete

Yeah, it'd be pretty cool if some other company made flashes for another company Nikon's, but then were optimized with an app that they made so that it now works as good as Nikon's.

I think we would all be amassed of what software could be made if it was open like the Apple Apps. Yes some would be a complete waste of time, but others would not. What about IR mode pentax has it, on the same topic, software to make your IR converted camera work better. Better Flash control with wireless adapters etc

Pete

That'd be pretty cool. We can come up with our own firmware updates, and it would be a step in the right direction for modular cameras. (!)

For instance, I'd be able to add a time lapse feature to any camera. I wouldn't give up Photoshop just yet- it'd be nice to do HDR in camera, but I doubt the processing power will be anywhere close to being fast enough to do it in any reasonable time. Plus, a keyboard and mouse is a way better interface to edit photos than what, a couple control dials and a couple directional pads?

As a long-term advocate for open source software I agree completely. Nikon has limited software resources, since they're expensive and scarce resources. Opening software and firmware puts significant additional burdens on Nikon's engineers (providing that "tack-on" framework and documentation is not trivial), but would allow hundreds or perhaps thousands of others to contribute to new solutions and methods. Standford University has received some press about their "open" camera concept. If Nikon was smart, they approach this initiative by working with various universities.

Yes like Thom said they simply can not understand the reason for doing it, Apple does and are not hurting from it either

Pete