@ bjrichus

LOL.....but, we can always hope that Nikon will out do the Sony/Fuji cameras and at a price we can actually get one. The mention of the Mayan thing....in a strange way related to the idea Nikon is actually going to give us a camera......

msmoto said:
So, the idea of the hybrid D7000/D300s reborn into a new DX DSLR would make sense if Nikon is preparing to introduce a new camera line of mirrorless full frame or crop sensor cameras.

Admin on the main blog has said this as did the latest article so at least lets hope it's somewhat better specified than the "1" series.

Whatever, it'll be too big/small, too many/few MP, too heavy/light, too noisy/clean at high ISO, wrong body shape/great body shape, and last of all it doesn't look like a DSLR/looks like a XXX (insert brand you personally hate), so all of us will have a happy 2013 complaining about it here!

Happy whatever you celebrate at this time of year - and we all survived the Mayan thing, so be happy. :-)

msmoto said:

....Nikon may not have a pro DX body. Instead an FX sensor which will have the 16MP in DX crop mode, ISO of 12,800, and 8-10 FPS may be in the making as the replacement for the "DX Pro".

yes, for one we agree, I think it will be called the D900 :) and we may see it in 2014

msmoto said:
But, one other factor comes in...the eventual disappearance of the mirror.

again we agree, but I think it will at least 5 years before we see a mirror-less equivalent of the D4

but will it be easier for Nikon to make a mirrorless DX rather than a mirrorless FX

msmoto said:
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So, the idea of the hybrid D7000/D300s reborn into a new DX DSLR would make sense if Nikon is preparing to introduce a new camera line of mirrorless full frame or crop sensor cameras.

Good point. In which case the D4/D800 could be the last of this style of DSLR at the Pro level.

The size of the lens will come down too especially for the wide end.

@ sevencrossing.....

Well, actually I was thinking that at some point Nikon may not have a pro DX body. Instead an FX sensor which will have the 16MP in DX crop mode, ISO of 12,800, and 8-10 FPS may be in the making as the replacement for the "DX Pro".

My suspicion is that the small size of the original DX sensor was an economic consideration on the D1. If I am correct in the 1990's the Kodak digital back was about USD $15,000 and was only about 15 MP. As time has passed the ability to produce far superior sensors at far less cost has now resulted in the D600. And, it would seem to me to be a natural function to return to the format size we started with, i.e., full 24mm X 36mm frame size.

But, one other factor comes in...the eventual disappearance of the mirror. Once the technology to obtain continuos servo focus at or better than that achieved by the D4 today, and do this electronically with no mirror. I suspect the DSLR will be a thing of the past.

We do not really know what Nikon and Canon are doing behind closed doors. But, the mirrorless camera with a DX or FX sensor will be seen fairly soon by both companies IMO.

So, the idea of the hybrid D7000/D300s reborn into a new DX DSLR would make sense if Nikon is preparing to introduce a new camera line of mirrorless full frame or crop sensor cameras.

sevencrossing said:
The D400's replacement will presumably be the D500. but what would the D500 replacement be called

LOL! you are a stirrer !!!

msmoto said:
....will actually be the D400 replacement. ....

The D400's replacement will presumably be the D500. but what would the D500 replacement be called

spraynpray said:
With the frame rate of an Uzi!

you mean it jams a lot? :-)

With the frame rate of an Uzi!

Now that we hear the rumor of the D800 size body with the D4 sensor....and the D7000 replacement will be in place of both D300s and D7000....things are getting interesting. Maybe that D800 size body with the D4 sensor will actually be the D400 replacement. I could handle this as in DX crop mode it will still be super. But, maybe what is really going to happen is a compact DX size D4 sensor.....yeah! 16 MP.

I remember my first compact camera came with a 16mb SD card and I quickly bought a 64mb SD card. It was a 3.2mp Nikon Coolpix E3700.

If I used it on the D40, in RAW it would barely take 4 photos I think. And now cameras easily exceed 64mb with RAW files.

adamz said:
IMHO, wait for d900, it may be better...

..or not.. The D900 may be a 100 Megapixel monster with 2.5FPS and 4K video.. requiring specialized $6k apiece lenses or something equally retarded to work as intended.

Sonny said:

Let's stay on topic... I had a question that was bugging me for a few days and that is if the older 50mm 1.2 is any good on D800. I was planning to get the 50mm as my "last" lens in a few years but I just want to know if the 50 1.2 is something to consider if I find one for a good price. Also I found something about "coma" and Im not sure if this applies to this lens but if so then it's probably not that useful to me.

I have an early 60's 50mm 1.4 and I use it fine on the D800. Technically the newest lenses produce better photos but when you use older lenses or the 1.2, you are going for a "Look" not technical perfection.

Of the 1.2s probably only the newest version (that is still made) would take the most advantage of the sensor. MF is hard to hit and anything off, you will see it.

Yeah I probably get the 50 1.8G anyway... It seems to me like a very good lens for the price.

Sonny said:
Let's stay on topic... I had a question that was bugging me for a few days and that is if the older 50mm 1.2 is any good on D800. I was planning to get the 50mm as my "last" lens in a few years but I just want to know if the 50 1.2 is something to consider if I find one for a good price. Also I found something about "coma" and Im not sure if this applies to this lens but if so then it's probably not that useful to me.

I can't answer that, don't own that lens. I do have an ais 50f1.4 and 50f1.8, the AFD 50f1.4 and the new AFS 50f1.8. I've accumulated these over the years because there was a time when a 50mm seemed to be sold off with every SLR on the secondhand market or maybe it was just me. Of all those lenses the AFS 50f1.8 is the best, I tried the AFS 50f1.4 at the same time but it weighed a lot more was only a little bit faster and cost a lot more. I stop down to f5.6 or f8 most of the time anyway so it was no contest. The new 50f1.8 is a no brainer it's brilliant, light good IQ. I bought the new one when I decided to go all primes.

As for the 1.2, it's only a tiny bit faster, it costs a lot more, it's manual focus only (ok by me). I have read there is a coma issue but its a really old lens design. Can't imagine why a tiny bit faster is worth it, the 1.4 is pretty good.

This topic is old I already got D800 and a Manfrotto 055CXPRO4 tripod so I think i'm golden there... :)

Sadly I can't upgrade everything at the same time (I wish I could but that would not be that much fun)

rortmanns said:
All those quoting Ken, he's a tosser. There are much better sites.

"one who suffers from chronic masturbation" ... I'm not very sure if urban dictionary helped me with that one. :)

Let's stay on topic... I had a question that was bugging me for a few days and that is if the older 50mm 1.2 is any good on D800. I was planning to get the 50mm as my "last" lens in a few years but I just want to know if the 50 1.2 is something to consider if I find one for a good price. Also I found something about "coma" and Im not sure if this applies to this lens but if so then it's probably not that useful to me.

Buy a D7000 and get 6fps, you also get 50% more reach and it's nice and light for sport events. Then you can use the D800 for everything else. The D7000 is only a little more than the grip for the D800. If you're happy with 5fps get the D5200.

If you need 36MP in actual resolution, which really requires you to use a tripod, mirror lockup etc, then you will want a very good lens to fully resolve this. In the Nikon literature that comes with the D800 there is mention of lenses they recommend but I bet they only considered current lenses. Nikon have a vested interest in trying to sell their 24f1.4 etc. When I do landscapes I do use a tripod etc and I go for my best lenses. I have also tried my 75-150E lens on my D800e and the results are stunning, are they as sharp as my 85f1.4 at f8, well no but they are still stunning quality if you take care. There is much more to a sharp image than a sharp lens. Most people don't need to resolve all 36MP, I like to get max sharpness and res for my landscapes and I've slowly migrated to all primes for that work. If I shoot a portrait, I am happy with the 75-150 hand held, the D800 is a stunning camera and out resolves the D700 even hand held.

Buy a D800 use old lenses and be happy you get 20MP in res or whatever but when you do use the best lenses you'll get the best results possible. It depends on your work if you really need that quality.

All those quoting Ken, he's a tosser. There are much better sites.

Wataru said: (There, now I have promised to use the lens and post pictures!)

Please do :) Im still not really sure what wide angle to get but i guess all i will be shooting with it will be landscape and startrails.

Wataru said:
Wide angle lenses (I use the 24 mm all the time) are glorious with FX sensors.

Yaaay :)

Glad to be reading all the content with the D600. Had Nikon shipped that camera before the D800 I would most likely have gone with it as a logical progression from my D7000. Since I have the D800 now though I will be running it as my main body for a very very long time since it is such a wonderful camera or at least my copy is. I have messed around with a few D600's at a few stores and from what I have seen it is a very very solid camera and very respectable. All those that have it enjoy and share the knowledge that you have experienced shooting with the body.

Gabandi said:
I think we should all go back to shooting 1.3 MP so we can be content with our lenses again.

heh. Sounds like Knock Renwell on DSLRs.

Seriously though, same thing happens all the time in the technical segment of any market. I am a big proponent that short of something being wrong with a lens if it shot well when it was made there is no reason it shouldn't shoot well now days. I have mentioned this many times on these forums but I have a '67 built Nikkor 55mm f/1.2 that was a fungus mess when I got it that I cleaned and reworked and have shot a lot of pictures with on my D7000 and D800 that makes fantastic images.

Nice reference wether it was intentional or not though.

chris_weinert said:
I just came across this camera review of one of the rather early-generation digital cameras, the Olympus C2000 Zoom. The camera was launched at CeBit 1999 and was available in May 1999. The review is in German only, but it made me chuckle several times, both since it's so yesterday – and because it's soooo today!

...and I bet the participants in forum threads on the topic back then were just as animated and certain of themselves as they are now! ;-/

I am new to Nikon I have been an enthusiastic Photographer for 30 years or more, I love landscape photography and candid photography, just catching the moment and I am not too keen on flash photography.
I am very very pleased with my D 600 I started out with Minolta I really the liked the qualities of their lens, so progressed to a Sony A 700 with a CZ 16 85 which I really enjoyed.
The A 700 was coming to the end of life, so I changed to the A 77 I have never had so many spoiled photos, missed focus, lots of noise and more. With careful consideration I sold all my Sony kit and got the D 600 with the 24 – 85 kit lens which I am finding pretty good when stopped down, I also purchased a 50 1.8 and an 85 1.8 fantastic lenses.
It took me a little while to get used to the menu system and the where about of things, but now I am familiar with I love it. I have renewed confidence I can go out and just take pictures knowing the camera will do its stuff and the rest is down to me.
It is not too big and heavy I do some trekking hills and mountains and other walking and just hang it around my neck with no need to take it off for a rest.
I could go on an and on about its qualities, the picture quality is to me amazing, I always shoot raw mainly aperture priority and the detail it captures especially shadow detail is very impressive, I just love it.
I am also pleased I don’t have the dust problem I have carefully examined photos for dust, speck and blotches nut can’t see anything and I have had them with the Sony cameras as to be expected, but they have always cleaned.
Reading about some of the problems some are having with dust and specks, which I now understand is becoming less of a problem as the camera is used, it would not put me of buying the D 600

I think we should all go back to shooting 1.3 MP so we can be content with our lenses again.

I just came across this camera review of one of the rather early-generation digital cameras, the Olympus C2000 Zoom. The camera was launched at CeBit 1999 and was available in May 1999. The review is in German only, but it made me chuckle several times, both since it's so yesterday – and because it's soooo today!

Listen to this:

"The new camera finally breaks a boundary in terms of resolution, as it tops the 'magic' 2-million pixel mark."

"The battery proves to be quite durable: You will rather fill up two 32-megabyte memory cards with pictures than run out of battery."

"Taking pictures is a pretty speedy process: Given individual focus and exposure values, the camera can shoot a new picture after only 3 seconds."

"Whoever wants to ensure highest quality can skip the JPEG compression and record directly in uncompressed RGB-TIFF format. In this case, images result in 5.6 Megabyte files."

So far, so good. But doesn't this sound familiar:

"Generally, the new high-resolution 2-megapixel CCDs demand remarkably higher optical quality from the lenses than it is the case with the 1.3 to 1.7 megapixel cameras. With the C2000 Zoom, we could observe light chromatic aberrations in the image corners if the motive had strong contrast in those areas."

So let me sum it up:

With the new C2000, we've arrived at a point where the sensor resolution is so high that it exposes all the weaknesses of the current lenses. It's the glass that becomes the limiting factor. But: Both the camera manufacturers and third parties have already announced to release new-generation lenses specifically designed for delivering excellent quality also with the 2-MP sensors!

Did I say C2000? I mean D800, of course. ;-)