What to expect next from Nikon

Nikon Rumors
Most of the products reported on my previous "what to expect" posts are already announced. This is an updated list on what could be coming from Nikon in the next few months:

Nikon DSLR cameras

There are few possibilities here but I do not have any good intel yet:

  • Nikon D3300 replacement (announced January 2014 ) - after the Canon T6 announcement, I think a D3300 replacement is even more likely (believe it or not, Nikon and Canon still refresh their products on a very similar schedule)
  • Nikon D610 replacement (announced October 2013, but the original D600 was introduced in September 2012)
  • Nikon D750 replacement (announced September 2014)
  • Nikon D810 replacement (announced June, 2014)

Based on the announcement dates listed above, I think the D610 and D3300 have the best chance of being refreshed next/first.

New Df-like camera is rumored for Nikon’s 100th anniversary in 2017.

Nikon 1 

After the Nikon DL cameras announcement and the fact that no new Nikon 1 products were introduced in the past 12 months, I am really not sure what is the future of the current Nikon mirrorless system. Obviously Nikon will never admit to anything or make a public statement - so we will just have to wait and see (just like the D500).

Large sensor Nikon mirrorless camera

Still no details on the rumored large sensor Nikon mirrorless camera (expected in late 2016/early 2017). There is already a patent for a 28-80mm f/3.5-5.6 VR full frame mirrorless lens. Note that the latest rumors switched from "full frame" to "large sensor" even thought "large" can still mean full frame.

Lenses

Nikon is in the process of refreshing their tele lenses with E and/or FL version - we will probably see some new tele lenses later this year. This is more of a long term goal and it will take few years until they replace all of their lenses.

If you have any additional information on the upcoming Nikon announcements, you can contact me anonymously here.

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  • Micycle

    IMO, It’s no accident that the D610 is currently discounted. Gotta clear out that old stock. We know how good Nikon is at evaluating demand and maintaining proper inventory levels 😉

    • David Peterson

      Clear out D610 stock and then the D750 takes its place at a lower price and they can bring out a D760!

      • akkual

        This is plausible. D750 has been around 1500EUR in recent sales. I would assume though that D810 will be replaced first, as the sony 36mpix sensor starts to be old and there is much better 40mpix available (in Sony A7r II).

        • HD10

          Nikon adopting the Sony 42mp sensor used in the A7R II would likely be mean that Nikon will use this in a mirrorless-EVF FX (likely in F-mount) rather than in a dSLR. This is where the integrated PDAF sensors in this imaging sensor will find the best and most logical use.

          • Actually I see two logical possibilities right now. Either they use the Sony 42mp for the D820 (or whatever the name will be), or they make a full frame sensor using the same structure as the one in the D500 (which is very good), which would give about 46mp on FF.

            • HD10

              Over an hour testing the D500 left me very impressed with the D500 and its sensor.

              If Nikon ever releases that sensor through Renesas in 24 x 36 in 47mp and in a D500 body, Nikon will have a winner DSLR on its hands.

              If Nikon releases an EVF-mirrorless FX, the imaging sensor will likely be the same as that used in the Sony A7R ii

          • Thom Hogan

            As I’ve written many times, I’ll be surprised if Nikon uses that 42mp sensor, and for a whole host of reasons. While Sony and Nikon are intertwined with sensors, you’ll note that the go different directions with sensors most of the time.

    • silmasan

      Haha, yeah it’s been at ~$1200 (equivalent) here new, full warranty. The used prices are messed up! Such a great time for beginners to go FX.

    • Tsais

      They’re calling the new one D630

  • Nick

    Admin, anything in the 135mm F2 they patented like 6 years ago? Maybe a 16-35 2.8 down the road??

    • nope, nothing

      • Nick

        Thanks! Would love to see some cool new lenses. Seems the past few have been boring and refreshes….

        • Thom Hogan

          You mean like the 300mm f/4E, 200-500mm f/5.6, and 16-80mm f/2.8-4? Not boring, not really refreshes, either. Rethinks, I’d say.

          • Nick

            Yeah the 300 added VR in a smaller package. The 200-500 is cool if you like sigma lenses and the 16-80 is an overpriced DX lens. snooze…

            • WBR

              the 300 PF is a fabulous lens. It’s simply amazing and can’t really be compared to the lens it replaced. As Thom said, it’s a rethink in design.

        • David Benson

          The 300 PF has been a game changer for my wife and I. It’s light, sharp and well balanced. My wife struggles to hand hold our 200-400 f/4 (similar weight to the 500 f/4). We’re really hoping Nikon makes more fresnel based lenses. (Which will likely involve bodily harm to our piggy banks)

      • luca

        years when 6/7 lenses were announced are very far away right now, and that’s a real pity because a modern, numerous, and updated lens system is what keeps most of brand loyalty imho …

        • ZoetMB

          That’s absolutely incorrect. While I track when the lenses are actually available for sale and not when they are announced, there were 8 lenses in 2015 (24-70 2.8, 200-500, 24 1.8, 300 E PF, 500 E FL, 600 E FL, 16-80 DX E, 55-200 DX II), 6 in 2014 (20 1.8, 35 1.8, 400 2.8 E, 18-55 DX II, 18-300 DX 3.5-6.3, TC14EIII ), 6 in 2013, 5 in 2012, 5 in 2011 and 8 in 2010. All 38 of those lenses are still “active”.

          • TylerChappell

            Perfect response to his naïve comment lol.
            Nikon has certainly been releasing far more lenses than Sony and Canon the past several years.

            • Athanasius Kirchner

              More than Sony, yes.

              Canon? They’re still more active in lens releases, not to mention they have now improved QC and reliability.

            • ZoetMB

              No, that’s not true either, except in 2012. In 2012, Canon released 12 lenses and Nikon released 5. From 2010 to 2015, Nikon released 38 and I’m pretty sure Canon released 34. Not that that matters. What matters is whether a company released the lens that you want at a price you can afford to pay and of sufficient specs and quality. No one (that I’ve ever heard of) buys every lens release.

            • luca

              Canon QC and reliability has been improved more than Nikon for sure. And Canon has more *variety* of choices in its system than Nikon. So you have more chances to find the right lens for you. That’s what makes a lens system attracting, and that’s the MAIN reason why people don’t switch: lenses and plenty of choices among them.
              And that’s why (only 1 of the many reasons) Sony system has not considered professional so far. Too few choices of native lenses. Just here under my comment there is another one who is waiting for a 132 f/2 … the last one is from 1990… 26 years ago… what are you talking about?????

          • luca

            but they are not “new” … almost the totality of them are newer version of lenses that have been already in production… newer version is not equal to new lenses. This is where Nikon suffers. There are no wide angle DX lenses since MANY years… just to mention one of the most serious deficiency of Nikon lens system … if you look at 2015 in this way you have only 2 *new* lenses: 24 1,8 and 16-80, which FINALLY gets the low limit of 16 after YEARS how having 17/18mm . Same in the past years. Things must be considered deeper …

            • ZoetMB

              Canon does exactly the same thing. They’re on “version 2” or “version 3” of many lenses. Nikon has 16 DX lenses and Canon has 13 APS lenses. But if you think Canon is doing a better job, fine, dump Nikon and buy Canon. Everyone is entitled to the choice they think is best. Many great photographers use Canon.

              As far as wide-angle DX is concerned, I bought the 12-24mm. Great lens.

              And the reality is that in 2015, the average number of lenses sold per body (including kit lenses) according to CIPA stats was only 1.64. Most amateur consumers never buy anything past the kit lens they got with the camera.

              Nikon’s got 89 current lenses in the line. I haven’t rechecked Canon in a while but the last time I checked, they had about 80 with 2 of those probably discontinued. While they might each have a few holes, that should be enough lenses for anyone. I’m far more concerned about the overall quality of the lenses they produce rather than seeing new lens types. As just one example, Nikon needs to replace the 70-200mm 2.8.

              And see Thom Hogan’s post below.

            • luca

              what Thom said is exactly the same of me. Many Nikon lenses are “boring” … which is, in other words, what I stated: there is no innovation but just reiteration. The total of DX or FX lenses doesn’t make any difference because many lenses are practically the same of their cousins. and it’s not a matter of switch brand, I’m happy with what I have and I’m not a fanboy. But if Nikon introduces a professional DX body, like D500, and still there is no wide prime DX lenses, there is something wrong. There is no 135 f/2 (or closer) in G series or new E series. No 11-24 FX, no fisheyes in FX, no 17 TS in FX, and no TS at all in DX, there is no 16-35 f/2,8 (which would be much more interesting than f/4 and less dangerous to carry than 14-24). And we had to wait till last year to have a full series of f/1,8 prime lenses in FX, which are good quality but not as expensive as the f/1,4 counterparts.

              Sigma is more innovating than Nikon. Their 18-35 f/1,8 is great and its FS counterpart even better. Nikon should risk a bit more …

    • Sashimi

      still waiting for the 135 f/2 :'(

      • T.I.M

        What about the AF-s 200mm f/2 ?
        The sharpest Nikon lens ever made !

        • Sashimi

          135≠200

          Have you seen the size (and price) of the damn 200 f/2 ??

          Sharp ? so what ?

          • T.I.M

            I use the 200mm f/2 for portraits more than I use my 85mm f/1.4
            The bokeh of the 200mm is fantastic.
            And the 1.9m minimum focusing is also helpful for wildlife.
            D800+SB900+AF-s 200mm f/2+ AF-s x1.7

            • Matt_XVI

              I’m surprised you’d be using an SB-900 at 340mm equivalent.

            • T.I.M

              The SB-900 have a zoom head that adapt to the lens focal (from 17mm to 200mm I believe)
              I use flashes for 90% of my outdoor pictures.
              When you use a telephoto with flash, it’s better to move away the flash(s) and use a wireless commander to avoid red eyes.

            • Sashimi

              The watermark is out of focus

            • Sashimi

              200mm and 85mm give completely different portraits (perspective-wize).
              Also, you’d need to radio control your model if you were shooting full body portrait at 200mm !

              Differences between lenses doen’t boil down to sharpness and bokeh…

              (also, most decent tele-photo lenses have a foreground focussing threshold)

        • Nick

          it is, I’ve got the VR2 but it’s impractical for weddings and shooting around town. a 135 would probably be 1/3 the weight and 1/4 the cost! Doesnt need VR, and I don’t care it the aperture even works I’d only use it at f2 like the 200.

          • T.I.M

            Same for me, I never use the VR on that lens but I turn it on time to time just to make sure it works and does not get stuck overtime.
            That is the only Nikon lens I own that get maximum sharpness wide open.
            (the 400mm f/2.8 is the best at f/4, but it’s mainly du to the air diffraction between the lens and the subject, indor at close focusing, it is sharp wide open).

        • ZoetMB

          It better be for $5700.

        • TylerChappell

          I’d love to have that lens. But alas, my 85 f/1.8G and 70-200 f/4G I just bought yesterday will have to suffice for my portrait work until then. How much would you anticipate an updated 135mm f/2 or f/1.8 to cost? $1000? $1200? $1600? Or would I be way off? Would a person just be better off getting one of the DC’s?

          • T.I.M

            I have no idea if Nikon will update the 135mm f/2
            The 200mm f/2 is a fantastic lens, and with the x1.4 & x1.7 Nikon converters, you get a great telephoto lens.

          • Nikon1isAwesome!

            The DC lenses are fantastic. I would not wait, and after they’re discontinued you can sell them for a high percentage of what you pay for them.

      • DrNo666

        There are some primes that the market isnt that big for. So they havent updated them but they should. 14, 16fish, 105, 135, 180, 200mm macro. Besides from that i want to see more PF versions.

    • Scott

      135 mm f2.0 is the one I want.

      • Nick

        How do we all band together and tell Nikon to make one?

        • T.I.M
          • silmasan

            Yes, the David Coulthard editions have their own faithfuls too. They have special rendering and look if you’re big on portraits.

          • Spy Black

            I believe they’re asking for a modern lens. The only real-world option for that at this time is the manual focus Samyang, which happens to be one of the sharpest 135s and no aspheric elments for exceleent bokeh.

            • Max

              I watched a review on that by the angry photographer the other day. He says it’s one of the best lenses for Nikon out there.

            • Thom Hogan

              Yes, but.

              A 135mm f/2 is basically the fixed 200mm for the DX crowd, and the old screw drive motor is the real liability for the 135mm DC.

            • FountainHead

              The Zeiss kicks arse.

            • Spy Black

              That’s not a real-world option. I have seen a comparison to the Zeiss, but the Samyang impresses on it’s own.

            • silmasan

              Well, if it’s an important focal length for you (as in you use it often) you’re going to appreciate the better focusing mechanism and build quality of the Zeiss. As for sample variation, I’m not sure about the Samyang, I’ve seen different results.

              However no AF on either is why many would pay for $1700~2000 for a killer 135 (AF-S). There’s going to be a big price gap with the old one I’m sure.

            • Spy Black

              “…you’re going to appreciate the better focusing mechanism and build quality of the Zeiss.”

              I’m going to appreciate the price/performance of the Samyang even more. ;-). I’m personally not really on the prowl for a 135, I still my old 135mm f/2 AI Nikkor that I bought in the late 70s. Although no match for sharpness wide open compared to the modern optics, it has an interesting rendering nonetheless, and is tack sharp from f/4 on.

            • Sashimi

              Oh please don’t get me started on the utter stupidity of a fast manual focus lens on a high pixel count digital camera with no stigmometer available. (and no, I see the bullshit answer coming already, you do not have eagle sharp sight)

            • FountainHead

              Well then I guess your coolpix is calling you. Enjoy.

            • Sashimi

              Wtf?

    • Daniel Högberg

      Who cares about a Nikon 135mm f/2.0 when Samyang already made a perfect and cheap alternative? Then Samyang is absolutely amazing wide open!

      • Nick

        You can’t be serious? It’s not even autofocus. Do you think any professional is putting a Samyang lens on their D5 to shoot once in a lifetime events? I would say you’re dreaming

  • TO-DOUG

    Regarding the Nikon 1 system, here’s my serious suggestion: Nikon should just make more of the V2 cameras, possibly with and updated sensor and processor – and a proper hot shoe. It had everything! Built-in grip, SD cards, built-in flash, built-in EVF. Some trolls thought it was ugly. So what? You take pictures WITH a camera, not OF a camera! The real hot shoe (not the mini one on the V’s so far) would allow the V2+ to use one of the smaller current Nikon flashes. Even some of the Coolpixes had full-size hot shoes, after all.

    • pedantic_brit

      i largely agree with this – the V3 adds some nice fearures – more controls, tilt screen etc but the V2 felt good in my hand. Not wild about the unique battery though. At least the V3 uses the same battery as my Coolpix A. A return to the EN-El15 like the V1 would be a plus.

    • The V2 kept its price quite high, even after the V3 came out and despite its kind of woeful sensor. I agree with both of your points (hotshoe, battery, new sensor).

    • I’m with you – still use my V2, but wishing for a BSI sensor inside. The grip is fantastic, especially when I got larger F mount lenses on it. I got my money ready to burn on a V3 successor but I guess Nikon gave up just when things were going right with their 1″ line.

    • Spy Black

      Flashes aren’t the only thing you can put on hotshoes. 😉

      • TO-DOUG

        True. If you want to put Nikon’s stereo microphone (ME-1) on a Nikon 1 camera, you need to first buy a $30 adapter (Nikon AS-N1000) that fits into the mini-hotshoe. But even that contains no electronics; it makes a mini-hotshoe into a regular cold-shoe. So you can’t use that adapter to attach a functioning small Nikon flash unit. Other than the FT-1 lens adapter, Nikon didn’t really think through the opportunity to make Nikon 1 an extension of the Nikon experience, for those who already own Nikon DX or FF gear.

    • Richard Saunders

      I agree; love my V2 but wasn’t crazy about the V3 so decided to skip it.

      A V2 body with the sensor from the J5 would be perfect.

  • In other words, we have few slow weeks ahead of us. For those new to the blog, this is normal – after every major announcement and especially after the end of the financial year (March 31) things will be slow. I expect significant in the summer before the Photokina show (September).

    • Stephen Corby

      Well keep us updated with D5 and D500 reviews to pass the time!

    • Eric Calabros

      Surely they don’t announce another DSLR while haven’t shipped the already announced ones. But if they want to dedicate Photokia to something big, that will be D850 only show. D650/D3500 should come before that.

      • Dino Brusco

        Yes, although I’m not sure what Nikon will choose to do.

        Even before reading this post and its comments, I was already sure (or ready to bet on it) that between Photokina and next CES we’d have seen something coming in terms of DSLRs – at the time I expect something like a D700 first and then the successor of Df2 (or whatever vintage/commemorative model will be) to be released within July 2017 (Nikon 100th anniversary)
        In this respect I’ll probably rework heavily all my assets but at the moment of course I (we all) have to wait and see. The good news is that I have no rush.

        • Thom Hogan

          Df successor isn’t until early 2017. D3300, D5500, D610, D750, and D810 are all due for refresh, and J5 and V3 are, too, if Nikon is going to continue the Nikon 1 line. There’s a lot to manage in a short period.

          • Dr_Bonk7

            Curious your thoughts on what a D610 and D750 refresh would look like…e.g: increase the buffer/frame rate etc?

            • Thom Hogan

              I’m not sure what Nikon will do here. There are two semi-obvious routes they could take this year.

              1. D650 24mp, D760 36mp or 20mp, D850 52mp
              2. D610 replaced by entry mirrorless, D750 iterated in place, D850 52mp with D5 generation stuff

              The real question is what Nikon will do about lenses (e.g. new mount versus stay with the F mount). That probably determines which way they will end up going, and there could be other routes than what I note above.

            • Eric Calabros

              Even Sigma was smart enough to keep their legacy mount. It will be big fail to ditch the F

            • Thom Hogan

              As I’ve written many times, that’s the conundrum Nikon is in. Sony’s in the opposite conundrum.

              If you make a new mount, you need a full set of new lenses, and those lenses aren’t going to be smaller or lighter for any given sensor size. If you stay in the old mount, you can’t make the body thickness small, so you might as well extend the hand grip out and make a DSLR-like body with a really deep indent between grip and mount.

              Nikon’s always had a tension between legacy and new, so much so that they don’t generally spend much time marketing the legacy aspect (I mean, we’ve got 40 year old lenses that work amazingly well on a D810, after all). But it’s highly implied, and every time they start to break that, they get a lot of flack back (witness the removal of the in-body focus motor).

              That last bit, by the way, is the reason why I’m fairly certain that any new Nikon mirrorless effort will be consumer upwards, not replacing the workhouse enthusiast bodies.

            • Eric Calabros

              If DPR test of X-Pro2 AF performance is proof of something, its that any mirrorless with current tech can’t be more than consumer upwards.

            • Thom Hogan

              As I’ve been trying to say for some time, PD has geometric limitations. These differ on sensor versus via mirror. The discrimination seems lower via sensor, which is why some companies use a CD followup to PD (Sony), or avoid the PD entirely for most lenses (Olympus).

            • Riley Escobar

              Give me a mirrorless FX with a shorter F mount and adapter, and I’ll finally upgrade from my D3.

            • Thom Hogan

              That seems like a strange upgrade path.

            • Riley Escobar

              I’m done with big cameras. My needs have changed (and the D3 still works), now I’m looking for something smaller, lighter, and can work with my existing Nikon lenses and with adapted lenses.

            • Thom Hogan

              But just going from a D3 to a D750 is a big size and weight change. The lenses aren’t going to change in this scenario you envision.

              While technically you can make smaller FX mirrorless bodies than the D750, having used them, I’m not sure that’s a true advantage or not. You end up with tiny controls and buttons, and I can say that I haven’t really many glove-friendly mirrorless camera yet.

              So I just don’t get this penchant for wanting Nikon to make FX mirrorless. Oh, wait, I do. Sony’s marketing has succeeded.

            • HF

              There is still the option to make FX mirrorless, but keeping the body size 😉

            • Thom Hogan

              Sure, but then what is the advantage of going mirrorless?

            • HF

              No AF-fine tune, for some WYSIWYG, histogram in VF, focus magnification, eye-AF (that really is something which changed my type of photography), face-registration,… I use both systems, so making use of strengths when needed.

            • Thom Hogan

              We’re now in an era of auto fine tune; Live View is WYSIWYG (and has histogram); histogram in optical VF is possible, though not yet done; face recognition focus is now performed on all high end Nikon bodies in the auto modes, with eye detection. Again, I don’t see the need to move to mirrorless.

            • HF

              I need to see auto fine-tune working as advertised to be convinced here. If it works for all subject distances and focal lengths in a zoom, that would be great. I still can’t image this to happen in the D500, but who knows. LV is fine for landscape work on DSLRs, but Nikon’s LV is still too slow to be useful during action for me. Face detection in group AF works good but not perfect on D810 and D750 (but you don’t get any visual confirmation) and is restricted to AFS. I doubt that the RGB metering sensor had high enough resolution to provide reliable eye-AF, so far. Here the A7rii is in an other league, imo. Maybe the new generation (D760, D820 whatever) close the gap.

            • Thom Hogan

              So, if the A7rII works for you, just switch. The fact that you haven’t tells me something.

              I think that expecting Nikon to produce a mirrorless camera that equals the existing DSLRs is a bit of a stretch, in all respects. Such a product would signal the end of DSLRs, after all. Whether Nikon could hold its current market share is questionable. In essence, the minute Canon/Nikon say that mirrorless = DSLR, that’s the minute they essentially say “our competitors were right, and they got there first and have more history with it.”

              Personally, I think that everyone waiting for a Nikon mirrorless DX/FX camera is probably going to be disappointed when it shows up. There really are only two possibilities, after all: (1) it sneaks in at the consumer end and has consumer features and performance; or (2) it completely replaces high-end DSLRs, and at high-end DSLR prices (less cost for the same price means more profit for Nikon ;~).

              Look, I understand the “right tool for the right job” thing. Right now I have four “levels” or “types” of tools that make my bag based upon what I’m doing. But I think the number of folk doing that are small. The big market that Nikon needs (5m+ ILC units/year) isn’t going to settle for that. So we get back to choice 1 or 2, above.

              I’m betting that if Nikon does decide to go mirrorless, it will be choice 1. Canon’s already started down this road with the EOS M, and so far it’s clearly choice 1 for them.

              Thus, I’m back to what I wrote earlier: just switch fully to FE and all that entails, or live with the two different tools and use them each for what they’re best at. I don’t think Nikon is going to solve your problem and get you to give up the A7rII.

            • HF

              I have to agree. And I don’t have any need for Nikon to go that FF route soon. I like my DSLRs, as I like the A7rii, each with a different purpose in mind. So living with both is exactly what we do, only that it is two bags we are using. As much as we like the A7rii (our portrait camera for fast lenses, or in churches at weddings if silence is top priority), the d810 is our favourite camera to use overall. So, we don’t intend to fully switch in the foreseeable future.

            • Tony Beach

              “WYSIWYG” is an oxymoron as far as photography is concerned.

            • HF

              That’s why I wrote “for some” ;-).

            • Tony Beach

              Then it’s not what I would call photography. Besides that, it’s only “what you get” if all you are going to do with it is look at it through the camera’s viewfinder.

            • HF

              Sure, it emulates your jpg-settings. It is sometimes nice to have. But I like the OVF, too. I have no problems switching back and forth.

            • El Aura

              Don’t know but isn’t that what you advocate?

            • Thom Hogan

              “Advocate”? No, I don’t think so.

              I “support” mirrorless. I “use” mirrorless for some things. I believe that Canon/Nikon have no choice ultimately because they have to reduce camera costs, and mirrorless is the biggest and easiest way they can do it.

              But “advocate”? Not exactly. I advocate the right tool for the right job. Often, that’s still a DSLR. Sometimes it’s mirrorless. Sometimes it’s a premium compact. At times it might even be a smartphone.

            • El Aura

              You didn’t advocate for Nikon to keep the F-mount when going mirrorless?

            • Thom Hogan

              Ah, I see where you’re going now.

              Yes, I said that would be the option that I’d take if I were in charge of the decision. The discussion, though, is about ‘big cameras.” If you assume a real right hand grip and not a bump that doesn’t perform the same, there’s no real penalty for keeping the F-mount. The D750 is a good example of that. The actual body depth not at the mount and grip is pretty close to what a mirrorless body with a short flange distance would be.

              Thing is, Nikon doesn’t get the same “adapted lens” benefit that Sony did by making a new, shorter mount depth. “Adapting” F-mount lenses to a Nikon camera seems like a step backwards as opposed to just mounting them ;~).

            • El Aura

              “there’s no real penalty for keeping the F-mount”, 4/3 seemed to have one:
              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e09c27864e77463b9165f7a4f35fbd0fda1877fe4f9096b427f92b1833c0b78c.png

            • Thom Hogan

              I believe I wrote very early on in 4/3 that the products were too big for the sensor. That Olympus was not using their “small” engineering efforts well. There’s absolutely no reason the old 4/3 cameras needed to be as big as they were.

              FX sets a higher bar for miniaturizing, and by far.

            • El Aura

              I am less worried about camera size but about lens size or in particular camera+lens size (ie, with a shorter flange distance, even keeping the lens length the same when creating a shorter-flange version of a particular lens reduces the overall depth).
              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/da2a4eac1b614840b2742578ad3c1f166f0def3389354dff01494a65091b89ac.png

            • Thom Hogan

              You can create shorter wide angle lenses with a shorter mount distance, yes. But this is a trickier thing than people think. For anything in the telephoto range, there’s no real advantage using current optical designs.

              Small size in lens is generally a tradeoff between cost and performance. It’s the old “you can have any two of the following three” problem.

              One trend I see happening, even in the DSLRs, is tightening the imaging circle. This produces clear and stronger vignetting, but since virtually all cameras now can “correct” for that, it’s no longer seen as a performance flaw.

            • El Aura

              I was always under the impression that part of the reason that almost all FF lenses (except for medium to long tele lenses) seem to have high vignetting numbers is that digital sensors have a more limited angle of acceptance. Something we did see less in APS-C DLSRs because they partially used FF lenses and partially because the longer relative flange distance (relative to sensor diagonal) limited the angle of incidence.

              I have also seen the argument that some internal lens baffles in some lenses help reducing internal reflections and veiling flare but increase vignetting.

            • Thom Hogan

              Depends on the lens design. Telephotos? No. They were always very telecentric designs. Wide angles? Maybe. Some aren’t very telecentric.

              What I’m MEASURING is smaller image circles lately. The f/1.8G primes are a good example. They have clearly smaller image circles than the older lenses of the same focal length.

              Someone will have to explain to me how baffles increase vignetting.

            • Riley Escobar

              I have small hands, and I’ve only worn gloves once while taking photos (Chicago in the winter). I’ll be selfish and say I don’t care about those of you with big hand that have to fumble with gloves 🙂 The D750 is still too big for me; give me my digital EM or FM/FE. The shorter flange distance would be the icing and allow me use all my older MF lenses.

              As for Sony’s marketing, I haven’t paid much attention to it. I’ve only held an A7 body once, and it didn’t feel that comfortable.

            • Allen_Wentz

              How small and light do you need? Check out the D500. Personally I find any smaller than D500 ergonomically unpleasant, and our existing 35mm/FX lenses can tend to be clunky on small cameras anyway.

            • Riley Escobar

              An FX version of the EM would be the right size (not just height and width, but also depth). I’d consider an FX body the size of D3200 for that matter.

              These are my needs, and I’m aware that I’m in a minority group.

            • Scott M.

              I want a D810 that can grab action like a D5 with a high FPS, like 7-8 in at least 36mps. I am so looking forward to getting my hands on the D500, which is a month away. I am very happy with the direction Nikon is now heading. How many people said they would never sell another D300 type dx camera. Well, they did.

            • Caspar Garbe

              A 20mp FX in the D500 body is all I’m asking for!!

      • Thom Hogan

        True. Nikon doesn’t like having more than two new cameras to market simultaneously. But I think that they don’t have a lot of choice this year. They seem to be trying to fit a lot into the year, and they have a lot to defend against now. I think this may be another 5 DSLR year, and that’s not considering what may or may not happen with the Nikon 1 and any other mirrorless offering.

      • Allen_Wentz

        I think Nikon should go with 36 MP 810s for 2016 because
        A) 810 is a very solid camera with the kinks worked out
        B) s version would be easy but still add value
        C) a 50 MP model in 2016 would add all kinds of engineering and marketing complexity before D5/D500 have had any kind of run at all. Given the brand loyalty at this level, cannibalization among new releases needs to be seriously planned for.

    • silmasan

      Peter, have you mentioned D610 (BNIB official) further price redux elsewhere? It seems the US prices have caught up (or down) recently. I think it’s permanent.

    • Thom Hogan

      Not exactly what I expect, Peter. I expect some announcements around the year end results, which is typically end of April, early May. Then again in August, pre-Photokina.

    • Jeffry De Meyer

      I kinda expect some more PF super tele lenses before the olympics, it is the event to push those long lenses

  • AlphaT

    Big year for Nikon.
    If Nikon is busy, it makes Admin and the site(s) busy. 🙂

  • Sashimi

    I guess still nothing new then. The interesting stuff will come from the challengers, Nikon & Canon will stick to making their usual aircraft carriers.

    • captaindash

      Size means nothing to me. Weight does tho. I’d like a full size, yet super light body. Gimme all the buttons on the outside and a large top screen, but in a weight you can pack around all day.

      • Sashimi

        if you’ve got a freaking pick-up to lug around your camera, sure you don’t care about the size. For the adventurers, weight matter, and size too.

  • T.I.M

    The D810 replacement (D850-D900 ?) will likely cost around $3995, and 6 months minimum on the waiting list.
    The 48MP sensor combined with one step ISO improvement and better exposure range would make my job easier, but that’s an other $9000 investment (2 bodies + grips and 4 extra batteries if not the same as D800 batteries).
    I expect the D850-900 to be a pro body with high quality materials.
    So even if it come out in time for my birthday, it will probably be for my 50th birthday (May 2017).
    Anyway, thank you Peter for your great job and all the great deals you post on NR.

    D800+SB900+AF-I 400mm f/2.8+AF-s x1.4

    • purenupe1

      Could you not use a slower shutter speed to blur the propellers ?

      • T.I.M

        Yes, that what I usually do when shooting airplanes/helicopters/motorcycles, etc…
        But I was shooting birds when that chopper came, so I had not much time to change settings.
        With the 560mm (400×1.4) I should have use 1/500s to get the blades moving.
        That picture was shoot at 1/2000s

        • Aldo

          It’s a helicopter TIM… not the blackbird SR-71 lol… it’s a great photo but I have to agree it looks like the chopper stalled and the crew is falling to their deaths.

          I wish I had lenses to take photos like this… maybe when the p900 goes down to 2-300 bucks I’ll pick one up.

      • captaindash

        I’m sure he can. And? Ooooh, you mean you like it a certain way so that’s how it’s supposed to be done? Gotcha.

        • purenupe1

          I meant it as if did the circumstance prevent him from doing it…he answered my question in the manner in which i asked. You on the other hand in an attempt to flame me ..just made an idiot of himself. Jerk

    • toinks

      if it would be a pro body it would probably called a D5x instead and the price would be sky high. also, has anyone mentioned a 48mp sensor yet? might have missed it. most likely they will be using the same A7rii sensor at 42mp unless sony makes a new sensor thats more than 42 or nikon makes their own.

      • T.I.M

        A Nikon pro camera is not just F6 or D5 style.
        The Nikon FA was a pro camera, the D800 is a pro camera.
        A Nikon pro camera is made with highest standards (durability, shutter lifetime, accessories, etc..)
        Hold a D5300 and a D800 in both hands and you will feel the difference.

        • toinks

          you got me confused there for a bit as I thought you dont feel the D800 was not built to pro standards and looking for a pro look body(D5, etc..) anyway, i doubt that nikon would cripple the replacement by downgrading that body design. similar to the D700 > D750 transition. so yeah, generally I agree with your statement.

    • Sawyerspadre

      So why would it have a new battery? The EN-EL15 isn’t enough?

      • T.I.M

        I don’t know if the batteries will be the same.
        But a 48MP sensor will request more processing power and the actual D800/D810 battery may not have enough.
        There is also a big chance that it will have Wi-Fi, GPS, wireless flash, all theses features need more power.

        • RRRoger

          “Get a Grip”

          One with a D5 battery would do.

        • Dino Brusco

          This would be good.

          Giving the actual Nikon lineup, I’m thinking of a frankencamera, especially because with the few i’ve already seen from Expeed 5, we can basically forget about hi-iso noise from now on. So, here we go.

          – from D810 or upper, I’d take the pro body and the ability to go *down* with iso and work without OLPF ( I don’t need any super duper MP count, though, not strictly talking at least)

          – from D5300 it’s remarkable wifi/gps/ no olpf and fully articulating screen (although this is the least of my problems, since

          – from D5/D500 would be nice the AF system, which basically sees in the dark and has a larger / wider af points coverage.

          – from DF is nice the concept/design, among other things, it’s already possible to remove two odd quirks, the MASP dial (you can basically change 1/3 to A, Manual is already available without any other letter just setting the shutter time, S and P might replace the anyway useless 2 and 4 seconds marks on the time dial; besides it’s not even necessary the front odd dial because you can simply use the rear one to make everything, since with manual settings readily available there’s no need for a second dial)

          In general, though, this is what I wish (not what I expect, sigh) from Nikon (df looking body aside) is following four “E” points:

          – same pro body with different sensors sets the price range. This makes EXCITEMENT

          – optical viewfinder optimized also for mf, large and possibly 0.8x; in the end we EXPERIENCE photography mainly from the viewfinder, right ?

          – everything done right also in the design / grip / shutter sound / material compartment, to make people ENJOY using their camera
          – EXCELLENCE in terms of operativity / workflow / effective results so that photographers’ customers are led to choose Nikon photographers *also* because of the reliability their equipment. A dream ? Maybe, but if Nikon would be ever listening, this is what I’d suggest them.

        • HD10

          The D500 using the EN-EL15 likely means that this battery will be used in other new model releases still. Newer Expeed improves battery efficiency and will help offset the load from newly introduced electronic features.

    • Erik

      Nice use of flash on that heli!

    • nwcs

      Are we back on this old joke again? Give it a rest! 🙂

    • Jeff Hunter

      Use a slower shutter speed. Prop blur looks better than no prop blur.

      • captaindash

        Another of these comments? You idiots fail to realize that it’s an aesthetic choice. Personally I like how it looks like it’s floating. I also like vary degrees in between. What I don’t do however, is act like my personal preference is the only way to do it. If I have an opinion, I’ll suggest something, but I’d not arrogant enough to assume that my version is so much better that I’ll order someone to do it differently. People like you are why I don’t like most photographers. They are pretentious stuck up dickheads.

    • ZoetMB

      I disagree. While Nikon does like to use new models to get “stealth” price increases, I don’t believe they’ll increase it from $3300 (original D810 price) and $3000 (current D810 price) to $4000 (in spite of the fact that the D810a is $3800, because that’s a niche product), especially also considering the strength of the US$ (and assuming the $/Yen relationship is still strong when it’s released). If they were really aggressive, they’d price it at $2900. I suspect they’ll price it at $3400, $3500 tops. But no need to argue about it – we’ll know which of us was correct (if either of us are) when it’s released. Nikon’s been pulling some surprises lately, so who knows?

    • Sashimi

      you finished bragging about your gear ? (especially for this very mediocre result)

    • Captain Insane-O

      When you say one step do you mean stop or 1/3rd?

      • T.I.M

        yes on stop, ISO 800 looking like ISO 400

    • Scott M.

      I like how you blurred the hummingbird wings to show motion. IMO you should try the same with the rotor. Otherwise, very nice.

  • Jonathan P Soffa

    Admin, has there been any rumors on a new 70-200?…

    • Have not heard anything, but it is a possibility.

      • Sports

        One would expect an E version soon ……
        As this lens sells in many times more copies than the superteles, such an update sounds more meaningfull.

        • Thom Hogan

          Correct. E version is in the works.

          • Eric Calabros

            Hopefully this time it’s 200mm at short distance is really 200mm.

  • I would be surprised if Nikon has any more significant DSLR announcements after the D5 and D500 in 2016. I suspect they don’t have the engineering and production resources for any more major upgrades this year. Maybe some minor ones.

    • AYWY

      Not true. They did D4, D800/E and D600 within a year. Then D4S, D810, D750 in the same year.

      • I hope you’re right but I would only expect minor upgrades to existing models.

    • Thom Hogan

      If you’re saying that they can only do two cameras a year, they might as well pack their desks up and retire. No doubt it will be a strain to do what they need to do this year, but I don’t see that they have any choice other than to step up their game.

      • Eric Calabros

        Actually in sub $1000 territory, they’ve done nothing yet. It’s amusing to see people expect them do nothing for their most important category this year.

        • Jonathan Björklund

          The new DL series!

  • Gabriel Border

    Updates to the PC-E lenses are of highest hope for me. A new 35mm and 17mm tilt shift would be amazing.

    • T.I.M

      PC-E lenses are fantastic, unfortunately most people don’t know all the advantages of theses PC-E lenses.
      D800+PC-E 24mm f/3.5 (with and without shift)

      • Gabriel Border

        Agreed, All I really care about is distortion free glass.

      • Patrick O’Connor

        You should have backed off on the shift just a tad. Perfectly vertical lines, from a perspective that wouldn’t have them, looks unnatural; as if the building were leaning forward.

        • Sashimi

          syntax error 0x590AE : you are interacting with a photogeek, not an artist.

          • Patrick O’Connor

            🙂

          • Aldo

            it’s a common error in photo blogs… otherwise it would be an oxymoron.

        • captaindash

          Straight on views aren’t bad, but when people use a 17mm up close at the corner of a building it looks like it has super unnaturally high peaks at its corners. People get a bit too obsessed with absolutely perfectly straight verticals.

          • Patrick O’Connor

            There’s no hard and fast rule. In T.I.M’s example, it’s not too bad, the average person wouldn’t know why but it would “feel” a little strange. The example you cite would be very bad.

      • whisky

        there’s an App for that.

      • vriesk

        D810 has already enough resolution for the software correction (e.g. Lightroom) to be quite indistinguishable from the actual shift lens.

        (tilt is a completely different story of course)

      • Aldo

        You know in this case… I think I like the one on the left better… I know PC-E lenses is the way to go for ‘professional’ architectural photography… but you could get some pretty darn good results with software.

    • Patrick O’Connor

      No need for a 35, just add a 1.4x TC to the 24. They really need a 17mm, though. I thought they missed the boat by not releasing one with the D800. The combination, along with their existing PC-E’s could have moved some architectural photographers away from Canon.

      • Jeff Hunter

        TCs degrade resolution. Use a D810 and crop in.

        • Patrick O’Connor

          Which reduces resolution. The method you choose depends on your output needs. If you’re taking real estate photos, your method is better. For fine art, I’d go with the TC. It’s probably 6 one, half a dozen the other.

          • Spy Black

            You also lose light with a TC, which could cost you the shot. I’d rather crop.

            • Patrick O’Connor

              Photographers are problem solvers. There is no one-size-fits-all solution. I try something. If it works, good. If not, I try something else. 🙂

            • Spy Black

              You should try a Nikon 1 camera with your FF lenses then. 😉

            • Spy Black

              You should try a Nikon 1 with your full frame Nikkors then. 😉

            • Patrick O’Connor

              If I ever run into a problem best solved by crappy photos, I’ll give it a shot. 😉
              Just kidding but, seriously, I will never shoot with a mirrorless camera. Ever!

            • Michiel953

              Good to know. Neither will I, although the X-Pro2 is tempting. From an untouched, untried distance.

            • Patrick O’Connor

              I would never suggest what anyone should use. A lot of folks really like their mirrorless cameras. If you think you’d like one, try it out for yourself.

              My reasons for not wanting one have everything to do with my personality, a bit to do with my photography and my approach to it, and nothing to do with the resulting photos.

            • Michiel953

              Ha! Same here. It’s a tempting camera but as I said, from a distance. I’ve used slrs for what? Over forty years? Starting with a Zenit EM; very dim viewfinder.

              Spending an hour with my D810, 35/1.4G and my not yet three years old twin girls in a playground this sunny afternoon, I could only wish for even better autofocus, following them around. The weight, the size, no problem. The handling, the image quality, fantastic.

            • Patrick O’Connor

              “Over forty years”…”not yet three years old twin girls”
              Did you start when you were five or maybe your wife hadn’t been born yet!? 🙂

            • Michiel953

              I became a father for the first time when I was sixty… And my wife indeed wasn’t born yet when I had that Zenit…

            • Patrick O’Connor

              They should help keep you feeling young! 🙂

            • Michiel953

              Or speed up the aging process… 🙂

            • Patrick O’Connor

              I was going to write something like that but thought it obvious to all but the most casual observer. 🙂

      • Gabriel Border

        I agree with you there. I didn’t know the 24PC-E worked with a 1.4x. I thought it only worked with the canon setup. Good to know.

        • Patrick O’Connor

          It doesn’t work with the Nikon TC OOTB. You have to modify it. It may work with 3rd party TCs.

    • Jeff Hunter

      Peter reported on a Nikon 19mm PC-E patent Nikon filed last year. That’s what I’m waiting for.

      • captaindash

        Really? Not bad. I was hoping for a 20 or 21, but I’ll take a 19. That’s my absolute wide angle limit for interiors.

    • captaindash

      I’d love to see a 20 or 21mm. For interiors, 17 is obnoxiously wide and 24 sometimes doesn’t show enough. My personal “it’s too damn wide” limit varies per room, but usually it’s around 20mm.

  • David Peterson

    Fingers crossed that the D3400 gets a little dose of D500 magic and gains 4K recording! Don’t care how bad as at least by gaining 4K it shows positive signs the D5600 will have it too which is what I really want 😉

  • trialcritic

    Wonder what the specs of D810 replacement will be and when it will come out.

    • T.I.M

      ask T.I.M

      • trialcritic

        Too many variations in specs suggested by different people

        • T.I.M

          No, I received the information last years but nothing official.
          I sell technical calibration tools for DSLR all over the world (in more than 150 countries) and a customer asked me if it was compatible with 48MP FX sensors.
          After few emails, I was able to get several specs form that customer.
          Just get a nice used D800 and go shoot !
          Even if the D850/900 is release this year, it will have a very long waiting list.

          • trialcritic

            Thx

            • nwcs

              He’s playing his usual joke. Don’t take anything he says about a D8xx successor literally.

    • Shutterbug

      The specs are obvious, except for FPS and the sensor (granted those are some pretty important specs haha).

      Looking at the D5/D500 you know what AF system, metering module, processor, connectivity, etc. that it will have with a very high degree of certainty.

  • AYWY

    I wonder if there will be a separate D6xx/D750 successor. I suspected that the D750, timed 2 years after the D600, could have been meant to be a D600S if not for Nikon management’s incompetent handling of the D600 fiasco.

    • KnightPhoto

      Keep the D760 and “D620” becomes mirrorless…

  • MichaelSNC

    All of your suggestions make perfect sense. I am hoping they will soon update the D810. Mine is great, but an upgrade would be nice. You are also right about the D3300 update. I have some friends that have just had children. They want to go from smart phones to DSLRs for kid photos (thank God) and the D3300 or replacement would work out for them. Waiting on that D5. Thanks for all you do for us!

    • Allen_Wentz

      Sic your friends on the D5xx rather than the D3xx. The value add of the movable LCD is _huge_.

  • Azalpacir Retxed

    the 007 is coming

    • T.I.M

      Let’s hope it come with a James Bond girl as a package deal !
      :o)

      • D90HEXPL

        With baddie or goodie? 😉

      • nwcs

        No, it’ll be signed by Sean Connery, the only real Bond.

    • whisky

      your post has a S P E C T R E of insincerity about it.

      • Azalpacir Retxed

        For sure D700’s replacement is coming.

    • silmasan

      There, I gave you your maiden vote. 🙂

  • blp

    there’s a typo

  • Carlo

    D5s in 2019

  • Dino Brusco

    So far then we have at least the likeliness to see 2 new FF DSLR (at least) within the next 18 months; this is definitely good. I’ll take my chance to upgrade from D600 then.

  • HotDuckZ

    Arghhh, Super, Ultra, Perfect optic 200 f/2E will come with Fluorine coat & Electromagnetic Diaphragm this year. #IAMDreaming

    • Dino Brusco

      you forgot to mention it will weigths a kilo or so instead of 3 kilos.. but will cost accordingly more..

  • SkyMeow

    Should I now totally give up my small remaining hope for D4X?

    • Yes. You can hope for D5x instead.

  • maxx

    About Nikon mirrorless FX: yes we wait and see like D500 and someone will buy Sony in the meantime.

  • Plug

    A couple of years back there was mention here of a replacement fisheye, possibly a zoom circular at the wide end. Any new hints?

  • Voltax

    Nikon 1 …. can you say samsung?

    that is what will happen with the Nikon 1 series.

    • Spy Black

      So I guess there was a connection between Nikon and Samsung after all.

  • growlingpwn

    I want too see new 70-200 2.8 whit no focus breathing its the only think i dont like about the actual one

    • vriesk

      I believe it would not be possible to keep the current MFD without focus breathing. Perheaps that justifies another 70-200mm f/2.8 version aimed at the video crowd.

      • 24×36

        The 70-200 f4 VR lens has a BETTER MFD, and manages that WITHOUT the focus breathing of the 70-200 f2.8VRII. The f2.8 just needs a redesign perhaps.

  • NAq

    FX 70-300 f/4.5-5.6 is almost 10 year old, it would need a big refresh with ‘E’ (electronically controlled iris blades), and the most recent VR technology – and of course: consistently much better image quality to adapt new sensor pixel counts.

    Another ideas to just mention: stereographic AF-S fisheye for DX and FX, apochromatic (!) primes (first: 135mm f/2.0, then: 200mm f/3.2 macro).

    I am not happy with the coma and the longitudinal chromatic aberration results of the latest f/1.8 primes as well, but i cannot hope for replacement, just noticed Sigma really does better – so i don’t expect miracles here (these things are not really important for Nikon – except in their 10000$ like lenses).

    • vriesk

      Yes, 135mm f/2.0D and 200mm f/4D Micro replacements would be very nice.

      I find 105mm too short of a distance for macro work. Sigma 150mm f/2.8 macro is usable, but could be better.

  • vriesk

    I wonder if it makes sense to refresh D750 at this point, it still seems to be the top choice feature-wise in its segment.

    At the same time, I’m quite looking forward towards upgrade of D810 with better sensor and autofocus at least on-par with D750.

    • Shutterbug

      I want them to refresh the D750 and put it in a D810 body – for many that would be the perfect camera I think. Pretty much it’s only disadvantage at the moment is the lack of a “pro” layout.

      • vriesk

        What exactly are the benefits of the “pro” layout? Bigger size?

        • Shutterbug

          Subjective of course, but with the layout matching the D500/D4/D5, users with multiple cameras can just pick up and shoot. They also have more magnesium parts underneath and better viewfinders. Using myself as an example, I have very large hands and I find the D810 is much more comfortable to hold than the D750. Also for the few remaining “true D700 replacement” complainers, the only reason they do not accept the D750 as such is the 1/4000 shutter and the body layout.

          • + better shutter (D750 having again problems with oil and dust), bigger body could better position AF module = no reflections … etc …

        • nwcs

          The only “pro” layout things I’d like to see added to a 750 update: no mode dial, properly placed AF-ON dedicated button, and circular viewfinder with built in shutter. That would really help make the successor compelling from an external layout perspective.

          • guibo

            They don’t have to trash the mode dial if they want to keep it distinguished from the true pro layout.
            Instead they could allow us to customize each of the modes to whatever we prefer, in essence many more U modes.
            Ideally that customization could be done on a computer in tabular format.

          • Aldo

            aside from the AFON button…. your wishlist is all ‘looks’ and little practicality

            • nwcs

              It depends on your intended use. For me the viewfinder shutter is very valuable, for example.

            • jarmatic

              Me too, it was a major selling point when upgrading from the D610.

        • Allen_Wentz

          What shutterbug said. What Thom Hogan calls the “cheese.” Keeping buttons, dials and menus as similar as possible to the top dawg D3/4/5 allows us to perform more efficiently (and also look more professional, which sometimes does matter) when moving among different bodies.

          • Sandy Bartlett

            I have a Ford explorer and a Mazda 3 6 speed manual. They are very different, but equally easy to drive. I also use a D750 and a D700. I find both equally easy to use without getting confused. I just don’t really understand how it’s so difficult to use 2 slightly different cameras. Now if you’re talking Nikon vs Canon, I might see it a bit more. Any rate, the cheese really hasn’t moved very far and it’s very small and light, IMO.

            • Allen_Wentz

              Moving from D2x to D3 to D500 no problem, which is why I preordered the D500. But sometimes I use the D5100, and it confuses me every time. When I handle a D6xx it too just feels ergonomically wrong to my (large) hands.

      • Meh. Why put the D750 sensor in the D810 body, when you could make an FX D500 and use the D5 sensor? That’d be a winner! 😀

  • PabloNY

    Can’t wait for a “D900” and yes, 50Mp plus.
    D800/E/10 is about megapixels, not a D700 replacement.
    There is a big market for people that want more resolution, I’m one of them. (storage is dirt cheap)

    • 24×36

      Hell, I’d like to see them go to 72MP. Let’s drive things to the point where lack of an AA filter REALLY becomes a non-issue, and make the difference big enough to matter vs. 36MP. Just have to keep the frame rate at 5fps at least. Less than that starts to make it more limiting in general use.

      • Shutterbug

        It would be nice but they would never make that big of a jump in one iteration, if they had 72MP on the radar they would most likely save it for a D950 or whatever, 4 years from now.

  • Michiel953

    D750 successor or refresh will, logic dictates, again have a 24Mp sensor. Different segment than the D810.

  • Ben Bibikov

    D810 predecessor would be a tricky one. For 90% of the people D810’s 36mp is more than enough already, they don’t want more; they are very happy and comfortable with that sensor size. If D900 comes out with 50+mp, I’m not sure many of them would want to upgrade, because it will not look like a very smooth upgrade path. I think Nikon has a problem on its hand. The D810 crowd wants an upgrade that gives them better ISO, and more FPS while maintaining same sensor size. But D810 is positioned as a high megapixels camera. What should Nikon do now? We’ll I think they need to split the line. Create two D900 type cameras (D900x and D900H), one having 54mp, the other with improved 36mp sensor. Problem solved.

    • Shutterbug

      I really hope they split it into 2 bodies, 42-54MP for one and the 21MP D5 sensor in the other. Even then though, people who want somewhere in the middle are left with a difficult choice to make. With the ongoing MP war it’s harder to find middle ground.

      I actually think 20, 36, and 54 MP could make sense but there is no way they would make 3 otherwise identical bodies. Also the linear resolution difference between 36 and 54 mp is relatively small, around 20%.

    • I know what we all would like but I suspect it’s going to be more like a D815 with 36mp, Expeed5, the new AF system, 30 minutes of 4k, and native ISO expanded to 25.6k … all other specs identical to the D810… and sooner rather than later… aka “I am Squeezing Every Last Penny Out of What We Have Already Created”.

      • Ben Bibikov

        But that is the problem. What is Nikon going to offer those who are waiting for more mega pixels?

        • Michiel953

          Let’s be glad we’re not in Nikon’s driving seat. It sounds like a difficult choice.

          Otoh, does Canon’s high Mp offering give us so much more over an 810?

          • bgbs

            Not so much yet, but that is because it lacks DR and other features. But another generation down the road it will provide incentive to switch.

        • Well… that’s exactly right. I’m just not sure the tech is in place… at least with the current sensor.

          Until we hear about Nikon doing BSI, true 16-bit RAWs, the removal of more physical filters in front of the sensor (but with pre-NEF color correction, aka a D810A that won’t shift pink because it’s being corrected by the Expeed5’s engine and therefore produces good “general-use” color)… I’m not sure Nikon could go to 54mb… on their own.

          Now… a D900S, with the “S” standing for “Sony Sensor Inside” I can see that happening on the inside of 24 months. But then what do you have, a Sony camera with Nikon software. Does it matter???

          I just really, really, really wish there would have been some physical sensor advancement in the D5. If there was, it’s being kept pretty secret. If they can’t bring new sensor tech to the D5, I don’t think you’ll see new sensor tech on the same generation of D-whatever’s that follow.

          With Nikon’s current penchant for taking baby steps (in some cases, taking sideways steps and disguising them as baby steps), a jump from 36mb directly to 54mb… seems unlikely. There will probably be a generation of something in-between.

          • Davo

            I think you’re right in that it remains to be seen what real sensor improvements are there in the D5 and D500. We’ve only seen jpegs so far that could easily be improvements purely on the software side of things.
            But in particular with the D500’s pixel pitch could be an indicator of how a high MP D810 successor could perform at the pixel level. Which you could extrapolate to a corresponding level of improvement on a whole image level for the full FX sensor area.

    • Nikon could easily solve the “D810 upgrade problem” by delivering a D850X and D850H, or a D900X and D900H, or whatever. Put an improved Sony A7R II sensor in the X, and the D5 sensor in the H, and price ’em ~$500 apart in the vicinity of $3K. Done! Both would be wildly successful cameras for Nikon, IMO.

    • JXVo

      I agree with the ’36 Mp is enough’ sentiment. I have 2 D8xx bodies and I seldom want more resolution. But a D810 refresh with the AF system from D5/500 , backlit buttons, 1 stop or so lower noise at high ISO and a modest fps jump to 7 or 8 fps would have me saving for an upgrade. Maybe add in some electronic sophistication like built in wifi too. Personally I have no need for GPS but many seem to regard it as essential so add that in too.

      • KnightPhoto

        GPS is largely unnecessary once you have SnapBridge which can provide GPS coor. from your smartphone.

  • vriesk

    Any chance of 24-120mm f/4E (with improved optics)? 😉

    • Shutterbug

      The current one is quite good, I would bet it isn’t too high on their priority list. I suspect they will do the 70-200 and the rest of the big tele’s first.

      • nwcs

        I agree. Lots of other lenses are ahead of it. The current one is better than people like to characterize it. It’s not for everyone but it is very versatile and quite good.

    • I’d rather see Nikon get into f/2 zooms. All of their f/4 zooms are already rather impressive, and decently lightweight.

      • Eric Calabros

        But they are not E and none is AF-P. They need at least one FX zoom lens for video.

        • Actually yeah I’d love to see all lenses updated to “E” aperture, that’d be great.

          But I think that if we want both an E aperture upgrade and an AF-P motor upgrade, we’re probably going to have to wait for FX and DX mirrorless system to debut.

          It just makes more sense for Nikon to be as future-proof as possible with their lens R&D efforts at this point, I suspect. Unless they plan on maintaining the F mount for their mirrorless system. Which I honestly wouldn’t mind; I don’t really care that much about saving a few mm on the depth of a full-frame body. (And Sony’s FE mount has proven that you save approximately ZERO size, weight, or price when it comes to making top-shelf full-frame mirrorless glass compared to full-frame DSLR glass.)

          Although then again, an APS-C body could definitely benefit from a significantly shorter flange distance. (Again, as Sony’s E mount proves)

  • Aldo

    my d760 modest wishlist:

    -better WB… eradicate tints (or greatly minimize them)
    -bug free
    -Add and AF/on button (or move the existing one more to the right)
    -cleaner ISO 800-1600 (I care not for fantasy/waxy/processed ISO numbers)

    That’s really it for me… however it would be ‘nice’ if they added
    -the new AF system (D5/d500)
    -the new AF fine tuning method
    -the new file sharing system
    -1 or 2 FPS
    -4k
    -touchscreen?

    • -washer
      -dryer
      -microwave
      -garage door opener
      -catbox?

      • jeffp3456

        catbox would be really nice, save me a lot of time!

      • Aldo

        hey sometimes solid basics are better than fancy but unproven features… ask sony =]

    • Davo

      Add the AF point selector toggle in addition to better AF-ON button placement.
      And a nice bright large OVF.
      Oh wait.. damn, that’s probably the D820.
      But doesn’t hurt to ask.

    • I suspect that many of the D500’s new features (built-in automatic AF fine tuning using live view) will now be standard on all bodies higher than the bottom 1-2 tiers of beginner bodies.

  • TO-DOUG

    I dunno… my D600 seems just fine. I don’t think that it needs any “refreshing”. Nikon was kind enough to replace the shutter, and that was very nice! Okay, every now and then I need to remove the images that seem to accumulate inside it (always on the SC card) and occasionally I need to charge the battery. But otherwise, it seems just fine. Am I missing something? It seems plenty refreshing to me…

    • Duncan Dimanche

      haha exactly

    • Davo

      lol..
      But seriously though any refresh of the lower end FX is likely not intended for existing owners. Its to attract new buyers and to keep the product competitive. My D700 also seems just fine.. etc. etc.

    • Consumerism is necessary for the survival of the global economy, unfortunately. If the “ehh, what I’ve got now is good enough” philosophy were any more prevalent, then we’d all still be shooting with cameras that came out 1-2 generations ago, and many other economies would have come to a screeching halt too.

      I’m not a fan of global economic growth that harms the planet, and events like the chemical disaster in China do give subtle hints that maybe we need to make a change or at least be more careful with how we proceed. But, by and large, having new camera options more frequently than we care to upgrade is still a good thing.

      • TO-DOUG

        Actually, being Canadian, my philsophy would be “What I’ve got now is good enough, eh?” Seriously, for some time now Thom Hogan has raised the idea that many photographers believe their gear is “good enough” or that the camera they have will be sufficient for quite a while, maybe forever. Early digital cameras were inadequate in many respects. Digital cameras have now reached a level of quality and capability that more than meets the needs of most photographers for most of the situations they will encounter. More pixels? Why is 24 million of them not enough? Higher ISO? I remember pushing Tri-X film from 400 ASA to 1600 ASA and thinking that was really cool. We now seem to be at the point of adding fringe features that are nice, but not essential to the craft.

        Regarding consumerism, don’t worry – I’m doing my part! Especially in the lens department. And even when I buy a used lens, I am supporting the economy because I am providing funds to someone who is actually buying the latest and greatest gear – and paying the latest and greatest price!

    • jarmatic

      You are missing backlit buttons, electronic first curtain shutter and an eyepiece shutter.

      • Sawyerspadre

        It seems that they are not missing them. The D600 didn’t have them when he bought it ;-). They didn’t go missing.

    • Michiel953

      I’ve got the same problem with my D810. You press that shutter button, it takes a shot. And then again. And again. At some point I need to offload them to my computer. And then the whole circus starts all over again. Really tiresome. I wish Nikon would come with a solution.

  • Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem likely that we’ll see a repeat of Nikon’s 2007-2008 strategy in which the D3 and D300 hooked up and had the D700 love-child a year later.

    I certainly would like to see a D500 marry a D5 and have an FX offspring that beats both the D750 and D810 for performance in every way except resolution. But alas.

  • Any chance for 300/2.8E that weighs 5LB before Olympics? That’s what I need now to go with D500. This is the only super teles that’s not refreshed at this point. Canon version is sweet ay 5.17LB. Since Nikon versions are slightly lighter ( 500 for example) I hope 300 will be at 5LB..

  • Cam_swim

    Im looking at getting a d7200 but not sure if i ahould wait for d7300 next year? Is there any news on the d7300

    • Sawyerspadre

      I would think the D7300 would get Snapbridge, touchscreen LCD, next gen Expeed and better video. The 51 pt focusing, and 24 mp sensor might stay, to keep some room between the D7300 and the D500 in both price and feature set.

      It will be interesting to see how Nikon decides to (or if they will) add Internal support for the SB5000 radio flash. I would imagine it will continue to be a dongle, because Nikon loves dongles…

      If you don’t need these items, the D7200 is a very good camera, and will probably come down in price once the D500 scarcity is over.

      • Cam_swim

        Thanks, mmm its a tough one. Its not like I’ll need the upgraded features but they would be nice to have particularly when im looking at keeping the body for a while.

        • Sawyerspadre

          It may also be interesting to see how a camera that already has wifi, can be used with Snapbrige. I hope the app has some thought of recent cameras and that the app can be used with them.

        • Sawyerspadre

          You could always wait for the D500 to drop in price…

          But you miss a lot of great shots in the interim…

          • Cam_swim

            It would definitely be smart for them to design the app that way but whether they do or not is something else.

            Thats definitely the issue really want to get the camera in my hands and take shots but one the other hand don’t want to miss out on what could be (its a little silly i know).

            Id probably be better waiting for the d7300 than for the price of the d500 to come down.

  • Voltax

    What to expect next from Nikon,,,,, more recalls?

    • Sawyerspadre

      You mean free service and cleanings? If your glass is viewed as half full, that is what we are getting. 😉

    • nwcs

      Time for the banhammer I think.

  • Peter

    Will the DL cameras be able to support an external mic? It does not have a mic listed as a possible accessory on NikonUSA. Would be a bit weird if they can’t as they can take 4k video. If not i’ll just cross my fingers for a surprise v4.

    • D700s

      Only the 24-500 has a mic input jack.

  • MonkeySpanner

    Nikon 1 is dead. It needed faster zooms from the beginning. A 1.8-2.8 zoom is mandatory for any 1″ system. Otherwise, why not just buy an RX100 or now a DL with a much faster zoom?

    • nwcs

      It definitely needed the fast zooms but the 70-300 and 32 lenses are pretty unique. It’s been a missed opportunity for Nikon.

      • MonkeySpanner

        Yes, 70-300 makes it a little interesting for those who need ultra long range. But those fast zooms would have really made the system relevant.

    • TO-DOUG

      First of all, Nikon 1 is not dead… it is just sleeping! (apologies to Monty Python). Some people seem to think that the fact that Nikon hasn’t issued any Nikon 1 lenses lately is a bad omen. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t — we just don’t know.
      When did a 1.8-2.8 zoom become mandatory? Does Nikon make any zoom with a maximum aperture of 1.8? No. The holy trinity are all 2.8 constant zooms, and they cost thousands of dollars each. Yes, Sigma now has fast zooms for F mount, but those are humongous in size and price.
      Nikon DL has broken new ground with its two fast zoom lenses for a so-called 1″ sensor. Some have suggested that those lens designs might will require a fixed lens camera to deal with distortion and other factors inherent in such a lens design. Maybe so. If not, Nikon could well adapt those fast DL zooms designed for a 1″ sensor to a lens in CX mount. Wouldn’t that make more sense than abandoning a technically advanced system that led the way in focusing (1) on a smaller sensor?

      • MonkeySpanner

        Small sensors – dark lenses – not a good combo. The f2.8 think doesn’t hold for smaller sensors.

      • vworm

        Nikon will never say ‘we are letting 1 series go.’ At least 32 1.2 and 70-300 CX are not (possibly) covered by DLs, and officially calling off 1 series will be a stupid move.
        What Sony is doing to their Alpha mount would be more possible.

  • Synono Maus

    I’d buy a 17mm tilt shift the instant it was available. Sadly it seems that’s disappeared from the rumor mill altogether. If it weren’t so expensive and annoying to ebay everything, I’d switch to Canon for it.

  • Bob Newman

    ‘I think the D610 and D3300 have the best chance of being refreshed next/first.’ With respect to the D610, that depends on whether the D750 was the originally planned D610, before the D610 was hastily put out to head off the shutter problem. If so, expect the D610 to soldier on and the D760 to be next.

  • alex

    i’m dying for a 40mm/2.8 pancake just like canon’s (street shooter here)…;)

  • Bloomer

    Really keen on what the replacement for the D600/D610 is…most likely the next camera that I would buy

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