What happened to the two new Nikon AF-P DX Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G lenses?

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After the official announcement, we did not hear much about the two new Nikon AF-P DX Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G lenses. There are no pre-order options in the US and no mention on Nikon USA website. Amazon UK however has both new models listed as "Temporarily out of stock":

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Here is the UK pricing:

Nikon AF-P DX Nikkor 18-55mm f:3.5-5.6G VR lens
AF-P DX Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR lens: £199.99

Nikon AF-P DX Nikkor 18-55mm f:3.5-5.6G lens
AF-P DX Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G lens (no VR): £149.99

I was expecting the new 18-55 lenses to be part of the new D500 kit, but even this is not the case (the D500 kit comes with the 16-80mm ED VR lens).

The first review of the new lenses with some sample images can be found here.

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  • Lukasz

    Maybe they realized nobody wants that s….. lol

    • DrNo666

      New 24-70 and then the new D5
      New 16-80 and then the D500
      New 18-55 and then….

      I think this lens is for the upcomming D3400 and very few would buy this seperately so I guess that Nikon will push for it as a kitlens once D3300 is being updated.

      • Spy Black

        What’s with the non-VR model in 2016 tho?

        • CaMeRa QuEsT

          Maybe there is a D1000/D2000 coming, or else the VR version will be for D5*00 series bodies and the non-VR version for D3*00 series.

          • phteve

            Aaaand the D3*00 bodies get ISIS

            • kazziz

              I doubt that

            • phteve

              I also doubt it, but i would fit in properly

            • MichaelSNC

              Pardon me?

          • Captain Megaton

            That’s how I read it. Since the D3*00 already come with a VR kit lens, a D1000 seems likely.

            (Though honestly I don’t see what you can remove from the D3300 to make it any cheaper than it already is without the wheels coming off!)

        • Mike

          The D500 has in body digital stability control.

          • dylanear

            A digital stabilization for certain video modes only. Hardly the same thing as actual sensor shifting IBIS.

            • Allen_Wentz

              But the AF-P kit lens is probably aimed at video anyway, so digital stabilization for certain video modes may be just right with a new fast-focus, quiet lens. Maybe it is intended as a kit lens for D500 video. The max aperture and resolution may be lacking for stills but perhaps fine for video.

        • Mike Gordon

          It is for the IBIS body!

      • sickheadache

        It is so nice to have dreams.

  • Henri De Vreese

    Nobody cares about another 18-55mm lens! As if anyone who reads this blog will buy one…

    • DrNo666

      Once u get pass the entry level yes…. but considering how many people that start with an entry level camera and those will chose Nikon as a brand based on the kit option they get presented to them… its an investment for Nikon to win the first time buyers

    • BG

      These are AF-P lenses. I don’t think Nikon introduced this feature for fun. These lenses are an indication of something coming – be it a mirrorless entry level body with F-mount, or just an entry level DSLR with very fast contrast-detection AF. Or whatever.

    • I wouldn’t mind having one if it’s decently built, has good IQ and is cheap. Though I can see they went through some severe cost-cutting measures such as the lack of AF/VR switches.

    • Marc P.

      You look like a 12-14 year old Kid from the Avatar, guys like you don’t buy FX stuff. As for the Lens, new Nikon Customers with a D3x00 or D5x00 usually *would* have it as their kitlens, so don’t bash them for this.

      • Henri De Vreese

        I need to update that after 5 years… I was 16 there btw. I had a 5Dmk2 back then (and a D7000). I have been shooting DSLR’s from the age of 10, so although I’m only 21, I have more experience than 90% of the guys around here … Gear is not interesting to me, I use what I need, nothing more, nothing less. I have been using the same gear for the last 3 years without buying anything new and I’m a happy camper (it happens to be FX, because my clients demand the resolution, but I’d still be happy using my D7000).

        • Spy Black

          Some of us here have been shooting since YOUR DAD was in diapers, and yet we still understand the purpose of lenses like these. So calm down.

          • Eric Calabros

            The last sentence of your comment is enough, because its true. The rest just reminds boring oldies bragging about doing some shit since eternity and think that should mean a thing, and not aware that it doesn’t. a 23 years old girl won hasselblad prize with a photo most of us here probably know how to take but not creative enough to make it happen in our mind.

            • PhilK

              I understand your point but the 21-year-old he was replying to made this ridiculous “I have more experience than 90% of the guys around here” comment… uhhh, no.

              Talent, creativity, ambition are one thing, but it simply is not chronologically possible for someone at that age to have “more experience” than someone 3 times their age that has been actively shooting for 3-5 times as long as they have.

              Technically I got my first camera about 50 years ago.

            • Eric Calabros

              not saying this kid has more experience than Spy Black, but generally age and time spent on something don’t necessarily cause experience. people may drive their kids to school everyday, for years, it doesn’t make them Ken Block.

            • PhilK

              “Experience” is a non-subjective term, and has no direct correlation to talent, ability, performance, creativity, wisdom, ambition or any other qualitative measure. The OP used the term “experience”, and he was wrong, period. If he had made a claim about his talent/ability/performance/creativity/ambition or some other subjective term, then I would not have made my original comment.

              I’m bored with this subthread now.

            • Spy Black

              I was driving home a point, not making a pissing contest.

            • Patrick O’Connor

              Age and treachery will always beat out youth and skill! 😉

          • Henri De Vreese

            Then you are the 10%… Maybe… You have been here before the first time I posted. But I was on a forum a few years ago and there was a forum meeting with more than 60 people attending. Some of them seemed very knowledgeable on the forums and seemed like photography was the only thing they did. But when I met them in real life and shot with them in the same locations (when I was 15 or so), I noticed that THEY were the keyboardhero’s, constantly focussing on getting perfect shots (tripod, lightmeter, bubble horizon thing,..). The guys that had their forum accounts for almost 15 years had the most uninteresting shots when they later posted them on the forum. And they spend more time in photoshop that actually shooting. And most of them had been “actively” shooting for more than 25 years.
            I don’t frequent forums anymore and just check Nikonrumors once a week. I’m not that kind of photographer that goes out shooting with other photographers and talks about all the gear and shows off with a 600mm on a portrait shoot. Nor the one that has a need to show of his best pictures.
            I know many professional photographers (on a personal/IRL level) some of which might shoot hundreds of assignments a year, but cannot be called experienced. All their weddings look the same, all their portraits look alike and their studio lamps haven’t moved for over 10 years,
            In my eyes experience can only be acchieved by being put out of your comfort zone. Shooting different people, trying different kinds of photography, taking your studio equipment to the other side of the world and be prepared to shoot things you would never dare to do,…

        • Aldo

          This was me when I was born…

          • Photobug

            Nice shot…first time I have seen a baby in a camera bag.

            • PhilK

              Only one problem: it’s not weather-sealed. :-0

            • Photobug

              Now that was funny!

          • ZZ

            You were a Canon baby??

            • Aldo

              I was born with common defects…

          • David Peterson

            but it is a Canon bag!

        • Marc P.

          21, and better then 90% of the guys around here…for sure. just another keyboard warrior. 😉

  • Japan show (upcomong)

  • VanHoff

    This is the fastest recall in the history of Nikkor lenses, they should have discovered some issues with the new “magic” crystal elements and want to make sure about not awaking the anger of the future D500 Owners, whom expect to get the most of their DX flagship with the most recent and magic Nikkor lenses.

    • Deez_Nuts2015

      Recall?

  • Erik

    I would have found it very strange if they put a slow lens like this on the D500.

    • DrNo666

      They will mostly place the new 16-80 on the D500.

      • fanboy fagz

        that 16-80 seems like a decent lens but ridiculously overpriced. I wouldnt buy it though because I want maximum IQ. id go sigma 18-35 ART and an 85 prime

        • Max

          I think it’s probably expensive to built too.

          • fanboy fagz

            I doubt it.

      • PhilK

        I’m sure that’s correct. The 16-80 is an E lens, need those to get reliable performance at 10 FPS, I’d think. I don’t imagine too many D500 customers would settle for a rinky-dink 18-55 anyway.

  • Shutterbug

    I don’t blame Nikon for bringing out new Kitlenses. The last 18-55mm wasn’t bad eiher. Though I hoped for a brighter lens, reducing size and weight and improving IQ, close focusing capabilities and adding a filterfriendly front element is pretty nice.
    However, I don’t like the AF-P versions at all (from what we know by now). A lens without M/AF and VR-switches just sounds like a stupid idea to me.

    By the way, maybe these are lenses made for some markets only. Nikon has them on their website over here in germany and we have quite a few preorder options. The weird thing is, that there are no cameras for this kitlens. I never expected it to come with the D500, but a 18-55mm as a stand alone lens ist even crazier. Maybe they are a replacement in the D3200/D3300/D5300/D5500 kits just like the predecessor was. But no word on that either…

    • Jim Huang

      Yeah, and on sensor phase detection to get the full advantage of that stepping motor. I used the Canon 70D + stepping lenses combo and it was great.
      I don’t think people will miss the switches that much, assume the VR in the lens is smart enough to detect whether it is on a tripod or not. I don’t think the A/M switch is that useful for beginners. Manual focus is a pain on D3XXX and D5XXX series cameras as their viewfinders are so small.
      For more serious people, then they may skip the lens and get a fast DX zooms instead. eg: Sigma/Tamron 17-50mm f2.8, 17-70mm f2.8-4…etc.

      • PhilK

        I have a feeling there will be some additional toggles for AF/VR in the menu on the newer cameras when P lenses are mounted.

        You’re right that the viewfinders on the entry models are small. Smallest of all were the D50/D70 series. Like looking into a tunnel in the distance..

  • DrNo666

    AF-P….is that the new thing for all upcoming lenses or just a 1 time deal???

    • phteve

      Wouldn’t be surprised if they are producing more AF P DX glass in kombination with a video dedicated body.

    • PhilK

      These use silent stepper motors for AF, rather than traditional servo motors or USM/SWM. Similiar to Canon’s STM series.

      The advantage is they are reputedly even quieter than USM/SWM, lends itself to electronically-controlled focus during video shooting, and they are inexpensive.

      Probably the removal of the switches is another cost-saving measure, and it requires updated firmware to exploit that – eg the older camera will not be able to use them.

      So I’d say Nikon is going to release one or more inexpensive models optimized for video shooting, perhaps even mirrorless at some point.

      • ZZ

        Canon’s STM lenses (24mm, 40mm, 18-55mm, 18-135mm) all have instant override feature as well as MF/AF switches. They all work with older Rebel and XXD series cameras. Except for 40mm pancake lens, they are all made for their crop sensor bodies; therefore, definitely consumer -oriented. Not sure how much you’d save by omitting them when even Canon didn’t omit them to save cost.

        • PhilK

          Yeah, I do recall that at least one of the Canon STM models I heard of had the manual focus override. But apparently some of those kind of lenses – perhaps for mirrorless – do not have it. (Sony uses another system – basically a linear motor – that could provide some similar benefits for video usage. The downside is the motor has to be powered-up to retain focus position. When the power is turned off apparently the focus elements fall back to some minimum position or just flop around. 😉

          And regarding backwards compatibility in general- don’t forget that Canon has for many years been in a better position than Nikon in regards to backwards compatibility of ‘advanced’ features since they switched their mount to EF back in the 1980s. (Whereas Nikon is more backwards compatible in terms of the bayonet itself, going back to 1959) For example, all Canon SLR lenses since then have electronically-actuated diaphragms, whereas that’s a fairly new feature for Nikon (besides their PC lenses) and many older Nikon bodies won’t work with E lenses.

          (Here are the only models according to Nikon that will work with “E” lenses – and I assume the list is even smaller for “P” lenses as they probably also have electromagnetic diaphragms in addition to the new AF system that requires firmware support to turn VR on/off etc: D3/D4/D5 series, Df, D8xx series, D7xx series, D6xx series, D500, D300 series, D7xxx series, D5xxx series, D3xxx series)

          Tho for some dumb reason Canon EF-S lenses won’t work on FF bodies, despite having the same bayonet. Nikon has an advantage there.

          Perhaps Nikon simply wants to make it obvious that this series is not designed for “pro” usage. The “focus by wire” really is non-ideal for manual or follow-focus situations.

          • ZZ

            In addition to all their EF/EF-S STM lenses having instant override feature, all Canon mirrorless EF-M lenses are STM lenses – 18-55mm, 22mm, 15-45mm, and 55-200mm. They all have instant manual override feature as well, although the EF-M lenses lack AF/MF switch.

  • Morris

    it’s clearly a recall…
    … ;)))

    • PhilK

      Oil on the fancy new electromagnetic aperture blades..

  • Muhammed

    We’re long overdue for updates to Nikon’s consumer DSLRs (D3300 and D5500). There have also been rumors of a news smaller SLR as well. My guess is that we’ll see the new lenses get released with the corresponding cameras.

    • Morris

      2016 is really an interesting year for nikki

    • RodneyKilo

      The D5500 has been available less than a year. It has class-leading image quality and DR for APS format from any manufacturer, and is lighter or narrower, and even at least roughly the same size as some mirrorless cameras of the APS or even Micro 4/3 format. Yet you can buy it with kit lens refurbished with US warranty today for only $569.

  • Plug

    Why the silver ring? They make a 50mm f1.8 with a silver ring. I can’t believe they are for a DF successor.

    • stormwatch

      DX version of Df.

      • Now THAT could be interesting.

        • stormwatch

          5fps/no video/retro look/ridiculous ergonomy…..D5500 will beat the thing any time of day & night.

          • “Beat” is pretty subjective.

            • stormwatch

              Without problems

            • Well, I guess I get your point, but I don’t share it. The less I have to use the left side of my brain to operate a camera, the better. Modern DSLRs require too many “decisions” that include a combination of pressing a button, then scrolling with a thumbwheel or some other gyrations that personally I find annoying. Old film cameras were pretty simple and intuitive. If I could have a digital F2 I’d be happy. I admit I chimp, so I’d still want an LCD on the back. But that’s about it. What else do you really need?

        • Mike

          I’d like to see a Nikon X100. 🙂

          • PhilK

            Bleh, fixed lens.

            Give me a digital Nikon SP. 😀

    • Jim Huang

      I think they put silver ring on their lenses a long time ago. The question should be why is the special edition 50mm f1.8 a kit lens successor? 😉

    • PhilK

      Absolutely not, because they really are not ideal for someone who does manual focusing a lot. There is no direct control of focus, typically the focus ring is an electronic actuator that does “focus by wire”, so there’s a sort of lag between rotation of the focus ring and electronic response of the focus motor to carry out the focus command input.

      • Sawyerspadre

        Huh, what lens does that?

        • PhilK

          See my prior comments in this discussion.

          These lenses have a new type of focus system that Nikon has not produced before. Typically with this type of lens, the focus ring is not connected directly to the focusing elements, it is an electronic control that commands the focus motor (a “silent stepper motor”) to move the focusing elements. So it tends to have a “rubber-band” sort of feel to it, because you turn the ring and then wait for the focus motor to adjust the focus in response to that command.

          The positives are that it is quieter than USM/SWM, and it has a different sort of torque that does not “jump” to the focus point the way a USM/SWM ultrasonic ring focus system does. Those characteristics tend to be better for shooting video than a lens with USM/SWM focusing. I posted a YouTube link earlier that demonstrates this.

    • DrNo666

      No clue but my older version from my first buy in 2008 ha a silverring to…. and that must be opposite to the gold ring… a mark for a crappy lens

  • Ritvar Krum

    200 pounds (or 270 euro) for a 18-55 plastic cheapest kit lens possible… wow what a time to be alive. I remember these lenses costing sub 100 euro new… o wait – that was just few weeks ago.

  • Bendik Hassel

    i’ve tried this on a D5500. In live view mode it focused almost instantly. None of my semi-pro lenses focuses that fast on my D750.

    • Eric Calabros

      your semi-pro lenses have shallower depth of field of course

      • PhilK

        Apparently Nikon themselves tout that these lenses focus much faster than other Nikkors. According to something NR excerpted in the original announcement: “…accelerates phase-detection AF speeds by approximately 10 times and contrast-detection AF speeds by approximately 3.5 times”.

        Which is interesting because I thought the benefit was mostly supposed to be when using contrast AF.

      • Carleton Foxx

        Forget what you learned about lenses from DPReview and other internet sites. The staffers at DPR may have a rudimentary understanding of sensors, but they are embarrassingly clueless about everything else in the optical chain.
        Depth of field is function of several factors mainly how close you are to the subject versus the background; focal length and aperture are less important.
        Focus accuracy and speed is determined by a wide variety of other factors including the algorithm being used, the optical design, the object on which you’re focusing, what the engineers had for lunch the day they designed the system, and a million other factors that none of us could think of even if we sat in their lab and watched them for 100 years.
        Bottom line: The DPR staff is young and make the classic young person’s error of thinking that they know more than they really do and trying to apply their limited knowledge to subjects outside the realm of their expertise. It will take a decade or so, but they’ll figure it out eventually.

    • Hi Bendik, can you upload a sample video of the af performing ? thanks 😉

  • Jim Huang

    To be perfectly honest, I was quite excited to see Nikon introduce the AF-P lens. I do a bit of video works and I do feel slight envious canon has the on sensor phase detection AF + stepping motor lenses combo.
    Sure Nikon doesn’t have on sensor phase detection for their DSLRs yet, but at least the glass is half full, right? 😉

    • … or half empty :))

    • phteve

      Would be more excited by a lense with fixed aperture …

  • Borgar Tessem

    the clear benefits of this lenses are when using them in video, you cant hear the focusing motor in the cameras mic, and they will replace current 18-55 and they will sell in millions in total, Nikon have sold rougly 30 millions on the various 18-55 DX lenses, obvious moust of them as kit lenses. But i will think they also sold manny VR editions as an upgrade from non VR. And folks, stopp this shity complaining about Nikon introduces things nobody wants, it is items as this that create fundings for deweloping lenses like the 300 mm F4E AF-S PF, D500 and its like!

    • Jim Huang

      I just hope they also have on sensor phase detection for their DSLRs.

      • Borgar Tessem

        They will, its allready in Nikon1

        • CaMeRa QuEsT

          Those Nikon 1 cameras are mirrorless, not DSLRs.

          • Borgar Tessem

            Yes, but it was talk about tecnologi on sensor, nothing about mirror or not!! Read and proses before comenting

            • CaMeRa QuEsT

              Sorry, my bad

        • fanboy fagz

          nikon 1 suck

          • Borgar Tessem

            Nikon1 have the fastest and best AF up to date, the abillity to track focus in Nikon1 beats D4s whith giant leaps, thanks to phase detect on sensor, i have loads of Nikon1 and pro DSLR, but when it comes to AF the smaal camera roules!

            • fanboy fagz

              I wouldnt touch it if you gave it to me for free. well, I would..Id take it and sell it for half price to sell immediately. I wouldnt even buy it for half price.

            • Mike

              How does it track with the DOF equivalent of 1.4? Even a 1.2 lens has the DOF of f/3.3 plus some. Fast is one thing. Accurate is another. Just ask a6000 (10fps) users. 🙂

  • HotDuckZ

    No AF sound it Video, great propaganda!! Do you try before said?

  • tomanatura

    Here in Czech Rep. is availability 14 days.

  • cookie

    I am sure we will get the answer next month (CP+). May be a D3400 comes with a new kit lens.

  • Sakaphoto Graphics

    They’re with the D500’s inbuilt flash?

  • Nikkorette

    And what happened whith the Yongnuo 50 mm 1.8 Nikon Mount?

    • fanboy fagz

      nice, I also wonder about that. the 35 as well..

  • MonkeySpanner

    Not sure why they announced these lenses now rather than with a body. But maybe this is a signal that Nikon will start focussing more seriously on video than they have in the past.

  • Richard

    B&H’s specs for the D500 include this:
    Video Recording

    Yes, NTSC

    Can this be true? Would Nikon exclude the civilised world (where PAL or SECAM are the norm) from D500 video?

    • fanboy fagz

      frame rates decide if its ntsc or pal. digital has no issues
      today.

      • Patrick O’Connor

        Sorry but I don’t understand your comment. Unless they’ve come out with some new technology, I’m not aware of, you still have to record at a frame rate that matches, or a multiplier, of your target frame rate.

        • fanboy fagz

          pal shoots at 25 frames or 50 frames ntsc shoot at 30 or 60. you set it in the camera and match shutter to the multiple.
          no issue playing a digital file from overseas that you burned in a us player

          • Patrick O’Connor

            I guess Richard and I were both thinking in terms of watching a movie on a TV/player combination that only displays one standard or the other. Converting PAL to NTSC results in video stuttering. I know a lot of people watch movies on their computer but I prefer to relax on my couch and watch my widescreen TV. It allows the added benefit of preventing potato chip crumbs from getting in your keyboard! 🙂

            • Jeff Hunter

              You can always connect your computer to your television.

            • Patrick O’Connor

              I was speaking theoretically. It’s been years since I did that kind of conversion or had a need to.

    • Carleton Foxx

      Yikes….let’s hope not. Most of my clients are NTSC, but I do have one who is PAL only.

  • CaMeRa QuEsT

    Remember that all current cameras need a new FW for these lenses to work, and without that nor new cameras that work with these lenses they can’t start selling them lest costumers start complaining these lenses don’t work on their cameras.

  • T.I.M

    At f/5.6 (T8 real aperture) + ISO 120.000.000.000 you could take indoor pictures with no flash.
    Just make sure you wear a headphone (for the noise)
    :o)

  • sickheadache

    Oh no..what will those DX Queens do?

  • “To VR or not to VR, that is the question…”

  • PhilK

    Here is what a silent-stepper focusing lens does for you while filming video, compared to a USM/SWM focusing lens – don’t forget to turn up the audio:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djOPPQycZ8g

    • ZZ

      Yep, Canon is definitely a step ahead of Nikon here …. (no puns intended)

  • B.D.

    They are on Polish Nikon site

  • B.D.
  • Hopefully they will come out at the same time the D5600 does.

  • T.I.M

    What’s the silver ring for ?

    • Borgar Tessem

      I dont know for what the silver ring is, but they have used it at all 18-55 mm for dx, maybe just for bling bling effect?

  • PhilK

    I should mention that if Nikon is as serious about video as it seems they are beginning to be, they may want to start doing something about all the zooms they are making these days that have really strong focus-breathing issues.

    Hopefully at least these AF-P lenses are designed to keep that problem to a minimum.

    • Carleton Foxx

      You’re right. But while we’re waiting, I made a delightful discovery the other day; the older 24-70 f/2.8 is parafocal—the focus point doesn’t change when you zoom. It has made my life much easier when shooting vids.

      • PhilK

        Is it really common for Nikkor zooms to NOT be parafocal nowadays?

        In the olden days when I started doing photography, a lot of lenses had hard infinity stops which were calibrated. That became a thing of the past mostly (as far as I know) because of the proliferation of zoom lenses and lens construction that caused slight focal shifts under different temperatures and so on. But it was still common “wisdom” in the MF days to focus at a high magnification on a zoom and then zoom back to frame the shot. (Tho sort of academic in the days when a lot of zooms were “push-pull” – never could guarantee that when you zoomed you wouldn’t shift the focus)

        • Carleton Foxx

          That is a good question. I used to shoot video mainly with Canon zooms and they were definitely not parafocal (except for the lenses in their camcorders).
          As for Nikkors, the only other zoom I’ve used (the 55-300 which is by the way an awesome lens for video between 200mm and 300mm) is not parafocal. My 12-24 f/4, I don’t think is. But I’m almost always wrong about everything.

          • PhilK

            Hm, interesting. Now I want to go test all my zooms..

  • daut

    D300 replacement is out…..D700 replacement is coming next year on their 100th anniversarry.

    • KnightPhoto

      I think the difference is, if you had a D700 you CAN buy a camera with better performance. It just costs more and is bigger (D3S, D4, D4S, D5). Although the bigger argument is a bit weak because to obtain 8fps you had to attach the grip to the D700.

      Whereas for the “D300 upgrader” there was NO alternative, you couldn’t pay more, it wasn’t offered in a bigger camera, an upgrade path did not exist. So you had to go downscale (D7000, D7100, D7200), no upscale option existed.

      For the record I had both a D700 and D300 and yes I wanted an upgrade to both.

  • Allen_Wentz

    I shoot a D3 but use a D5100 for some documentation work where a large camera either will not fit or a tilt LCD is virtually mandatory. On the D5100 I mostly used the Nikkor 12-24mm or 40mm macro but just ordered the (non AF-P) Nikkor 18-55mm VR II AF-S version for US$105 from Amazon two days ago, mostly just because it was so cheap. Now I can leave the cheap D5100 18-55 setup hidden in the truck all the time without risking expensive lenses or cameras.

    My guess is Nikon is bringing the AF-P as part of their move into video. In any event the glut of older Nikkor 18-55mm kit lenses has now priced them appropriately dirt cheap.

    As an aside, the Nikkor 12-24mm DX lens originally purchased for use on a D2x works very well on the FX D3 with the DX-crop framing turned off. Seeing the round DX view at full wide does good things for my brain for some reason.

    • true

      it’s almost like a sigma 12-24 (fx) then, but with filters and much lighter.

  • jvm156

    who would actually buy one? ya can’t give the damn things away

    • Carleton Foxx

      I would buy one, as long as it was fairly awesome. But I would buy knowing that I could only use it in the middle of its range—say 20mm to 45mm and only at its middle apertures, but it could be great for a very light kit to take when I wanted to shoot under the radar but get Nikon-quality results. Like backpacking or when on assignment for Her Majesty’s Secret Service.

  • HD10

    I haven’t had a chance to read through all the comments but a non-VR kitlens indicates to me that Nikon likely has a camera with an in-body image stabilization … perhaps in an upcoming mirrorless body?

    Lenses with VR will still work with the new mirrorless body but a non-VR kitlens will be less costly to make and would make a good kitlens with a mirrorless body with in-body image stabilization.

    • true

      I really hope they won’t go for “ibis only” route, as a combination of the two is superior

      • HD10

        The “IBIS only” will likely be for entry level mirrorless cameras. As to combining IBIS and VR, it would be ideal if Nikon can combine an IBIS and a VR just like what Olympus can do with its E-M1 and E-M5 Mk II when matched with the new Olympus 300mm f/4.0.

        For me, I am keen on Nikon incorporating an “IBIS” in its cameras as this is the only way that it can implement a pixel shift multi-shot high-resolution mode. Pentax and Olympus already developed this though need to be used with a tripod. It is nonetheless an excellent way to get higher resolution using existing lenses (and thus with no need to resort to Otus like lenses in weight size and price).

        • Carleton Foxx

          And Hasselblad….

        • PhilK

          Actually the D500 has a form of IBIS with their on-sensor VR for videos. Though it is not “sensor shift”, it is done electronically, similar to smartphones that don’t have OIS.

        • true

          Damn, having a high-res mode on a native 36mp or 50mp camera? Now you’re teasing me!

          • HD10

            Nope, I am not teasing you.

            While the ultra-high resolution race in sensor is essentially an issue of price, there is a concomitant penalty in pursuing this in terms of the lens to resolve at these ultra-high resolution – the lens needed to resolve at this level will need to be bigger, heavier and much more expensive. If you want an idea as to what lenses are needed, think of the Zeiss Otus size, weight and price for prime lens, and something a whole lot bigger, heavier and more expensive than the 14-24-70-200mm f/2.8 for zoom lenses.

            This size, weight and price penalty will ultimately what will restrain and limit the ever arching ascent to use sensors with higher resolution.

            Yet this restraint is not a barrier to achieving higher-resolution images. By using pixel shift multi-shot (PSMS) features, a camera can take higher resolution images using current sensors. Better yet, the camera can make use of existing lenses (which still perform well enough at 36mp) to generate these higher-resolution images.

            If Nikon relies solely on in-lens VR, it will not be able to implement a PSMS and thus will be at a big disadvantage to other companies who do. Case in point will be the upcoming Pentax K-1 which has the 4-shot PSMS feature. Matching this camera with the excellent Tamron 15-30mm f/2.8 VC will allow a user to shoot at much higher resolution even if it uses an older but proven (and also less expensive) 36mp sensor. Take a look at what the Pentax K-3 II that has this feature and see the benefits in the absence of moire, better color, greater detail, and lower noise.

            Nikon needs a camera with an “IBIS” to do PSMS. The logical starting point to do this is in a mirrorless camera.

            As an aside, note that all of Nikon’s prime do not have VR (unlike Canon). Perhaps Nikon already has in plan of integrating “IBIS” in its future bodies to be able to implement PSMS. An IBIS working with a VR will yield even better performance as seen in the Olympus E-M1/E-M5 Mk II and the Panasonic GX-8.

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