Weekly Nikon news flash #351

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→ In Japan you can customize the Nikon D5 with your name.

Used-Nikon-AF-S-Nikkor-800mm-f5.6E-FL-ED-VR-lens
Used Nikon AF-S Nikkor 800mm f/5.6E FL ED VR lens (9+ condition) now available at B&H for $11,999.95 (reg. $16,296.95).

Tamron SP 24-70mm f:2.8 DI VC USD vs Nikon 24-70mm f:2.8E ED VR lens comparison
DCfever compares the Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 DI VC USD with the Nikon 24-70mm f/2.8E ED VR lens.

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Pricing and availability of Sigma WR water repellent ceramic protector filter announced.

Nikon at the 2016 CP+ show
→ Nikon will take place at the 2016 CP+ show in Japan.

Nikon SnapBridge
Nikon.com: the new SnapBridge will be a standard feature in almost every Nikon camera from 2016 onwards.

→ Interesting: The History of Nippon Kogaku 1600 - 1949

→ Use this page to check if you have the latest version on your Nikon camera.

→ Those two patents could be for the new AF system in the Nikon D5 camera: US8526807 and US20150130986.

→ Shooting Hong Kong with the Nikon AF-S DX Nikkor 16-80mm f/2.8-4E ED VR lens.

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  • Spy Black

    They should’ve thrown the Tokina 24-70 into the mix of that 24-70 comparison.

    • Yasfaloth

      Have you read the comparison ? It’s almost all about VR, and, to my knowledge, Tokina does not have it.

      • Eric Calabros

        and God knows how arbitrary are the VR tests

        • Aldo

          according to his rudimentary test of the VR… nikon comes up on top by at least 1 stop of VR power.

      • HF

        There are three pages. The second compares IQ. Here the Tamron is minimally sharper in the center, but a lot worse near the border or apsc region.

      • Spy Black

        No, I haven’t read it, I just thought about as I saw this post. No, the Tokina does not have stabilization. Kinda dumb however to focus primarily on that simply because it happens to be the new trick in the Nikkor.

      • Christopher Zeller

        Check pages 2-3. They test sharpness, closeup performance and vignette.

    • TerraPhoto

      Yeah, the Tokina 24-70mm f/2.8 is a real player in this range. I have it and it is super sharp. And, I don’t need VR for this lens as it spends 99% of its time on a tripod so no biggie on it not having it.

      • El Aura

        If you don’t need, the original Nikon 24-70 would do as well. They focussed on the two lenses that had VR. If you wanted to include the ones without VR, you should include all of them.

        • Spy Black

          That’s an interesting point, and it would be interesting to see how they all compare, however the Tokina, Nikkor VR, and Tamron are the latest versions from the respective manufacturers, hence my comment.

      • TerraPhoto

        El Aura, save half the money and get the Tokina over the previous Nikon 24-70… I feel it sharper. I was looking to get the previous used with the new one announced, but my research said go with the new Tokina.

    • Aldo

      I think you’ve been right about the tamron… this test also confirms the edges are very weak… shooting groups of people wide open with the tamron scares me. It is also disappointing to see the nikon not as sharp at the center. In 2016… after spending 2500 dollars.. you’d expect a little more.

      • Spy Black

        You may want to rent the Tokina out from an outfit like lensrentals.com and see if it fits your shooting criteria.

        • Aldo

          Yeah I was hoping to upgrade to VR.. but I may have to crawl back with my tail behind my back and re purchase a used 24-70 nikkor non vr or look into the tokina as you advice…. It just said in my bag and used it very little…. but without it I’ve found that even that little use was essential to my shooting.

          • Spy Black

            Put the Tokina through your paces and compare it to your old Nikkor, then see which works best for you. Chances are you may like the newer Tokina better.

            The unit I tested need a mild AF adjust, and worked perfectly after that, so keep that in mind if you test it out. You should find it looks good at 70mm, as well as 24. It’s actually a bit weak at 50 from my tests, but overall an excellent lens.

          • PhilK

            From what I have read the E/VR version is quite outstanding and better than anything else on the edges and corners, which seems to be a major distinction for that lens.

  • fanboy fagz

    id have no issue buying the tamron for a minor decrease in corner performance. if I need utmost sharpness, a zoom isnt what id use. I use zooms to get must have shots and for flexibilty under stress. the primes are for creative focus selective shots. at $1000 less, ill use that money for the sigma 85mm 1.4 ART- yea its coming..

    • HF

      There are very nice 85s around. The 85/1.4g is a very good lens in my opinion. Very balanced sharpness across the frame with nice rendering. Got one used for under 1000$ in mint condition. So far, I didn’t read of rumors of an upcoming Sigma portrait lens. Any info? Handled the 24-70vr in a shop. AF was extremely fast and sharpness better than expected. Felt better than the Tamron we use (although the Tamron is a little sharper in the center).

      • fanboy fagz

        for sure the build on the nikon is better but I never felt I needed such robust lenses for weddings. even my cheaply 50 1.4d and 85 1.8d do their jobs well. I never used the 85 1.4d. im sure its wonderful. I had the 85 1.4 AIS. crap for weddings and snipping. very difficult to use. so I traded it with someone for the 85 1.8D. its not so sharp from 1.8-2.5. from 2.8 on its a razor. but I want the sigma art 85mm. it will be razor sharp from f/2 im certain. not so interested in nikon lenses ATM. theyre kind of asleep at the wheel and they have non relevant price tags IMO.

    • Aldo

      Idk man…I’ve been eyeing the tamron for sometime,… I can’t get over how terribad is at the edges…

      • KnightPhoto

        I know you are also looking for good sharpness at 70mm. Did you notice it appears the Nikkor bests the Tamron there too. The only place the Tammy had the (minor) edge was 24mm and centre.

        I agree on your points regarding 24mm, that is NOT what I am looking for on the sides. The only reason for me to upgrade my 24-70G is for possible better side sharpness at 24-28mm, and it appears in relation to the Tammy at least the Nikkor is better.

        Since the Autumn I have been paying very careful attention to the sides of my wider view 24-70G (non-VR) results and…
        it turns out the results are actually quite sharp. Sharper than I would have recalled from memory. And at 35mm f/2.8 for example the G appears to be a razor.

        It looks to me, in my real-world results the far greater influence on side sharpness, is whether I have the focus fine-tune set correctly. What I do with mine is bias the DOF to be just in front of the point of focus, with ¾ or more of the DOF falling BEHIND my focus point. I do NOT attempt to make DOF 50/50 in front and behind my focus point. I bias it so that almost all the DOF is BEHIND my focus point. This is on the theory that the people on the sides of my shot are further away that the person at centre (or person in foreground). It seems to be working as my recent results seem very good. So this has slowed my desire to get the E, although I would still like one someday.

        Probably the biggest factor in the E side sharpness is curvature of field at the distance and focal length your are shooting, These are complex optics. I usually go to DigLloyd as he is meticulous enough to show me what the answer(s) are. I don’t think I could tell from my own tests as takes a great deal of knowledge and rigour to show this design behaviour.

        • Aldo

          Good insight… I’ve always vouched for the non vr nikkor VS tamron. I think it is simply better… and you are right about it being tack sharp on the wide end… I can confirm that from owning the lens myself. Honestly I was looking to buy the nikon 24-70 VR when it came out (that was before I knew the downsides of it). I was also expecting more sharpness from the new nikon at 70mm at 2.8…so much that I would have traded its sharpness at the wide end… but I don’t think nikon delivered. I may end up repurchasing a used 24-70mm nikkor, but I will look into the tokina before I do that in the interest of saving money.

        • PhilK

          Depth of field has never been equal in distance in front and back of the focus point. Technically I believe it is 1/3 of the depth of field distance in front of the focus point, and 2/3 of the depth of field distance behind it.

          • KnightPhoto

            Well Phil now you are betraying your age and shooting three times longer than the young kid in the other thread 😉

            Here’s the thing, back in the bad old film days and using manual focus that was the “rule” everyone carried around in their head – focus ⅓ into the scene and ⅔ of the DOF will fall behind that point.

            However when you start using DOF calculators (Apps), and other web resources, or common guidance when fine tuning from many an authority, the norm they are all indicating is “tune so that 50% of the DOF falls in front and 50% falls behind.

            Let’s look at DOF calculators, they simply do NOT show the “rule” that we used to apply when manual focussing. I’d be interested to hear what others think, but I don’t think that “rule is actually true” 😉

            Anyhow in effect I am advocating that tuning 50/50 may not suit all shooting situations or shooters. In my case I have found I like to tune for ballpark 33/66 on my 24-70 anyways (or even 25/75), and that seems to be delivering the results I wanted. Downside I do have to be careful to place my focus point on the closest person I want to be in focus and it’s not very forgiving if there was someone closer that I also wanted to be in focus. If I wanted forgiveness in placing my AF point then yes I’d have to tune for more of a 50/50 approach.

          • KnightPhoto

            Sorry Phil I just ran Cambridge in Colour and DOFMaster web calculators and they agree with you (not me). I must have bought a bad App for my smart phone 😉

            • PhilK

              There’s a lot of those out there. 😉

              I was getting ready to pull out the yardstick and upload some test shots. 😀

      • fanboy fagz

        thats your call. ive shot with the tamron 28-75 as a backup when my nikon 28-70 AFS was in repair. shot at f/5 for group pictures and dance floor “look at me shots” and I can say, very happy. this tamron VC is better than that. you have a few options. if no VC is needed go with a used 28-70 AFS, or even a 35-70 AFD or the tamron 28-75 or the 24-70G but that will cost you. I know you have the 24-120G and I know the tamron will better it for sure. ive used the 24-120g. decent but nothing more.

        • Aldo

          I sold the 24-120mm too lol… I coudn’t get over how slow it was… and it needed to be stopped down to get the sharpness I wanted. I’m sure the tamron is a good performer over all… it’s just that for those formal group shots you don’t want people smudged up at the edges… for the candid dance floor shots it’s different. I’m sure you know what I mean.

          • CERO

            how does the 24-120 compared to the sigma 24-105mm?

            • Aldo

              I can’t really tell you… but I’m sure someone else here can… From the reviews it seems the sigma is a better lens “if you get a good copy”, whatever that means. I’m also skeptic about people having ‘bad’ copies as most of the time they simply don’t know how to use the lens and/or don’t bother to fine tune.

            • fanboy fagz

              Im certain without a doubt the sigma is sharper. though from a video I saw on YT, the af is slightly slower on the sigma. dont know how itd be in real world. numbers from dxo favor the sigma but if you believe numbers..I personally dont. I think its wonderful sigma offer the dock to really fine tune focus if you need. I wish nikon would offer calibration for multiple fl on a zoom. the dock allows 5!

            • CERO

              I have the sigma one and its very good for my tastes.. very strong pincushion and distortion on the extremes.. but I do not have the 24-120 to compare.
              One thing that made me wary of the nikon one.. was the supposed heavy cromatic aberration. the Sigma does not have that.
              It seems its always a “this one has this, BUT has THIS problem” and so on.

            • Aldo

              Yeah I know right?

          • fanboy fagz

            sure. I usually try to shoot people zoomed in. meaning go back and get people flat. I try as much as I can to shoot with my 70-200VR1 at 70+mm but when I dont have space to go back, i use the 28-70 AFS and just shoot at f4.5-5 and its just fine. it doesnt need to be razor sharp. I sometimes go just a bit wider and then crop slightly so people at the edges dont get stretched/warped/distorted and are sharper. I also fix perspective distortion just a bit by lifting the corners upwards and inside. this is only when I dont have space to move back and there are a lot of people in the shot. its rare though. I hate moving in and shooting with a wide FL. its usually the opposite. I go back and zoom in. im certain the tamron will be way more than fine. if I didnt have the nikon 28-70 AFS id buy it without hesitation and im certain its sharper than it since its newer advancements in glass tech.
            have you looked at the sigma 24-105 ART?

            • CERO

              the sigma at F5.6 and around 50-60mm is very good imho.

            • Aldo

              Yeah I myself try not to take formal group shots at 24mm using the zoom… but I do need to go wide sometimes at least 35mm…. if the lens will still give me fuzzy, smeared edges it is not usable for me.

              I will look into the sigma as well…. I havent….. although it may be too slow for me… really wish someone came up with another 2.8 VR… I may go back to the nikon or venture with the tokina as spyblack suggested

            • fanboy fagz

              ah the new tokina 24-70..forgot about it. definitely worth looking at. I cannot use VR it makes me nauseous

            • Nikos Skartsilas

              Sigma is a great dissapointment. Plus the dizziness from the anti-nikon zoom ring rotation.

  • T.I.M

    Nikon 24-120mm f/4 VR ($600 new from kits)

    • EnPassant

      I got mine used for the equivalent of $200. that’s why I enjoy sitting in my chair looking at other people!

      • T.I.M

        Seulement $200 c’est l’affaire du siecle !
        :o)

        • EnPassant

          The seller wrote it had some problems with AF. But for the money I could take the chance and surprisingly nobody wanted bidding more despite the lens even without AF is worth more and I sometimes see people paying a lot for lenses that may be unrepairable.

          Sure the AF when testing was hunting like mad sometimes used indoors focused on low contrast areas. Don’t know if that is normal as I had no other copy of the lens to compare with. But I tested with my 70-200/4 Vr and it also hunted a bit although not as much. However as focus in good light and with contrasty subjects is spot on I don’t complain much! :o)

          Affair of the century. Well I hope that is my next! I made some other good deals as way. For exemple I found a Nikon 14mm f/2.8 D lens for just a little bit more than $100. The catch was it had been smashed hard into something bending the built in hood and cutting a few small chips from the front glass. Also something was clearly loose inside. The seller said the lens could be used as a maracas! That was a good description! See photo!

          I guess it may be the AF drive shaft being broken. But as manual focus and electronic connection is fine I haven’t dared try AF and mess it up further. And as long as I don’t go looking for it in close up shots the small damage to the front lens doesn’t matter. So I’m very pleased with that affair as well! :o)

          • Spy Black

            At ~$100, you can send it in for repairs of the internals (skip the glass damage) and it will probably still cost less than buying used.

    • PhilK

      Sorry to say but the IQ there doesn’t exactly bowl me over..

      • Aldo

        That is a difficult shot… for any lens

  • usa

    In the USA, you can also customize your D5 with your name — if you are willing to change your name to Nikon.

    • Aldo

      I wonder who is so much a nikon fanboy as to name his/her son/daughter ‘Nikon’ . Anyone? If I had to choose myself I think I’d name my son Canon … not because of the brand affiliation… but because it would ‘disgrace’ my son a tad less 😛

      • EnPassant

        In my country 6 men carry the name Nikon, one in my county. But none use it as first name. So in USA with 30 times the population I guess around 100 people have the name Nikon.
        But it is not the worst name to get. I for exemple was going in the same school as Richard Nixon. Two normal names, but in that combination not that popular during the Vietnam war and after the Watergate scandal.
        Now one can buy watches with the name Nixon.

      • TylerChappell

        That’s why you’d instead name your son just “Nik”. ;]

  • PhilK

    That’s quite an interesting (if a bit sloppy) Japanese camera industry / Nikon history document.

    I love how he discovered several Japanese companies, in their official company histories, “forgot” that some part of their early incarnation split off to become part of what would eventually become Nippon Kogaku K.K., now known as Nikon. 😀

  • neversink

    The ceramic filters are the first exciting product Sigma has ever put out!!!!!! OK Sigma fan boys – Kill me…. but you are all wrong….
    $12K for a $16.3K lens. How beat up is it really. One drop or bang could screw up this lens. At $8K I might bite. Of course I would test it and B&H has a great return policy. Not sure about the return policy on used equipment.

  • CERO

    speaking of DX lenses.. how good are the new tokinas compared to the old ones? I mean.. I know the old 11-16mm DX II was very good.. but ho does it compare to the newer 24-70mm or the others they just released?

  • Clifford Martin

    While it would be nice to have your name or company name emblazoned on the D5, it will definitely hurt the resale value of the camera in two years when you go to sell the D5 and purchase the D5S.

    Since most people hold onto lens for a lot longer than the camera body refresh cycle, I think it would be better if Nikon offered the name imprint on some of the long telephoto lens.

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