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Nikon D800/E replacement to be announced on June 26th

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I can now confirm the the announcement date for the Nikon D800/E camera replacement: June 26th. Here again are the rumored specifications:

  • The new mode will most likely be called D800s
  • 36MP sensor
  • No AA filter (just like the D800E, this time Nikon will only introduce one model without the AA filter)
  • Improved software to suppress moiré
  • Expeed 4 imaging processor (they may call it Expeed 4a)
  • New higher resolution LCD screen
  • sRAW
  • Improved video capabilities
  • Same AF improvements like in the D4s
  • Improved low light capabilities: one stop better ISO performance
  • Built-in GPS
  • No Built-in Wi-Fi
  • Improved frame rate at 5 fps (6fps with the MB-D12)
  • The new camera will be lighter (compared to the D800/D800E)
  • The price is expected to be higher than the D800E ($3,296.95)
  • The camera will be made in Thailand

 

 

 

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  • Daniel

    Keyword: made in Thailand, higher price

    • JJ168

      Your point is?
      D300s was made in Thailand. D800 with it famous left AF issue was proudly made in Sendai, Japan.

      • Steve

        Very true, the D7100 is my main camera and the D300s is my backup. The D300s has over 100K actuations and is has been thru hell and back, still today it works like the day I bought it.

      • PGi

        The point is all this d800s rumor is wrong and even if it is correct why do we have to pay more than what we paid for the e as this new one is made by cheaper manual workers.

        • Degsy

          You don’t have to pay anything,no one is forcing you to buy it.Nikon sets the price,you piss or get off the pot.Simple

        • JcPhotoMedia

          you do realize that the new factories are in thailand correct? do you also somehow think that the japanese are inherently better at building things than Thai workers? Do you realize that 40 years ago you would be laughed at for buying most things made in japan? Do you realize that a good number of workers in japanese plants are not japanese but rather korean and south east asian? Stop with generalizations.

          • Jeff Hunter

            Japanese camera makers (especially Nikon) have enjoyed outstanding reputations for over 50 years, going back to the early 60s when the new Nikon F was the SLR practically every pro in the world was using.

            • Rich inTX

              right. and American cars are just as good as German cars too, I guess

          • leemy386

            No Koreans work at the Nikon factory in Japan. As Korea is also short hand at their factories and hire foreign workers, why Korean work for Japan? Is there any evidence supporting your words or you have just biased opinions against Korean?

            • JcPhotoMedia

              where is the bias? I was saying that the location of a factory has nothing to do with the quality? I have dealt with many people that think that “made in japan” is inherently better than anywhere else in Asia. the actual implication if you read is that the workers in japan that are supposedly creating the best products are not all japanese. they are from all over asia and the quality is more going to be determined by the newness of the factory…. you were just looking for a problem.

            • leemy386

              You clearly said that Koreans work at the Nikon plants in Japan, implying Koreans are cheap labor. What is your evidence?

        • Art

          You are making a number of assumptions. The primary one is that Nikon’s costs are the same (with the exclusion of labor). It is entirely possible the costs of the parts are the same. There has been inflation since the 800/e first came out. Nikon hasn’t adjusted their prices upward to account for inflation. New technology costs more not just in terms of parts but development as well. There may also be new market pressures on Nikon as well. What if Nikon has new taxes imposed on it. People assume that companies pay taxes. This is false. You pay corporate taxes and they are reflected in the prices you pay. (You actually pay more than the company because supply chains work on multiples. So a 10% tax increase on a company could increase the price more than 300% more than the added costs to the company. ) There can also be more labor to construct the new camera. Quite frankly Nikon is selling them for the lowest price possible given their costs. We can sit here and speculate but we have no idea what Nikon’s costs and market pressures are.

          • bob2

            Simple, if Nikon does not make money ( for it and for its shareholders (that includes anyone that has direct or indirect (MF) investment, like most everyone), then it will go out of business. No more Nikon, no more cameras. All you whiners can go to Canon and Sony and complain, but I’m sure their cameras aren’t made in Japan either. Or Kodak or Polaroid….

          • http://www.lundbergcreative.com Lundberg Creative

            Agreed – and what about Canon, when they first intro’d the 5D MkIII? They were listing that at $3,499! I worked for Mitsubishi TVs for a while – we were selling at too low a margin to try and compete with the Vizios out there and guess what? We ended up shuttering the business in the U.S.

            Not to mention all this arguing and we don’t even have an official announcement and pricing yet. How about we wait until June 26 and pick up the argument then, gents? : )

      • Jack S

        The point is that they’re charging users a higher price for what costs them less to make. It’s basic corporate scumbaggery.

        • DStudio

          Too bad they’re raising the price. You have a right to that camera. What scumbags.

        • Mike

          A for-profit company making a higher margin. The horror!

        • bob2

          Why don’t you work more hours and take less pay? After all, you’d also be scumbaggery for wanting more pay (higher price) for what costs you the same or less to make (your experience/knowledge). Stop thinking like a little child and being led around the nose by the popular media that knows nothing and understands even less.

          It’s called basic business sense 101. Higher prices are due to devalued currencies worldwide and (under-reported) inflation. Every business–CORRECTION–Every person– wants/needs to maximize profits, as the future is uncertain and survivability is not guaranteed.

          • Jack S

            How short-sighted you are.

            If they were offering their Thai workers the same wages as their Japanese workers there’d be no problem. The issue arises when yet another company gives workers in poorer countries the short end of the stick while charging ignorant consumers the prices they’d expect to pay for a more ethically built unit. Trade abstraction at work.

            I am no child, but even a child knows better. Who exactly do you think it is that controls the fractional reserve currencies and inflation? The system is more rigged than your simple mind can likely comprehend. Stop thinking of people as businesses like a dumb economist. Consumer culture has created too many of your kind.

            • D700

              I remember way back then in 2004 when i was looking at a Nikon D100, trying to hold one and feel for it. The sales person asked me, “Why do you like the D100 when the D70 just came out?” In fact they were the same 6 mega-pixels. I told him, that the D100 was made in Japan and the D70 was made in Thailand. I would prefer D100 because it is made in Japan. He asked; “Is it political?”
              I just smiled.

            • Derek

              Funny, I still see D70’s, my brother still uses his. I have never in my life seen a D100.

      • Lcky

        I miss my d300s. Good Times!

    • Daniel D

      till now I’ve seen so many complains about overpriced D800E – what will happened next with this very similar camera but at higher price ???

      • srood

        i think it will came at the same price like the d4 to d4s
        but if it higher price its going to be ugly

        • koenshaku

          Higher than the current price of the D800E the initial D800E launched at a higher price no?

          • umeshrw

            Initially D800E was priced low. The price was hiked twice since then to bring it to current level.

            • Jacob Jexmark

              That’s just not true. At release the MSRP for the D800E was $300 higher than the D800. (3299 vs 2999)

            • umeshrw

              It was higher than that of D800. Yes. But Not the same as D800E launch price. Even D800 price has been hiked to match. I was replying to koenshaku query.

            • Moronerator

              What are you talking about???
              The D800 was $2999 at release, the D800E was $3299 at release… Currently at major retailers they are $2996 and $3296. Yes there have been discounts here and there, rebates, lens/body rebates, etc.. but those have been the suggest retail price since those cameras have been available..

              Many here have their quantified gripe. Nikon is trying to make up for dismal sales of the D800/E through charging a premium for a new body badge and software upgrade…

            • umeshrw

              I am sorry for the misunderstanding. I am from india and here in india nikon has increased the prices of D800e /D800 by approx. 10% twice in 1 years time. That makes it 20% total increase. Albait the price difference between D800 and D800e is kept the same. In indian currency 15000 , and US dollars at 250.

            • truthmonger

              Imagine if the prices were a bit lower. D800S for $2600.00? I’d buy one. $3300.00? Out of my reach. I’m just a poor cop whose paycheck doesn’t increase no matter HOW good I am at my job.
              Put a good price on it, and quite a few people would buy it. Keep the price too high, and sales are limited.

            • Mark

              One thing is for sure, the D800S will be dearer than D800E and less than the D4S.
              If the D800S is out of my price league, here’s hoping that the D800 will come down in price, but by how much and when is the question.

      • JcPhotoMedia

        i really haven’t seen any complaints about the D800E – most people I know that have shot it say it’s the best file they’ve ever used.

    • Spy Black

      That would be 5 keywords.

    • D800sos

      Agreed, fine make it in Thailand, but cheaper

    • Vin

      The D610 is made in Thailand so they are building full frame, its also logical that they trials of the D800 are finished, so I wouldn’t expect any less of quality from Thailand,.. The better mysterious question is what is the mother factory in Japan working on, a Pro level DX DSLR, or a D4X, ? What is coming for Fall? & early 2015?

      • Vin

        Maybe a D710, with new 12mp..

        • R.A.R

          You dream too much… D700 isn’t coming back deal with it!

    • d800e

      After the d800 left af fiasco… made in japan no longer means assured quality to me

  • Daniel D

    It’s a bit disappointing – the new Nikon will have built in GPS – so funny – how many of you are needing a GPS on the camera now? Canon seems to be more inspired and invest a lot of efforts for introducing built in Wi-Fi on the new full frame cameras. so – do you prefer the built in Wi-Fi or the built in GPS?

    • Michael Sloan

      I prefer buit-in GPS and Wi-Fi and Bluetooth! They make all-in-one ASICs, I have one in my Samsung phone that costs thousands lesss, why not my camera?

      • Me

        If you’re using Bluetooth to transfer photo files, I assume you have a lot of time on your hands. Mailing punch cards might be faster.

        • Spy Black

          Bluetooth and Wi-Fi operate on the same frequency and bandwidth.

          • HTH

            And bandwidth? Google is your friend.

        • Michael Sloan

          I wouldn’t want to use Bluetooth to transfer photo files. I want it as an option to control the camera! The problem with Wi-Fi is they have to boost the signal to go a lot further. Bluetooth is short range communications, and it is perfect for controlling the camera remotely. In a pinch, you could transfer files with it. As for Wi-Fi, I bought the Wi-Fi dongle for my D4, way overpriced; anyway, that damned things chews through batteries like I do a bag of Oreo cookies!

      • Mikeltee

        Because the d800s is a professional camera and pros perfer battery life to fluff like wifi and gps. Those items are battery hogs and ALWAYS draining your battery when the power is on.

        • truthmonger

          I’m a pro, and I happen to LIKE wi-fi control of a camera. Sometimes you need to put them where you can’t reach em. Just like controlling my Elinchroms with my iPod.

      • Derek

        I just want my camera to take pictures.

        • Michael Sloan

          You camera doesn’t take pictures? All kidding aside, that is my foremost desire, and I want it to do it very well. But in today’s technology era, there is no reason other additions can’t make our picture capturing/processing experiences better. Right now, Nikon is trying to charge us extra for Airbags, something that should be standard.

    • http://clovisgauzy.fr/ Clovis Gauzy

      Both… :p

      • Fly Moon

        True! But if I have to choose, then GPS!

    • Keith Homan

      I shoot RAW so wireless would be useless for me, as transfer would take forever. GPS I use when I’m out traveling.

    • WEBKOMPAAN

      Crazy in 2014, no Wi-Fi. I recently stood next to a Canon man, uploading his images to his smartphone, a few corrections, and off it went to Facebook, Twitter and his client…

      • JcPhotoMedia

        from what camera? the 5DIII doesn’t do that.

        • Neopulse

          the 6D he’s referring to most likely.

          • JcPhotoMedia

            i know – my point is he is comparing cameras aimed at different markets. The D800 takes the WT5A and is capable of wireless transfer. It is a professional product. The 6D is more in line with D600 which can use wifi with the Wu-1B

            • Neopulse

              Ah ok, thought you actually were curious about it :-P

              To me Wi-Fi is no big thing innovation, wireless tethering is.

            • Raspen

              The key thing is not twitter or facebook – its remote control via bluetooth or wifi. I don’t especially like to lie flat down on the ground to take photos with the 800e. It is obviuos 2014 to be able to use another device (smart mobile/pc/ipad) to control the camera on the ground.

            • http://micahmedia.com/ Micah

              Nikon’s phone software is garbage though. I was very impressed, and a bit jealous, when I saw the Canon phone app. OH…and connecting my Nikon to my phone is incredibly unstable. My phone is otherwise amazing, so I’m going to blame Nikon. (oh, Nikon’s phone connection sucking is also the general consensus, so it’s isn’t just me)

      • Me

        That’s what the second card slot is for. WiFi standards change regularly and building it into the camera will age it faster. This is less of an issue with consumer cameras like the 6D but pro cameras tend to hang around for a long time. Yesterday I saw some D200s in use!

        As an aside, Wifi chipsets fail and regularly. (Google it.) Building it into the camera adds a point of failure and I think the card slot is a more sensible solution. Adding wifi adds a cost, remember. Those who want it can plunk it in.

        Finally, people forget that their home networks are unlike public wifi at stadia. There’s precious little traffic management on most wifi networks and so I’d not depend upon them in work contexts. Best to go, as the OP noted, to your own phone and 3/4G. As such, it’s not a critical path feature to build in.

        I’m also amazed at the howls demanding GPS as a critical feature to build in. How many of you are actually in so many remote locations in a weekly basis that you need a GPS to figure out where they were.

        Even then, don’t you name your directories with client/project titles in plain text? I refuse to believe that the gnashing of teeth that cameras ‘must’ have GPS will provide any need to have improvement in peoples’ workflow other than reduced battery life.

        • Fly Moon

          I don’t think you shoot landscape in the Rockies or travel a lot. If you stay in your neighbourhood then you might have a point!

          • ssd122

            Lol unless you are doing some sort of scientific research and you need to log the exact location of some rare plant or whatever , really who cares. I am pretty sure that when shooting landscapes in the Rockies you would know where you took the damn photo

            I travel extensively all over the world both through my work and for pleasure. I can look at any of the thousands of images I have taken and know where it is , I was there after all. Why would you honestly need to know your exact location down to a meter other than for posting on idiotic look where I am sites on the net.

            • jr456

              Agreed…this is another fad that people claim they “need”. I could care less about Wifi or GPS…they have no bearing on the ability to take pictures.

        • Spy Black

          It doesn’t matter what evolution Wi-Fi standards go through, they’re all backwards-compatible. They’ll simply be a faster spec, but the the older spec will still be faster than the Wi-Fi in your camera now. ;-)

      • PGi

        Only the six dee has it no five dee or one dee has the GPS crap either, you do not need it.

      • Jay Scott

        I really would like Wi-Fi but rather than bellyaching about it I’m going to buy a Wi-Fi capable SD card to which I will shoot a JPEG copy and when I’m ready to throw a few onto social media from my phone I can grab them. My Wi-Fi needs are a lot less than a lot of people, though, so I understand you may want a built-in, top end system for transferring a whole card worth of files.

        • John

          I agree. But instead of a wifi card, I picked up the CamRanger – it’s a great way to remotely control my D800 (up to 150 feet)… I set my cam to shoot RAW + jpg small, I can view the jpgs remotely to ensure my exposure is where I want it.

      • Trond Arild Ydersbond

        Oh, but WiFi is such an advanced thing found in sub $150 smartphones. You can’t really expect Nikon to follow suit there, can you?

      • Andy Aungthwin

        Get a CF card reader and an adapter and you can transfer to your phone or iPad a lot quicker.

        Most phone packages these days offer data transfers so you actually don’t even need wifi to upload to Facebook. BTW, what would this Canon man do if there was no wifi?

        Making corrections on a phone (or even in camera), are you serious?

        Time you switched over to Canon and then you will see that it will make no difference.

      • jr456

        Editing for clients on his phone? Really? People should take more pride in their end product than that.

        If I’m shooting with a D800 I’m sure as hell not going to be editing on the camera or the phone…what a waste of image quality to send things out to clients like that.

        • WEBKOMPAAN

          Why not? Some images have to be delivered quick and do not have to be super optimized for first use, like online newspapers. I know of a newspapers that takes images taken by reporters’ phones because the professional photographer is always too late. And with ‘too late’ I even mean 30 minutes or so ;)

      • Daniel D

        I read about next professional Canon camera – that it will be made in Japan and it will be featured with built in GPS and built in Wi- Fi. They’ll improve the 1Dx model AF system , as well – nothing yet about film capabilities.

      • Derek

        Its so funny to read all the complaints when a new camera is introduced. Everything in this world, other than gas prices, is getting better at an astounding rate. Yet, it is never good enough. WEBKOMPAAN, why not switch to Canon? Better yet, if the people in your life are that freak’n impatient get new friends and clients!

    • Patrick O’Connor

      Right now, I carry a Garmin GPS to record my location and later use the track file to import the coordinates into my photos. I would love to have in-camera GPS. I would never use Wi-Fi but then, everyone has different needs.

      • jorge

        even easier I think: snap a photo with my iPhone. Done.
        GPS recorded.

        • Patrick O’Connor

          Why would anyone care where a crappy photo was taken?

          • bob2

            +1 LOL

    • Guest

      I prefer GPS over WiFi, once I travel too much, and once WiFi will not be used by my me anyhow…

      • decisivemoment

        Definitely they’re doing the right thing with GPS here. Besides, with the plastic inserts the D800 uses for the card slot assembly and front grip, it’s realistic to stick a WiFi SD card and relay it to your phone if you must; it’s not as though you’ve got a large chunk of metal in the way blocking the signal. One concern about GPS in conjunction with lighter weight is it means the metal top plate is probably toast. I hope it means some kind of carbon fiber top plate; I fear something weaker than that.

      • PGi

        If you go to North Korea or even Cuba you may be arrested for it, I know some guys using GPS in china got arrested

        • Mr. Mamiya

          Can you provide a reference for GPS in China? I mean, you can get in trouble for many things in China. E.g. writing bad things about the government. But that doesn’t mean that pens are generally forbidden in China.

    • Fly Moon

      I prefer GPS than WiFi. Why do I care about WiFi while I am in the mountains shooting landscape or in the studio shooting portraits? I have my GPS attached on my D800E 80% of the time.

      • dfs

        Why would you need GPS in the studio have you forgotten where it is lol

    • PGi

      Wifi is good but in camera gps is a big issue for those who travel and work in china or North Korea.

      • Mr. Mamiya

        To my knowledge GPS is currently an issue in North Korea (which isn’t travelled much anyway unless you’re Dennis Rodman), Algeria (too bad, if you’re lost in the desert) and Cuba (where GPS in cellphones is practically accepted for tourists). China? Don’t they have GPS in their smartphones?

    • Zinchuk

      Three years agoI was telling the NPS reps the D4 needed both GPS and wifi in it. Its ridiculous that consumer grade crap has one or the other or both, and the pro equipment needs a stupid module that takes up space that should be used for other hardware, like flashes.

      • Mike

        Consumer grade crap had AF before pro bodies did. Consumer grade crap had video before pro bodies. Sometimes consumer grade crap are beta testers in disguise. :-)

    • Pat Mann

      I definitely have a need for GPS in the camera in order to record precisely where wildlife and documentary shots are taken. I need to release remotely, and with my D300s you can’t have both remote release and GPS operating because they both need the 10-pin connector. Perhaps better with the D800 already if it can use one of the other inputs for remote release – I haven’t checked. The Nikon GPS dongle is a real PITA – the cable has perhaps a 1-year life with normal occasional use – frayed already with perhaps 15 hours of use for me.

      • Richard

        My di-GPS Pro from Hong Kong has a 10-pin socket on toip of the unit, which takes a remote release!

    • Mr. Mamiya

      I’d like to see both in my camera. GPS is very handy when you’re traveling. I’ve got a very practical and affordable receiver from Aokatec for that.
      I’d also love to use Wifi. Not so much for image transfer, but for remote control and remote live view on my (i)phone with e.g. Helicon Remote.

      The D5300 can do both, why not the more advanced D800? And if not, why can’t they make an affordable Wifi module? Why does it take a stupid, huge and madly expensive LAN + Wifi module for 1200 Euro for the D800?

    • kotozafy

      GPS is a fairly cheap accessory especially when you pick one from a thirdparty maker. Nikon Wifi control is horribly expensive and cumbersome device. So if I had to choose, i would prefer a built-in wifi for remote control of all the the camera’s functions with a smartphone app.

  • JH

    If you are in the middle of nowhere, it is nice to know where the picture was taken. In the middle of the amazon jungle or some ruins somewhere, now where were those again, then you just have to look at the picture and get the GPS info.

    • Fly Moon

      Exactly! People who don’t travel don’t get your point!

      • TheInconvenientRuth

        I use GPS to remind me in which part of my house my cat was when I took that cat picture.

        • ShaoLynx

          I’m sorry Ruth, but i’m afraid that you suffer from two obsessions: you camera GPS,… and wild lettuce. I suggest you seek out counseling for these. It helps.

        • Jorge

          HAHAHAHAHAHA
          Best comment yet

      • BobTB

        Does your travel involve being kidnapped ,blindfolded transported to an exotic unknown environment and made to take photos .Or as with everyone else on the planet ,you are traveling to a specific location with a goal in mind.

        @ Fly Moon , please let us know where you have traveled to that you didn’t know where you were .Unless you are some form of scientific explorer hunting in unexplored territory for new and unique biological species and thus have a genuine reason for wanting very specific data . Beyond posting on websites who cares

    • Jorge

      snap a shot with my iPhone. Done. GPS recorded

    • neversink

      I’m in the middle of nowhere a lot in Africa…. I do not need to have GPS on my camera, nor do my clients ever request it….

  • Michael Sloan

    Who is going to buy imediately, or wait and see what potential quality control issues will be in this new camera? Thumbs-up=Buy Now, Thumbs-Down=Wait and See, No Thumbs=Not Interested.

    • decisivemoment

      Depends. Normally I’d skip a generation. If the “s” moire reduction capabilities are supported by NX2, and if NR is wrong about the capture rates and it actually goes up to seven or eight in crop mode on the grip, then I may bite.

    • http://inthemistphoto.com/ InTheMist

      6FPS with grip, slightly better ISO and GPS make it a must buy for me. Silly Disqus doesn’t count thumbs downs any more.

    • photopete91

      at anything under $5000 it would be a steal. sadly, I won’t be able to afford it even if it was $1000. lol

  • Dustin 4WD

    I already have a D800e…..zzZZZ

    • Keith Homan

      I was dumb not to go with the D800e, instead I went with the D800.

      • decisivemoment

        Why dumb? I went with two D800’s, and now that the focus is finally fixed, I think they’re great. Going with the standard meant $1000 extra to spend on glass, and no worries in post process, as far as I’m concerned. Five years from now the software will be good enough that antialiasing will be a thing of the past, but we’re not there yet, and the circumstances under which the D800E’s advantage is significant are limited.

        • photoroto

          OTOH the D800e is an unbeatable landscape marvel! When I got my D800e I ditched my MF equipment not because the D800e was cheaper or lighter, but because it was better even with relatively cheap glass like the 55mm AIS Micro Nikkor, which is the poor man’s Otus. I’ll be up at midnight to place my pre-order, just tell me when and where!

        • Keith Homan

          When did they fix the focus issue? I bought mine six months after it was released.

          • decisivemoment

            I’m not sure whether they have at the factory, though they clearly now know how to fix it. They were still cranking out crocked cameras at least through late last fall 2013 when I got my second. I recently had mine reprogrammed at APS in the Chicago area who received the D800 calibration equipment from Nikon earlier this spring, and it is transformative, I can tell you. Not only did they comprehensively fix the asymmetry (synchronization, I think they call it), I was able to get rid of the back focus adjustment altogether on most lenses and sharply reduce it on the remaining one or two.

            I gather that rather than test each individual point, they start from scratch loading in a complete new set of data after first having ensured the camera is physically to spec.

            • Keith Homan

              That’s excellent. I think I’ll do the same with my camera. Thanks for the advise about sending it in.

        • Greg

          Aliasing can’t be fixed in software. Moire suppression just means the software is looking for funky patterns that it recognizes and masks them– it’s assuming that what it sees is aliasing.

          I think what we’re seeing is that either a) most lenses aren’t sharp enough to out resolve the sensor, or b) the human eye doesn’t care about aliasing except when it affects geometric patterns that we recognize (closely spaced lines, for example).

          I went with the D800 because I wasn’t sure how big a problem aliasing would be and the small improvement in resolution seemed small compared to the hassle of painting out moire. It’s starting to look like it’s not much of a problem though.

  • Xavier Duquesne

    Of course people will wait first general impressions before buying but on paper, it sure looks appealing. So far, every camera announced either missed one specification or was way out of reach. This one, again on paper, seems to have it all. If the improved high ISO is really clean as the D4, I’d love to own this camera as an upgrade for my D600.
    For those owning a D800 or D800E, the upgrade might not be so usefull but hey : it sounds like a winner to me !

  • story_teller904

    6fps with 36MP RAWs lol

    • decisivemoment

      When the JPEGs are this good, why shoot 6fps in NEF at all? Save raw shooting for the single-shot set pieces you need it for.

  • Arsen

    I would buy this an upgrade for my D800E , just for the better LCD, Improved ISO . GPS is a bonus.. My main reason is that it will be one of the last camera’s that will probably have Capture NX2 Support with U point technology and this is extremely important for my processing workflow. The D800E has been the best camera I have ever owned, After two years of serious use, the Image Quality just blows me away.. This was the camera that made me switch from Canon to Nikon. Best decision that I have made in Photography.. If they don’t support Capture Nx2 with the new camera, then I wont buy it.

    • Gary

      Same here – if CNX2 doesn’t support the 800s then it’ll be years before I’d upgrade my 800. If CNX2 does support it then I’ll upgrade straight away.

      • Arsen

        Gary, someone else shares my view.. with capture nx2 support.. If they announce it and still support Capture nx2, I will order the day they announce it. Then this camera will serve my needs for many years to come. My guess is that they will still need to support Capture Nx2 because their stupid Capture Nx-D is still in beta and hope it never makes it to the shelf..:)

        • neversink

          I can get the same image quality out of LR5 or Capture One 7 without the tedious interface of Capture NX2 and without the tortoise-like processing…. Capture NX2, granted, is wonderful, but it feels like Nikon has abandoned it.

          • AnotherView

            I won’t necessarily argue about the IQ, but as far as one-off edits are concerned, NX2 still runs rings around LR as far as speed and capability is concerned (unless you’re just doing global adjustments). It’s not even close.

    • Troy

      I agree totally!

  • http://www.naturettl.com/ Will Nicholls

    Do you expect a crop mode for video?

  • srood

    i was looking at nikon to go ff from sony a65
    but no way to pay higher price that d800e (that is one of the reasons that i don’t want to go canon the 5dm3 or its successor will be at 3500$ very expensive for me )
    hope sony release the a99 successor with 36mp and lower price than both canikon

  • Jenny

    Price higher that $ 3,299 ?? WTF
    So Nikon you want to improve the sales and the balance sheet and push the people to FF so…
    The only decent FF priced at $ 3,499 (Maybe ?) higher that ever, instead to offer more for less money.
    Don’t care what the people want, well for sure you’ll get higher sales… on your good dreams…
    The downturn in Europe is still in actions.

    The sales of your Consumer D610 ($1,999). is pretty disappointing.
    Crazy…
    The people want a new D700 but Nikon give you D610, the people expect a new D300s but Nikon give you a crippled overpriced Df that nobody care.
    The D800 is still the king on the market with a damn left focus defect… you ignore it for so long and you launch a slight improved camera asking for more and you expect the peoples rush to buy it.

    • Neopulse

      Cry much Jenny?

      It will have integrated GPS which in turn saves money for the consumer buying a separate piece of hardware for it and less likely for something else to get damaged. A lot of people who depend on GPS on their high MP camera will be pleased with this update. The increase in price is justified (as long as it doesn’t hit $3.7k).

      I owned the D800 with no left-AF problem so it has no place your comment overstating that all models had this problem.

      • Click

        I prefer Wifi instad of GPS. I always take my mobile with me with GPS. With the app OSM-Tracker and the software Geosetter or even with Lightroom I add easily the GPS-Data to my photos.

        • Neopulse

          Cool I guess. There’s a crowd for each thing that a person favors.

    • Thor

      The relatively small group of unhappy D700 and D300 owners seem to have a tendency to name themselves “the people”, “the masses” or simply “we”. The early D800 focus issue is fixed a long time ago, and the Df actually sells unexpectedly well in a falling camera market. But wait, there might still be a couple of new models coming this year… Won’t cheer you up anyway, I guess.

    • photopete91

      $3299 is a bad price? Do you remember how much the D3X cost when it came out, and how much it still costs? Hmmm….

  • Anonymous Coward

    Pixel binning (sRAW) will finally shut the pie hole on all of the whiners who complain about the raw files being “too big”. Plus it should give less noise at higher ISO for the other whiners that seem to like to shoot black cats in coal mines at f/64. I’ll take two, and if you can’t afford it STFU about the price. Have a nice day.

    • Eric Duminil

      sRAW will probably be only 5MB smaller than full RAW, and won’t be worth it.

      • Anonymous Coward

        Uhh, no. If you guys actually read the article
        http://nikonrumors.com/2014/05/21/what-exactly-is-the-new-nikon-sraw-file-format.aspx/d
        It says that “The file size is insignificantly smaller than full resolution 12-bit lossy compressed NEF”

        Read this table here if they still teach that skill in school

        http://updates.rawdigger.com/data/D4s/D4s_Modes.txt

        What a bunch of morons…

        • Eric Duminil

          Wow. My a-hole detector just exploded.
          “insignificantly smaller” : I’m not sure it means what you think it means.
          And please read that table again : 12-bit small RAW is 13MB, lossy 12-bit full RAW is 12MB.
          Who’s the moron now?

          • Anonymous Coward

            Dude, you said “full raw”, sRAW is less than half the size of a 14bit lossless uncompressed one as d800_shooter points out below. Get your facts and terminology straight before your next post.

        • d800e_shooter

          it is still significantly smaller than the 14-bit lossless compressed RAW, which is the default RAW setting for 90% of the ppl who shoot raw.

    • Jorge

      sRAW IS NOT a raw file. It’s been cooked. Period. I would never, ever use that. I bought my D800 to shoot weddings when needed, and landscapes, and family. The 800 in combo with my X-T1, and my X-E1 complete me (LOL)

    • Patrick O’Connor

      Whining is not dependent on the subject matter. I’m sure some people “whined” about the files being too big but some of us just said, ‘too big, pass.’ No whining. Just a reason to not buy it. No different than any other reason, not that anyone needs a reason to not do something. Well… unless they don’t want to buy health insurance in the US.

  • John M

    Congratulations, Nikon! You have priced me out of this market. I can no longer afford anything above consumer-grade FX camera bodies. :(

    • Anonymous Coward

      Price price price, cry me a river… Work harder, and STFU.

      • fjfjjj

        Yeah everyone in the US just needs to work harder. Twenty years ago, people could work a normal down-to-earth service job, and make enough money to raise a family, put a downpayment on a home, buy good quality groceries, and save up for professional equipment to support their hobby. I don’t know what changed, but it definitely wasn’t the wholesale destruction of the middle class. I don’t care what the data says! It’s obvious that people are just getting lazier and complaining more about being poor. I have a garage full of nice German cars and shoot a Leica S2 because I decided mercilessly power my way to the top of my profession. Why don’t all these poor people asking to wash my windshield just do basically the same thing and shut the fuck up? Also I’m tired of being blamed for the world’s ills just for being in the 0.01%, where do you think all my money came from, you think I stole it from the middle class? No, I earned it, and the middle class are only poor cause they spend all their money on Taco Bell.

        • Trond Arild Ydersbond

          Finally one who got it! ;-)

        • photopete91

          Or you could be like me. I eat ramen every day, so i can afford my expensive photography gear. lol

        • Jeff Hunter

          Everyone can’t be at the “top” or it would not be the “top”. Middle-class consumers drive the economy. When their income stagnates the economy stagnates. By definition the middle-class is not poor.

          • fjfjjj

            What middle class?

            • Troy

              Me, thanks for asking. Doing just fine earning and saving in the “middle”.

        • iamlucky13

          I’ve looked pretty hard over the last couple of years for this “wholesale destruction of the middle class” that people keep talking about.

          Just within the camera market, I have a lot of trouble spotting it. Nikon says, for example, that in 1991 they had sold an average 76,000 F4 bodies per year over the previous 3 years. Today? As many as 30,000 D800 bodies PER MONTH.

          Then from various sources I learn trivia like the fact that the average new home size has grown by 300 square feet in the last 20 years (often while adding features that disproportionately increase cost, like more bathrooms, fancier kitchens, A/C, larger garages, etc.) (reference Census Bureau), car ownership has continued its long upward trend by increasing 10% per capita over the last 20 years (DOE), the range of health care treatments Americans received has not declined, as many claim, but broadened, representing 3 times as much spending per person as in 1990 (CDC), and the industry that signifies discretionary income like other, cruise lines, have seen their business jump 450% since 1990 (Cruisemarketwatch.com).

          So I excuse me while I view the “destruction of the middle class” with skepticism. It seems there is more to standard of living than the Gini coefficient.

          • fjfjjj

            Home sales and luxury home features bloated upwards on the back of Fed-subsidized mortgage lending. Same with car ownership via Fed-subsidized GMAC financing, while car sales trend up even faster because of channel stuffing. (Meanwhile per capita gasoline consumption collapsed.) The variety of health treatments has ballooned among those with health insurance, while the insured group shrank, with shrinkage cut short only by government-subsidized gifts to publicly-traded HMOs (Obamacare). Cruise lines have done well because they’re cheap shitty vacations for people who can’t afford other ways to get away. Other vacation options have suffered along with declining travel in the family car. The middle class is a disenfranchised zombie on life support. Spend a few months reading Zerohedge and catch up. ;-)

          • John M

            “Average income has been increasing, dragged upward by the mushrooming paydays of the 1%. But median income, which represents the midpoint in the distribution of income, has been falling. Median household income, adjusted for inflation, is now about $53,000, according to Sentier Research. That’s about 7% lower than it was in 2000 — one sure sign middle class living standards have declined.”

            http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/the-middle-class-is-even-worse-off-than-the-numbers-show-181906188.html

            You can’t measure the increaase of someone’s standard of living by how many things they have. You have to look at WHAT things they have, and increasingly WHAT they have is cheap goods produced in 3rd world countries by underpaid workers, funded by an increase in their own person debt at the expense of their long-term savings and financial solvancy.

            • iamlucky13

              “You can’t measure the increaase of someone’s standard of living by how
              many things they have. You have to look at WHAT things they have, and increasingly WHAT they have is cheap goods “

              Which is precisely why I did not talk about how many things they had. I talked about what they have:

              – Bigger houses with more amenities

              – More, safer, longer lasting automobiles
              – More comprehensive and advanced healthcare.

              – More elaborate vacations
              – All on top of cheap goods produced in foreign countries by underpaid workers, such as digital SLR cameras.

              The debt problem I agree with you on, although we both disagree with most of the current people in Congress and the president, all of whom insist that debt is good, and we must spend more to stimulate the economy.

            • John M

              Your data is incorrect or poorly attributed.

              1) Homes are getting smaller, not larger. http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/kbenfield/us_home_size_preferences_final.html

              2) Quality of homes, autos, and goods are a function of manufacturing maturity more than buying power. Stuff lasts longer because technology improves not because people have more money to spend on better goods.

              3) I don’t know where your vacation statistic comes from. Source?

              4) Publicly-held debt is not the primary issue I am referring to. It’s personal debt, specifically, high-interest rate debt that is not backed by an asset, such as revolving credit accounts like traditional credit cards and store charge cards. Using these is basically paying an increasing amount of money for a depreciating asset with a fixed lifespan. And it’s what most people do instead of saving. Public debt, which you are referring to, is hardly the primary, nor the most direct, source of financial insecurity in the typical American household.

      • John M

        It’s merely a statement of fact. Instead of introducing newer models at the same price point, Nikon is doing so at increasing price points, even accounting for inflation and currency exchange rates.

        But, clearly they know what they are doing since their financials have been so stellar, right?

    • Me

      Wow, familiarity breeds contempt. Search back two years to when the D800/D800e was announced and there was a 72-hour long debate on every photography forum about how the price had to be an error because it was so low at only $3300.

      Hey, where are the D700 ding-dongs? I guess it’s still early on Sunday and they’re sleeping in?

      • photopete91

        Yeah look at how much the D3X is STILL selling for! And other than the body build, my D610 blows it away.

      • Troy

        I use my d700 for low light event photography and sports work. Yes, WORK you “ding dong”. Looking for a better Nikon just for video and my architectural work.

  • Derrick Hodges

    I’ll sell my d800e and get one. I like the one stop better ISO and better autofocus.

    • Fly Moon

      Same here

    • Eric Duminil

      one stop better ISO is probably JPG only.

      • d800e_shooter

        hard to say at this point. just removing the stacked AA filters (they cancel out each other to create the “no-AA effect” from the D800E may mean a bit of extra photons hitting the sensor. the stacked AA filter might cause a bit of a light loss.

        • Vin

          Interesting thought, makes you wonder where they pulled the extra stop of better light quality from, same with D4 to D4s, software, or hardware?

          • Vin

            The rest seems to be a result of expeed 4 and basic camera updates.

      • Derrick Hodges

        Hope its Raw

  • Edmilson

    PLEASE INTEGRATED WIFI we pay even 150 bucks more (so you dont get the money instead of buying wt-4/5 shit adapter),

    carry less accesories – enjoy more

    Want WIFI functions/transfering/ remote control like OMD-EM1 or FUJI XT-1!!!

    NIKON come up….

    “Innovations distinguishes between leaders and followers!” (S. Jobs, 2011)

    Even as one of the market dominating player you should never be too certain that you have (futural) success without or less innovations….success cannot be guaranteed….

    • TheInconvenientRuth

      Oh for pete’s sake when are you crying whining wifi monkeys EVER gonna realise you can’t put good wifi in a metal body without removing a large chunk of metal and making it weaker.
      That’s why cheap compacts have wifi. They’re made of plastic.

      • Essien

        OMD EM1 and Fuji XT-1 fully magnesium alloy bodies….

        I would love to have those wifi functions if i have to pay even 200 more or just if there is one part out of plastic…

        • Patrick O’Connor

          and that would be great for you but what about those of us who have no need for wifi and don’t want to pay $200 more!?

      • ShaoLynx

        …the GPS antenna…
        goes round the outside,
        round the outside,
        round the outside [sound of funky scratching vinyl disk]
        It’s a matter of design, isn’t it?

      • Raspen

        Clearly you are not an engineer. You should not comment if you have no clue what you’re talking about. Radio transmission only need a radio antenna on the outside/integrated in the plastic surface.

        • mikeswitz

          No, she’s a photographer. She actually uses cameras and doesn’t just talk about them.

      • neversink

        These wifi technocrats should just shoot with an iPhone. I don’t need wifi in my cameras. I don’t need got tagging in my DSLR bodies. No client has ever asked me for it. I tell my clients where the photos were shot. That’s all they care about. They don’t need to know which mud hole I was standing in when I took the photo.

    • Omar Salgado

      What is Wi-FI useful for?

      Integrating Wi-Fi into the body is hardly an innovation; it is just an incremental update at best.

      • Pat Mann

        Wireless tethering to tablet or computer.

        • Omar Salgado

          I know. We live in a rush.

  • STEVEN SPIELBRICK

    It is the next model I am interested in. The D900 50plus MP and Four wheel drive, anti lock brakes.

    • nikon marketing strategist

      It will be 72MP and it will not have wheels for mobility. It will come in 6 pastel shades and with a set of charming stickers for customisation.

    • reignoffire

      don’t forget the cup holders :P

    • Fifi

      And diff locks plus winch, AC optional. A little built-in fridge would be handy.

  • Edmilson

    I thought that the d7200/d400 will come at first and then the successor of the d800……in order to improve the d800 further…..
    WIFI, U1/U2 modes, bracketing 3 pictures every LV +/-4 (d600 makes +/-3)….

    What a bummer….

    • TheInconvenientRuth

      Of course not. Nikon want to get as many people as possible to switch to FX. So first a nice juicy D800 successor. Then, for those who really won’t go FX, the might just release a d400/D9300, but you can be pretty sure it will be the last ‘pro’ dx camera.

      • Patrick O’Connor

        You’re probably right about it being the last one but the market will have dictated that; not Nikon.

      • ok20500

        I suppose, they also need to think about the production facilities for the cameras. If the production of D800s is moved to Thailand, then the most probable place for the production of D9300 (or whatever it is called) is Sendai. So, they need to move the production of D800 out of Sendai, before they can build a new assembly line for D9300 there. That’s pure speculation of course, but that’s my guess …

  • decisivemoment

    The pricing is disappointing. I can only hope that in conjunction with the weight reduction and the off-shoring there’s some sort of use of carbon fiber or something like that going on in order to increase strength, which the D800 needs.

    Also disappointing and a little surprising, the fact that with the bandwidth constraints effectively removed with Expeed 4, capture rates aren’t going up more. 5 frames per second on the standard 7 volt battery you expect, but being limited to 6 regardless of image size and regardless of whether you have a 9.6 volt set of NiMH rechargeables, a 10.8 volt EN-EL18 or 8 AA lithium batteries, or 12 volts worth of alkaline batteries — that’s kind of lame. The Fujitsu chip speculated to be Expeed 4 has a lot more than a 50 percent gain in bandwidth, and even if the actual Expeed 4 is limited to 50 percent, there’s still a ton of overhead in 1.2x and DX modes that isn’t being used. So they’ve cheaped out somewhere else, like in the mirror and shutter.

    Other idle speculation; with Expeed 4, the LiveView should be greatly improved due to the higher bandwidth and better high ISO processing. Card speeds should be up again, at least to D7100 levels on the SD slot (60MB per second write on a top of the line Sandisk card as opposed to the low 40s). Part of the story with lighter weight may be in the top plate; with built-in GPS, they’ll want to have found some way of making a structurally sound top plate out of something other than metal, so that signals can penetrate the skin of the camera. The improved moire reduction is ominous to me from the point of Capture NX2; let’s hope this feature makes it into one last update for NX2. Presumably there’s another Expeed 4 story on video, probably a lot more 60 fps, and could we hope for better quality downsampling?

    Question for NR; will the new camera fully support UHS-II (280MB/s) SD cards?

    The other new features are fairly impressive for an S update, but color me skeptical about the value proposition with regard to the price. The improved AF will be a big deal for many and with the other features, I can definitely see pricing it at the D800E level, but with the discontinuance of the D800 and the decline of the yen, not above that. It looks like they’re trying to build a rationale for the excessive levels at which they’ve set Df and D4s prices. OK, Nikon, but if you really intend to occupy this territory and hold it — and to turn your financial results around you probably have to try — you can’t afford your recent sloppy tolerances in manufacturing, especially on focusing systems and optics. The name has to become synonymous with quality again, and that means 1980s AIS-lens standard fit and finish and durability and sample consistency, and quality on bodies Nikon has arguably never attained before.

    • d800e_shooter

      The problem with the fps is likely more sensor read out than anything. The sony A7R with a smiliar sensor is restrained to 4fps. this type of high quality sony sensor has one major weekpoint: the read out time isn’t all that great.

  • STEVEN SPIELBRICK

    I am a Nikon D800 Owner…This makes me truly think. Since my camera was produced in Sendai, Japan…I bet all D800 will go up in price! Since the new Thailand D800s Camera is Not made in Japan.

    • Fly Moon

      Personally I don’t care if it’s made in Japan or Thailand. Do you think Apple’s iMac made in the US more expensive or better than the ones made in China? No.

    • Spy Black

      You’re thinking too much. Go out an shoot.

      • STEVEN SPIELBRICK

        I am Today at Panuluu.

  • BRYANL

    I am kinda on the fence…My current D800e is quite a remarkable camera..I have to say (and I had the d800) that my d 800e produces images that blow my mind…but like anything..they are just a few things I wish it had..And this new model may be enough to get one…Admin..do you think that this new camera will also have (finally) the user recall modes ?? U1 U2 etc..

    • Manuela

      I am afraid not. The custom setting banks would be much more useful if there were a save-function.

  • Rhen Knockwell

    Hope it comes with a new 18-xxx zoom. Sorely needed with nano coating and improved lens hood.

  • PGi

    The d800s rumor is wrong, it must be called d810.

    • photoroto

      Betcha’ not! NR has been pretty spot-on about micro details like that. “D810″ would also be too logical. Nikon usually reserves logic for its lesser cameras.

      • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

        I am still not sure about the name. Most of the information points to a D800s. Only one of my sources told me it will be a D810.

        • Shaun V.

          I truly hope it’s called the D800s. But then again, I’m truly hoping in 2 years Nikon isn’t planning to call the D900 the D810 either… I know its just psychological, but if you have been shooting Nikon DSLRs since the D1 series, doesn’t a D810 sound kinda awkward and lame? It could have the most revolutionary tech in it, but a D810 kinda makes you feel the D820 is right around the corner…

          I’m sure there has to be others that feel this way too… I’m sure Nikon knows this as well!

          A D900 makes you feel, from a psychological standpoint anyways, I have to have this camera! A D810 however is more of a, meh, I already have a D800 i don’t need to upgrade, I can wait for the D820 or D830.

          Nikon really screwed the pooch when they released the D70. It should have been D1, D10, and D100. Now we all have strangely named cameras… Who wants a D9300?? Nikon could re-release the D300s and call it the D400 and I’d buy it on name alone. There has to be others that feel this way too… I know you are out there!!!

          • Global

            Who cares what the name is.

            • Maji

              The naming is also something for some NR readers to bitch about. Some bitch about too many MPx, some about too high price, some about WiFi/GPS, some about built in Thailand and some even about the name. I just bitch about other bitching :)

            • JJ168

              lol
              +100000

          • http://www.gradyphoto.com/ Pete Grady

            When the name of a camera becomes more important than what you do with it, you need to get a new hobby. How about calligraphy?

        • broxibear

          This is the first place that’s not rumour site, or a reference to this site, that mentions a D800 that’s not the D800 or D800E…it says D800x

          http://www.zol.com/detail/digital_camera/Nikon/10918158.html
          Chinese site, the page popped up a few hours ago.

          • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

            This site will list anything – they have been doing it for a while.

            • broxibear

              Yeah you’re probably right, I just found it interesting that they went with D800x and not D800s.

  • Saffron Blaze

    I was just about to trade up to the D800 series for my trusty D700, but will wait now.

  • Richard

    D800s will have built in GPS? At a guess the same GPS module as in D5300?

    I’ve been finding, as I get older, that my D3s (and even D700) are getting heavy for a day’s hike, so I’ve bought a D5300. I thought that I wouldn’t need to take Garmin along too for a track-log, but, alas, there is yet another bit of “Nikon knows best, dear!” The track-log is saved not in .gpx, which pretty well any GIS program will take, but in a Nikon proprietory .LOG format, which (so far as I can discover) only ViewNX2 will use, and, given that it isn’t a GIS program, it calls Googlemaps, thereby requiring internet access.

    So I just have to continue taking Garmin GPSmap62cs along just the same.

    Really not clever! Anybody like to run up a little conversion utility?

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      Those are the rumors. I could be wrong of course, but this is the best information I have for now.

    • Patrick O’Connor

      I’ve never had a camera with GPS but I’d heard they’re not as accurate or quick to lock on as a handheld unit. Any truth to that? Even with an in-camera GPS, I might stick with my Garmin…

      • Richard

        The D5300 provides for “Location Data” For some reason not “GPS” but does use a-GPS, which involves downloading a small .ee file, copying it to the NIKON folder on SD card, and then updating the camera from the card. Each file lasts for 28 days, but the D5300 only takes 14 days at a time. I think the .ee is the Ephemeris Table, which lets the GPS chip get a lock a lot quicker than just looking up and hoping!

        Of course, Nikon does not identify which GPS chip it uses, and without a blush the manual says that it may be several hundred metres off! My Garmin is usually in Scotland happy to 6 metres! The D5300’s GPS doesn’t seem to eat battery, but…

    • Captain Megaton

      If you want to do anything more complicated that just geo-tag your photos you are probably going to need something more sophisticated than the in-camera GPS. The log/gis issue just drives the point home.

  • Paul

    That higher price is going to suck. When do the instant rebates kick in?

    • Captain Megaton

      Just after all the saps who can’t possibly wait are done buying them.

  • DMan

    Made in Thailand and price could be higher than made in Japan what about that ??

    • Captain Megaton

      Sounds like Nikon is making good on their promise to increase profitability.

    • NakayamaHanzaemon

      The D800/E was supposed to be made-in-Thailand, but Thailand floods changed everything. Nikon turned to the initial plan. That’s it.

  • vince

    So suppose the camera is announced on the 26th of june.. when would it be released then?

    • koenshaku

      When they say it will after the announcement…

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      Usually 30 days after announcement.

      • ed

        I guess it will be the 1 August…..;)

        On Firday is the end of a week before weekend (shops can make events at the weekends saturday/sunday)
        And Nikon is always leaning towards Thursday or Fridays as a releasing date for products…

  • Jeff Hunter

    I’m still happy with my D800. I’ll wait for at least two more years for the D900 plus another six months after it hits the stores for any bugs to rear their heads. I’m very glad to see the ant-aliasing issue is being eliminated and the two current models are being combined into one.

    • Cos

      I own D800e for more than a year and did not ever experienced moire issue. New camera without AA filter is the right way to go.

      • Jeff Hunter

        Glad to hear that. I debated over that issue and decided to play it safe and buy the D800. No complaints with the D800, as I was moving up from a D90.

  • Hey Hum

    6fps frame rate with the MB-D12 that will be in DX mode only?

    • Robert

      I believe no. The D800/E has 4 f/s without grip in Fx, 5 f/s with grip in Fx and 6 f/s with grip in Dx. The D800s will have 5 f/s without grip in Fx and 6 f/s with grip in Fx.

      • Hey Hum

        If you are correct my disinterest will be diminished.

      • Manuela

        In FX mode D800/E has only 4fps regardless of whether grip is attached or not.

        • Robert

          You are right. Thank you for the correction.

          The D800/E has 4 f/s without grip in Fx, 5 f/s without grip in Dx and 6 f/s
          with grip in Dx.

          The D800s will have 5 f/s without grip in Fx and 6 f/s
          with grip in Fx (source, see above).

          “Improved frame rate at 5 fps (6fps with the MB-D12)”

          • Manuela

            I would not have believed it before I had the D800E, but 6fps is a significant improvement compared to 4fps (had the D700+grip before)

    • MarkG70

      As owner of a D800, you will see very soon than shooting at 4, 5 or 6 fps is a no brainer. Unless you have at home a mega compter and plenty of storage. I’m not sure you will appreciate to come back home with 4 or 500 Gb of images

  • JohnT

    Admin, heard anything about lens announcements in the next few months? I’m hoping for a 24-70 replacement with VR…

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      Nothing for now.

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      Nothing for now.

    • Neopulse

      I prefer better optic elements/sealing/durability instead of VR for such a short focal length.

      • Robert

        I agree. Lower weight would be nice as well. VR adds a bit of weight and is only somewhat useful from 50 mm and up IMO. Not worth it on the 24-70.

        • Neopulse

          Most definitely there will be lowered weight I think.

  • Guest

    This is it will likely have the right AF point issue.

  • YoBaby

    Admin can you please speculate when the D800s might be released (not just announced)? Thank you!

    • Jeff Hunter

      An earlier reply mentioned 30 days from the announcement date.

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      usually 30 days after the official announcement

      • Edmund Sackbauer

        Usually….ok….and unusually? Do you remember any cameramodels from Nikon that were released earlier than 30 days after announcement?

        • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

          Yes, it could be as early as one week after the announcement.

  • Derrick Hodges

    Why does anyone care where it is made?

  • gnohz

    Hi Peter, just wondering, will the card slots most likely be the same as D800, ie CF+SD?
    Thanks!

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      yes, I believe so.

  • Whatever

    Seriously? Do we need built in GPS more than wifi?

    • Guest

      Yes, I do need GPS over Wifi.

      • Jeff Hunter

        Interesting. You’re conversing with yourself online.

        • Guest

          Really? :-) Funny you replied :-) Thanks!!

    • Fly Moon

      YES

    • Essien

      What a question???? Isnt a serious one??

      WE NEED BOTH WIFI AND GPS!

      XT1 and OMD EM1 have nice WIFI functions….nikon has to cathc up…..

      Even in Pro camera this should be standard…..if Nikon wont make WIFI in….it will be one major disadvantage in comparison to the new SONY A99 Successor II

      Personally i dont think a new canon 5DMark IV will be the ultimate rival….for me it will be the SONY ….despite slt concept…probably less low light capabilites than the d800s but….

      Rumored features:

      36MPX (of Sony A7r maybe slightly improved)
      Built in GPS
      Built in WIFI
      IBIS (like predessor and Olympus)
      improved video features (maybe 4K internally recording)
      better AF System
      fully articulate/swivel display
      improved low light
      double UHS II slot
      nightshot and twilight function/modes
      real quiet/ silent shutter mode
      different uncompressed raw file options (better innovation as nikons sraw???)
      improved evf (better than the leading omd em1/xt1)

      Similar features should also have the flagship of the FE Mount Mirrorless series the A9…..

      if they get this done esp. with 4k, IBIS and the low light performance is only slightly less than the d800 or (s)….it will be a game changer….the IBIS can maybe even reduce some differneces in low ligth performance… ….sony has also some nice lens which nikon doesnt have….sony zeiss 135 1.8 etc…

      After all the announcements and photokina everybody knows if you already put all your eggs in the right basket….;)

      System, lens etc…..

      • ed

        Yeah you missed one important rumored feature the face detection (better than in the omd em1 and xt1)!!

        • mikeswitz

          You have trouble detecting faces?

      • neversink

        For the one millionth time…. Wifi works terribly on all cameras so far. But you really want wifi… Go out and take some photos, and don’t think about wifi again. Your card reader will do just fine!!!!

  • Neopulse

    I hope this new model will be able to accept UHS-II cards. Would be nice the fast writing speed for these heavy files especially with the new fps speed.

    • Fly Moon

      Agreed

    • Robert

      I agree. We will see if it fits smoothly with the carryover HW design. If so UHS-II may be added.

  • Trond Arild Ydersbond

    After seeing the upgraded features in the D4s, this release seems to me as Nikon’s most interesting midlife upgrade thus far. Thinking about D3s, that means quite a lot. And if the sRAW cookery improves color rendering at high ISO visibly, I’ll gladly forgive Nikon that they didn’t give us a really decent downsampling RAW format. Too many features will be missing or implemented inadequately to make this a top notch competitor (even to the D800E), but I still think about upgrading from D800.

    I wonder if this will be Nikon’s last pro release without on-chip PDAF. Quite a few things point in that direction, I think.

  • nukunukoo

    Oh well, so much for the D9300…

  • jtan163

    Which scenario?
    1) Nikon Exec: Oh, wireless, no one would use that.
    Lets give them GPS every one uses that all the time.

    OR:

    2) Nikon Exec: If we give them GPS, we add another bullet point feature and look like we’re updating and modernising and progressive. After all the 5DII has no GPS OR wireless.
    But we know hardly anyone uses that so we’ll be stuck with that job lot of GPS chips we bought ages ago. Throw in GPS for free – we’ll just raise the price and be able to stop making the GPS dongles, that no one buys anyway.
    And heaps of people use wireless – they’ll pay for that.
    Let’s keep wireless in a dongle.

    Call me a cynic.

    • mikeswitz

      Anything but an actual photographer

  • TeaBreak

    What’s up with you, folks? This is a PHOTOGRAPHIC device. And probably one of (if not: THE) best nowadays, a dream coming true to every photo lover. And you are talking about price, GPS and wi-fi only. That’s ridiculous.

  • Reina

    Labor cost in Thailand is about a third of those in Japan. Let’s assume that manufacturing labor costs in Japan account for roughly 30 % of the total cost. Then the total manufacturing cost in Thailand is about 20 % less than if manufactured in Japan. But the market price stays the same. What does that mean? It means they earn significantly more profits for each camera they sell. In the meantime, every product including flagship models like D4s will be made in Thailand.

  • Bern

    What are the likely “improved video capabilities”?

    • George_Clooney

      4k internal recording !!! First 4k capable camera from nikon….

      So, not a serious question ?

      What else….?

      • iamlucky13

        Previous rumor is that 4K is unlikely, but it’s more or less assumed 1080p60 will be there like on the D4S. Personally, I’d be much more interested in high frame rates than resolutions beyond 1080 lines.

        I hear videographers clamoring for 4K, but I can’t say I understand it. Are there really many customers paying a premium for 4K content in the low end video market? Certainly not for the wedding videographers, since the customers don’t yet have a way to view it and I can’t imagine for most advertising, since the content produced will be irrelevant by the time a meaningful number of viewers have 4k TV’s. And independent film makers? Let me just go out on a limb and presume to tell you that the resolution of your content is NOT what’s keeping you from your big breakthrough in a niche where originality is what counts.

        Even if you do genuinely need 4K, how many of you? Is Nikon going to rush development of the next major iteration of Expeed (which I’d wager is a necessity to make the jump to 4K) to undercut the extremely limited sales of the $10,000 EOS-1DC, or to try to compete with the dedicated purpose EOS-C500 or Red cameras?

        All of which also assumes anybody can tell the difference between 4k and 1080p, which unless you’re sitting less than 6 feet from a 60 inch TV, you can not – the human eye simply does not have the resolution (based on 20:20 vision). That’s why the TV showrooms put 60+ inch 4K TV’s right on the shopping aisle, so the salesman can get your face within inches of the screen to help you see a difference you don’t stand a chance of spotting from your couch.

        • photoro

          I too was a skeptic about 4k on the GH4. However, the quality of videos shot in 4k and converted to 1080p is extraordinary. They look both smoother and sharper than material shot natively at 1080p on any DSLR. It’s not a subtle thing, you immediately notice the difference on ordinary 1080 screens and monitors. I was quite frankly astonished. Even if you have no need to deliver 4k media, the quality of the down conversions makes it more than worthwhile. And if you use Premiere the workflow impact of editing in 4K is almost negligible, for instance no transcoding is required, the media can be used for editing right out of the camera.

        • Jeff Hunter

          I bought a 65″ 4K TV back in February primarily to view D800 files. The files look spectacular. If you use a computer connected to the 4K screen to view the files on it must have a video card with a vertical dimension of 2160. If not, you have to view the files on a flash drive plugged into the side of the 4K screen.

          There is very little 4K content available. What little there is has to be view with a dedicated player. However, newer Bu-ray players will upscale Blu-ray discs to 4K. It’s noticeably higher resolution than 1080p, but not as good as actual 4K.

          From my experience I still notice a significant improvement in resolution sitting 15 feet back from the TV. So you really don’t need to be as close to a 4K screen as some suggest. I recently read a prediction that one-half of HDTVs will be 4K in 10 years.

          If you’re in the market for a new HDTV and want to spend the bucks I highly recommend going 4K. I own the Sony brand.

          • iamlucky13

            Well yes, the files look spectacular, but so does 1080p, and in fact, at typical viewing distances, so does 480i. I’ve done comparison tests on a standard DVD and the same scene from a Bluray disc on a 51″ TV at 9 feet. If I look, I can see the improved texture at 1080 vs 480, but if I’m not consciously looking for it, I don’t notice it.

            While editing, you’re looking very closely at the details and are hyperaware of the differences, but for the end-viewer, it’s just an exercise in grasping for the latest and greatest.

            Yes, in 10 years, I’m sure half of TV’s in use will be 4K, and it will be basically the only type of TV you can buy, because the difference in cost to produce will drop to basically $0 as the market matures. But HDTV market penetration hit 75% almost 2 years ago, and yet, according to the latest figures I can find, customers buy around 700 million DVD’s compared to 125 million Blurays per year. And then there is streaming, most of which is also less than 1080. With even smaller improvements relatively to the resolution of the human eye to offer, do you really think that even 10 years from now, there will be a bigger premium on 4K content than there is on 1080p content? Thus, I think videographers are assuming a desperate need for 4K that in most cases is illusory.

            But I’m jumping ahead of the picture. We’re talking about a camera that will be released in less than 3 weeks, that only a fraction of the buyers will be doing serious video production on, and that will be superseded by another model in 2-4 years.

            I would bet that the new model camera in 2-4 years will have 4K capability, but right now, Nikon is producing a camera for a market where half the end viewers don’t even know what 4K is, and even half that resolution is still a minority of the content market.

            Thus, the number of sales Nikon will lose by leaving 4K out of the D800s can pretty safely be assumed to be very small, so I don’t see any reason for them to invest the money in trying to shoehorn the capability in Expeed 4, nor rushing to develop Expeed 5.

      • Bern

        No, it actually was a serious question. I read elsewhere no 4K, but wondered if the need for the purchaseable anti-aliasing filter for video would no longer be needed, so saving a few hundred pounds.Or maybe some other video improvement? I’m intending to buy the D800s a few months after it is released.

  • Saffron Blaze

    How long after the announcement can we expect to wait for this to be on the shelves?

    • Saffron Blaze

      Disregard. I failed at reading.

    • MOOVMENT Theory™

      I must have failed too. I see the announcement date but when will it be sold?

      • Saffron Blaze

        According to other posts here it can take up to 30 days.

        • MOOVMENT Theory™

          Thanks Saffron!

  • iamlucky13

    “New higher resolution LCD screen”

    Was anybody really worried that the 430 ppi on the current screen wasn’t enough? Are people honestly looking at their LCD’s with magnifying glasses?

    Even Apple doesn’t bother going that high.

    • photoroto

      Videographers often use magnifying hoods on the LCD. For those guys 430 still a little on the low side of desirable.

    • Jun

      This mean the new LCD will fix some “green cast” problem of the D800/E’s LCD, just like the new shutter mechanism to increase 0.5 fps of the D610 over the D600, in fact just to fix the oil leak problem. It’s just Nikon’s tricks.

  • photoroto

    Wifi? I sometimes come back from shoots with a few 100 gigs of media, I’ll take a fast flash card reader to wifi any day!

    AFAIK we won’t see gigabit wifi on cameras any time soon, which is what it will take to make wifi anything but a slug for normal uses.

  • Paul

    One thing I hope Nikon includes (which hasn’t really been brought up) is support for the new SD UHS-II standard. 280MB /sec will be much better for the rumored 5/6FPS at 36mp.

  • mikeswitz

    I don’t think I’ll purchase a Nikon camera until it can shoot video in 3D. They can do it, they are just crippling the D800/e again.

  • tman

    4K is the next big push on the consumer electronics side, so I’m surprised if it’s not in the D800S. If I look at B&H, Canon’s far more invested in the video/photographer demographic. Higher resolution video is something that can give Nikon a lead on competition not following it.

    They still need LCD control of focus point.

    Other than carbon fiber or reducing amount of metal, how do you get the weight significantly down. Full frame cameras are still pretty big compared to the old film cameras; do they have room to trim the electronics and make form factor smaller or what? No way they’re making partial metal body since D400 holdouts have weighted in on the D7000/7100//600/610…

  • Moronerator

    This has been discussed over recent years, and continues in this thread, but in all that chatter (believe it or not) no one has yet provided an actual {reason} why they {need} GPS built into a camera beyond a niche ‘convenience’.. So far it has been nothing more than {wants} for GPS, and that is not a valid reason to criticize a manufacturer for not adding said feature in their latest camera body nor the assertions that every ‘professional’ camera should have it.
    So instead of perpetuating the hollow debate of why every camera should come with GPS and post after post of ‘I need GPS’ how about we hear some actual photographically significant {reasons} why anyone {needs} GPS and/or is limited in their photography without it.::

    [Please do not even waste your digital ribbon on the obligatory 'want to know where' because most cameras (and all in this tier) have the ability to add notes to every image with that information. Also forgo ambiguous responses like 'need it for Geotagging' because that refers to an ability, not a {reason}. Geotagging is little more than a first person perspective of a 'selfie' where 'look where I am/was' becomes more important than the image. Again; it is the {need} in question, so please explain any {reasons} that cannot be done in other ways or doing so presents such an obstacle that the capture cannot be achieved.]
    -?-

    • Carleton Foxx

      I need GPS because I am human and sometimes I forget or am too tired to to keyword and tag my photos. After taking thousands of pictures all over the world, it gets tough to remember where they were shot. The idea of the camera being my backup on this critical task is very reassuring. Also, the GPS can be much more precise about the location of the photo than I can using just words. It also helps potential customers find my photos when they’re looking for a shot of a specific location… THAT’S why I need GPS.

      • neversink

        I have never needed it. I am glad I began my photo career in the 1970s when people were sane and all they cared about were good images. I take a picture of an elephant or a secretary bird in Amboseli National Park in Kenya. How much more info do you need than it was taken in Amboseli? I don’t even want to deal with clients who want to know my exact location.

        • Cream of SomeYoungGuy

          Why don’t you go back to use film camera, bro? You don’t need half the stuff they put into cameras nowadays. It’s about convenience and Nikon having a reason they can charge $3,000 for a camera.

          It’s cool if you don’t need the convenience and took picture back in the day. I respect that. You should respect other people {wants} when it comes to them spending a bunch of their money.

          As for typing in notes for each picture… is that dude serious? F*ck that. You should go back to using pencil and paper for math calculations too… you don’t {need} a calculator, or a digital camera or a computer that you typed your response on to take great pictures… yet you {want} one and have one.

          Why do people expect Intel to make their processors faster every year? We don’t {need} faster processors to do our work. We can chug through thousands of RAW photos very slowly. Why do people expect memory card manufacturers to make their memory cards faster… we don’t {need} that to be faster, it’s just a convenience! Because it’s the future, gramps, and technology is apart of it.

          • Carleton Foxx

            I don’t need a pencil and paper for calculations because I own a slide rule.

          • neversink

            Nowhere in my post did I say I disrespect people for wanting GPS and WiFi in their cameras. What I said was simple – I don’t want to deal with clients who want to know exactly where that elephant carcass was found. If Amboseli National Park in Kenya as a location isn’t good enough for them, they can go elsewhere for their images. Unless there is a valid scientific reason for supplying this info, I won’t, even if I have the exact location.
            I want to deal with clients who care more about the image and the subject matter rather than the exact location. But that is me, and I understand that others have their own needs.
            I am happy if Nikon puts all these options in a camera, but I doubt I’d use them. But I won’t be thrilled if they add all these extras at the expense of the image quality just to satisfy some people. Nor will I be happy if they add these extras and they aren’t of the highest quality. Would you? so I’d rather not have these items than have a compromised camera or options that don’t work well.

          • B

            You are right. I say add everything to a camera that is possible, jack up the price and continue to milk the young trust fund babies

      • neversink

        Oh yes, I am human, And that is why I don’t want to use GPS – I still prefer map and compass!!!!!!

    • http://inthemistphoto.com/ InTheMist

      So, you list the things that we can’t say it’s for then ask what it’s for?

      Sorry, but it is convenience, and it is “knowing where”. I shoot not only street, but also wildlife. “Knowing where” is important.

      • Moronerator

        The context of the question was quantified..
        When people chastise a manufacturer for not including a ‘convenience’ they are making the assertion that the feature/function/ability is needed for full use, that it should be/become a base element of said device on the basis of a nonexistent ‘need’.. When in reality there is no actual need for camera GPS, it is merely something a small percentage of people care about, and many alternative methods of achieving its result.

        I too am a wildlife photographer, for over 35yrs, and it has never been important to know the exact location of anything I have photographed – especially as 99% of the subjects would not even be in the same location some time in the future, and the unique non-repeatable nature of the image is exactly what makes it desirable..
        If you, or people you are providing photos for, have some need to know that you were standing on the sidewalk 22feet from the NW corner of x/y intersection, your photography would be better served in finding out what you/they are really looking for in commissioning your services – because the image is not it…

      • neversink

        I shoot street, wildlife, editorial and I have never, ever had a need for GPS on my camera, and not one of my clients has ever asked for this exact “geotagging” info. Use your phone and take a quick image and you will know where you are. It is not that hard.

    • peterw

      Photo journalists will love it, and hate it both.
      – the good thing being that the credibility of their pictures is enhanced. I would call that {need}.
      – the bad thing being that their sources could be endangered in conflict areas.

      The P-function or the built-in flash didn’t “serve actual photographically significant {reasons} why anyone {needs} it”.
      One could do without pop-up flash easily: D1 – D4. Yet, present D800 cameras have it. 90% of the possibilities of the camera’s are not used by most users, yet it is far more expensive to produce 20 different cameras that all kinds of video- and photographers would use for 90 %.
      Even good ergonomics is not needed to make good pictures. To proof that, look at Canon. Great pictures are made with chunky Canon cameras. (Should I add a smiley?)

      Personally, as non-pro nature photographer – flowers, landscapes, birds – I will love GPS. Especially if it will only fill in the information when it is in good contact with satelites, if it is fast, and if it doesn’t drain the batteries. Correct data will save me time at home. Perhaps I can leave my 200 gr. Garmin at home… (probably not).

  • Umano Teodori

    I really hope that moire suppression software does not remove also the benefits of removing AA filter

    • neversink

      I doubt it will. It is probably separate software and can be applied to jpegs, but RAW images should be just that – RAW and free of any internal software edits….

      • Manuela

        RAW is calculated as well

        • neversink

          Shoot in JPEG and RAW simultaneously and you will find out!!!!!

          • Manuela

            The data fly miraculously from the sensor to the memory card without any processing. The built-in prozessor of the cam is only needed when you shoot JPG. BTW, I shoot RAW only, JPG is a waste of time and card space.

            • neversink

              I don’t now what we are arguing about Manuela. I agree that RAW goes from the sensor to the card without any processing. That is what I first said. Then you said “RAW is calculated as well,” and now you say it isn’t. Perhaps English is not your first language? or second language? Do you know Kiswahili??? JPG is not a waste of time if you know how to program your camera for the right lighting and shooting conditions. All RAW images eventually get processed to JPG. My suggestion to shoot in RAW and JPG was to show you just what obviously already know – that RAW is unprocessed in camera. Thank you —
              You are giving me a headache! Sawa kibesa.

            • Manuela

              English is not my first language, of course, I am German native speaker. Maybe I write sometimes things that I don’t mean because of my lacking knowledge of the English language.

              Didn’t you notice the irony in “…fly miraculously…”?

              If you have programmed your camera with the right settings (white balance etc.) you don’t need JPG because you can generate JPGs on your computer in a heartbeat, even IrfanView can do that for you. If you got the settings wrong JPG is even more a waste of space (on the memory card) and time (which the cameras needs to write the extra data). It took me a while to figure this out.

            • neversink

              Manuela. Your English is much better than my German. However, your English is not perfect, and so of course there was some “failure to communicate” in our discourse.
              Yes, but if you get the settings correct. then you don’t have to deal with RAW processing to JPG. Many professionals just shoot JPEGs because they don’t want to deal with RAW. I shoot RAW, but sometimes I shoot both and often if I take my time before hand, I can discard the RAW, because the JPEG came out the way I wanted. Sometimes, thought put into programming shooting menus before a photo shoot, saves a lot of post processing work.
              This is why you should try shooting both JPEGS and RAW together. But program the menu for the JPEGs to the conditions you will be hooting under. You might be surprised.
              OF course, my laziness often preempts me from shooting JPEGs and then I am stuck with much more post-processing than I wish.

            • Manuela

              Neversink, your Kiswahili is definitley better than mine. German is a very hard language, even for the native speakers.

              In former times I shot JPG only because I did not know better and cardspace was expensive. Now I regret that deeply because I cannot improve these pictures any more with better raw converters and techniques.

              At present I don’t discard the RAWs, on the contrary, I have already deleted many JPGs where I have the RAWs and keep RAW only. Mabey this is a mistake, too.

            • neversink

              Not a mistake. If you don’t like the Jpegs, why keep them….

      • Umano Teodori

        So shooting in raw the new 800s will be prone to moirè like d800e?

        • 24×36

          Since both the D800 (weak AA filter) and D800e (cancelled AA filter) BOTH show moire if taking the SAME (and I emphasize, SAME) picture with both cameras, with the D800 moire just being a bit less “intense,” it’s pretty much a non-issue. Improved software to deal with it will make it pretty much completely moot.

          If you look at the “kimono fabric” sample Nikon provides, you’ll see that they altered the angle of the shot taken with the D800e to intentionally induce the moire and/or false color, which would have also been in the D800 shot if the D800 shot was taken at the same angle.

          http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Learn-And-Explore/Article/gy43mjgu/Moire-and-False-Color.html

          Nikon anticipated most people would buy the “regular” D800 due to moire fears, but those fears turned out to be blown out of proportion with 36MP, and the non-AA version became much more popular than Nikon anticipated. Nikon is therefore wisely moving forward with the non-AA version only.

          • Umano Teodori

            Thank you!

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