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Nikon D4s will have the same memory cards slots (XQD + CF)

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The Japanese website digitalcamera.jp received a confirmation that the upcoming Nikon D4s camera will have the same memory card configuration as the D4: one XQD and one CF slots. Here is a comparison of the memory card door (the D4s is on the left):

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B&H already has a listing for the Nikon D4s on their website. There is no price or specifications, but you can sign up with your email for future updates:

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  • Zinchuk

    Good, and damn. I guess it provides some continuity. If they could have found a way to put in TWO CF and ONE XQD, that would make me quite happy.

    • Felix

      CF cards are dinosaurs. The fact they use pins is their Achilles heel. That makes them highly unreliable. I am glad they still have the XQD slot.

      • broxibear

        Hi Felix,
        CF cards are not dinosaurs, you may well prefer XQD for whatever reason and that’s fair enough, but if CF cards were dinosaurs as you put it then Lexar would not have announced a new model a few days ago.
        Having used them for years I’ve never had any issues with them, the only “Achilles heel” is with users who are careless when taking out or putting in cards.
        There are more things to go wrong when changing lenses than there are when changing CF cards.

        • bratvlad

          I agree. Just insert the card the right way, straight and easy and there should be no problems.

          • MyrddinWilt

            CF is dead dead dead, get over it.

            I would much rather have two SD slots than the CF slot.

            Nobody is going to be making CF cards fast enough to shoot 4K video. The bus isn’t fast enough. Only SDXC and CFast are fast enough.

            Nikon has to support CF because there are idiots who insist on being able to use $50 worth of legacy cards from their old camera because they paid $500 for them back in the day.

            CFast does not look like it is actually an improvement on SDXC. The currently available cards are no faster than the fastest SDXC cards and the capacity is less. But there are people who don’t understand the technology who think that a bigger card must be somehow more professional.

            • WDF??

              Funny thing is, Nikon knows where to find those idiots: right here, it’s a one stop shop for cretins.

            • RBR

              The fastest SDXC cards I am aware of are rated 125 MB/s. Lexar’s recently announced CFast 2.0 cards are claimed to be 500 MB/s read (no quoted write speed in the press at the moment, but I would expect it to be greater than 125 MB/s.

        • Adam

          You know Lexar announced a CFast card, not CF, right? Another no pin system that uses SATA (as opposed to XQD that used PCIe).

          • MyrddinWilt

            CFast is now the logical choice because that is what is going to be the norm for laptops and desktop PCs.

            CFast is essentially just a small format SSD.

            But Nikon does not have to decide which way to jump till the D5 now and that is not till 2016 by which time the winner in the format war will be clear.

            The D5 is unlikely to have a CF slot though. Its already an obsolete technology.

          • orpickaname

            This.

          • RBR

            I so not know whether the CFast 2.0 that Lexar announced uses a SATA or PCIe interface, but the quoted read speed is 500 MB/s (why no write speed makes me wonder), which is faster than any of the current cards that I know of. The fact that no one else has adopted XQD Cards in the two years since Nikon announced the D4 strongly suggest that the format is an evolutionary dead end or, more exactly, a marketing failure like most of Sony’s storage format innovations.

            • Darkness

              Wrong. There are several cameras with XQD now, surely more to come. It’s called innovation, but you wouldn’t understand… I wouldn’t EVER use anything else now really. Just wish the D800 had it.

            • Zinchuk

              The only XQD I have is the 16 GB one that came with the camera. I have been skittish to buy any more, since, I can only use them in my D4, and not the D700, D200, D2h, etc. I am also wary it might be the first, only and last pro camera to use the format. I have never run into a situation where a CF has not been able to keep up in the D4. I use all Sandisk Extreme 32 GB or 64 GB cards, not even the pro cards. I’m not shooting skiing in Sochi, so I haven’t bumped up against the need for what a XQD can do. But until I see Canon and Sony start using them, I will be reluctant to buy any more.

          • broxibear

            Hi Adam,
            You’re right, but a few months ago Sandisk announced a new CF card, my point being CF is not dead as some are suggesting.
            The discussion isn’t or shouldn’t be about which is better, it’s about which one is being supported by the big card makers like Lexar and Sandisk. They’ll make cards if the market for them is actually there…one flagship camera and a very high end broadcasting camera isn’t going to do it.
            If Canon’s new flagship later in the year uses the new CFast and Sandisk bring out CFast cards where does that leave XQD ?…but If canon’s cameras have XQD then it will work and others will follow.
            As Thom said it’s feeling like vhs v betamax…which is a crazy path to go down.

        • Felix

          It is a dinosaur because of the pins, it is a 20 year old technology. It uses 50 pins that can be bent easily which makes it high unreliable. Yes, you can make it faster, but you can not improve the physical interface which has 50 tiny little pins that can bend.

          • umeshrw

            Technically you are right but unless one uses brute force it is not possible to misalign the pins because of the depth and nil play in the slot. Not to mention the card cannot be inserted if reversed.

    • waterengineer

      Of course it is 1+1. That only makes sense. Nikon wasn’t going to retool for the body, just like there were minimal changes between the D3 and D3s. Sure Nikon had to provide a hole on the back panel and a lever for video, but that was compared to what would be needed to change to two 2+0 XQD cards. I bet Nikon knows their mistake. The D5 in another two years will be different.

  • Cloke

    These better be some damn good improvements if they want people to shell out money for this. Really seeming like less and less of an upgrade for D4 users. Only thing I can hope for is improved JPEG processing in terms of AWB and noise. We shall see, but I have a feeling most D4 users will hold out for the 5.

    • n11

      ISO will be 4-stops better ; )

    • steve3911

      My guess is this may just be aimed at people who are in the market for a new pro body, probably not to get current D4 users to upgrade. All depends on what the specs turn out like.

      • AnotherView

        As a D4 owner, I agree completely.

        • TrainedByShaolin

          As a D3S and 1DX owner, I agree completely.

          • wthamidoinghere

            As a D3000 owner, I agree completely.

      • Cloke

        I think you are right.

    • Viv

      As a D4 owner, the D4s wont interest me in the least. Rather wait for the D5

  • http://iAlan.com/ Alan Aurmont

    Will there be D4x?

    • Larry

      next year.

      • I.S.

        that’s what the Detroit Lions keep sayin since the 1950’s

        • D!

          oh shut up

        • http://mateihorvath.com/ mateiphoto

          Hahaha

    • lololalallll

      It’s called the D800 with a grip.

    • KnightPhoto

      Harken back to Canon who said they WILL NOT PRODUCE A 1DS series pro body any more (I.e. only the speed camera, not the resolution camera any more in their pro-body line). Nikon of course said nothing, but with Canon on record it opens a door for Nikon to do the same. Hard to say what Nikon will do, but either way (D4X or D900) Nikon should be getting ready to produce a 54mp behemoth res camera now that they have EXPEED4.

      They probably only break even on the D3X line, so is it worth it, and how would Nikon decide?

  • owner of d4

    absolutely brilliant !!!! Im going to buy 2 :)

    • got it

      This will be mostly re-badging, some software tweaks to make it “different” and priced higher…

      D5 will have the innovations!

  • Theodoros Fotometria

    There are benefits in having 2 same cards and also (more benefits IMO) to have different cards. Those who use D4 do appreciate XQD, the card seems to be more reliable, faster and storage capacity can be huge, from that POV, having 2 XQDs seems an unnecessary overkill, while having the second card as CF, retains compatibility with the past and helps share the card with other cameras in a common project as well as having back up. I have to say, I appreciate XQD much more after I use the D4 more than I did before using it and (IMO) its good to have CF as well.

    • Mike

      Sadly the camera is only as fast as the slowest card.

      • cont

        Do D4 owners troll here… or busy making a salary photographing?

      • SK

        Not true, the camera let you shoot at its speed and keep the images in he buffer zone while the slowest card catches up

        • Guest

          Meaning the buffer is full until the slowest card catches up? Yep, sounds like that wouldn’t make a difference at all.

        • umeshrw

          Just like in my 800 where filled buffer keeps my shutter from clicking because of my slower sd card which I use for backup. (It doesn’t do that when I use only CF which is faster) Agreed that D4 buffer is much bigger but so are the speed requirements of D4 users.

          • MyrddinWilt

            Are you using class 10 cards?

            The fastest SDXC cards made by Sandisk at the moment are 95MB/s and the fastest CF cards are 160MB/s. The SDXC cards can get faster in the future, the CF cards are limited by the bus speed.

            XQDs start at 350MB/s which is quite a jump.

            • RBR

              I have 125 MB/s Sandisk SDXC cards, but that is still slower than the current generation of CF or XQD cards. CFast 2.0 which was just announced by Lexar is claimed to be 500 MB/s read (write speed not quoted).

              At first I wondered if Nikon were delaying announcement of all the D4s specifications because they might be testing the new CFast 2.0 implementation at the Olympics, but it appears that is not the case. Rockwell has rated the D4s a “yawn” which, although a bit unkind, is probably accurate even though he states the sensor will be a 24 MP one. We will see whether that is the case shortly I suppose.

            • umeshrw

              SD are class 10 45 Mbps sandisk whereas CF are much older lexar 133x . Still CF are faster than SD. I don’t know why. I stated this case as an anology to XQD vs CF.

      • Thedoros Fotometria

        Obviously you haven’t use a D4… With a good/fast CF it is as fast as with XQD… If you use one, you will “feel” that if the shutter mechanism/mirror could cope, with XQD “S”, the camera would have been much faster than it is… it’s the shutter that limits it, not the cards. As it is, either if one uses “S”, or “H”, or “N” type of XQD, it makes no difference whatsoever… XQDs are able to cope with 4K Raw video of more than 120p and since capacity can be huge and reliability seems to be much better than any of the other cards, having 2 of them is clearly an overkill. Clearly the addition of CF, which one can borrow, take from a second camera or buy in the “corner” shop is a wise one.

  • Z

    Sorry, must have dozed off … what were the D4s’ improvements over D4?

    • D600

      ask d610 for answer.

      • Rudi

        I wasn’t aware that the D4 had a oil spot issue?

        • WDF??

          Boom, boom…

    • Darkness

      They haven’t been publicised yet….when they do I WILL be awake for sure.

  • Mike

    Too bad, I was ready to jump on the s if they had dumped the xqd. The last thing I need is another card format.

    • Guest

      And why is that? The reason to buy a D4s over a D4 is speed. Dropping XQD altogether will only make it slower

    • Thedoros Fotometria

      I propose MSmicro for your camera…

  • Bruce

    As a D4 owner, there are no benefits to XQD/CF over 2xXQD. I’ve already invested in multiple XQD cards and multiple XQD readers. XQD cards are superior to CF cards, and there is no such thing as overkill when shooting fast and high quantity, or shooting lots of video. Trying to promote purposeful gimping of the memory system makes no sense – the CF card has held me back in previous shoots, causing lag and other problems. The CF cards are also less reliable. They made a bad decision with this setup in the D4, and they are continuing with that bad decision with the D4s.

    From what little information has been revealed, I am underwhelmed by what the D4s will bring. My D4 suffered from the left autofocus problem, and has been into NPS servicing multiple times, and the issue has never been fully resolved. Since Nikon has never admitted to the problem, and has never been able to fix the problem 100%, I can only assume this problem will be present with the D4s as well. Regardless, the D4s is one camera I will not be an early adopter of.

    • Global

      Exactly — why wouldn’t they just do two XQD slots??

      Who is the idiot at Nikon making this decision twice?

      Honestly, I hope this is just a “trial balloon” to get consumer feedback. If they research it and find negative results, I hope they either switch to XQD or just go with CF. Would it matter if D800 had two CF or two SD cards?? Slight differences, yes. Mixed is the dumbest thing ever. If XQD is better, just go for it all the way, Nikon. Sheesh.

      • neversink

        It’s not a big deal to me. I use CF as a backup. And CF is cheaper.

      • Guest

        Maybe XQD slots are a few $ more to Implement than CF?
        Pretty much just bean counters designing Nikon camera’s these days isn’t it, D4s looks more and more to me like another 610 every day.

      • Andrew

        It makes sense from a business standpoint. If the adoption of XQD is short lived, it is always good to know that at least one of your cards will work :)

        • http://kyleclements.com/ Kyle Clements

          the XQD/CF combination sounds like a committee decision rather than a photographer’s decision.

          Why not sell two variants of the D4s: the D4cf and D4xqd. let customers decide which format to pursue.

      • RBR

        If it is a trial balloon to find out what people think, here’s a clue, “Dear Idiot in Charge at Nikon: Go away so someone else can have a chance at saving the company.”

        • Darkness

          Someone like you? Hah!

          • RBR

            Hah yourself! It should be apparent to anyone that Nikon lack a coherent product development vision…that is except for apologists or thin skinned Nikon payroll trolls.

    • neversink

      Ask them to replace the camera body if they can not fix the issue. They will do that as they legally have no choice in many jurisdictions if they can not fix the problem. You have to to be pro-active though to get them to do this. Write letters to CEO and cc to other dep’t heads if you are not satisfied.
      I don’t have left focus issue problems with D4. Don’t know any person who has experienced that. Must be a lemon. Have you asked them for an exchange?

    • Someone

      I visited the Japan Nikon head office 4 times in attempt to resolve the left AF problem on my D4, and yes, it has never been solved although service was attempted in 3 countries. I am not able to reveal my name or identity here as Nikon in my home country eventually sent me a letter to inform me that they would take legal action if I continued to declare on social media that the item is defective, to them it is a matter of being within QC standards. Cheers.

      • NikonLawyer

        That’s nonsense. Either you’re stretching the truth or you are one gullible customer. stand up for yourself nameless buddy.

        • Someone

          I’m sorry If I offended but I am no liar. I just have insufficient financial capabilities to be part of a lawsuit. I am only a small time freelance photographer in my country. Going to Japan 4 times was far more than I could handle and I have given up. I have once e-mailed Nikonrumors & a well-known Nikon ambassador in the US yet my story was never publicized beyond d**e****.com.

      • dragos

        Well…i am enraged to find out that Nikon could even think about pressuring someone to no longer complain. In my opinion it is my right to complain, it does not even matter if i am wrong or right. There are enough people that says overly positive comments, i do not think nikon stops them. Even if the product is in the specs i can still say whatever i want about it. I wish you could let your camera be tested by some other professional photographers, and if they say bad things about the camera, sue them for trying to intimidate you. More and more of our freedom is thrown away…Probably i will calm down and think this with other eyes, but now i feel like i do not want to buy anything nikon. Maybe i will finally switch to to fuji or even sony…i could use some smaller and not so heavy package.

        • neversink

          Calm down.. Don’t belief everything everyone posts on the internet…..

        • someone

          Because the item is in specs, there is no way I can prove that is it not. It is simple as that. This is the reason why I gave up. For all those who think I am a liar, I pray you do not need to go through the times I had and certainly wish someone would cover your finances for time & airfares lost. I did however enjoyed street photography in Tokyo, along the roads of ginza, yurakucho. At shin-yurakucho building, there is a nice place that serves ochazuke (rice with tea) & a nice railway cafe. So if you ever visit Nikon at yurakucho, don’t forget to try the cafes at level 1.

          • neversink

            Okay… I apologize for saying you may not have been truthful. There must be some lawyer out there who can help you.

          • RBR

            This is the old car dealer “they’re all that way” defense…when the company claims that a product which does not perform properly is “within specification” we should all begin to wonder about that company.

      • WDF??

        Liar

      • neversink

        Sorry to hear about your problems. i am sure a letter from a lawyer would solve the issue. A good lawyer, or one who is a friend, would know what to write, and probably wouldn’t charge you anything for the letter. Now, if there was litigation, you will probably pay the lawyer more than the D4 is worth…..
        How in the world can Nikon threaten you like that and you take them seriously unless you haven’t been completely honest with us….

        • Someone

          They did not threaten but did say they would pursue further action if I continued to utilize the social media. As said, to Nikon it is a matter of QC boundaries & factory standards. So long it is within factory standards, it’s alright.

          • neversink

            Then go see a lawyer. it either focuses correctly and accurately; or it doesn’t and they fix it — or replace it. Let us know if you proceed further and your lawyer allows you to talk about it.

            • RBR

              Threatening to sue your customer because he is not satisfied with the quality of the repair service he received is taking things to a new low.

              Nikon has been shipping products that have plainly been defective, not necessarily all of them, but enough that it has become a risk purchasing them. What ever has become of Nikon’s commitment to quality? Nikon rumors is filled with criticism of Nikon’s marketing decisions questioning the wisdom, if not the competency, of senior Nikon management.

              There have been some notable “defections” to Canon because of these problems of late. Yes, Canon have had problems of their own with product performance in the past, but they appear to be getting a grasp on the situation.

              The sort of problem complained about here is an expensive one…it costs a company far more than fixing the problem in lost sales and bad publicity.

              I have begun to think we, Nikon users, would benefit from some lawyers filing class action lawsuits against Nikon for each of these problems…left side focus, oil on sensor or whatever. When it starts costing the company money and the news starts reporting “Nikon sued again over alleged poor quality of cameras” perhaps, just perhaps there will be change at the company.

          • Someone else

            Tell them: “good luck”…they won’t be able to do anything to you stating facts about your camera problems

          • RBR

            Go see a lawyer!

            “Further action” is a threat of litigation. Depending upon heir you are, there may be a “Lemon Law” or even an anti-SLAPP Law. (A number of states passed laws to protect citizens being sued by companies for speaking out at public hearings held by the government. The acronym stands for the industry practice of Strategic Litigation Against Public Participation.) ther may also be particular consumer protection provisions in your location.

            I would probably consider Nikon’s letter or email to be a breech of warranty which is a basis for you to sue them (and in many area recover attorney’s fees.)

            In any event, get the advice of an attorney so that you will know the law before proceeding.

            Good luck!

      • Degsy

        Cant believe people are voting this comment up.Walter Mitty syndrome

    • WDF???

      Underwhelmed? They havent told us anything yet, jeeeez.

    • yrsued

      Bruce,

      You mention that you are invested in “Multiple” XQD Cards, what is Multiple. In my case, I am Invested in over 25 Hoodman 16 GB CF Cards and Two Hoodman 32 GB CF Cards, NOW that IS and investment, It is a pain to go on travel with two different kinds of cards and Readers, A REAL PAIN, so for me, my D4 Bodies are a single Slot Bodies!! I like the performance, but I miss my “REAL” Dual Slots on my D3 and D3s Bodies.

      • neversink

        That’s not an investment, that is an expense.

        • yrsued

          OK, you do have a Point IT IS NOT and Investment, it is an Expense. But Bruce is the one that said that he was INVESTED into the “Multiple” XQD’s, I wanted to find out what is “Multiple” XQDs, I have “Multiples” too, I have three!! The three free ones that came with my bodies!!

          • RBR

            That’s an expensive way to buy cards. ;-)

            Regards

            • yrsued

              I got my Hoodmans for the right price as part of my sponsorship

            • RBR

              I was just kidding, what with all the talk of the expense of the cards. Cheers

      • Neopulse

        Wonder if people who complained about the digital age ever bitched about their investment in film

  • Anonymous

    I’m conflicted: while I see the practicality of keeping the same memory types so shooters coming from the D4 to the D4s don’t have to buy new cards, I’m disappointed to not see the new CFast 2.0 cards implemented. They’re roughly twice the speed of XQD and looks like where the market will eventually be headed. It’s a shame XQD never caught on beyond the D4 though.

    • Guest

      Should of been dual CFast if this really was going to be a significant speed boost. But at $1800 bucks a card Nikon are probably banking anyone who would pony up for a 610 upgrade to the D4 is going to have a real problem paying big money for cards.

    • NBMZ

      Technically, there is one other camera that uses XQD…the
      Sony PXW-Z100 4K video camera… :)

  • broxibear

    Changing the slots would have involved changing the design for the magnesium alloy body, as the slots are part of the body and not seperate parts…it would have been way too expensive.
    I’m not a D4 owner, maybe a D4 owner can offer an answer to why they would change the shape of the card door…was there a design issue with it ?

    • TheInconvenientRuth

      Some early D4’s had a card door that had a bit of play in it, either up/down or left/right. Of the 6 we had in the pool, one had that problem. Not sure if that’s enough reason to redesign the door?

      Changing the card door also requires Nikon to remake the body as you pointed out in the pic you posted – there is no recess for the new door shape on the D4 body.
      I’m not sure about this part, but I think those body parts are actually milled, not stamped, so no actual retooling would be required, just a reprogramming of the CNC machine. After that, they can use the same door and slot assembly as the D3.

      Guess we’ll have to wait for the official announcement to find out.

      • broxibear

        It’s a strange one, I thought if they’d gone to all the trouble of a new door design, then the reason must be different slots…I really don’t get why they bothered.
        Showing it at CES without providing any information is a lso odd, if they’re going to launch in a few weeks at CP+ then why not just wait ?…it’s not as if anyone’s going to care about leaks from photographers at Sochi since the only visible difference is an “s”, a couple of nipples and a door shape, lol.

        • TheInconvenientRuth

          The one on display could simply be a hollow shell, outside only, while they’re testing different models to figure out what the final configuration would be. Personally, I’d love to see dual QXD slots, since I have invested in QXD cards and can still use the CF cards in my D800.
          But on the D4, I’d be much happier carrying just one type and in that case I’d go for the one that clears the buffer faster.
          I think if Nikon would opt for CFast 2.0, it would bring down an avalanche of criticism. They can’t just abandon the QXD after pioneering it, it might discourage people from upgrading.
          But hey, Nikon moves in mysterious way.

          • Sony

            “XQD”

            • TheInconvenientRuth

              I know. Apple autocorrect fail. One of my friends initials are QXD so it keeps changing to that…

            • Sony

              Well that’s some cool initials your friend’s got…

            • TheInconvenientRuth

              You’d blush if I told you mine :D

            • broxibear

              I know…I keep doing that too, lol.

          • broxibear

            “They can’t just abandon the QXD after pioneering it, it might discourage people from upgrading.”
            This is where I see it’s out of Nikon’s hands, Sandisk, Lexar and Canon will decide if QXD succeeds not Nikon.
            If Canon bring out a new or updeated flagship for the 2014 World Cup with QXD then Sandisk and Lexar will see a bigger market…if it’s dual CF then it leaves Nikon on it’s own.
            Nikon does move in mysterious way, add confusion and stupidity and we’re getting there, lol.
            CP+ in a few weeks, let’s see which photographers they bring out to try and convince people about the D4s.

            • RBR

              Aaaaah…no! Sandisk opted out at the beginning. Nikon is the only manufacturer to implement XQD at all and only in the one model. There is absolutely no indication that this will change. No matter how many companies may make or want to make XQD cards, the success or failure of the format is determined by the companies who decide whether to use it or not. Just ask Sony. Virtually every memory storage format they have introduced has been a commercial failure. This is another one.

            • broxibear

              Hi RBR,
              SanDisk, Sony and Nikon announced the XQD format as part of The CompactFlash Association. SanDisk were actually in at the start but then decided to pull out.
              It sounds as if SanDisk, Lexar and Canon are going to go CFast, lets see what Canon do before the World Cup with their new flagship…I suspect it isn’t going to have XQD.

            • RBR

              Hi broxibear,
              Yes, Sandisk was a part of the initial consortium, but opted out of it seemingly right away. Not to get wrapped up in semantics, they said they were not going to produce XQD cards without explanation. As one of the two major “name brand” media vendors, that announcement raised a lot of eyebrows at the time. A lot of us wondered what they saw that they did not like.

              I agree with your analysis of the CFast and suspect Canon may well be first because of their emphasis on video and the 4k video movement.

              Cheers

            • RBR

              Hi broxibear,
              I am not sure what happened to a post I made earlier. Anyway, yes, Sandisk was in the original consortium, but opted out very early on. Just before or as Lexar said they were going to produce XQD cards. Sandisk’s announcement raised quite a few eyebrows at the time as I recall it.

              The CFast 2.0 that Lexar announced at the CES has a claimed speed of 500 MB/s which is a good bit faster than the current (and probably last) generation of XQD cards. It looks as though they are prepared to become the go to standard for 4K video. I would be surprised if the next generation of “flagship” bodies did not change storage media formats, but we will have to wait a while to see.

              Cheers

  • D700guy

    As a D4 user, my hopes are for better ISO and better video. It would be nice to have this body be able to record the video that Canon rigs are now capable of with their ML hack. As far as ISO, the D3s was a giant leap forward in comparison to the D3, and currently, the D4 isnt any better than the D3s is for high ISO. Moreover, if the D4s is not the same leap forward in comparison to the current D4, then I will pass on it.

    • sshoihet

      The D3S had a QE of 57% and the large improvement was possible because the D3 sensor was only 38%. The D4 has a QE of 53%, there is less than a step to go until the sensor registers every photon that his it; it’s not going to get a whole lot better any time soon with current technology.

  • MRomine

    Another iteration of mirror less bodies and they will be right there with the dSLRs.

    • MyrddinWilt

      My V1s outperform my D50 in pretty much every way except for depth of field. And the D50 outperformed my N90s in every way. Even with much smaller lenses they get better low light shots.

      They are not as good for action shots as more recent DSLRs though. And probably never will be as good.

      The big hole in the Nikon 1 line is the lack of any lenses to really take advantage of the mirrorless format: Fast Ultra-wide lenses.

  • Global

    Oh… are you serious? They didn’t FIRE this guy yet..?

    Who the hell is the guy making these decisions? “No video on the Df, its a benefit!” “XQD-CF dual slots are GREAT! So what if our users can’t swap cards easily!” “Crippling our cameras intentionally is good for… er.. business, we think, possibly, maybe. Not really.”

    Fire “No Video”-Man, Nikon! Fire “XQD-Man,” Nikon!

    :-P

    • RBR

      Fire man in charge Nikon.

    • MyrddinWilt

      The no-video thing probably came from reading this forum. There is post after post from idiots who think that adding video to a camera increases the cost. Developing video capability costs money of course but once that is developed it only costs $5 per camera for the patent licenses.

      But people drone on and on about how they want a camera without video.

      The CF format is end of life. It can’t support 4K video and the manufacturers have already stopped development. So like those of us with older cameras limited to SD and 2GB cards, CF card only cameras are doomed in the future.

  • Mike

    Admin, it was either here or on DPR where another physical difference was shown. Both “thumb joysticks” have changed to a flatter top with texture in the D4s vs the “crown” top on the D4. I wonder if this is due in part to reports of buttons etc coming off the body?

  • broxibear

    Hey Peter (admin),
    Is the information about the slots from this Japanese website alone, or are different sources saying the same thing ?

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      It’s just based on that Japanese website.

  • KT

    The more I look into this, the more it looks like a glorified firmware upgrade, wrapped in a shiny new body that looks identical to the old body, with a small S to set it apart. Maybe the Expeed 4 will work wonders but I doubt it.

  • http://mateihorvath.com/ mateiphoto

    One thing is clear: they are consistent in holding on to all the bad decisions they have made. This is probably just one of them. As a D4 owner I think having two kinds of cards was very confusing and counter-intuitive, not to mention the added expense. Oh, well. It’s not like anything would change overnight eh?!

    • neversink

      Yeah, I agree. Two different sized cards are sooooooo confusing. Now, which slot does the bigger card go into. I get so confused each time I have to change cards. I’ve actually had to have my D4 repaired a dozen times because I forced the XQD card in the CF slot. Two slots make me so confused. How frustrating!
      And Nikon had the nerve to say they wouldn’t cover the repairs under the warranty. “You forced the card into the slot,” the repairman coldly stated. “We don’t cover abuse of card slots at Nikon.”
      “But two different card slots in a camera body is sooooooo confusing,” I whined.

      • Andrew

        But the card slots are clearly numbered and the XQD card is significantly smaller than the CF card. XQD goes into 1 and the older CF format card goes into 2. You can also simply remember that the CF card goes into the slot immediately below the “push button.” It is also likely that you may be applying too much force while inserting the card in the wrong orientation. Whatever the situation, the solution to me is quite simple.

        • neversink

          I was being sarcastic….. Sorry for the confusion… I guess my reply was a bit counterintuitive…. ;–}

      • DualXQD

        Hilarious. Or maybe he meant its a confused message coming out of Nikon “QXD is so much faster but we’re so worried if we don’t hold onto the past all our customers won’t buy our camera. What if there’s a global shutdown on making new memory cards and all our customers NEED to use their 10 year old 2GB cards? Then they’ll be thanking us for keeping backward compatibility over speed.”
        Seriously, if you need to stay in the past keep your D4, or buy one before they release the D4s. Mixed card slots beyond one transition model when one card is clearly superior is just Nikon lacking balls. Or being cheep. Or you know, Nikon being Nikon.

        • Darkness

          Funny, just when canon doubled up in the 1Dx after a decade of CF+Sd suddenly it’s an issue, hmmmm. Keep it up canon boys, trashing the king here won’t help the 1Dx at ALL. Hurry up with a dual slot CFast 1Dx mk blah blah and leave us alone. Thank you.

          • DualXQD

            I actually can’t stand Canon but if you think the D4 is superior to the 1Dx you’d be showing extreme prejudice. Nikon were in front, now they are playing catch up. Anyone who can look at the facts objectively would conclude the same thing. Canikon leapfrog each other from one generation to the next. Its Nikon’s turn to leap ahead of Canon with the D4s but from whats been revealed so far they will barely, if at all, catch up to the 1Dx and then it’ll be Canons turn to upgrade next and they’ll move even further ahead.
            Thats bad for Nikon, bad for Nikon shooters, and i personally don’t want that. But obviously there’s a lot of people around here with a significant investment in their gear who are prepared to pretend everything is fine. You’re in good company there at least, Nikon’s seemingly not worried either. But an underwhelming release here isn’t going to do them any favours.

            • RBR

              One thing that tracks with a number of observations is that younger professionals entering the field are purchasing Canon kit over Nikon. I don’t know that there are hard statistics to support this, but there are people noticing the trend. It is probably a combination of things, still photography performance, video performance which is an area of increasingly greater importance to the field in general and to the younger crowd in particular and the professional support services. Canon are plainly friendlier than NPS to a variety of professionals who are not yet “full time” as a result of the changes to NPS eligibility criteria.

              It just looks as though Nikon are not performing well in a number of areas of importance.

            • DualXQD

              Yeah. God, i daren’t even mention video performance. Not everyones cup of tea around here to say the least.
              When young people stop buying your product and you’re essentially a tech and electronics company you should be taking a look at yourself. But most Nikon die hards tend to want to think of digital photography as that thing that replaced their F3 and let them still have a job, details of which being a little hazy. As long as its got the Nikon badge on it it should be the best right?

      • umeshrw

        You really think he meant THAT by CONFUSING? (Sorry for all caps. Can’t underline to emphasize)

        • neversink

          I don’t know if he knows what he meant by “confusing” and “counter-intuitive.” I was just having a little fun.

  • Jon McGuffin

    It seems and feels pretty obviously to me that we’re looking at a simple round of tweaks and refinements to an already very solid camera to keep the pace moving along against the competition. I think from a sports standpoint the 1DX has really been turning some heads and I’m sure it’s very important to Nikon to represent very well in that arena. A small frame rate increase here, a slightly tweaked and advanced AF system here, then throw in some better signal processing to allow for a small advance in low light performance and it enables Nikon to stay on top; or least even.

    Expecting them to completely modify the body and rip out XQD (or CF) is probably beyond the reasonable scope of a quick design change. I see no reason to get upset at Nikon for coming out with this new camera. If they’d call it a D5 you’d all be screaming about it being a cheap upgrade. Nikon sometimes just can’t win. No wonder they completely ignore us here :)

    • DualQXD

      If ripping out a memory card is beyond the scope of a 2 year upgrade cycle, then god help us.

      • Jon McGuffin

        Well, you have to know that in the history of the camera business, cameras only nowadays get these kind of 2-3 year updates. Its not like vehicles or computers where the volume of sales can justify a frequent updates. We’re talking about a $6,000 camera that can’t even take a picture at that price until you buy a lens! Let’s give ‘em a break.

        • DualQXD

          I guess its a lucky company that can count on its consumers to make excuses for its failure to keep pace with technology.
          Sorry, but if you can’t afford to use a clearly faster technology in a product that is designed and marketed for exceptional speed.. Well then you don’t deserve to keep customers, or have a successful product.
          My heart goes out to Nikon for being in the position of needed to spend money getting through a format transition. Life isn’t fair. But unfortunately they can’t force customers to upgrade or buy their product. Not everyone is a student of the art of balancing innovation and profitability. Some people just want a faster camera. Some people just want a better camera.
          I guess the market will decide whether Nikon or its costumers are right or wrong.

          • Theodros Fotometria

            Obviously if one “fails to keep pace with technology”, he wouldn’t use XQD at all… Providing a second one, clearly is a well thought decision they had to make… MO is that it was a good one too… You have to link a product with the past and there where no XQDs in the past. There are plenty of pros that are using both D4 and D3S alongside, don’t you think that one should be able to move his card to another camera and continue working, while grouping his work better? …There are tenths of reasons why one would prefer cards the way they are and there are more why another would prefer one or the other same cards. There are also people who think that they are the centre of universe and PLENTY others that think that their D40 is actually a D4 so they have an opinion on a (hypothetical) situation where they imagine using one.

          • WDF??

            Two years ago everyone was complaining about ONE XQD, now it should be BOTH? w*nke*r Canon marketing trolls, go justify WTF ‘ensuring the probability’ (of AF acquisition for the first frame) means? Really???? on your 1DX firmware update. 2 years of fucks ups five firmware updates and still no 1DX n/mark or whatever in sight? Joke.

          • neversink

            What are you talking about…. It’s not about right or wrong… it’s about taking great photos. The D4 outperforms all the rest, and as far as I am concerned it is my main tool along with the D800.

        • nobody cares

          I don’t own a d4, but I do own a D800, and I really wish they’d put 2 of the same card in the D800 (i.e. CFx2). I end up not using the 2nd slot for anything but overflow.

          If I owned a D4, I’d rather have 2 slots that take the same card, especially when you take a 50% hit using the slower slot (actually more for SD vs CF).

          Now maybe that’s a compromise that had to be made for the D800, but for the D4, I question the logic. It’s a $6000 camera. It shouldn’t have that compromise.

      • owner of d4

        Nikon D4s
        24 MP FX, 10.5 FPS, $6,000 (2014-)
        © 2014 KenRockwell.com. All rights reserved.

        • Rudi

          Oh boy. From kenrockwell.com: “With the new processors in the D4S, the D4S should be able to use the 24MP
          sensor from the D600 for 24 MP resolution.”
          So the new D4s is only a quicker D600 (why not 610?). And he hopes for CF and SD slots….
          So I guess I’ll buy a D610 instead of a D4s?

          • http://kyleclements.com/ Kyle Clements

            Ken’s pushing to jump from 16MP to 24MP?

            What does it matter what the upper resolution is if you’re only going to turn it down to 6MP and shoot basic JPGs?

            • neversink

              the funny thing is that he has a lot of followers… Go figure.

            • nobody cares

              I can recall reading Rockwell a few years ago. I honestly knew nothing about him good or bad, he just came up on Google. Thing is I never use a single source and after a few months I rarely looked at his site. I didn’t realize he was a JPG advocate until years later. I do sometimes think I should shoot both jpg and NEF, but I never do.

        • apollo

          Ken, the worst joke of the Photography! Thank god no-one takes him seriously!

      • Manufacturing process says hi.

  • Zoron

    Skipping D4s and D800, waiting for D5 or D900….and the cool lens that would hv been updated and released by then….meanwhile my D700 is still pretty cool….

  • Arthur Tazo

    Another example of Nikon not listening to their consumers.

    • mikeswitz

      And what exactly have D4 owners been screaming about that Nikon is not listening to? I don’t own a D4 and probably never will but I’ve never heard any major complaints from those that do. What exactly is wrong with tweaking an already good camera and making it instrumentally better. It seems in so many ways Nikon can no longer do anything without people whining.

      • neversink

        I couldn’t agree more. I use both the D4 and D800 and I have no complaints.

      • Arthur Tazo

        1) Did you not read the thread title?? Just take a wild guess what we have been screaming about. .2) Oh so you dont own a D4 but you are happy with it? Thats nice. But I happen to be an OWNER of a D4. Plenty of D4 owners like myself find the XQD/CF split a nuisance. Unnecessarily doubles up the card inventory and the reader. Why do you think a whole bunch of folks like myself wanted to know what the memory card configuration would be on this camera. As an actual owner of a D4, I dont need advice from someone who has never used a D4.

        • Rudi

          In one point I agree, I also would like to have two XQD slots in my D4. But it’s consequent for me to have the same setup in the D4s. As I was about to buy a 2nd D4 I’m now going look for a D4s. So I would prefer to have a identical setup for both D4 and D4s.

          • RBR

            While there is a certain logic to having two faster cards, your concern is a valid one. There is also the matter of the future of XQD cards. I would be surprised if they were to disappear overnight, it should be clear that they have no future.

        • neversink

          It’s inconsequential for me. My D4 shoots fast when I need it. I never even thought that two different cards were an issue. Never even bothered me. Yet so many people seem to hate two different cards. Each to their own.

        • Chris_Gullett

          I agree with the other D4 owners. The XQD/CF mix has never been an issue for me. XQD is fast and a fast CF card doesn’t slow the camera down for me. Also it is just more flexible, its good to have options.

        • mikeswitz

          I didn’t give you any advice, I made an observation and that observation didn’t require me to own or use a D4. Yes, of course I read the thread title and nowhere does it say D4 owners are screaming about XQD/CF split. In fact, had you read the most of the previous posts you would have seen the opinions of current D4 owners is running about 60-40 for the current configuration. My point really was, no matter what Nikon did with D4s there would be a number of people whining about Nikon’s poor decision making and your first post proves me correct. Respectfully, I’m truly happy you are a D4 owner and user, but what you call “a nuisance” makes you denigrate the entire Nikon company is kinda sad.

    • cannedwisdom

      Actually, not all customers are worth listening.

  • DualQXD

    Lol. They’ve just given up haven’t they. Oh well

  • SMF144

    Speaking of the new looking door and finger access to the button on the D4s, my two D4’s, #202XXX and #204XXX have the loose problem. Feels like it’s going to break every time I hold the damn thing. And yes, #202XXX had a focusing problem which made several trips to Nikon ca and once to the store where I purchased it from. Oh that was fun and several ruined photo shoots. #202XXX seems to be working better and I am sure somewhere between trips to Nikon and firmware upgrades the issue fixed itself but one thing I’ve come to learn is just how accurate yet fussy the focusing can be. Maybe it’s too good? Looking forward to the reviews on the D4s but unless it’s a ground breaker, I am staying put with by two D4’s. Oh, and the two “joy sticks” appear to have had a make over. Ahhhh yes, I can see that cosmetic change bringing in more money for Nikon.

    • KnightPhoto

      The twin joystick update was needed as they were known to spontaneously fall off.

      • SMF144

        Actually I am refering to what appears to be a change on the tip.

  • Geomet

    All this fuss over what card.. here a a SOLUTION…NIKON make the Card slots configurable.. so people can add CF or XQD… just build a swap out module… If someone wants 2 XQD slots.. they buy 2 XQD Drive slots… hey NIKON you can make extra money selling ACESSORIES…

    • Jonathan

      But they would charge an extra $750.00 for the module…

      • yrsued

        I would do it at the drop of a hat!! And I have three D4 Bodies!!

        • Rafa R

          me too, $ 750 for the new module, minus the XQD reader and cards, seems cheap to me, I would sell all the XQD crap I got in a sec

  • Ray Justice

    Admin, I am not that knowledgeable about the inner workings of my D4, but it sounds like to me, some of the new improvements rumored for the D4s could have been tweaked in firmware upgrades instead of a new release.

    • broxibear

      Hi Ray,
      it’s interesting you mention firmware, Canon just announced a firmware update for the 1D X which includes a hell of a lot of AF improvements. You could argue Canon got it wrong in the first place and had to fix them with the firmware, or they used firmware to add to an already good AF performance.
      If the D4s has the same sensor and same AF system which have been “tweaked” to make them better, then yeah…you do wonder why it’s not done with a firmware update.
      But again, if the changes are as minimal as that then why bother with all the secrecy over specs, why not just announce the specs at the same time as showing the camera ?…it’s all a bit odd.

      • SMF144

        Actually, Broxibear, I suspect it is a tweak to an already amazing focusing system. Some of the heavy weights, like Kelby and Rouse have switched from their D4 to the 1Dx because of the focusing issues. Trust me, I am was seriously thinking the same due to a lost year of screwing around and trying figure if it was me or the camera. Living in an isolated post didn’t help matters either, but since I’ve invested heavily into Nikon over the past year’n half, it ain’t worth it for now. Though, the temptation is still perculating.

        • broxibear

          Hi SMF144,
          I’ve heard really good things about the 1DX.
          I use D3 for work, I’m not a sports photographer, music and portrait, so out and out speed isn’t as important to me as it would be for a sports or wildlife photographer.
          I didn’t know Andy Rouse had switched to Canon, interesting as he used to hold Nikon workshops.
          Apart from a little hunting in very dark backstage areas I’ve never really had any issues with focus on my D3. Even with the 70mm-200mm VRII which is one of Nikon’s fastest and accurate focussing lenses, I can get some hunting but I can live with it.
          There’s too much I like about Nikon to want to switch, used them for years and I feel comfortable with them.

          • SMF144

            Yeah, Rouse switched to Canon after he experienced enough lock-ups on his D4. He goes into it on his blog; worth reading. Truth betold I had dropped my D3s with the 70-200 VRII on the precambrian shield and after a $1000 repair bill, my camera was not working well. Since I was leaning towards purchasing a D4 I decided to do it sooner than later but I was hesitant because it was brand new. After reading countless reviews and contacting a few pro-users, I decided to take the plunge. Well talk about it hitting the fan as I was struggling with soft images. I spent a lot of time trying to figure things out to the point I almost gave up because my level of frustration was off the charts. What do I do? Purchase another D4 and the difference was night and day. I was heading towards the requirement for two bodies but what a learning experience. I hope not to go through that again but I am so pissed off with Nikon that I don’t promote them to my clients or anyone else for that matter until they get their act together. And yes folks, I am learning that one of my D4’s has an oil issue on the sensor becuase I was using the clean option at start-up and shut down. What drama.

          • Neil D Williams

            I want to buy one of these new D4’s as an upgrade from my D3s, I am hoping that they up the mega pixels from 16 ( I think that’s what it si) to either 24 or 36

            • broxibear

              Hi Neil,
              I don’t have any information about a different sensor. If I had to put money on it I’d say they would keep the sensor as is and tweak/adjust it as they did in the Df. That along with the new Expeed processor.
              CP+ is in a few weeks (February 13 – 16,) so not long to wait, I suspect that’s where the D4 will be launched…although specs might leak out before of course.

            • Neil D Williams

              broxibear, thanks for the info……………I guess 16 MP is plenty anyway…………..plan to buy one either way

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      I think you are correct – I think most of the upgrades will be software based, no hardware changes.

      • neversink

        So why not just put out new firmware if the changes will all be software based. Unless they are changing much of the internal software.

        • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

          Nikon was never big on firmware updates. In those tough times maybe they are thinking that they can cash out by selling the same camera with a new firmware. We shall see. I hope they add some ” real” updates, otherwise many people will be pissed again.

          • neversink

            I agree. Otherwise, why even put out an update. There needs to be some improvements. Oh well, I’m not in a hurry to jettison my D4 for one with little more than an “s” added to the name. I won’t be pissed though as I am quite satisfied with the Nikon D4 as it stands.

  • KnightPhoto

    Sure I see the sense in why the “S” model should have gone dual XQD this go around. I also think dual XQD would have led to increased sales for those for whom the dual formats are a big drawback.

    But I am relieved to see Nikon has NOT DROPPED XQD. So those predicting it’s early death appear to be wrong in Nikon’s estimation, let’s hope so, XQD are great. CF-FAST still has pins, yuck.

    • XQDx2PLS

      Actually CFast 2.0 is a pinless design. But who cares Nikon are already onto a great thing with XQD.
      If they had of dropped it the implication would be that Nikon got it wrong with the D4, pigs will fly before that happens. And actually i think they got it right choosing XQD, just a pity they don’t have enough faith in their convictions to back it 100%

    • yrsued

      My problem is that my Sponsor, Hoodman, does NOT make XQD and they are NOT jumping into it!! They are waiting on CFast now!!

    • neversink

      I need more reason to update than dual XQD….

  • Adnan

    Considering that D4s is a slight mid time upgrade to D4,if we look at D3 vs D3s specs. apart from video the most major upgrade was high ISO improvement which kept the D3s camera on top of all new models in high ISO rating ,the D4 added a new sensor with F8 focusing yet it’s high ISO capability was inferior to D3s ,IMO it will be a help to current D4 owners keeping the same card slots and if the D4s matches or exceeds Df’s high ISO rating with new processing chip or maybe 1fps higher speed that of D4’s it is more than enough considering how Nikon works and thinks :)
    Though I’ll be highly surprised to see an entire new focusing system which seems very unlikely.

  • Keoni

    Folks, think outside the box…how’s about dual DUAL FORMAT slots…two slots that can use either QXD or CF. Hey, Sony does it with their SD/Memory Stick slot on the A99. I’m just sayin’…

  • photographer4

    According to KR it has a 24mp an 10.5 fps

  • NikonDude

    D4s…..does that mean we’ll have to deal with Siri on our camers now?

  • broxibear

    Nikon talks cameras at CESlive…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOsO6NgJUaE

  • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

    Guys, there is no need to post Nikon D4s specs from people that have no clue what they are talking about. I can get a more accurate guess from my 8 years old daughter. I am deleting all related comments.

  • Loco

    Nikon D4s should replace the CF card and replace it with a Cfast Card and leave the XQD for now and also replace it with a CFast card. on next model .the new CFast cards now hit 3333X speed that means the cards will be able to transfer data up to 500MBps. a Nikon D4s or D5 with 2 CFast cards now that will be an improvement over XQD’s and Compact Flash Cards

  • broxibear

    First pre order price I’ve seen anywhere for the D4s, £6000 from Professional Dealer Park Cameras

    • broxibear

      P.S. Their price for the D4 is £4149

      • RBR

        Wow! That is some price increase for not a lot of changes!

        • broxibear

          The D4 was £5290 when it was announced, plus that pre order price may change in a few weeks…unless Parks know the price already ?

          • Neopulse

            Unless they are trying to up their commission by any means necessary. I’m looking to pre-order the D4s myself and haven’t seen a legit response about a release date. I hope late February or March.

  • Nikonuser
  • Anon

    I hope that they upgrade from CF cards to the CF 2 standard. I am not a fan of the XQD card as I have found them to be fragile and prone to breaking. I have had a Sony XQD card break twice in about 500 cycles in and out of my D4. I am also not a fan of Sony replacing broken cards with refurbs. I purchased a new card, I do not want a refurb as a replacement for my broken one. I have yet to break a CF card in over 10 years of use.

  • KnightPhoto

    Hang on a minute here, no firmware update is going to add EXPEED4 your D4 ;-)

    EXPEED4 is providing hardware improvements that are going to deliver (all) the benefits Nikon has listed:

    “As Nikon’s new flagship model, the D4S will offer advances over the Nikon D4 HD-SLR camera, including enhanced image quality enabled with adoption of a new image-processing engine. The new HD-SLR will also feature more advanced autofocusing performance, further solidifying it as the choice for professional sports, nature and event photographers as well as photojournalists.

  • Alwyn

    The D4 doesn’t perform as well as the 1dx when it comes to focus and speed. And just because Nikon claims an advance doesn’t make it so. I’ll believe it when I see it, but my gut tells me it’s just another empty promise

  • Clark Tanaka

    Hey, It could be 2CF + 1XQD :)

  • decisivemoment

    Let’s guess. Either Nikon really lacks the courage of their convictions and isn’t taking an opportunity to turn that CF slot over to the much smaller and therefore easy to integrate XQD one . . . . or there’s a growing faction in Nikon that believes XQD is toast and the future will be CFast in one slot and SD UHS-3 in the other. Or CFast in both if I’m to believe all the posts in forums favoring card standardization over supporting multiple formats.

  • Stan Burman

    This fact, by itself, is a reason not to buy a D4s.

  • Guest

    Fug all yuall

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