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Nikon Df now shipping in the US, currently listed in stock

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Today B&H sent out email notifications that they are starting to ship the Nikon Df camera to existing pre-orders. The first deliveries are expected on Friday, November 29th.

Update: Amazon is now also shipping the Nikon Df with prime delivery for Friday, November 29th.

Update #2: Nikon Df kit now in stock also in B&H:

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Pictureline currently lists the black and silver Nikon Df camera kits in stock:

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Here are the latest Nikon Df news:

See all Nikon Df  pre-order options here.

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  • Aldo

    I want one so bad but can’t get one… so Im just gonna talk trash about it…

    • Spy Black

      Yeah man, I wish I could get one too. Out of budget, for now.

    • TheInconvenientRuth

      I know what you mean… That George Clooney, what a muppet. Floppy hair, weird nose, too many crow’s feet, fairly old body… I guess I’d have to handle him for real for a week or two to give you a more fair opinion of him (^^

      • Global

        Your dedication to “hands-on reviews” is admirable, Ruth. Once you’ve had a chance to try him out in the field, let us know.

        Dinner will cost about $1000 more than any comparable man of equal quality — but he’ll be happy to know that it’ll be impossible for you to send any videos to TMZ (but you can still try for some high-ISO candids).

    • Mansgame

      Why can’t you get one? They’re all in stock.

      • youdontsay

        do they have humor sense in stock too?

  • Maji

    I read a posting on another forum by a NPS member who handled the Df. He felt that it was almost a toy camera but was very complimentary about the bright view finder. He said that he thinks MF will not be difficult with that bright VF. Said that, I know he is a ZF guy, so he is proficient in MF.

    • Ronan

      For us that actually handled one, they don’t feel like a toy camera at all. Maybe compared to bigger camera’s, but that’s hardly a fair comparison.

      • ronin

        But it was an anonymous NPS member, and his assessment is therefore better than ours.

        • dflover

          It doesn’t feel like a toy camera not anymore than my fuji X100. To each his own!

  • Jacob delaRosa

    Did anyone read that last part in the interview section about how Nikon has been researching ways to turn film cameras into digital cameras? Now that would be badass. Ebay an F100, FM2, or dare I say it an S3 ship it off to Nikon for a fee and BAM! SHAKE YOUR MONEY MAKER!!!

    • http://loewald.com/ Tonio Loewald

      It’s a great way to make a small amount of money or lose a lot. First — how many folks have old DSLRs lying around that they want to use? Second, how is Nikon better off selling a sensor over a camera? (And then revitalizing the second hand lens market, which again benefits nikon how?) Third: how will it work in practice? The shutter release can’t talk to the sensor module. I guess it could talk to the winding mechanism so that’s something.

      I’d prefer Nikon to offer a DSLR with better MF support — split prism, interchangeable focusing screens, or a hybrid overlay viewfinder (a la fuji) with focus peaking. Indeed when nikon said something about the Df being hybrid, i hoped this was what they meant.

      What boggles my mind is that a D400 comprising the D7100 with deeper buffers would be free money for nikon but noooooo.

    • ronin

      That was a promise way back over 10 years ago. There was constant buzz in the industry about digital film being popped in. It died.

      It’s still dead. What is Nikon’s motivation for giving new life to dead cameras rather than selling new cameras?

  • Flap Jack

    I don’t want one so bad and I am not going to waste my money overpaying $1,000 for a D600 with a metallic covering. A poser camera for poser photographers.

    • Spy Black

      Sucks when all those voices in your head start arguing…

    • Global

      Its actually $1,700 more than the D600 now. And the D600 is STILL a far superior camera than the Df, incredible, right. The buyers of Dfes would rather buy 1 Df, which has much less functionality than a D600, than to buy 2 D600es and give one to the person they love most in the world. No… not superficial at all, right??? :-D

  • Dicky Nutt

    Next year…Df2 $1,499. Used Df’s $999. This thing will not sell. It is 100% silly and not needed. Nikon will be back on track…Jan and Feb. D4s D4x D400

    • Ronan

      Sold out in most places… lol

      • Global

        He meant its 100% chance that he won’t buy it, haha.

        Even though I have sharply criticized this thing (and I do not romanticize it at all), I’m waiting for more hands-on reviews to figure out its real value. Overwhelmingly, I am disappointed by lack of video & the stupid, thoughtless, or awkward things. Real blunders of design (though I generally like and appreciate the overall design Nikon was going for). A lot of people have already mentioned that its rather fidgety to work with — those not enamoured by its strips of olde-fashioned silver paint anyway.

        But I think they should have started this Df series with a mirror-less D400 (with all the features you would expect in a D400/D300s and even more advanced than a Fujifilm XE-2 even). I think that kind of retro design, and adapters for Nikon lenses, would take Nikon into the future — and not simply be a momento of the past for old people and hipsters.

        Nikon is losing market share to mirrorless. The Df “look” opens a doorway to a possible retro mirrorless line of products. But to waste it on a product that is less capable than even a D600 was a complete squandering of Nikon’s resources & valuable marketshare opportunity.

        Fujifilm, Olympus, and Sony will continue to bite into Nikon for the next year — and that’s bad for us, the Nikonians. Because we need Nikon to sell, so that they can fund new things, such as more Df-esque lenses.

        Its time to go mirrorless Nikon — make the D400 a supercharged Fujifilm-killing mirrorless with even better classic looks and better handling than the Df, and you’ll have a winner.

        • ronin

          What is the trend for the statement that Nikon is losing market share to mirrorless?

          • Ronan

            Sore trolls with zero world knowledge about current business situations.

            I have taught high schoolers with more smarts than most of the trolls here.

        • Andrew

          You are echoing the sentiments of a lot of photographers and the reasons why it is so difficult to cater to their needs.

          We all have so many divergent views of what the ideal camera should be that every new camera Nikon comes out with is in some respect not hitting the mark. Maybe it is this lack of satisfaction that makes us keep buying newer cameras or keeps us coming back looking for that ideal camera. But along the way when we get desperate enough and can no longer wait, our idealism hits the reality of our needs, and we rush to the store and pickup that camera that should have, could have, would have made us perfectly satisfied if only Nikon had not once again ignored our requirements and desires.

          Now imagine we all submit to Nikon all of the requirements for our ideal camera. And Nikon goes through all of the research and development process, and then release the camera three years later. In the meantime our view of the world has changed with ever evolving smart phones introducing all sorts of bells and whistles “features” to their limited sensor based cameras, suddenly we want that too. First it was film, then digital, then video, then full frame digital, then mirrorless, then video again but this time at 1080p @ 60 fps, and now that 4K (4 x 1080p) high definition video is on the horizon, we will want that too, and so on.

          We are losing ourselves in all of this techno-wizardry when the original objective was to frame your shot, make the adjustments, and press the shutter, and out comes the picture. Nikon saw the regression from the photographic art and introduced the retro Nikon Df camera, and we hear complaints that it is for “old people and hipsters.” Some may argue that it is the hipsters that are classifying an “entire demographic of experienced photographers” as old because they lack the wisdom that comes with decades of experience.

      • Rhys

        Yes but how many have they actually sold. ‘Sold Out’ means little for example if Nikon only supplied 100 units.

        Apparently the retailers are unimpressed with demand. Watch demand plummet after the initial interest.

        http://nikonrumors.com/2013/11/07/nikon-df-demand-not-as-strong-as-the-d800.aspx/

      • French Fries

        Which on the negative could also mean “We didn’t make any pre-orders with Nikon as demand was low”

        If its in stock in many other places – then there is not much demand.

        Its a good and nice camera, but way overpriced for what you actually get.

      • Mansgame

        No….they’re all in stock right now at Amazon and BH. Nice try though trolly mc troll.

    • TheInconvenientRuth

      If you really knew, you knew it wouldn’t be called D400….

  • Socaltyger

    Df2.1 will come out in 6 months. Df value will go down by 40%.

  • Syco

    We had the launch night last night – people were able to buy immediately in Australia (Perth) – not overly impressive, very basic camera with awkward aperture ring and yet another battery. Sorry Nikon, hope you do better with the V3

  • TheInconvenientRuth

    That was not an interview with Goto… As a (photo)journalist myself, it smells like a pre-approved q&a. A nice little publicity ‘advertorial’ for the Df. If that guy was really a journalist, why not ask the questions everyone wants to know?!
    Goto says: “It has been long since we noticed the demand for a digital version of Nikon S3…”. But does he even ask if they’re working on one? Noooo. Of course, Nikon won’t reveal that info, but you should at least ask…. -bitchslap-

    • http://www.gordonmoat.com/ Gordon Moat

      Agreed. I was hoping for more questions about a Digital S3. Would be easy enough to make an adapter to fit F mount lenses. That sort of small body is something I would get as a back-up camera, especially with a true rangefinder focus, even if it incorporated autofocus.

      I didn’t like Goto-san’s answer on the manual focusing. I don’t really want to need Live View to get better manual focus. Seems like a cop-out.

      Digital film insert is interesting. Shows the focus upon Nikon heritage within the company. Unless something changes in sensor design, we may not ever see it.

  • rosshj

    I’m curious. Of the people who are buying a Df, or are planning buying one soon, what colour are you getting and why?

    I flipped flopped in this over the last few weeks. I had a silver one on hold, then went to the store today and switched to a black at the last moment. They both were sexy, but the black just all of a sudden felt a little more polished. I like the matte of the black one a bit more. The white inset text on the dials I also liked. Feels very similar to my black FM3A.

    Anyways, let us know what you are choosing an why.

    Picking mine up at 9:30am. Will post some thoughts here and on my blog later.

    Cheers!

    • TheInconvenientRuth

      We both pre-ordered the black one. Initially I wanted the panda version because I’m a bit nostalgic. But after seeing them side by side in SG, to me the metal parts on the Df just don’t look metal enough. Hard to explain. It looks more like painted plastic (even though I know it is not). I also chose the black because it is more discreet, so I can use it as street camera for lower profile assignments.

      • rosshj

        Good point on it being more discreet. I’m traveling to NZ soon. Another + for the black one.

        • J. Dennis Thomas

          I was flip-flopping too. I had both on order just in case. I went and looked at them today and the silver really looked good to me. Different. If I need discrete I have my M9-P.

          • Global

            In all honesty, if I were getting this camera, i’d go for the grey-metal one, because it brings to life the character of the camera, which is what that extra $1000 goes to. The black one is just a modern DSLR with awkwardly placed knobs and worse ergonomics. The point of this camera is to show it off, not be discreet. Unashamed, pure-photography style. The grey looks like cheap 1980s Japanese plastic, because that’s exact what its supposed to convey.

            • J. Dennis Thomas

              It doesn’t look like plastic in real life. It looks like real metal. I think it’s some sort of aluminum alloy over the magnesium frame.

              The ergonomics are actually pretty nice. more intuitive in many ways than the D600/610/D7100 body. Different than the D300/D800 layout, but very good once you spend a few minutes with it.

            • dflover

              Thin magnesium metal, but well assembled and quite solid. The more you handle it, the more it feels right.

          • dflover

            Got mine (silver) yesterday. It gets better with time. The more I use it and look at it, the more I like it.

            Enjoy! It’s like a fine wine.

            • J. Dennis Thomas

              Mine’s already got some scratches on it. Maybe shoulda went black…

      • Aldo

        If I’m paying 3k for this thing I want EVERYONE to know I have one!

        • Global

          Care to share your addresses too and under which rock in your front yard do you keep a spare key? :-D

          • dflover

            By looking at it, most people will think it’s an old analog camera. No need to worry about thieves. This thing is a beauty.

      • ronin

        Nikon is calling the non-black model ‘silver.’

        In the entire history of film cameras, you never had a Nikon F ‘silver.’ They were either black paint over brass or chrome plated. In effect, you chose black or chrome.

        The fact that Nikon now has us accepting that we should choose ‘silver’ is showing the industry has convinced us that it’s just a matter of cosmetic paint. = cheapness.

        Chrome at least had the effect of making the external surface more durable and harder. What does silver colored plastic or paint do? Evince bogus nostalgia for a bogus body coating?

    • katie

      I will be buying the panda version once the price drops a bit. I was initially going to pre-order the black, but most cameras nowadays are purely black so I backed out. I know I’m not going to love the extra attention that the chrome receives, but I’ll live. Both look great though.

    • Jenny

      I would like a black&silver one with the controls of the black type. Silver dials on silver housing looks horrible. Perhaps they can be customised?

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/kgnixer niXerKG

    Really torn.

    I couldn’t give less of a crap about the retro look or manual buttons I just want that sweet D4 sensor without the high price tag!

    However I also feel like the Df2 or maybe even the D4S or a D800S will really hit what the Df could have been and I’ll wish I would have waited.

    Either way I’m stuck waiting until either I find more money or my D3 sells.

    • Global

      D4X could only be… redundant with the D800 & D800E, essentially, which are still selling quite well. So Nikon has no choice except to make a D4S and get back to ISO. Especially since Canon is winning on clean high-ISOs right now (check out the DPReview side by side comparisons, Canon cleans up).

      If Nikon actually made 12,800 ISO actually look good (in the dark, not these poser mid-day photos) on a monitor, then they’d be back in business (I know olde photographers measure by print –but lets face it, far more is happening in monitors than off-line with photos these days). Nikon’s 12,800 ISO is down right awful on DPReview. The Canon looks very nice.

      Nikon can’t go on pure megapixels, even these stupid camera phones are claiming 40MP, etc; but its all useless on people’s monitors. Nikon will do a D4S, providing more distance between it and the D610, as well.

      The D610 is only about a stop different than the D4′s sensor, and only about 6400. This is hardly noticeable at all. They both are worse than Canon’s flagship.

      • J. Dennis Thomas

        Canon’s flagship is also $7000. It BETTER perform the best. It’s the highest priced DSLR out there.

  • Lead Farmer

    The DF had promise , but it turned out to be nothing more than a novelty . Nikon could of offered it as a product that inspired nostalgia and at the same time offered innovation , but instead they chose to go with a camera with a sweet sensor hampered by crippled performance .

    • Global

      I’d reiterate: Its time to go mirrorless Nikon — make a D400 as a supercharged Fujifilm-killing mirrorless with even better classic looks and better handling than the Df, the most advanced (largely considered nearly perfect) EVFs, all of Nikon’s snappiness in AF, and you’ll have a winner.

      I have no idea what they were doing with the Df. They really cheated their Df customers. It should have been a more advanced camera, with far less crippling. Its not a bad camera, its just a shame on Nikon that they made such an obvious crippling vis a vis the D600, less capable even, while charging twice as much.

      • ronin

        Why does Nikon need to kill Fuji? Nikon at least is still profitable, Fuji not even close.

        • symple

          Ronin, What are you talking about? Nikon income is down nearly 50% overall according to their most recent investor report while Fuji income is up 10 % for the same period of data from 2012 to Q2 2013. Furthermore Nikon is a relatively tiny company compared to Fuji in every aspect, not the least of which being total revenue on products sold which is measured in billions for Nikon and TRILLIONS for Fujifilm.

          • ronin

            Symple, what are YOU talking about? Nikon is profitable in selling cameras. Fuji is not. Fuji has stopped selling 35mm cameras before they peaked, all but stopped selling DSLRs before they peaked.

            Fuji is bleeding money. Contrary to your assessment, Fuji didn’t become a large company by intentionally keeping alive money losing product lines. Fuji has shown it is able and willing to cease unproductive camera lines. Fuji does not need money losing camera lines to survive.

            Fuji’s unit volume of interchangeable lens products is- what, 5% of Nikon’s?

            So keep on trying to convince us that Fuji is eating Nikon’s lunch, go ahead.

            • symple

              No need to convince anyone of anything, I was curious what you were talking about when you made the declaration that “Nikon at least is still profitable, Fuji not even close” Most of this conjecture about competition in the imaging business is amusing, as are the food metaphors, but I am fascinated by the assertions you (Ronin) are making about the financial status of publicly traded companies when factual reporting data is readily available to everyone; my guess is you used to work for Olympus until Woodford spoiled your pot-luck accounting party.
              What would be amusing is if the Mitsubishi group allowed Fujifilm to simply buy up Nikon to have a partnership interest like Sony did with Olympus. Nikon is great optical company that also makes cameras, Fujifilm is a holding company that makes just about anything that will be profitable which has at times included cameras and lenses, though now the focus seems on the medical/pharmaceutical industry. Nikon would be a good brand for Fuji to own so that Nikon could continue as a top camera producer with the benefit of Fuji’s resources, though this relationship would likely be focused on medical instruments the same as it would have been if Fujifilm successfully bought Olympus last year. All camera manufacturers are in for rough financial times, no question, we as consumers will reap the benefits so long as we keep our ability to buy new products, especially in the case of large-sensor interchangeable-lens-cameras.

    • ronin

      The Df still has plenty of promise and potential, as a camera model, crippled though it be.

      Where Nikon dropped the ball is in its pricing. The pricing makes it stillborn to any kind of mass appeal. And it’s too late for them to rectify- at this point, slashing the already announced price would then only give this purported premium model the aura of a bargain basement special. Sure, they’d skim off more sales, but there will never be another Df after such an obvious disaster, and Nikon will then point to it and say any sort of innovative ideas are too risky, the market doesn’t really want a digital FE2. Blame the market rather than idiotic marketing.

      Their only hope at this point is NOT to skim the price down, but just to kill it completely, thereby retaining at least some brand / price integrity.

      I have a shipping date for a Df, and I still believe this is way overpriced and will turn out to be a big mistake by Nikon. Even if I turn out to like it and keep it, it wouldn’t change that I spent too much.

      • phil

        the lack of video killed mass appeal even before the price was announced

      • http://www.gradyphoto.com/ Pete Grady

        So, you hate this camera, but you’re going to spend $2,800 on it anyway? Wow, I wish I had that that kind of money to burn.

        • ronin

          Yes, Pete, you are correct and make much sense. I hate this camera but am buying it anyway.

          Seriously, where do these people come from?

  • John White

    Of course they are in stock! Nobody wants this POS camera except for old folks or retro lovers.

  • Read the FAQ

    It sure is big and thick. I’m kind of let down after all that buzz when we only had the teaser videos. I think the issue for me is that Nikon has trained me to use their DSLR form factor with the command dials, etc.. And after owning a D700, D3s, D800E and D600 I finally got used to it and actually like the ergonomics of it all. The ‘conventional’ dials are fine when I use my F3 (although dials aren’t really ‘conventional’ anymore), but when I use a DSLR I’ve come to expect the current layout of command dials and buttons. I have to admit it’s faster to use.

    As much as I’d like to have a D4 sensor in a smaller body than the D4, the Df doesn’t do it for me anymore, even though I had really hoped it would. It’s still as large as the D600/610 (and about as large as the D800.) In the end I guess I’d prefer a D4 sensor in a D800 style body with D800 ergonomics and functions. And with the DK-17M 1.2x eyepiece on the D800E, I have no real problems focusing and using the manual AI/AIS Nikkors. The Df is handsome looking (in black, imho) but I’m going to pass on it. But despite how I feel, I think it will sell very well.

    • ronin

      The Df certainly isn’t about the same size as a D800. Porky though it is, it’s still smaller than the F4 w/small pack, the F3, the F5. In other words, its svelter than the last 4 generations of top of the line Nikon film cameras.

      • Read the FAQ

        It’s not smaller than the F3; it’s just so much fatter. Smaller than the F4 and F5, yes I agree. And it seems about the same size as the F6 (which is the smallest of the F4 and F5), but thicker. I think the issue for me is that the camera is too ‘chunky.’ And I also agree that while it’s not the size of the D800, it kind of seems ‘about’ like it due to its beer belly, imho. Anyway, I’ll wait until next year before I decide whether the Df would work or not for me personally. At the moment the D4 sensor is basically what it’s all about; but we might have an improved D4 sensor by next year….

        btw, for me it has little to do with the price. In fact, I would have been willing to pay more had the camera been a truly high end build (full sealed weatherproofing) all metal, super top quality materials, and high end optical finder with interchangeable screens, etc.. The weight isn’t an issue for me as much as the size, ergonomics, and tactile feel. In other words, a Leicaflex or Contax SLR build feel in a modern DSLR.

  • Bill Pahnelas

    it appears that B&H backtracked on their “in stock” posting… when i clicked the link, it was back to “pre-order”… i’m not interested until i see one in person — hopefully when the nikon rep is in town next weekend, he’ll bring one along.

    • ronin

      Um, perhaps they didn’t backtrack. Perhaps they merely sold their stock.

      I still see black w/50 showing in stock at 6:55a EST.

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  • Cookie

    Love my new Df. Went to the Nikon launch here in Sydney last night not expecting to purchase, but felt the handling, shutter action, low light performance and D4 sensor was too good to pass up. It now compliments my D700.

    • Mansgame

      So now you have two $3000 cameras without video :)

      • Cookie

        Agreed, but I am very fortunate to also own a GoPro Hero2 and Hero3 Black edition to satisfy my video needs. It is more gear to carry, but I kind of subscribe to a best of breed approach. Others have their own view of this – which I respect too. Isn’t it great to have such choice?

  • Nikon F4 Lover

    Why not make it perfect by adding the interchangeable viewfinder we miss so much on digital 24mm?

  • JosengSisiw1

    i just got mine 2 hours ago….here is a shot.

    • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

      very clean, thanks.

    • Marcel Speta

      clean, nice. D4 sensor rulez. Df is nice camera, but i would personally prefer D4 instead. Actually having D3s and satisfied as well…

      • JosengSisiw1

        yes you are right..this is ISO3200 and its so clean & crispy.

        • Mansgame

          Even my dusty D600 could have done a better job. And took a video of it too.

          • JosengSisiw1

            i have this camera also (on sale) but i’m sorry to say that you still need some processing to get this kind of quality from D600….

  • Stephen

    Unquestionably this is the best digital camera ever invented on planet Earth. I just cannot wait any longer to get mine!

  • rosshj

    I just got mine. I’m writing a review here http://www.wanderedoff.com/blog/nikon-df-review and will be updating it over the next few days.

    Stoked!

  • The Door Staff

    How can anyone possibly unbox this fashion ikon while wearing a check shirt?? With the sleeves rolled up? Please!
    Nikon needs a strict dress code. Black Tie.

    • DF lover

      Jealous or maybe envious!

  • george

    In my country ( Romania – Eastern Europe) Nikon Df, costs as much as Canon Mark III !!!
    This is insane

  • bertbopper

    Sorry, but the silver one does not count. It’s no cheap Pentax retro cam. We need the black one. Why call it Black Friday then? Because Black Piet does shopping for Sinterklaas just the weekend before Dec 5th?

  • longtom

    I’m waiting for a trusted review on its dynamic range. If it is better than D600/610 I’ll buy one. Behaviour at high ISO is not that important for me.
    I still have not read any precise point why the D4 sensor is so good, or better than the d600 one, for example.
    It is not a critic, just showing my lack of info. But everyone seem to give for granted that the d4 sensor is superior. Why?

    • rosshj

      I don’t think the dynamic range is up there with the D610 and D800 from what I have read about the D4 sensor, but I could be wrong… but yes the low light should be better. This guy breaks down the D4 sensor very well http://www.slashgear.com/nikons-d4-proves-megapixels-arent-everything-06206820/#comment-409825377

    • rosshj

      Here’s a quote…

      “In theory about 10.000 photons need to hit a pixel cell to achieve 40dB signal/noise ratio. For that, the pixel needs to be slightly over 3µm in size. The simple rule is: larger pixel size=less noise. Special tricks in the sensors and postprocessing done by the image processor cleans the noise a bit improving the S/N ratio from the theoretical level determined by the pixel size, but starting the post-processing with less noise gives better results. Each pixel on D4 sensor is 7.3 µm which gives it an excellent raw S/N ratio, further improved by the trickery of the sensor circuitry and the post-ADC processing by the camera image processor. Canon 7D pixel size is 4.3µm but uses microlenses to pull more light into each pixel.

      D4 uses 14-bit Analog to Digital Converter which gives it 16384 distinct levels of light that can be distinguished by the camera. Still far from film and what human eye can see, but better than 4096 levels from 12 bit ADCs in most cameras. More levels=smaller quantization error.
      Those levels represent tonal values per pixel. More tonal values=better representation of the photographed subject. It appears Canon high end cameras also use 14 bit ADC.
      Number of pixels translates into the size of the smallest detail the sensor can distinguish. That is why landscape and art repro photographers like high MP count and the really serious ones use scanning sensors that produce 144MP images.

      So what is the best camera? To me it is the one you have in your hand to capture that special moment that will never repeat again…”

      • http://www.gordonmoat.com/ Gordon Moat

        Diffraction limit of lenses as pixel sizes get smaller is another issue. If you stop down too far one some cameras, then you reduce the potential of the camera/lens combination, even though file sizes are still large.

        http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/digital-camera-sensor-size.htm

        The sweet spot in pixel well sizes is 5µm to 9µm based upon several White Papers on sensor design. Beyond those extremes are greater noise issues and heat build-up. While there are ways to address those issues, the basic pixel size optimum remains little changed. Reducing the dead area gaps around pixels can help this somewhat, allowing more larger pixels with less dead area; Canon have gone this direction in development.

  • Mansgame

    If the Df was Nikon’s version of the Sony A7 – a smaller mirrorless FX camera that truly was unique, at about $2000, it would be something to get excited about. This is just a large overpriced DSLR that lacks the features that other current DSLRs have. But hey, it looks old so it’s pure.

    • J. Dennis Thomas

      And the Sony A7 s an over-sized point-and-shoot with a limited option of lenses and a stupid EVF. But hey, it looks so ugly so it’s great.

  • linear

    The Nikon Df User’s Manual is up on the Nikon UK/Europe site as a printable PDF file.

    https://nikoneurope-en.custhelp.com/app/answers/list

  • piyo

    I’ve pre-ordered the Df in Japan on November 13.

    Then I got a contact from the nikon SC on November 28(the release date).

    ‘Delivery of Df is going to be a few months after’

  • J. Dennis Thomas

    I picked mine up and as I was leaving the store out of the corner of my eye I caught a glimpse of Ken Rockwell’s “worst lens in Nikon history”. The 43-86mm f/3.5 non-AI. I thought, what could be a better pair with my $3000 camera than a $60 lens?

    • rosshj

      Nice! Which lenses are you pairing it with then?

      • J. Dennis Thomas

        So far I’ve just used the 50 SE, a few shots with the 43-86 and the Sigma 35 f/1.4. I’ve got a dozen lenses, but smaller primes seem to balance the best.

        • rosshj

          How do you find the 50mm SE? In Canada they force you to buy it as a kit, but I already have a 50mm f/1.8D, so I’m thinking of selling the SE… or should I? hmm.

          • J. Dennis Thomas

            The SE is super sharp. I’d use it over the D lens any day. Faster and quieter focusing, nicer look. You can’t use the aperture ring on the D lens anyway. No need to keep an ancient lens when you have the option of owning one of the sharpest lenses out there.

            That’s just my opinion though. I’m sure someone with a D lens will pipe up and tell me I’m wrong.

            • linear

              “You can’t use the aperture ring on the D lens anyway.”

              Huh???? Where did you get that false statement from?

              The aperture ring is WHY I use D lenses. After 50 years of photography, there is built in “muscle memory” that wants to use an aperture ring and NOT a thumb wheel! For this reason alone, G lenses suck, in my opinion! The best of both worlds would be AFS lenses with aperture rings.

            • rosshj

              Maybe they add the aperture rings back to lenses and put VR into the cameras. That way old lenses could have VR as well.

            • J. Dennis Thomas

              Instead of posting some wise-ass unhelpful remark like “Huh???? Where did you get that false statement from?”
              You could have just read the first reply which told me where to find the right setting. Instead you waste your time with a sarcastic reply to a comment that had already been answered.
              I only stuck one of my D lenses on it for a minute and got an f/EE error.

            • linear

              Dennis,

              Sorry for my overly harsh and sarcastic comment regarding your statement about using D lenses (with aperture rings) on the Df. Please note that I was the first to comment (Rosshj posted 2 hours later), and I guess in my rush to point out your honest error, and with my love of aperture rings, I over-reacted! Sorry, again. Thanks, Rosshj, for posting a more constructive reply a little later.

              I was rushed when I made my previous post (had to leave my computer), and so obviously I did not make my point very well (or politely!) Please let me try again.

              Many people who have been photographers for decades (like me) have “muscle memory” when it comes to aperture rings. It’s like driving a standard transmission on a car. Newer drivers probably prefer automatic transmission, but an older driver might want a standard on his new sports car, because it gives him the old feel that he is used to.

              So, the new 50mm F1.8 SE lens that comes in the Df Kit sounds like an excellent sharp lens. However, if Nikon had put an aperture ring on it, it would have been the best of all worlds! There would have been several advantages to this:
              1) It would be even more in keeping with the “retro” feel of the Df.
              2) The “retro” photographers would be able to use the ring to set aperture.
              3) ‘Modern” photographers could lock the ring at minimum aperture and use the thumb wheel.
              4) The lens would be much more versatile, as it could then be used on older film cameras.
              5) It would still have an AF-S motor for AF.

              Nikon have done all of the above with a few of their lenses, for example the 17-35 mm f/2.8 AF-S Zoom. That’s a great lens, has an aperture ring, and therefore is extremely versatile. Too bad the new 50mm SE is not like that.

              So, I will be using my 50mm F1.8 D lens on my new Df. I just have to have that aperture ring!

              Enough said.

              Linear

            • J. Dennis Thomas

              It’s cool. Thanks for the clarification.

              I was heading out the door to shoot a gig when I popped on one of my D lenses and got the f/EE sign. I remembered someone saying (on this forum) that the feature to allow aperture setting wasn’t on the Dƒ. I know it had been on some earlier cameras, but I think the D200 may have been the last one I recall. I didn’t have a chance to check into myself before I posted. The only other lenses I used with aperture rings were MF.

              Anyhoo, since I shoot with Leica a lot more these days I’m very used the aperture ring muscle memory. I actually make mention of it in my “pre-review” here: http://deadsailorproductions.blogspot.com/2013/11/quick-hands-on-nikon-df.html

              Funny thing is that I still have my whole AF-D/AF-S lens setup, 17-35/28-70/80-200 so I have the aperture ring option. On the downside those lenses are behemoths on the DF.

              I tend to pick and aperture and stick with it during the shoot. This is just due to the nature of a lot of what I shoot. So having an aperture ring on my DSLR doesn’t really mean a lot to me. I could take it or leave it. I didn’t buy the Dƒ to try to relive the “film experience” or whatever. I don’t care about the marketing aspect. Yeah, I like the retro styling, but to me it’s still a digital SLR. The specs are mostly what interest me.

              I do like the shutter speed dial as I can set a speed and lock it in, but also have the option of adjusting the speed 1/2 or 2/3 either way. This makes sure that I have some flexibility, but I won’t accidentally get too far off the mark if I move the command dial. One of the big misconceptions is that you are stuck in ONE stop shutter speeds (I think Thom Hogan reported this on his too early review). CSM f/11 allows you to set this up.

              For me, I’ll give up the aperture ring for the AF-S motor. I can’t stand the sound of the screw-drive lenses and I think the motor is probably underpowered as they have been for the last few cameras. Luckily for other folks there are plenty of good (and cheap) AF-D lenses out there that won’t be taxed by the 16MP sensor. I sold of all of my screw-drive lenses a while back and I don’t see myself going back that way.

            • rosshj

              You can use the aperture ring. You just have to turn it on in the settings. It’s under custom settings > controls > customize command dials > aperture setting > aperture ring.

              Anyways, another reason I want hold on to my D lens is because I have an FM3A. I’m just wondering if it’s worth keeping both? Is the G that much better?

            • J. Dennis Thomas

              I sold off my D lens many years ago with my D70. But the 1.8G is crazy sharp.
              pic.twitter.com/8ra2mMSijv
              Click on the link to see a 100% crop.

  • Xposure4x5

    So we got them in stock at my work. They are neat looking, but a bit bigger then I was expecting. I would have liked to see more metal material for that retro look. If you want a large screen and you need the mirror box then the camera is going to be bigger. What is nice is you can use both AI and non-AI glass with it. Plus it’s got the D4 sensor in it and it’s not as expensive as the D4.

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