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Nikon Df camera top LCD display

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A quick update: this is most likely the top LCD display of the Nikon Df that will be located next to the program mode dial on top of the camera.

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  • a7

    Is this to scale?

    • MrSkelter

      Assuming you’re not kidding, it’s not at pixel scale. It’s a vector image (rasterized here) of an LCD. It’ll be tiny.

      I wonder where the source is from. A PDF manual? A photomask?

      • a7

        joking, thanks. ;)

        • MrSkelter

          ;) Who down voted you? Weird…

      • Erik

        It comes from Nikon’s viral marketing dept

    • FredBear

      Yup, something “fishy” here.
      Maybe it’s a Nixie tube based display?
      (Better add a :-))

  • MrSkelter

    The most exciting thing about this for me is that it suggests that Nikon is offering a modern camera with physical controls and the best of the soft-interfaces we now have. It’s not retro in the sense that they’re taking things away in order to emulate the past.

    As I’ve previously said, if video recording isn’t possible I suspect that’s because it’s impossible to do without the screen on – which maybe how the DF is supposed to be used most of the time, and perhaps because the D4’s video never matched the D800 and Nikon see video as not important for this new body.

    • Carlo

      I think Leica and Fuji did it. Anyway, I’m really curious about the weight. Having a tank in your bag will not be comfortable.

      • Theodoros Fotometria

        765gr… 10% less than D610 at similar size, definitely not a full metal body.

    • Ronan

      110% with you on this! I can’t wait to see and try it! I’m just afraid it’s going to cost a small fortune.

  • Daniel Oh

    I don’t need this camera! I don’t need this camera! I don’t need this camera!

    It is going to be hard to resist, the more details I see the more I like it.

    When i first started to take photography more seriously as a hobby, My dream was to own a F3 or F4. This a perfect fusion of These cameras with a D4 sensor (the only sensor that tempts me over my D700).

    Let’s see for how long can I resist. I hope it is expensive so I give up and I can save some money…

    Daniel

    • MostInterestingManInTheWorld

      Most people don’t need this camera, but still will buy it.

      • FredBear

        This is true.
        But oh the joy!

      • http://www.jeremy-dixon.com.au/ coloretric

        Depending on the cost…

    • Erik

      I don’t need this camera either. Will I buy one? Not unlikely.

      But what annoys me most is that Nikon is moving me into a direction where I could end up having two lines of camera bodies and lenses: DF+manual and D700/D3S/D4+auto focus.

      • Bruce

        Who said Df was manual only!? It’s meant to ahve 39 autofocus points. You’re gonna replicate on cards, as Df is meant ot be SD whereas the others are CF.

        • Erik

          I am not saying the the Df is manual only, but for me it is not good enough as an AF camera. (See my post above).

          Maybe I should just give up the thought of the Df altogether and sell all my manual glass. I will get better paid now after the release of the Df and then buy the D4 (if I can afford it, otherwise the D3S) and the holy trinity (14-24, 24-70, 70-200) instead.

      • MrSkelter

        The DF is full AF. It’s a premium line for a specific type of buyer.

        • Erik

          No, not for me. I do not consider the D600 AF module full AF. I will definitely use another body than this when I need to rely on AF.

          This doesn’t mean that I will not buy and enjoy the Df for slower photography and using manual glass. Or even for slower photography with AF lenses using focus and recompose.

          But for anything action/sports related the Df is not the camera and there is a place for a D700/D3S/D4.

          So all in all, the Df is not merging, but breaking my system into two lines. If it had better AF I could use the Df for both purposes.

          This is me, someone else might think differently.

          • MrSkelter

            I think you’re right.

            This isn’t for those who rely on conventional AF. See my comment upthread for a wild idea which – though very very unlikely – could be the kind of thing we see in future.

            Of course MF doesn’t mean slow. It’s operator dependant. The reason for a new name and a new body is a new way of shooting – that seems very clear.

        • Richard

          Of course it will have AF, but for this camera to succeed in this segment, it needs a well implemented manual focus control mechanism.

          Huge optical finder, split prism finder or focus peaking projections.

          I even expect them to release a few lenses with dampened focus rings and distance scales.

          • Joel

            Heres hoping it’s a focus peaking overlay similar to that used in the alpha EVFs.

            • Erik

              Yes, that’s what the Nikon viral marketing dept is saying

          • MrSkelter

            I agree though I’d say it’s a new segment. That’s why some people even now are screaming ‘I don’t like it’. It’s not for everyone.

            I think the OVF looks huge. I can’t imagine there are no MF aids. The only question is if they’re optical or electronic. I suspect the former. Optical is more expensive to build and justifies the price and build. I think there will be the expected electronic aids too.

            There’s got to be a reason the the new 50mm. It can’t just be a repackaged 1.8G unless they are going to bundle it with every body defacto.

            • http://www.gordonmoat.com/ Gordon Moat

              The one to compare on viewfinder is the F6. If it shares the screen choices with that, then development costs were in the past for those screens. Modern DSLR screens are made mainly for clarity and information, much less so for manual focus capability.

            • MrSkelter

              I hope so. The F6 is a camera I keep meaning to buy and I know the day it’s discontinued I’ll kick myself.

  • Eric Calabros

    one droplet per day leakage

  • Erik

    Looks ok to me.

  • usa

    8888?
    I thought ours go to eleven?

    • BlueBomberTurbo

      At least it’s not over 9000! o.0

    • FredBear

      I was hopping for “666” :-)

  • Henry

    Or you make a retro camera , or you don’t : if yes we do NOT want top dispays, lcd screens and so on….just a rugged metallic high end camera .

    When will they understand ?

    • Sigmann

      Exactly Henry! A metallic high end camera that can take a beating – The Land Rover Defender version of a camera! – But it sadly looks more and more like Nikon isn’t brave enough to make this, still hoping for it though. Only two more nights and its all out!

      • Jon McGuffin

        It appeals more to me with it. Knowing how many frames I have left or how much battery is left are huge beneficial visual keys for me that the top LCD provide. Retro or no retro, ultimately I want and need a useable tool. No sense not to include something so beneficial just to say its more retro. I love it….

        • Anónimo

          Retro doesn’t necessarily mean lack of information.
          When you use a G lens if you don’t have this little screen you have to go to the viewfinder to check the aperture you’re using.
          If you blame not needing to do that because you’ve the information on the top of the camera, considering this as too “futurist”, you may risk to be too much retro…

        • MrSkelter

          You’re right! Retro isn’t something Nikon have said. It’s an incorrect assumption based on the dials. the Df appears to be a modern body with a bunch of direct dedicated controls. It’s exactly what I want. Retro isn’t useful. Better control options are.

      • rhlpetrus

        I think you are both off there. No LCD screen, meaning you don’t need the histogram, nor a review of focus, ok, I want those things. One cannot forget the advances in tech. It’s a fusion concept, and it’s looking like it. Good job Nikon, so far. Remaining thing is what the VF is like, hoping for some real MF help there.

        • MrSkelter

          It has a screen. 100% guaranteed. It’s in the video. There’s no use for a 4-way controller without a screen.

          • Mike M

            While I don’t disagree it will probably have a screen, I mean even most Leicas have a screen, but a 4 way controller would still be useful for moving focus points, pretty sure the F5 and F6 have one with only a mono “settings readout” display on the back.

            • MrSkelter

              Good point. See above. I think they shot around the screen in the teasers to emphasize the chimp-free nature of the body.

              Perhaps they’ve also ditched live-view… Without video that fits.

          • delowan

            F100, F5, F6 there’s no back lcd screen… How do you set your autofocus points, without a 4-way controller ? Lol. Anyway, there’s a back lcd, you can see it in the teaser videos…

            • MrSkelter

              I see your point but if they were to drop the screen entirely, but have a 4-way controller – the camera would be truly retro and I don’t think it will be. In that case why have a new AF-S lens when it’s only shown being used in manual mode? I think screen less would mean manual 100% and the kind of camera I would be much less interested in. A step backwards.

        • Ronan

          Taking off the LCD screen on a digital camera, will guarantee a fail product.

      • gummyrabbit

        Land Rover is at the bottom of the reliability ratings among automobile manufacturers

        • hexx

          yet Defenders keep going, they had problems with models from 90s

    • Henry

      My old Leica M6 didn’t have any screens on it and i always new i could run weeks with a battery : the less you have the better, less is more. And no need for many batteries or gadgets.
      But now if one doesn’t see 50 buttons and at least 2 lcd screens with 100 options on it , he feels not safe…… :-))

      • hexx

        … and for years until you can be asked to buy batteries to get metering back

      • Guest

        Oh, for Pete’s sake, how do you expect me to take photographs without a histogram? :)

        • Henry

          Can you imagine Cartier-Bresson or another great one looking first at the histogram before making pictures ?

          They wouldn’t make one good shot any more !
          This is just fine for wedding pics.
          And when you have the time.

          • Ronan

            You are SO wrong it’s not even funny…

            The “great one’s” had an army of tools at their disposal to take photos. You don’t simply P&S and expect a masterpiece to come out. Heck most of them had portable studios to develop their 4×5 prints quickly, on site, simply to review their images.

      • Ronan

        You can’t compare a film camera to a digital camera… It’s like saying the plane should fly fine with no properly because it has wheels and car has wheels!

        It sounds beyond stupid and amateurish, borderline trollish!

        Heck the MAIN point of digital photography is to have a quicker workflow, i.e: review your work instantly.

        I don’t even know why someone would buy a digital camera with no LCD screen…

      • desmo

        My Nikon Ftn has gone years on the same battery;
        so what’s your point

  • MEMEMEMEMME

    are you serious? why are they including this on the df? just because its ‘FUSION’ doesn’t mean you need to fuse EVERYTHING into it….
    I’d rather they left it out..

    but I still want one anyway LOL

    • inteliboy

      Yup. I’m really really disappointed with how this has panned out. Basically this is a camera with everything thrown on it. It’s a beast and not doubt will make certain people happy. Though an LCD top display? Seriously?? Where is our digital FM? Where is our classic manual style DSLR? Why must this trend of huge bulky DSLR’s continue with Canon and Nikon?

      I guess it’s Fuji or Sony for people like me to buy into – or possibly Leica if $ wasn’t a concern.

  • Jon McGuffin

    As usual, NR is so on top of this thing by the time it’s released tomorrow night, there will not likely be any real surprises other than maybe price.

    Thanks NR for bringing us this information and doing such a standup job with it,

    • Guest

      NR does a great job doing what they set out to do, but Nikon and other brands, with their long orchestrated leak campaigns; I just find them boring. The only way they could impress me now is to present a fabulous new body and then in a couple day present another even crazier one. Like Steve Jobs’s ‘Oh, I almost forgot…” schtick. Brilliant.

      • Erik

        Saying that, by the way, the Df has 51 point AF and 8 fps would be crazy enough for me.

        • Guest

          Look, the electronics are sooooo cheap these days it is almost no cost to include them. The argument is which one’s; how nerdy to make it. This also means it is cheap to leave them out. The cost becomes the design, molding and assembly of the body, not what’s in it. People here were screaming for ‘retro’ then almost immediately began backpedaling for their favorite bits of electronica; AF speed, fps, AF/MF, big LCD, small LCD. What if Nikon has designed a way to modularize this such that they can economically offer the DF as it seems to be now, and, a *really* stripped down model-An F2 with a sensor instead of film. No LCD, no chimping, no AF, no buttons. There have been 100 million Nikkors built to date. A huge number of those are Ai, AiS, and mods. That’s a pretty big pool to ignore but you wouldn’t have to if you could sell two vastly different cameras that cost you almost the same to build. I shoot a Leica M3 nowadays but I still own 14 primo prime Nikkors. A digital F2? I’d buy one too, in a heartbeat. Pipe dream. All settled, very soon now. :)

          • Erik

            Make that a digital FM3A and I’m in!

            Unfortunately the Df seems to be neither a digital FM3A nor a top of the line camera for both MF and AF glass. (Still an OK camera for MF glass, though).

            • Guest

              FM3A? Sure, sonny. :)

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              Erik, a digital FM3a and a digital FE2 would have been the same thing.

            • Erik

              Yes, I know as I own both. But he was speaking about the F2 and not the FE2.

            • desmo

              how do you know?

        • Cuculain

          Totally agree on that. They probably could sell the camera twice as much at least. Anyhow they will design this camera within the next three years, And the autofocus will cover full frame. It´s just unavoidable. Just a matter of time. We have to be patient. Just enjoyed my D700 today a lot and will continue to do so.

        • desmo

          it’s a “retro” i.e “manual” camera,
          it’s intended user doesn’t require anything more than spot or center weighted metering and will prefer to manually focus,
          without the interference of “focus confirmation.
          IMHO

      • Theodoros Fotometria

        That would be great… if a line of FX cameras, didn’t exist already and if a possible new approach would have to be in parallel with what already exists.
        In my view, I think that the decision to bring a new camera out as an entry level to all FX and build on that without interfering with what already exists (and is still quite fresh) is a wise one….

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      I agree, if there were any major surprises, we should have known them by now.

      • Theodoros Fotometria

        Have you ever met another situation that price is so well protected? …what this leads you to think?

        • http://www.davidkasman.com/ David Kasman

          Good question.

          • Erik

            It leads me to think that the price is either higher or lower than expected

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              What is expected? …some say niche product, some others more expensive than D610, some other (as I do) entry -level…
              The (second) question (applied to people that know the basics of marketing only) is …”what’s the point of protecting an expensive price to be leaked”? …it sounds stupid by definition!

            • Erik

              If was thinking that if you could hype the product enough then people might decide to buy it even before they know the price – and therefore get more buyers at a high price point than if the price was known from the beginning.

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              The (second) question wasn’t addressed to you, it was to silent you, because it was certain that you’ll post nonsense… (which you did).

            • Erik

              I’m sorry. Everybody cannot agree everytime. I guess that’s what Nikonrumours is all about. Working out different opinions while having a nice time together?

            • desmo

              theo nothing you do is
              “silent”

            • Joel

              What the point is of protecting a price in general?

              A: It allows each and everyone of us the opportunity to make up our own price and feature set that we’ll be able to afford. We can in effect dream up our own perfect camera at the perfect price and then fight it out on forums when others perfect fantasy combinations don’t match up with our own, thus creating a fervour of speculation and chatter around the product.

              There’s a 21 year old with a BA in Marketing somewhere in Nikon laughing himself silly at the moment. Drop a few hints and let the masses do your work for you.

            • Erik

              What if the price has not been decided yet? What if Nikon is among us looking at our reactions to decide a price point?

            • Joel

              Do you honestly believe they’d design a product without knowing the segment that it was going to be aimed at? They know who this targets, they know how much that segment is probably willing to pay and they obviously know much the parts listing adds up to and the profit that they’d like on top. If the price varies at this point, it’ll only be a deduction in the profit margin and theres probably not of leeway there based upon the rumoured spec.

            • Erik

              Yes, I think you’re right. But the logic really only sets a limit downwards. Above that it is all about price vs demand. Let’s say that each unit costs $1500 to produce, then they could either sell more at $2000 or fewer at $5000… the questions is where their optimum lies…

            • Joel

              I think the sweet spot in pricing will be pretty obvious to Nikon provided they’re not implementing any unheard of innovations like a hybrid OVF/EVF.

              The body seems to be a new branch which seems to sit on par or slightly higher up than the D610. My updated personal guess is that it’ll launch at between $2200-$2400 and probably drop to around $2000 within 6 months.

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              Why? …what’s the reasoning behind that thought of yours about the pricing?
              I mean my opinion is that it will be on the 1600 price range and I can support it… but you go first.

            • Joel

              Ok, lets talk about the rumoured features that point to a body on par with the D610’s pricing:
              – 2K metering
              – 1/4000th shutter

              Features which have it above that of the D610:
              – D4 sensor

              Features which have it placed below that of the D610:
              – Single SD slot
              – Exclusion of video(?)

              In what segment will this be competing?
              – Primarily the A7
              – Potentially the D610 buyer’s attention

              How much is the A7 and D610 worth?
              – $1700 (A7)
              – $1900 (D610)

              Why do I think that this product will be slightly higher than those bodies listed above?
              – If rumours are correct, it’ll offer a far better sensor than it’s competition.
              – The larger lens range allows Nikon to come in at a slightly higher price.
              – The marketing to date has this ‘feeling’ like a slightly more premium, exclusive body than the D610.

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              Lets start with D4’s sensor… It’s not more expensive than any other FF… it is better alright, but Nikon doesn’t pay rights for it to anyone and production rise due to the new camera should bring cost below “rented” sensors… So one may argue that sensor won’t lift price with respect to D610…
              OTOH, underspecification with regard to D610 is more than the single SD and video you suggest…
              -There is the pop-up flash
              -There is the slower speed than D610 although files are 2/3rds of less size (which suggests weaker electronics)
              – There is the weaker battery….
              – Also… the body is 10% lighter at similar size… (which suggests a new efficient body design, but not all metal…)
              Then there is the marketing POV… If Nikon would put a new product in-between two other ones at only 800 distance between them, it would be more damage than benefit… Because there would be cannibalisation between them, they would have to invest in a new production line and extra parts stocking without practically adding anything in their market section and there would be a difficult and unstable prediction of demand balance…

            • Joel

              “Lets start with D4’s sensor… It’s not more expensive than any other FF… it is better alright, but Nikon doesn’t pay rights for it to anyone and production rise due to the new camera should bring cost below “rented” sensors”

              The 24MP and 36MP are large batch sensors which are currently incorporated into two brands relatively high volume products – the D610, A99, A7, D800 and A7R. The sheer number of these sensors produced relative to other FF sensors would result in a cost reduction. Now, unless Nikon plan on selling hundreds of thousands of DFs, unlikely given the marketing direction thus far, I’m going to assume that the 16MP will remain a small batch part and one that probably comes at a higher price.

              “the body is 10% lighter at similar size”

              This may be accounted for by the lack of the flash and it’s associated electronics (capacitors etc), plus the smaller battery. I might add that the smaller battery may not have been used to keep costs down, but rather to keep the package smaller.

              “If Nikon would put a new product in-between two other ones at only 800 distance between them, it would be more damage than benefit”

              I dont see it cannibalizing the D800 sales. The D800 is aimed at an entirely different market, those who need the resolution and dynamic range at the lower ISOs in a full sized body. I also don’t see it chipping away at D610 sales as the 610 aims to be more of an every-man’s FF body at a reasonable price. The sensor has an average resolution, average high ISO noise levels, and pretty average AF. It’s got a popup flash and reasonable external controls. It’s just an average DSLR for a good price.

              Whilst the DF is lacking the flash and dual card slots, it still ‘feels’ like it’s directed at a consumer that sits above and off to the side of the D610 buyer. Lets call it a gut instinct.

              I do hope you’re right and that I’m wrong however.

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              If instead they are aiming to enter a new “entry level” which is my opinion, they have no competition in the horizon and they can aim to add even one million of sales (which surely makes D4 sensor cheap enough) to the brand…

              There is another sign that directs to this being an entry level though… (next to the fact that if its priced high there is no room for a “lower” spec model and the “well kept secret” price… and this is the advert… let me explain, by repeating a comment I made yesterday:

              “Another thing that enhances the above (pros that have been involved to advertisement as I have, can confirm this) is that the actor is a typical “mass subject” shooter, that shoots landscapes, fishermen. rivers, castles, sunsets, birds against the sky …etc. Not an artist that would buy a niche camera to shoot (mainly with a “B&W” mind) “artistic street” or “poverty” or “street portraiture” or “shadows”… He is a “colour” typical mass user!

              He is definitely one not “into” photography, but “around” it….
              Adverts are always aiming to the correct “target groups” and they should “speak” to web posters in forums where everybody is trying to be a “marketing expert” of nonsense…
              This is a well designed “entry-level cheapo”, that will be of huge success. ….Very well promoted too!”

            • Joel

              “the actor is a typical “mass subject” shooter, that shoots landscapes, fishermen. rivers, castles, sunsets, birds against the sky …etc”

              Interesting insights into the mind of the marketer there, but I’m not sure that I agree with the slant that they’re pitching this as a camera for just anyone with an interest in photography. The ads inclusive of many interests, sure, but not all that inclusive. Let me explain.

              [ Disclaimer: Granted I dont have a degree in marketing, nor psychology, but hey this is an Internet forum which pretty well grants me the right assume the role of an expert on practically anything. With that out of the way, lets continue. ]

              The actor appears to be a mid 20’s maybe early 30’s chap. He’s well dressed and he’s got the time and the resources to travel to many different places to indulge in his passion of aimlessly walking around and looking at things. He also appears to be single (lack of a wedding ring) and the obvious lack of a partner in the clips would also add to the disposable income that he’s able to direct towards his passions.

              The actor also acts in a very slow and deliberate way when he’s taking his shots. This isnt a guy who takes facey photos of his breakfast, this is a chap who takes photography extremely seriously. He’s willing to travel, he’s willing to spent the time to look, to ponder before he takes each shot. He’s put a lot of energy and probably a far amount of money into his passion. He doesn’t seem at all to be the kind of guy who’d walk into a best buy, seen a $1600 camera and thought “f*** it, it’s probably about time that I bought something decent to shoot the kids whilst they’re still young” and made the snap decision to buy based upon it.

              No, Nikon seem to be pitching the DF at person who isnt a D610 buyer. It’s for the person who appreciate something finer, something special, something that compliments their passion for photography.

              I present to you the new DF at an eyebrow-raisingly high price.

              How’d I do?

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              …Pretty good but the travel and resources (it looks weekend out to me), the time to act (it is so with slow subjects, he acts fast with the birds) and that if this a 1.6K camera it should be evident… it shouldn’t!
              Let’s hope you are wrong, as you said it would make us both happy.
              Still, you haven’t posted anything on my other comment… (that if this is “basic specs” but high price, there is no room for an “under” version)… but never mind.

            • Joel

              Sorry Jake, responding to Theo is a bit of a full time job at the moment.

            • desmo

              well said,
              I hope he is right on price(i’d buy one),
              but think not , so probably won’t
              (don’t need niche market or hype)
              should be an intereseting camera
              just the same

            • desmo

              spot on

            • Anjan

              Sadly… its most likely true… anything “designer” is code for high-markup… and slow walking, tony dressed dudes will fork up the big bucks… to have a DF sitting on their new aluminium alloy, minimalist design, environment friendly, work table.

              On the other hand, I want 51 point of focus and instant rebates : ) shit, i want sexy style and savings!

            • http://www.gordonmoat.com/ Gordon Moat

              There are yield issues with imaging sensor production. Larger chips have more possibility or errors, such as dead cell sites. The biggest recent change is that the cell sites have less depth to each well. Error rates have been reduced over time through efficiency, but not due to making more of one type than another.

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              Good point, I think that the choice of D4’s sensor has also being done for lowering the price reasons as all the rest of choices… Lower resolution sensors do have lower rejection percentage, but they are less demanding for electronics too…

              I guess many are misleaded by the choice of sensor and think Df is expensive… yet all signs/specs lead to an entry level product.

            • http://www.gordonmoat.com/ Gordon Moat

              The only thing “entry” about the DF is that it creates a new category. Don’t be disappointed that it will cost more than a D610.

            • desmo

              Nikon don’t care ,
              this is a niche market “Retro” camera,
              vis a vis all the hype
              (see pricing of other “retro” cameras)

              This isn;t about production cost
              to Nikon this is a lucrative product

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              There is even more… This is too basically specified right?

              Then there is no room for an “under” future version… but not for an “over” one either, since price would “shoot over the roof”.

            • desmo

              your both missing it’
              this is a niche camera “Retro”
              don’t expect a pleasant price.
              if your goal is entry level FX
              this is not your huckleberry
              :(

            • mfletch

              Well said. If all the specs pan out, and this is a robust body with a D4 engine under the hood, and it’s less than $3k, I’m in. Honestly if this were to turn out to be a stripped-down plastic, entry-level FX body, I’m not interested even at $1500-1800. I already have a D700 and D600. If it’s not an upgrade, I’d probably sit tight. And a 16mp D4 sensor, no video, and no popup flash is not a downgrade from a D600 IMO.

            • mikeswitz

              Really!? I don’t think you’ve said that before! I’m shocked!

            • mfletch

              Not a chance that this will be $1600 unless it’s built like a Holga.

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              ERIK!!! you better wake up! …if you have parts and labor for 1.5k product and you decide selling less at 5k you are up for bankruptcy! …Please stop posting nonsense and let people have a conversation here!!

            • Erik

              Let’s be friends. I bet it will go for more than $3K and I will happily buy you a beer if proven wrong. Ok?

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              OK for friends, as for the proposal,
              No… you give me the money (since you are prepared to pay that), I’ll buy you the body and buy mine too… just let me have a conversation without interfering by posting nonsense all the time…

            • Erik

              So much for trying to be polite…

            • syd

              Theo is a cranky greek. Needs a Turkish coffee.

            • mikeswitz

              A repititve, pompous,rude, cranky greek who needs more than Turkish coffee. But he is somewhat entertaining.

            • Ronan

              You can’t be polite with internet troll/kiddies.

              The way he types and tries to (badly) express himself, hints that he is a 16 years old kid with no life-experience and thinks it’s ok to talk to people like this (because the world owes him everything).

            • Erik

              The older you get the more you realise that you owe the world and not the other way around.

            • Ian Dangerzone

              well said, sir.

            • desmo

              Theo
              if you know so much…
              why don’t you go into the business of making and marketing cameras

              just a thought

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              That felt like a cartoon hammer in “Who framed Roger Rabbit”… The price has been decided with the decision for the product… “ERIK”!!!
              …Why don’t you lay back and let some sensible to have a conversation for a change?

            • mikeswitz

              You mean saying the same illogical things over and over ad nauseum?

            • desmo

              good advice
              you should act on it

            • Ronan

              You should do exactly what you are preaching!

            • Jon McGuffin

              An interesting possibility, but not consistent with Japanese business practices or frankly logistical feasibility.

            • intergalactic_turkey

              I sense here a naive hope that this product will be as affordable as Sonys most recent A7/A7r. Some say: hope dies last.

            • Dpablo unfiltered

              1500!

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              If a product can create big anticipation and is expected to be priced within others, but instead its designed to be cheaper, then there is a very good reason to keep it as a last time announcement.
              It comes as a last minute surprise and maximises demand!
              For instance, think of an MFDB that is designed to be announced at 4000 but it can “pass” to the market as capable to reveal the 12000 ones… How you do to promote it?
              Let me post the (obvious) answer… You advertise its capabilities against the 12000 backs, you create anticipation and wonder for people to expect it and last you announce the price… where you have everybody running to get one!

            • Paddy

              Ahhh, Jeesus H. Murphy, on a pogo stick. Will you please just shut your gob, get a life, and go take some pictures, already. This price, that price,…if anyone needs/wants it, they’ll buy it, doh. IT IS JUST ANOTHER CAMERA – aka – a means to an end!
              Needs a Turkish coffee enema, is more like it.

            • Knows it

              Its already on the docks in New Jersey to go to B&H, with price printed on it…

            • Ronan

              In the past 3-4 days you keep saying entry-level but have provided zero proof, while everyone else were able to articulate clearly why they think it’s more expensive than the D610 (or else it would hurt D610 sales) and it’s niche (retro-style, cost money, etc).

              So 4th time asking you, please explain why you think it’s entry-level.

              The lack of feature’s isn’t a valid answer, since a lot of niche products lack features, but it’s fine… since the niche they fill have the features needed.

            • Lathe

              Love your precision!! : )

            • Erik

              Mars Observer (above) is elaborating the same thought but more clearly…
              “That either
              A) nikon is going to pleasently surprise us with an aggressive price or
              B) nikon is hoping the hype and marketing will justify an inflated price”

          • MrSkelter

            Here’s an answer.

            Two days before the release of the D800 the rumors had no pricing info but the other specs were out there – this is exactly where we are now:

            http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/04/more-nikon-d800d800e-specs.aspx/

            The day before the D800 was released the price wasn’t known exactly. The ballpark was. That’s hardly a leak as by then thousands of retailers have been informed and people who normally know nothing secret know.

            http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/06/nikon-d800e-priced-at-3300-unconfirmed.aspx/

        • Jon McGuffin

          I would think that it would mean for a high price, but I’m hopeful for this possibly being an attack on the Sony FF mirrorless and we may still see a $2000 price tag on this.

          • Chris P

            The body appears to be of a similar construction quality to that of the FM/FE series. That implies that it will be partially hand assembled, made in Japan and every one will be inspected by quality control to avoid the problems of the D600/800

            Also assuming that Admin is right, which is almost certain given his past record, and the sensor is that of the D4, then the minimum UK price is going to be £3,000 with the lens, possibly £3,000 body only.

            I believe that Nikon is producing this camera up to a standard and not down to a price and the cost will reflect this. As my father used to say “You cannot buy a Rolls Royce at Ford prices”

        • http://marsweekly.wordpress.com/ Mars Observer

          That either
          A) nikon is going to pleasently surprise us with an aggressive price or
          B) nikon is hoping the hype and marketing will justify an inflated price

          • Theodoros Fotometria

            I have the same opinion as of “A”… “B” can’t apply. This is because anticipation/demand may be able to suggest a price point, but it can’t guaranty the consummation volume… which of course affects production rate and the balance of which is pre-calculated with the decision to make the product…
            In other words, …price,total production volume and production rate, is an equation that can’t change…

            • Guest

              What makes you think that production rate can’t change? Have you ever heard about the idea of adding a second shift? (Or simply moving the production to Thailand/China?) Also, the total production run is still subject to change depending on the popularity.
              You have probably got hung-up on a school book formula, but this is reality.

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              Who ever said that production can’t change? I guess you must have confused “pre-calculated”…

          • mfletch

            When is the last time anyone was “pleasantly suprised” with the price of a new Nikon camera or lens. OK, well, I was suprised that the D610 debuted priced lower than the D600 originally did, but the D610 wasn’t really a new product, rather a formal correction of a year old flawed product. If the DF is actually the super-robust built, high end enthusiast-directed camera that I and others hope it is, there won’t be any “discount” for the lack of video.

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              I think you misunderstood the conversation…

              There wasn’t a case (up to now) that the price was kept (and protected) as a “last minute secret”… Up to now there was always a leakage before announcement day…
              The question is “why this happens”?

            • MisterF

              D800

            • Rob

              Not many complaints about the D7100 price when it came out.

            • Andrew

              The price of the D7100 was not a surprise it was expected to follow in the footsteps of the D7000. The D7000 was the real stunner!

            • Rob

              D7000 is what I meant oops. I think Nikon will keep the DF at a reasonable price. They don’t always make much on the high end gear, their Coolpix cameras is where the profit is for the company. My guess is around the D610 price give or take $200.

            • Andrew

              What, you were not surprised at the price of the D7000? It was the first time a DSLR camera with a magnesium alloy body was priced under $2,000. The D7000 was a stunner and sent ripply waves throughout the industry with its close to $1,000 price point and the press was all over it!

        • Andrew

          But the price is not the only thing we do not know. We don’t know the shutter speed, and we do not know the auto focus system and how many points of focus (51-Point?).

          • bratvlad

            We also do not know the frame rate per second.

            • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

              5.5 fps – read the specs I posted twice a while back

            • bratvlad

              oh, – thanks!

      • Tools

        Admin — please create a survey for “expected price”… for fun!

        • Integral Moments

          i guess it will be around 2 to 2.8 k $. my guesses. How about you ?

          • Ronan

            Yes around 2k to 3k with a lens for the higher price range, sounds just about right.

            Anything less = surprise

            • Tools

              $1999 body only – sweetest spot !!

              Anything else, nagging comparisons will stir up…

              If value priced like D800’s intro price…. very few will get it by christmas : ) remember that?

        • Tools, PhD

          Marketing 101:

          Make it “designer” …. and charge big-bucks

          People who pay big bucks for designer, usually do not worry about specs

          Therefore, DF = low specs + high design = nasty price!

        • mikeswitz

          why?

          • Idiot-radar

            Because don’t have IQ to take a survey

            • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

              Every time I publish a survey, everyone starts complaining that the survey should include options x, y and z. I prefer not post any surveys.

            • Andrew

              I am not like the others so don’t say everybody. My only complaint is that you do not post enough surveys :)

            • Andrew

              One more thought, you can give a survey of an upcoming survey and get a consensus on what x, y, and z questions we would like on the survey.

            • some dude

              Ask how much people are willing to pay for the DF, and when the price comes out it would be interesting to see if Nikon nailed the correct price point.

            • Prediction

              there is always some ass who will whine… you are right!

              But thank you for enabling this fun discussion this week with DF….

              i bet if the price is high, only 15% of this crowd will buy.

              High price, low specs, but retro/sexy design… buyers will be those… who do whole foods, organic eating, swedish minimalist wooden furniture buying, multi-clad stainless steel cookware using, yoga and walking connoisseurs…. : )

              My 2 cents… as a D800 – gobs of function – owner. But, the design is enticing~!!

            • roger

              if the price is high, 15% of this crowd will buy, and the other 85% will gripe about it being overpriced… heck, it may not even have video! haters ‘gonna hate.

            • Joel

              Looks like it’s time to start complaining about the lack of surveys then.;)

            • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

              he-he, I was expecting that :)

        • John

          I’m thinking this will be around $2500 for the body.

      • Cuculain

        Hopefully 51 autofocuspoints will be a surprise. Thoroughly planned by Nikon marketing. :-)

        Then it will become mine! Anyhow it looks great and is a fascinating concept. :-) Thanks a lot Nikon Rumors! Your information about the DF were a gift of good mood during the last weeks :-)

        • codeNsnap

          ++ for the 51 point AF system

          • Pointer

            They should give 51 points, since they are not giving video… should not put a D5200 39 points and cripple this beauty

            • Global

              Well said. With mirrorless cameras being spec’ed out BETTER than the D610, its hard to imagine that Nikon will continue to “pull a Canon” and continue to cripple bodies needlessly. The 51 points AF was part of the D700, and it should stay throughout FX. The diasterous D600 had only 39 pts. Something for Nikon to remember. Thats how its users will remember AF standards.

            • KnightPhoto

              As long as we are going to complain, the 39-point AF module debuted in the D7000. The much later addition of it to the D5200 is actually pretty impressive at that price-point and was a significant uplift from the D5100 11-point.

              My assumption here is the 39-point in the DF is to protect the D4/D800 model differentiation. I don’t love all this protection of higher models, but Nikon seems hell-bent on this in recent couple years. One way to get around this is to buy the higher models ;-)

              I will say that even the 51-point on FX is small compared to the 51-point on DX (D300, D300S, and D7100). I’d like to shoot the D7100 in 1.3-crop, then you get nearly entire-frame covering PDAF!

        • Smithy

          This is a retro camera – how many focus points did your FM2 or FG have? Even my F100 only has 5 and I remember coping really well with that.
          What’s more important is that lovely big veiwfinder – if they do that I’d be majorly but pleasantly surprised!

    • Jobs

      Yeah… minimalist – the new retro

  • http://www.davidkasman.com/ David Kasman

    In video 5, the guy presses the right side of the multi selector, presumably adjusting something on the LCD, a few times before setting the mechanical dials and bringing the camera up to his eye to shoot. Any thoughts anyone?

    • Jon McGuffin

      Exposure compensation? Bracketing?

      • orpickaname

        Or just acting? You know, like an actor typing randomly on a keyboard…

      • http://www.davidkasman.com/ David Kasman

        The Df has a dedicated bracketing button and I would assume some direct way to set exposure compensation as well. I think Nikon may be pointing to something unique about the Df. That is why I asked my question.

        • Michael Sloan

          Brightness adjustment for the EVF.

    • Erik

      I first thought he was choosing focus point, but obviously not as he is focusing manually.

      • http://www.davidkasman.com/ David Kasman

        Wouldn’t it be difficult to select the focus point without the camera at your eye?

        • Erik

          I think Don is right

    • Don

      I think focus point. I just bought a Zeiss 21mm and still adjust and use focus points to get the focus confirmation dot – my eyes aren’t accurate enough :(

      Oh, I adjust focus point without looking all the time – centre the focus point and then move to where you want it…

      • http://www.davidkasman.com/ David Kasman

        That makes sense. Thanks. I usually adjust my focus point in live view on a tripod or use the “center focus and recompose method” when taking hand held photos.

  • Jon McGuffin

    To me, this represents a great compromise and bridge between the old and the new. I think similarly with what GM has done with the Camero and Charger cars. A link to the past and future together. Hats off to Nikon from my perspective.

    • John

      Charger is Mopar. But I agree, very cool.

    • desmo

      the charger is a “Dodge”
      not GM

  • Thyl Engelhardt

    Allright; but what do you guess all that means? F8.8 is clear, battery as well, BKT could mean activated bracketing function?! But everything else? The two overlapping rectangles? The “k”? If rumors so far hold true, there is no need to display shutter speed, ISO, and maybe even white balance. So, what?

    • tap0

      are you translating a comment in Japanese about a new type of ‘aircraft’?

    • Erik

      BKT = bracketing indicator
      The two overlapping rectangles = Multiple exposure indictor
      The “k” = when you have more than 1000 images left on your memory card

      • http://www.davidkasman.com/ David Kasman

        That has been the “overlapping rectangle” meaning in the past.

        • Erik

          Yes, and so I assumed that it would be the same on the Df…

    • John

      The “k” is to represent space for thousands of images on the card. So it will display “1.2 k” if it can fit 1200 pictures on the card.

      • http://marsweekly.wordpress.com/ Mars Observer

        Or K for Kelvin? (ie. white balance)

        • John

          I’m fairly certain it is for the image size. My D800 has a similar setup displaying the remaining image space in brackets with a “k” after it if it is >1000. But in a couple days we’ll know for sure.

          • Erik

            And Kelvin would use a capital K, wouldn’t it?

        • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

          No, it’s “thousands”. That’s consistent with today’s displays and in roughly the same location.

          • Joel

            Remember that the Americans arent familiar with metric terminology. Units like deci, kilo, mega etc can be a bit tricky when you’re used to imperial measurements, so for the yanks, rumour has it that k will be replaced with f – for furlongs.

            • Michael Sloan

              Don’t forget s for scores!

    • Joel

      The four large integers will show the exposure duration when 1/3 stops is selected on the exposure dial. It’ll probably also bring up the ISO when the ISO button is pushed.

    • D90

      You clearly haven’t owned a Nikon camera with a top LCD.

  • Syak

    Why only 3 bars of battery indication? My D7000 has 5 bars. Not sure if that means anything…

    • tap0

      a smaller battery…

    • Thyl Engelhardt

      pure blackout? ;-)

    • Anónimo

      It will all depend on how accurate the indication will be and the charge information you can get from the menu, if you want a more precise estimate.

  • Rafa R

    I´m so buying this one! I hope it sells body only.

    • Rafa R

      I have 7 Ais lenses waiting for this camera.

  • tertius_decimus

    Am I the one who sees the Möbius knot at the left side?

    • orpickaname

      Yes you are the one.

    • http://www.davidkasman.com/ David Kasman

      I see “thirteen”, or more, leaves.

    • mandula joe

      You’re seeing things again…are the meds still working today?

  • Mike

    Why do I get the sense that these leaks are nothing compared to a surprise feature that Nikon doesn’t want leaked but will be the cherry on top that leaves us with gaping mouths? We’ll see tomorrow I suppose.

    • http://www.davidkasman.com/ David Kasman

      You might be right about some significant surprise feature. I have the same feeling.

    • MrSkelter

      Thom Hogan has hinted there’s ‘as yet unknown’ stuff. However he could be referring to this top-LCD.

      I think the ‘hybrid’ nature will refer to more than a mix of controls. There’s something about the lens, and the ease of manual focus they’re suggesting, that hints at something more.

      A feature the new 50mm has which justifies its existence. A feature so significant it demands a new lens marking, the silver ring, which signals ‘optimized of Df’.

      I have imagined a manual lens with some form of force-feedback from the camera. I.e. combine eye-tracking with feedback and you have a lens which pushes back when you are focused on the item you’re eye is focused on.

      Technically possible and it would require a new lens type.

      It would use less power than AF and mean the number of focus points isn’t really relevant. You can focus anywhere you can see with the right lens.

      Something like that could be cool…

      • Erik

        OVF with overlaid focus peeking? And maybe live histogram too?

        • http://www.gordonmoat.com/ Gordon Moat

          Live histogram would be distracting for composition. Maybe it would be nice in a studio, like for product photography, but then why not just use an external meter and nail the exposure.

        • MrSkelter

          I’d like that. Focus peaking is useful as are zebras for clip notification.

          You can shoot really close to the edge if you can rely on your metering and adjust to stay just within the camera’s capability.

          If they’re simply offering a manual focus friendly camera great, but I’m not seeing the need for a lens. The lens is the flag – something new is happening (right?)

          Another clue may be the length – although I’m obviously keen to be right even though it’s a long-shot. Good 50’s are the easiest lenses to produce and 1.8 isn’t fast enough to be difficult. If there is new tech a 50mm would be the cheapest package for it. A 35mm, which could be smaller, would cost more.

          That said Nikon must be benchmarking a new 35mm against Sigma and Zeiss. That 1.4 35mm has always been the worst of the best Nikon lenses. The 24mm runs rings around it.

  • hexx

    i’d like to see how many comments would generate article about a screw from the bottom of this camera

    • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

      I found this! It’s leak from allegedly the engineer who is working on the video mode!

  • Tomsky

    This LCD holds all additional information you might need in “full retro” mode without ever having to turn on the rear LCD: no chimping, no advanced settings – just remove the full memory card and slap in the new one like a roll of Tri-X. Pleasant or not so pleasant surprises postponed until you sit in front of your computer. It’s like getting that envelope with 36 slide frames from the lab all over again.

    Wasn’t this exactly what so many people were asking for? But could actually make for a decent power-save operating mode.

    • T53

      It’s hard to believe that anyone would release a digital camera of any stripe without some means of looking at the shot.

      • Tomsky

        That’s not what I said – I was just referring to the “hybrid” or “fusion” option which is probably available with the DF. Call it “retro” or “power-saving” mode or whatsoever. Of course you can turn on all the digital goodies any time you want. And that’s exactly what I personally would do as long as a mains outlet is within reasonable reach.

        But apparently some folks beg to differ and would even be willing to buy a camera without LCD and advanced digital options. Just read the comments…

        I don’t see an advantage in deliberately crippling yourself like that. Usually I don’t check my exposures frequently but would defintely not give up the option. As far as my interest in the DF goes I’m primarily interested in its capabilities of using non-AF-Nikkors with a proper focusing aid system which none of the current AF-Nikons can do really well.

        • Last Mohican

          Yes, focusing aid system. Keeping fingers crossed that Nikon has something interesting to offer on this front.

        • T53

          Sorry…I’m reading too fast. No offense.

      • desmo

        it seems it will allow you the choice,

        “to see or not to see”

  • Jeff Curtner

    Tiny top LCD display?

    • http://www.jeremy-dixon.com.au/ coloretric

      YES

    • Drazen B

      It ain’t top display, but the bottom part of the main LCD.

  • Joel

    Admin: I’ve just stumbled across a patent for a hybrid OVF/EVF that Nikon took out earlier in the year. Could there be some hope that this may have made its way into the DF?

    “Nikon patent 2013-54232 is for technology that instantly switches between an optical (OVF) and an electronic viewfinder (EVF)”

    http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fegami.blog.so-net.ne.jp%2F2013-03-25

    • http://www.gordonmoat.com/ Gordon Moat

      Imagine you had a choice of mirrorless operation or optical viewfinder in the same camera. There is a great deal of buzz around mirrorless at the moment, but is that buzz word enough to sell cameras? Full frame mirrorless has been the Holy Grail of future camera development, but will a hybrid transition design thrive, or simply become a footnote?

  • Randy Stephens

    NR – As far as you know, is the camera the only thing being released tomorrow night?

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      as far as I know, yes

      • Theodoros Fotometria

        Any luck of finding any info on the price? …or where it will be made? …any hint?

  • Delmar Mineard Jr

    The LCD panel makes since. Lets get on with it and release it so we all know the price. That will lead to a whole lot of complaints.

  • Shanti

    just use fill light on the rear shot of DF & you see the screen..so easy!!

    • Erik

      Picture please!

    • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

      This post is about the TOP LCD, not the back.

      • Matko Pilich

        There is no top LCD.
        An the article states “most likely the top LCD…”

        • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

          I don’t know what you mean then. The back LCD is clear to see and wouldn’t look anything like what Admin posted.

    • Joel

      A display on the back? Pft.. this hipster is out.

    • Scott M.

      Old news

  • könig

    it dont have a top LCD !

    • Erik

      Says who?

      • mikeswitz

        sez konig? which means king so it must be true

  • Armin

    Additional highlights would be:
    – Sensor IS
    – Phase detection AF in LifeView

    But I don’t expect any “innovation” from Nikon.

    • Erik

      Sensor IS (IBIS) with manual glass would be nice!

    • Pablo Ricasso

      “But I don’t expect any “innovation” from Nikon.”

      What an idiot.

  • http://www.davidkasman.com/ David Kasman

    It strikes me that the Df roll out is a bit different than the D800 roll out and official announcement on Feb 6, 2012. I looked back at some older NR posts on the D800 for a rough comparison. I could be off on some of these facts:

    Several books on the D800 were scheduled and reported two months or more before the official D800 announcement. No Df books have been announced to date.

    On January 6, 2012, exactly one month before the official announcement, what proved to be an accurate D800 photo was leaked, possibly by accident, by nikon.de. No still images of the Df have been yet leaked.

    It wasn’t until July 25, 2012 that NR announced the end of the D800 waiting list … over five months! I don’t think the Df wait list will last nearly that long, if at all.

    • Joel

      Pure photography doesn’t require one to read books. You’re either born with the vision to use this camera or you’re not.

      • Erik

        Maybe it is easier to avoid leaks if it is produced in Sendai?

    • J. Dennis Thomas

      The publishing business is slowing down. We used to get pre-approvals on books quickly which gave us an ISBN earlier allowing it to be available for pre-sale earlier.
      There’s more competition and since cameras are changing less and less they aren’t pushing out camera books like they used to because sales are spread out. They are looking closer at the sales numbers and other figures before signing deals.

      I have given the information to my publishers, they’ll have a meeting soon and if they think that sales will warrant a guide they will push forward with it.

  • Ernesto Quintero

    When I shoot street, architecture or cityscapes I bring along my Fuji X100. I shoot both the D700 and the X100, I’m not doing it to look like a poser photographer with OCD, I like the concept of the fixed lens, plus the very lightweight X100 body/lens combination makes it easy. So I’ll be very interested in what Nikon done the Df, final specs and reviews, plus cost of course.

    • callibrator

      You seem to be lost on the wrong forum, buddy. Fujirumors is just around the corner, they’ll accept you and your camera with open arms.

      • Joel

        Theodoros, take a deep breath..

        • robert

          Pinocchio, where have you been all this time…

      • Erik

        Names are changing here. Either Disqus has some bugs or someone is playing with multiple identities and guest accounts.

        • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

          Buggy for days. Names change for with explanation.

    • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

      I have an X100s too.

      Beautiful colors but forget about focusing on moving objects
      and S-L-O-W.

      • J. Dennis Thomas

        For realz…

  • Last Mohican

    The Japanese site digicame-info.com has some new info attributed, as it usually does, to “readers”. They say that the basic content of their information, if correct, indicates that the rumors reported on NR were pretty accurate. I translate all points as given on the digicame site:
    1. The basic construction type is the same as D610
    2. Sensor is taken over from D4
    3. When using non-Ai lenses, lens info can be selected from the manual settings menu
    4. has a two-tiered operating lever
    5. has a synchro terminal
    6. has 5.5 frame per second speed
    7. has the same battery as D5300
    8. when using non-Ai lenses the aperture can be set on the lens aperture ring and on the body by subcommand dial
    9. shutter speed can also be set on the main command dial, and 1/3 step setting is possible.

    • Joel

      What on earth is a “two-tiered operating lever”?

      • Last Mohican

        In Japanese it says “kasaneage-shiki” which is something on top of something else that can be lifted up; I guess in this case this must refer to a two-tiered dial, the upper part of which can be lifted up.

        • Joel

          Could it potentially be translated to “piled up”? Perhaps in relation to a stacked dial?

          • Erik

            Is it lever itself is not two tiered, but that it selects between two different modes of operation?

        • Celtic

          A “pull up” lever, a la the original F (in that case, selects flash type)?

          • Last Mohican

            Very much so. Thanks for the better translation. Pull-up lever it is. Or a stacked dial whose upper part can be pulled up.

        • Vin

          On F4 the dial also locks in flash sync X position. Must unlock before moving shutter speed.

          • Vin

            F4 its a button on top of dial that nees to be pushed.

        • Pete Grady

          Kind of like a two bagger…one for her/him and one for him/her in case hers/his breaks…

      • Ronan

        Think of the F3 ISO dial that also doubles as the exposure compensation.

    • per

      The mysterious “lever” could be tied to the equally mysterious overlapping rectangles on the lcd screen. This is the cameras killer feature. At the low end, it means a switch between low energy-high energy mode”. At the high end, it is a switch between OVF-EVF. At the middle, it is a switch between OVF-OVF with LCD overlay.

      • Joel

        High energy? Do you think it’ll have lasers?

        • per

          Word on the street is that it will have a low energy consumption mode.

        • Last Mohican

          As I reported two days ago from info on a French site, the camera is said to have a reduced power and full power mode; the reduced power mode seems to be for those users who mainly use dials and thus uses less battery power (probably blacking out the screen on the back. I wrote that this might very well be the meaning of “hybrid”.

          • Joel

            Ok, similar to when I disable the image preview feature on pretty much any digital Nikon body to date then.

            • Last Mohican

              There might be more to it than just image review; we’ll know soon. My guess is that there must be more involved than just the screen on the back. Various electronic functions could not be available in that mode.

            • desmo

              interesting …
              basically auto(new school) vs
              manual (old school) Nikon “F” etc,
              which equals power saving,
              (but not the purpose)
              the purpose being simplicity of use.

            • Samuel J.

              It will be more that just disabling the image preview feature.

        • dave

          Hyperfocal distance laser pointer with precise focal point. Aim at subject, laser points to the hf point.

      • FDF

        Those overlapping rectangles are just a multiple exposure indicator as seen on most Nikon cameras.

    • Erik

      If this is true, then I can only say that Nikonrumours has done a pretty good job nailing down the specs!

      • Last Mohican

        That’s what digicame-info says, too. They use a lot of info from NR and seem to always mention even in the header where it originated. NR is of course top for Nikon-related stuff. When they feature info from other sources that they don’t wish to identify, they always use the standard phrase “from readers”, as in this case.

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors
      • Last Mohican

        They claim to have it from another source, and say that it confirms much of what NR reported. So much better if you already knew all this from other sources.

        • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

          I agree and I trust digicaminfo, I just decided not to post it online. I hope they can get a picture – they always do 24 hours before the announcement.

          • Last Mohican

            Good job, admin. Arigato.

  • AKH

    The price will be higher than the D610 due to hopefully more exclusive materials and a better sensor (same as the D4 sensor?), so I guess the price may very well end up very close to a D800.

    • J. Dennis Thomas

      I talked to a Nikon rep yesterday. All I could get out of her on price was “in-between the D610 and D800″. I’m guessing $2500.

      • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

        Make sense, I do no see them selling many if the price over $3000.

        • J. Dennis Thomas

          I’m hoping it’s $2350. I think that’s a fair price.

          • Ian Dangerzone

            Agreed. That’s about the max I’m willing to pay for it before I look at the d800 instead.

            • J. Dennis Thomas

              Having already owned the D800 I’d probably go with this camera over it even if it was as high as $2800.

  • Guest

    so a D700 replacement.

    • Pablo Ricasso

      Nope. Read the specs, this time little more carefully.

    • http://www.davidkasman.com/ David Kasman

      No. It is the D400.

      • genotypewriter

        You for real?

      • Pippo

        It’s room for D400. 7D II allready have rumored specs.

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/kgnixer niXerKG

    I don’t think there is a top LCD. I think this is a bottom LCD ala D3/D4.

    The main LCD then a bottom one. There doesn’t look like that much room on top for it. Especially if you view the teasers.

    • Drazen B

      There is no ‘bottom’ LCD on this camera. The LCD graphic shown is part of the bottom part of the main LCD.

      • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

        No

        • matador

          It will be part of the main LCD at the back. There is no other ‘free space’ on the camera to allow for such an LCD display to be separately integrated.

          Use your logic and het you have seen so far when it comes to DF body design.

          • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

            Look at the image I posted. Do you mean underneath the main LCD (like the D4) because the image I just posted from the video shows completely different text placement from the small LCD posted by Admin. It doesn’t match up at all.

          • EnPassant

            The main body should be about 45mm thick excluding grip, mount and other protruding parts. That leaves a lot of space behind the shutter button for a small LCD.

    • Last Mohican

      The F5 used to have a little info screen of similar size on the back, covered by a small metal plate that could be lifted up.

  • Joel

    Guys, just to quell any anticipation that the ‘square-on-square’ icon might denote a hybrid EVF/OVF display, heres the top mount from the D7000 showing the same symbol. Those who own the body know it as a multiple exposure indicator.

    http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D7000/ZTOPLCD2.GIF

    • Eric Calabros

      nice dream

  • Scott M.

    Admin.,
    Do you have any conformation on fps on this Df? You mentioned earlier 5.5. Was that a guess or confirmed? I want a baby D4 with sensor and close to real D4. This worked well with Nikon with D300/700. They sold very well because it had what was needed. Why go 16mps otherwise?

    • Last Mohican

      Have a look at recent posts; confirmation for that from a different source.

      • Scott M.

        Thank you

    • Joel

      Are you asking for a body will all of the D4’s specs for 1/4 of the price?

      • Scott M.

        would pay $4000 for baby D4.
        Would be worth it.

      • Scott M.

        No.
        Not at 1/4 of the price. I want higher fps with D4 sensor. High frame rate cost the most. I would pay $4000 for baby D4. D700 was half the price of D3. $3000 would be even better. If Df is only 5.5 with 16mps, I see a dud.

        • Joel

          Excuse me for asking, but what is it that you normally shoot Scott?

          • Scott M.

            Whales and dolphins
            It all moves quickly…

            • Joel

              Ah animals. A subject whose shooters seem to need high FPS, high resolution, great high iso noise control and blazing AF and all for a good price. Ouch.

              Well, theres always hope for a D400 right? :)

            • Scott M.

              I may just get a D4 if this is 5.5fps
              I shot a double humpback breach yesterday, looking at the shot sequence it was 13 total with D800/70-200vr2. With 8fps I would have twice the usable images. As it is, I end up with about 6 that are usable. (Big splash photos not really usable)

    • Rich Murray

      I’m having a problem getting my head wrapped around the D4 sensor without the D4’s fps. Seems to me the limiting factor of the 600/610 fps is the 24mp sensor. I understand the shutter/mirror box are also factors but I thought it was the file size etc, that was the real hold up.

      • Scott M.

        100% agree. What is the point?

      • Last Mohican

        Might be the chip; if the basic control system is the same as D610, as digicame says, 5.5 fps would make sense.

        • Rich Murray

          But couldn’t that be addressed in the firmware? My point; why not faster fps if it’s doable.

          • Last Mohican

            No idea; but I had this question already with the D610 whose “control system” the Df reportedly uses. Does “control system” include the shutter? Seems so.

            • Erik

              Have you seen the slow-motion videos of the D4 shutter on Youtube? I am sure there is quite a lot of mechanical stuff involved too and not only firmware.

            • Last Mohican

              Sure. Let’s hope that no flaky paint is involved!

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      Yes, I am confident it will be 5.5 fps.

      • Erik

        Can you have it confirmed that it is not the D600 shutter unit?

        • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

          I am sure Nikon will not do that. I think they learned their lesson.

  • Pete Grady

    top-mount LCD…very retro.

  • Ed

    I’ve seen a few comments of ‘based on D610′ Is it possible that’s an error? google translate gives me based on control system of D610, which would suggest the software is the same, but not any other aspect..

    • Erik

      AF module (39 points) and shutter unit (5.5 fps) from the D610.

      • Sandy Bartlett

        D600 was 5.5, D610 is 6 fps

        • Erik

          Yes you’re absolutely right. Bad news. Could it be the D600 shutter unit?

    • Last Mohican

      I guess this refers to point 1 of my translation in a recent post about info from the digicame site. The Japanese says “kihon seigyokei wa D610 to onaji mono” which means: “the basic control system is the same as that of D610″. What that means is another question …

  • broxibear

    I wonder if any of these patents will show up in this camera ?

    http://nikonrumors.com/2013/04/04/nikon-patents-for-illuminated-f-mount-duplicated-electronic-mount-contacts-and-hybrid-viewfinder.aspx/

    As far as price goes, I’m still expecting £2399.99…not long to wait now.

    • nbleak21

      I definitely think an “EFV Overlay” is plausible. Judging from the patent (Can’t read Japanese) It looks as though that three layer stacked element of the patent could be:
      15. LCD ambient light cutoff (similar to the tech used in the Maybach sun roof)
      16. backlight illumination panel (similar to kindle paperlight tech)
      17. transparent EFV display overlay.

      This would definitely be indicative of “Digital Fusion.” My money is on the “EFV Overlay.”

  • rhlpetrus

    Very useful, I was afraid it would be necessary to look at back LCD or VF to know essential info like aperture, even in full manual mode. Nikon is not dumb, this is not a functionally retro camera, just looks like one at first site.

  • Magem

    How much is D700 FPS without batterygrip? Is there rumors about Df batterygrip? 39 points is disappointment. but i think, this will be my next cam. lets see what kind VF this cam will have

    • Erik

      As much as I wish you were right, the D610 does not get higher fps with a grip and the Df is based on the D610.

    • J. Dennis Thomas

      D700 is 6fps without EN-EL4 or AA in grip

      • Erik

        Isn’t the D700 5 fps without a grip?

        • J. Dennis Thomas

          That could be. I thought it was 6. It’s been awhile since I looked at the specs. I know it shoots 8fps with grip and that’s enough for me.

          • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

            DPR reported 5FPS w/o grip back in the day.

  • Arthur

    Nice related post from 2008: “Nikon D90 will have a swivel display + New Nikon S like digital rangefinder”. That’s what we’re here for: rumors! :)

  • jake

    I can’t wait! A stripped down D4 for those who don’t need all those extra features. All I want is the ability to change shutter speed, aperture, ISO, and white balance. Just your basic photography needs with an amazing sensor. If it actually has a D4 sensor.

    • Last Mohican

      Though, given that its control system is based on the D610, I would have appreciated two little holes on its left hip: one for an external mic and the other for earphones. No speaker or mic needed really, but given the D4 sensor and D610 control system I don’t see why video was discarded … 80 years Nikkor anniversary model, marketing ploy? Video could be buried deep in the menu system and would need just one little button …

      • Duke

        I believe there is no video on this thing.

        • Last Mohican

          I know that there’s no video, the head of development at Nikon confirmed that. Which is why I wrote “would have appreciated” and speculate that the omission of video was due to nostalgia or “pure photography” marketing strategy.

        • Derek Smith

          I wonder if we are going to get a discount since no video? Or is NIkon going to charge us more for lack of features.

    • Emilio García

      White balance? I would say THAT is an extra no generally needed, because you shoot in RAW, right?

      • J. Dennis Thomas

        Just because you shoot RAW doesn’t mean you should ignore WB when shooting. Histograms are based on the JPG sidecar file and if you don’t have accurate WB you’re histograms aren’t going to be accurate which could affect your exposure if you use the histogram to judge it.

        • Zograf

          Not entirely true. RGB channels are still multiplied by different scaling factors and judging channel clipping (esp Red) from JPG RGB histogram is not enough. You need to set the WB to such a value where all channels (RGB) are scaled equally. On D700 the WB setting was 5000K, G6, if I am not mistaken. True, the JPG looks ugly bu the RGB could be used to evaluate channel clipping as all channels are approximately multiplied by the same scaling factor (close to 1). Then, whatever you do in post processing,no channel would be clipped. There has been extensive discussions in the past (DPreview). You can try searching for it..

          • fjfjjj

            Where did you get data on the native color temperature of the D700 sensor? I like your 5000K recollection but I’d like to know for certain.

          • J. Dennis Thomas

            The point is, if you want to get it right in camera it’s better to be more accurate while you’re shooting. You want to be as close to the actual output as possible.

  • broxibear

    So many comments, don’t know if anything has been said about this gap that runs down the left hand side ?…I suppose it might be a pre production body that doesn’t have all the bits on it.

    • Tomsky

      Most likely, the first images of the OM-D E-M1 were similarly crude.

    • Erik

      If that video was shot in September and the pre-production model looked this crude at that time, then I would guess that the final production has just about started.

      If the Df is announced on Tue 5th, when are the first shipments to be expected?

      • broxibear

        The video wasn’t shot in September, Edinburgh and Scotland in general isn’t that green in September. June/July is a better bet.
        It may just be a dummy camera, ie no electronics inside.

        • Erik
          • broxibear

            If that poster says he/she knows then fair enough, maybe the Edinburgh one was shot earlier ?

            • Erik

              Remember that the camera was masked out with black patches in the first videos? I’m now guessing it was partly because the pre-production model was so unfinished that it could not be shown.

      • J. Dennis Thomas

        For new cameras they generally roll them out in 30 days. For rehashes like the D610, 2 weeks. The D5200 was also rolled out in 2 weeks in the USA because it was announced in Europe and Asia first.

        I’d expect the the first copies to hit the market first week of December.

        • Erik

          That’s pretty fast I would say.

        • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

          They may do 2 weeks as well for Df because of the holidays shopping season.

          • J. Dennis Thomas

            The rep told me within 30 days. She’s always cryptic.

    • whatever

      looks like rubber grips starting to unglue… (sigh)

      • mikeswitz

        This obviously is a professional production. Do you really think the props guy would let them shoot with an unglued grip? That they would have only one camera? That anything you see is an accident. #s 1-5 were pretty carefully planned. No. 6 looks like it may have been an after thought, but everything you see is exactly what the director and therefore the client wanted you to see. I still think no. 2 was not shot in Scotland. The POVs of the fly fishermen look like Utah or Colorado and the woods are far too green.

        • Botanist

          The flora that is in the ‘fly fisherman’ video is found in Scotland, and not in Utah or Colorado. What you can see are Scots Pines (Pinus sylvestris), Alder (Alnus glutinosa), and also Ash (Fraxinus excelsior.) The flora in that video is distinctly part of the Scottish landscape.

          • mikeswitz

            There goes my theory. I wouldn’t know a Pinus sylvestris from a gluteus maximus. Thanks.
            But I do know film shoots and the business of show the audience exactly what you want them to see is absolutely true.

          • mikeswitz

            Botanist, Disqus is really screwed up. I replied to broxibear but it was your reply. I have no idea where that post went so I will say again, there goes my theory. I wouldn’t know an Alnus glutinosa from a Gluteous maximous. So thanks. I stand corrected.

    • Scott M.

      Very good observation! WTH is that? Why is that? For a retro grip? Hmmm.

  • John

    You want ultimate simple DSLR ergonomics? Leica figured it out with the S2. Nikon should just copy them.

  • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

    Hey @disqus_iS1KSQapa8:disqus, do you have an idea what time the launch is on the 5th? I saw a poor google translate text that hinted at 13:00, Japan time (I assume)

    • Last Mohican

      Saw the same thing, which would translate to 5 am in Europe and midnight on the East coast. But admin is surely better informed.

  • Marcel Speta

    Looking forward to see the tech spec and price officialy. I like FM3a and this looks nice as well. Would be more happy if they produce semi-pro FX for Masses like D700 was. D700 is still the best camera ever in my eyes. If there would be sensor from D610 (24Mpx) and 100% viewfinder coverage , built in GPS and WiFi – that would be another best ever… for years.
    Unfortunately this is something Nikon’s marketing doesn’t want to :-(

  • hexx

    what if there’s no hidden feature or miracle that is being kept away from us, what if this is it? underwhelming a bit, isn’t it? normal dSLR (with low res sensor for this year) and few retro dials on top to produce a tear or two.

    • Erik

      Not a D700/D3S/D4 replacement for fast AF and high fps, but a nice camera to use some legacy glass on.

  • Integral Moments

    I’m wondering how good this series will be and will it be significantly better in still shots, i guess time will tell, i’m not a big fan of the analog dials. thank you dear Nikon Rumors for the dedicated work to bring us the fresh lovely infos…

  • Scott M.

    So far this is looking like either a retro low cost hybrid with little to make me want to buy it-or they have some surprises at the end. Not excited with what has been rumored. Nikon give us something we need.

    • Erik

      Waiting for the D4S?

      • Scott M.

        Guess so…

    • Armin

      Same as me. No progress in the specs yet. Real innovation is not the strengs of Nikon (having called an “idiot” little below for that statement…). Their strength is to refine existing things. But I can’t even see that in the DF.

      • Scott M.

        They made a D800, which is an excellent high resolution camera for a fair price. With CaNikon, the most expensive features seem to be higher frame rates. For me, there is no reason to buy a 16mp sensor with 5.5fps. looks like it takes old lenses and saves energy-so what? I think Nikon can build and sell a baby D4. We shall see.

  • Jack

    Hope Nikon will roll out Capture NX3 alongside it.

  • jon

    personally, i like a camera shaped like a box (D3-D4) which is why on my D300s I had to add the extra grip just to get that effect. For verticals, which I take 2:1 to horizontals, a box is nice. To me, retro has no allure.

    • Integral Moments

      i guess there will be a battery grip for it later or maybe in the same time, I’m excited because of the D4 sensor in it and the idea of pure still images shooting camera might indicate of a powerful dedicated dslr beast

  • per

    Many sense that there is something missing. It now looks as if there won’t be anything remarkably new about this camera. But why then would Nikon make all this noise and do all this marketing, inventing new categories like Pure Photography and Digital Fusion – if it is just a one-off retrostyled D600 camera to commemorate 80 years of Nikkor? Don’t they risk an anti-climax? So many people suspect that Nikon has a killer feature up their sleeve. The key to this feature is the “kasaneage-shiki”, the three-tiered dial-lever at the top of the camera. The top dial controls the shutter speed. The lower dial controls the drive mode. But the lever at the bottom? Yes! This lever, occupying the very prime spot of the camera, controls the ground breaking hybrid viewfinder that gives meaning to the concept of digital fusion. Exciting times ahead.

    • Last Mohican

      Nothing left but praying …

      • Celtic

        Or, bribery?

    • hexx

      I’d say that it’s only double dial and with that lever you control bottom dial

    • Lamar Lamb

      I’m really trying to understand the whole desire for a hybrid viewfinder in this camera. i understand an EVF only in other ILC cameras so you can eliminate weight and reduce size. I understand a hybrid finder for a rangefinder style like the X-Pro1 but for a DSLR that won’t shoot video I don’t see any real compelling reasons for me to pay more for a hybrid finder. Is it so you can see better if your shooting with slow lenses?

      • Last Mohican

        Manual focusing, focus peaking for example.

        • Lamar Lamb

          I have tried focus peaking cameras but with a good VF and focusing screen and fast lenses i do better without it. I shoot more manual focus than i do auto focus anyway.

          • Last Mohican

            Yeah, with the kind of viewfinders we used to have in the age of “pure photography”.

            • Lamar Lamb

              I guess if you could zoom it in for critical focusing.

            • Last Mohican

              as we used to do with true parafocal zooms

          • flightofbooks

            A “hybrid” view finder that consists of optical + focus peaking would be nice.

        • Stan Dibben

          Split focussing screen, please. oh, please, please, please…

          • anon

            Modern 3rd party focusing screen is no match for the old time split screen. Probably because they are cheap. I have tried one too, even more difficult to focus compared to a standard focusing screen. It’s dark and its split circle doesn’t help. With old-timey FS, you can see the lines moving towards each other as you turn the focusing ring.

            • Stan Dibben

              Glad to know I’m not the only one. I had truly shift-focus issues: I bought a beautiful (in terms of color rendition and bokeh) Angenieux 70-210 (Leica r mount) and the cheap split-fs only worked at the low end. What it said to be in focus from 90 to 210mm, well, simply was not…

      • Read the FAQ

        fwiw, there is a communication specialist (who apparently has a connection with Nikon) and who said that Nikon is very “committed to the optical viewfinder.” He claims that one “won’t be disappointed” if they are wanting a high quality optical viewfinder with this camera. I’ll try to find the exact reference and post it here…..

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