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Nikon Df camera mockup by Mike Bacchin

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Nikon Df controls (credit: Dicahub)

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Dicahub tried to label some of the buttons visible on the top of the camera

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After the 1/4000 mark the shutter dial has "1/3 step" option (credit: Sandrino)

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BKT and AF/MF controls on the side of the camera

I had to publish a new Df post because the last one reached over 1,500 comments! Feel free to continue the discussion under this post.

There will be a total of 6 “Pure Photography” videos for the Df camera:

Nikon-teaser-videos
If the last video is a teaser, it will be released on Saturday at midnight (EST). If the 6th video is the actual camera introduction, it will be online on Monday at midnight (EST) when the camera will be officially announced. Stay tuned for detailed coverage.

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  • usa

    top knob reads: venti/grande/latte

    • On the fence

      Cute camera! It needs a cute price! Not like Adobe CC nonsense.

      • mikeswitz

        can’t afford it–don’t buy it.

        • R!

          Or wait hurry people tested It for you then firmware upgraded by Nikon to fix deffects and price will fall then buy It smart and happy!;)

          • mikeswitz

            That works too.

          • fred

            Ha ha. Price drop one week AFTER Christmas, don’t buy before christmas (tell Santa).
            Buy in January. ;)

      • lololalallll

        AdobeCC is 20$ a mo…. I’m not sure what you’re trying to imply but I doubt a camera will be less than 20$

        • Scott M.

          I just signed up two days ago.
          $9.99 a month for upgrade/PScc and LR5
          (I have CS6 on disc) So far so good. cc is pretty easy. Hated the idea but real thing is good so far.

          • Facts

            What will you do after two years of CC? Continue to pay 120/yr to be able to edit your PAST photos in CC? And yes, after 1 year it may not be 9.99… it will be 19.99… then you pay 240 /yr to edit your past photos… pay forever… hope you find life-long rent payment “pretty easy”!

            Maybe you like paying mortgage forever and not having a house in the end.

            • Www

              Agreed if CC cost us less they would not do it, plain and simple. Save now and pay later. Too many bils and a software bill is nonsense, especially for the hobbiests.

            • Facts

              Amen! “software bill is nonsense” for hobbyist, students, small business and freelancers. Its only ok for big companies with constant revenue streams… and for them, pro rate of 49/month is like a box of bagels for a team meeting.

              Keep the subscription model, but keep disc model as well for the rest. Make disc downloadable if they want to lower distribution and retail costs

            • Facts

              Amen! “software bill is nonsense” for hobbyist, students, small business and freelancers. Its only ok for big companies with constant revenue streams… and for them, pro rate of 49/month is like a box of bagels for a team meeting.

              Keep the subscription model, but keep disc model as well for the rest. Make disc downloadable if they want to lower distribution and retail costs

            • Earle

              The current implied plan is $9.99 “forever” now if “forever” is only one year, Adobe will have yet another major PR nightmare. It will likely be a couple years before “forever” has some sort of a window. And when that time comes there will be other options.

            • Guest

              Consumers have been trained for a long time now to a steady stream of smallish monthly bills. They’ve pretty much lost the long view of their finances; if they have the money for this month’s debts then it’s all OK. It works for Joe Blow editing dog pictures on his $500 Dell laptop. Real and pseudo-pros have to figure out something else.

        • Falk Lumo

          My MX which I still use sometimes would have been closer to $10,000 then. You doubt there are cameras less than this?

      • Theodoros Fotometria

        Specs, size and weight all suggest an entry level model, then there is more….
        1. The promotion policy of creating wonder with price last to be announced, is usual marketing policy for “pleasant surprise”.
        2. If this was to be expensive as some suggest, there is no future for other similar concept models, neither “under” (no room for lesser specs), nor “over” since better specs on a future higher model would lead to “over the roof” pricing of it.
        I am confident that this an “entry level product” of the whole FF Nikon line.

        • Photonut

          - Size and weight suggest an high end model. There’s no reason to make it big and heavy, but there’s the misconception in the customer’s brains that only big and heavy means “pro” quality.

          – “The promotion policy of creating wonder with price last to be announced, is usual marketing policy for “pleasant surprise”
          No, it’s marketing 101 !

          • Theodoros Fotometria

            Have you seen it or touched it? This is Nikon we are talking here …not Sony, neither Fuji, nor Leica. Nikons tradition IS that lesser weight and size suggest a lower end model (unless if you remember different) …and Nikon DOES have a way of making bodies that feel better and look more solid than competition at surprising cost…

            Obviously they’ve worked on this better than competition which is part of why they’ve been kept alive when they where stuck with APS-c, or when they where underspecified from competition.

          • Dpablo unfiltered

            It’s not that big or heavy. There.

        • JorPet

          Riiggghhhttt. An “entry level” camera with more controls than a standard beginner’s camera and a need for far more experience in photography than 80% of picture takers would ever have to make proper use of. Why wouldn’t it be the perfect camera for a point and shoot user to upgrade to?

          This targeted at more experienced photogs and those that will appreciate the old school controls. Expect it to be priced to keep it out of the hands of people just moving up.

          • Theodoros Fotometria

            What more controls? …it even lucks a top LCD and a pop-up flash…, or even video and the controls associated to it…
            Can you show me ONE (only one is required) aspect that this camera is better specified than any of the rest of the FX line…?

            I can show you 20 that it is underspecified from D610… (the most import and are listed above)…

            Nuts is not good for brain material….

            • fred

              - Latest news is that it has a small LCD on top.
              – Name an Nikon entry level DSLR that has no flash.
              – Targeted at older folk like me (who don’t want video)..

          • johno

            I agree, this is pure photography for experienced photographers……Looks good to me..

        • MrSkelter

          You are confident and you are wrong.

          Your marketing theories are crackpot. No one but a dollar store leads with the price of a new item.

          This couldn’t be less entry level. It’s a new line. Hence the new name. It’s not a D500.

          There will never be lesser specs because the specs are physical. The body. You can’t put a camera in this sort of body for $1,500.

          If people are happy to pay a premium for his kind of body with dedicated controls Nikon will happily build higher spec’d versions. The D3X was almost $8,000 and they’re still selling it.

          You’re so loud and so wrong. I suspect you’ll disappear on Wednesday.

    • Andrew

      This camera looks much nicer than I had anticipated. I like the concept of the retro look and feel, but I have to admit that retro can at times be plain looking. But the Nikon DF design is astonishingly artistic. It is to be treasured!

      • Theodoros Fotometria

        It surely will be a huge success among photography school students, artists and owners that still use old film equipment… All of the above aren’t usually prepared to spend much…
        It should also prove very popular for pros as their “free time”/fun camera, where they aren’t under work pressure.

        • Bad

          Not sure if this is accurate or not. I am torn.

      • johno

        Looks like my FM 2 and FM 10…I want it.

    • Annie Liebowitz

      Its all about design sex, papi…. apple’s mojo

    • Read the FAQ

      Just for the record, it’s tall/grande/venti. Or latte/cappuccino/latte macchiato. You’re mixing up your knobs ;-)

  • jake

    I can’t wait! This is only the beginning. People are already complaining about the price before they know it. This will be the flagship in Nikon “DF” line. Do we really want Nikon to introduce the cheapest model first? I’m sure we will see cheap variants come out over the next two years for all the whiners.

    With the speed that technology its advancing(Moore’s Law) There will be affordable FF compacts in consumers hands all over the world in years to come!

    What an exciting time to be alive! Have fun, live well and keep creating images!

    Best regards,
    Jake

    • bimmerlovere39

      Yeah… that’s not how Moore’s law works.

      • jake

        Then how does it work then? Pretty much states that the transistors in microprocessors are getting twice as fast and becoming twice as small every 18 months. Pretty much using the current technology to develop the next technology. So how does that boot relate to digital camera bodies?

        • bimmerlovere39

          Moore’s law works off of transistor density, which allows for processors to get smaller and cheaper. An FX sensor will always be the same size sensor, which means it will always be more expensive than a smaller sensor.

          They will get cheaper, but we’re not talking anything like CPU price drops.

          • jake

            That I understand. I was thinking in the long term. I bet our kids might see disposable FF digital in the next 70 years.

            • Thom Hogan

              I’d think not. The elusive goal at the moment is to capture all photons and record how and when they got to the receptor. Light field, for example, is chasing the how, and Fossum’s work (he was a key leader in CMOS) is chasing the when (and some how).

              If you could accurately capture this information, I think an array of small sensors would be more likely the wave of the future, not a monolithic single one. Imagine, for instance, a round object with a lens at one side and an array of sensors on the opposite side. Hey, that’s an eyeball! Heck with Google Glass, think Google Contacts.

          • Thom Hogan

            Correct. CPUs get smaller with each new smaller process fab. In theory, that means that they become less costly for the same or higher function.

            Photodiodes, the heart of an image sensor, don’t really benefit from size advantages. What does is that the supporting electronics (e.g. the on-processor ADC) get smaller, allowing for more of the photosite to be receptive to light (larger fill factor). There are reasons to move to smaller fab processes for sensors, but you don’t get price advantages.

            As I’ve written many times, an FX sensor uses more silicon, wastes more of the wafer, and takes longer on the fab itself to develop. You can’t do anything about the first, you might be able to do something about the second if you could get really creative, and the third requires larger apertures at the gate, something that has slowly come into play and may be one of the things bringing down the cost.

            The move towards FX isn’t the camera companies anticipating that the whole camera world will be FX. It’s simply because the only sure buyers in the market are the upgraders at the high end, and if you can sell some more high-priced cameras you make up for a lot of missing lower cost camera sales. But it still leaves the issue: most of the highly profitable camera sales volume is in the US$500-1000 range. FX can’t get there any time soon.

      • Harvard : )

        Are you a professor in Nikon Rumors University?

    • Ronan

      That’s a VERY loose tie of Gordon Moore’s law. I know where you are heading with this, but people need to take it with a (large) grain of salt.

      • Blight

        Errr… Scilicium price (per kg) has nothing to do with Mr. Moore. Your argument is invalid.

    • NikonDude

      Moore’s Law doesn’t apply to semiconductor chips and the complexities of silicon wafer production, sorry.

    • umeshrw

      Prices don’t go down. They stay same. Only that we get incrementally advanced tech in an incrementally weaker body. Oh yes and smaller. So you may actually get that smaller camera down the line sometime.

  • http://gplimages.com/ TheFantasticG

    Like my wife says, “There’s only so much teasing I can take before it just starts to piss me off.” and I’m almost to that point. Instead of getting pissed off I’m just losing interest now.

    • Jeff Davis

      And it’s a hambeast of a camera.
      Over complicated.
      Oh well.
      Maybe next time Nikon.

    • bobdobbs

      Agreed. This nonsense has sent me to Pentax (I’m not mortgaging my children to go FX). Adios, Nikon.

      • mikeswitz

        buh,bye

        • bobdobbs

          Bye, sweetie.

          • mikeswitz

            really how much are your children worth anyway

            • bobdobbs

              I have no children. Try not to be so literal.

            • mikeswitz

              So then really they are worth nothing, which means Pentax doesn’t really gain anything.

            • bobdobbs

              It’s amazing you can work a computer.

            • mikeswitz

              No really I sold my children to take lessons. It’s amazing you can work a camera.

            • AnthonyH

              So you claimed you had children, rather than saying you’re cheap. Got it.

      • Bob Loblaw

        Glad you’re gone!

      • Mike

        It doesn’t cost two children. Only an arm and a leg. Thank you thank you I’m here til Monday.

  • Mark

    But what is the benefit in practical terms, and in comparison to the current digital cameras?

    • Yuri

      Nothing. Perhaps just smaller than other FX bodies.

    • Squidward

      Nothing. Its another handicapped Nikon camera designed to fit into a specific price bracket.

      The days of Nikon making the best cameras they could are over. They learned during the D3 D700 fiasco that deliberately making their cameras worse than they Could be made sense to them.

      This looks like an attempt at fashion, more then making a camera. They’ll sell a few hundred to the soccer mums.

      It does have the green ‘auto’ setting right?

      • Ronan

        D3/D700/D300 gave Nikon’s the best revenues by far. They also took Canon out of the picture.

        How the heck was it a fiasco??? Because they didn’t have video? I didn’t know a single person that couldn’t care less about video… Except the handful of amateurs with too much $$$.

        • Sahaja

          Do you know the actual sales volumes for those cameras?

          5DMk2 sold better than the D700

        • umeshrw

          I think what he means is ” It did us too much good for nikon’s satisfaction”. Hence to better their profit margins they are not repeating the same mistake(for them).

        • Cinekpol

          “They also took Canon out of the picture.” – Right, and Canon is now trembling under Nikon in Professional market.
          NOT.

        • Squidward

          Perhaps fiasco was a poor word choice. They were fantastic cameras, were the best they could be and sold in large numbers. But it seems Nikon thought more of us should have bought the D3 rather than the D700 – and so every camera since then is deliberately handicapped, so as not to repeat their “mistake”

          Look at the D600/610. Where’s the AF on button? Don’t tell me is costs $900 for one button, because that’s what we have to spend if we want one.

          As they fill every price bracket, they deliberately handicap the cameras to force us up a level (or two).

    • Sandy Bartlett

      Same sensor as $5900.00 D4 for starters,lighter weight, will use the older lens, build looks solid metal, who knows what else.

      • KimWon

        Hopefully it features D800’s focus system.

      • Andrew

        Wouldn’t want to guess. Sometimes it is best to keep ones expectations in check and be simply surprised at the reveal.

    • minivini_1275

      At first I thought maybe size and weight, but with the slow reveal and nice looking mock-ups, that hope is fading fast…

      • Sean

        I’m thinking the same. Stilly heavy and bulky. However let’s hope it will have other nice hidden functions we don’t know yet.

    • http://www.facebook.com/barefootintactivist Barefoot Intactivist

      A little smaller, classic controls, better looks. The big news would be if it had an EVF hybrid viewfinder a la X100. Probably not gonna happen though!

      • Anónimo

        Nikon already has a registered patent for that.

    • Celtic

      Designed for easy use of legacy lenses?

      • MyrddinWilt

        Wonder if it can mount my fisheye?

        Don’t want to have to do this:

        • Erik

          ;-)

    • Spy Black

      This is really for discreet market, much like the Fuji rangefinders, only a DSLR version with a shutter speed dial placed where they used to be in the old days. People like me like that very much, because we shot like that, literally for decades. It’s a very natural layout for geezers like myself, especially when you throw an old manual focus Ai lens on it. I’ll be right at home with a camera like this. Back in the day both your hands were used to shoot, not just one like today’s cameras.

      I think most younger photographers, unless they used such cameras when they were kids, really aren’t going to relate to this camera. Probably not at all.

      • neversink

        Mr Black Spy, I’m a geezer myself and have shot film for too many decades. i love all the old film cameras, however when it comes to digital, I also love how the D4 and D800 are designed. i think it is brilliant. I think this a gimmick camera that will not photograph any better than the two I just mentioned. We shall see shortly

        • Spy Black

          I wasn’t implying geezers can’t enjoy modern camera designs. I was however implying that they will be right at home with a camera like this. I know I will.

          It’s also not to say as that younger people wouldn’t enjoy this, but they’re not used to using a shutter speed dial and an F-stop ring to set exposures, they’re used to PASM dials and rotating dials. All one-handed operation. Not sure how well they’ll warm up to this camera.

  • Bamboojled

    could you repeat that?

  • somchai

    คนที่ห้า

  • minivini_1275

    Hmm, it’s gone from FM/F3 to D700/F3 to F4/D700. Of course, it’s all still fun and games – nobody’s yet put an eye out!

    • inteliboy

      Yup, I’m not really interested anymore. It’s big, bulky and has an overkill of dials and buttons. Same shit, different retro skin. Was hoping for a streamlined, manual dslr in a classic body. Oh well.

      • neversink

        For Pete’s sake already, buy an old used Nikon FM or F3 or F2. They are cheap, and shooting film is really not expensive. Digital needs more of the buttons and menus, and that is why I like the D4 and D800. But more importantly, I like the photographs I get from them.

    • lololalallll

      Im not sure why everyone thinks it looks like an f4. It’s very much an FE/FM2. I had one. It looks identical to it.

      • Spy Black

        Nah, seems more F3-like than FM.

        • NikonDude

          Truth be told, it contains aesthetic elements of ALL of those aforementioned cameras, but doesn’t quite look exactly like any of them, either.

          Hence, “hybrid”.

          Ahhhh >> see what I did there?

          • Spy Black

            You never know, you might have just nailed what they meant by that.

        • Theodoros Fotometria

          It looks like a Df to me….

        • Dpablo unfiltered

          It looks like an F3 in the body and an F2 in the prism. Or… about as good as I was ever going to expect…

      • Erik

        It is not chrome
        It is not small
        It does not have as clean lines as the FE/FM-series
        It has a built-in grip
        = F4!

    • kim

      Looks like the love child of an F3 and an FM to me. The F4 is only a distant uncle.

  • toby

    Out of curiosity – do people prefer the D4 sensor or D800?

    • Richard

      I prefer D4. It’s perfectly fine for my journalism style.

    • MostInterestingManInTheWorld

      I prefer Dos Equis.

      • Dong

        dos equis … the new Viagra?

    • http://www.facebook.com/barefootintactivist Barefoot Intactivist

      D4

      • Anónimo

        My computer prefers the 16 Mp sensor…and I can perfectly live with such a “shortage” of pixels either…

    • http://www.davidkasman.com/ David Kasman

      Depends on what I’m shooting.

      • Hugh Hefner

        Porn needs D800E

        • J Holmes

          D4 to catch the money shot.

    • Bill

      D4 because it makes me sound professional.

      • Pill

        By saying this, shows your mind and skills are not pro!

        • Ian Dangerzone

          by responding thus, it shows your ability to detect tongue-in-cheek commentary are also woefully inadequate.

          • mikeswitz

            Do you notice how many poster who call themselves pros have no sense of humor?

            • Ian Dangerzone

              But they are able to illustrate a fact about light that I never realized: apparently, the sky is white in every wedding. One must necessarily be humorless to live in the world of white skies.

            • mikeswitz

              oh, you’re gonna get letters!

            • Ian Dangerzone

              I hope that they’re angrily worded.

            • mikeswitz

              well, they won’t be funny.

            • Ian Dangerzone

              They will be if they’re angrily worded and feature a white background.

            • Spy Black

              They’re ALWAYS funny when they’re angrily worded…

            • Mike

              Those are just weddings shot with Canon.

    • Killroy™

      D4. 36MP is overkill for this camera and it would price it too high. Besides, the D4 has far better high end ISO capabilities.

      • Sahaja

        Why would a 36mp sensor make the price higher? The price of sensors mostly corresponds to their size not the number of megapixels. If anything the D4 might be more expensive because of lower production volumes.

        • Killroy™

          The D4 is not more expensive due to the sensor. It’s the build and speed of the CPU and durability of the camera itself. Built like a tank and priced like one too.

          • TheInconvenientRuth

            Yep, it’s the same with a car. the 3.0 V6 version might cost 3x more than the 1.8 4 cylinder version. Not because the engine is THAT much more expensive, but because everything else has to be beefed up too; suspension, steering, brakes, exhaust, torsion bars, body stiffness etc.

        • Zeke

          Well, you need bigger buffers and wider data paths to support more megapixels at the same frame rate, but that shouldn’t add too much to the bill of materials.

        • Theodoros Fotometria

          Could be slightly higher because of more transistors involved for A/D conversion and because percentage of sensor rejection maybe higher… but only slightly given that materials quality are the same… There may also be some more processing power required and more buffer capacitance for bigger files.

    • Erik

      For my AI-S glass (especially wide angles) I have a feeling that the D4 sensor is better

    • kim

      D4 for a camera like this!

    • neversink

      I like both depending on the subject matter. They both are great cameras. The D4 has beautiful color. The D800 can be cropped if you need to, and that is particularly helpful for wildlife photographers. I move between them both a lot.

  • kb foot

    Mike, Thanks for doing the mockup, but…a rewind knob???

  • Roman

    Inter changeable focus screens would be cool, eg from the F3

    • Spy Black

      Keep your fingers crossed, let’s hope it’s at least an option.

    • Pat Mann

      Not only cool. As far as I’m concerned, that’s the only possible premium feature of this camera that justifies a price premium over the entry-level FX cameras. If this is really the D4 sensor, but hobbled the worst available AF system, I’m hard-pressed to find anything else that would justify my purchase at a premium price.

      If it’s really optimized around manual focus, that would sell it for me, and make it a great partner for my D400 and D800.

      • fred

        Yes, slower FF partner for my high speed DX D400 too. ;)

  • Kev Dav

    Would have been much more excited over a real D700 or D300s replacement.

    • Guest

      How is this not a D700 replacement?

      • mikeswitz

        Oh, its a D700 replacement, its just not real.

        • Kev Dav

          This is much like saying the D800 is it’s replacement. Yes it could be, if you want a fps rate capable of catching turtles cross the road.

          • joey

            D700 will catch mutant ninja turtle action.

      • Erik

        How many times do I have to say this?
        – DF use the D610 AF module with all AF points cluttered in the centre + bad low light focusing performance

        – DF only has 1/4000s, D700 has 1/8000s
        – DF only has 5.5 fps, D700 has 8 fps (with the the grip)

    • John

      Go buy a different Nikon camera and leave this one for who will appreciate it. If you love the D700 so much, YOU CAN STILL USE IT!!!!

      • Kev Dav

        Actually, there is not one I am interested in buying currently. And to the second part, I DO.
        So go buy this 3K nostalgia piece ;-O

  • John

    I’m not sure what advantage this camera has over the 610, besides slightly better build quality.

    • John

      I mean, it’s not FM3a small, and it’s not heavily featured like one of their other DSLRs. The AF is not an improvement. Seems a little neither fish nor fowl. So, uh… help me out here…

      • Celtic

        Can’t help. The pictures in teaser 5 got me to wondering.

      • Harold

        Plus, there is no video function, same old expeed processor, no wifi, 1/4000 shutter like D610, and metering like D610. Nikon must be very confident in this camera.

      • Erik

        Not FM3A, I’m starting to think F4

    • I am…about to get laid

      Huge advantage over D610, you get to go places, drive a Defender, immediately become a good looking hipster and get all the girls, all because of the camera.

      Because I’m a fat photog that drives a Honda, I’m buying three of these. Finally, I’m going to mate with a woman. I am…about to get laid.

      • getting laid maybe?

        oh yeah… yeah… yeah… but i can only afford 1/2 of these woman mating cameras…

      • NikonDude

        Sarcasm becomes you.

      • Erik

        Sorry! He is lonely and sad and doesn’t have very much luck with women, that’s why he is compensating with his DF all the time. If he had luck with women he would probably shooting their portraits with a D5300 and kit lens instead.

        • fred

          ha-ha, it is not good you do not see sarcasm. Don’t buy the DF, you wont see anything with that either.

    • Last Mohican

      According to the French Chasseurs d’images site (http://www.chassimages.com/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01articleid=127&cntnt01returnid=84 ) the new camera will have a twin mode: reduced power for manual shooting where only sensor and minimal functions are active, and full power where the whole thing is active as in other FX cameras. They say that this is pretty much the only truly new feature and call its price (“close to 3000 euro without lens”) absolutely delirious. They like manual features but call it a symptom of Nikon’s innovation crisis and good mainly for people who fight to be early owners and like to show off the latest retro gadget.

      • as

        i don’t need a low power mode! i can buy another battery. but i do need something smaller than d800 with an ff sensor for travels. something that doesn’t use $1k 35/2.8 and 50/1.8 lenses. cmon nikon, it’s not that hard!

        • Last Mohican

          Low power mode may be a misnomer; call it manual mode for enthusiasts and pros who don’t need or want screen, buttons etc.

          • as

            why wouldn’t you want a screen in a digital camera?? looks like df has more buttons than any other nikon dslr, plus this useless shutter control. These are all just consumer gimmicks – low power mode, manual control, retro look. i will only buy it if it has a smaller size than d800/d600, and if it accepts current nikon lenses. i do not care about manual focus or ai-s, i have multiple ai-s and d lenses, and they all suck compare to current g versions.

            • Last Mohican

              Ask the pros on this forum. I’m sure at least some of them prefer to set everything up via “useless” dials, have a good viewfinder, metering and focusing and don’t need the rest until they review shots format cards etc. i like to check shots, but some don’t. Not everybody is like you or me, getover it.

            • as

              haha, i’m not arguing with this. i’m sure some ppl want dials and no screen, just not sure how many… i will get over :) i was really hopping for an fm2 size dslr, but looks like we’re getting a lower mp d600 with a bunch of extra knobs…

            • fred

              I just glance at either histogram or overexposed blinkies.

            • mikeswitz

              No one gives a shit if you buy this camera. Least of all Nikon.

            • Ken Elliott

              I can pick up my F4, and with a quick glance, see pretty much everything I need to know about the camera settings. On all my dSLRs, I have to wade through the menus and study. The F4 is a serious tool that you can work very quickly with – nothing is hidden. God, I miss that. I’ve wanted a digital version of the F4 for years, and this camera looks pretty close to it.

            • Pat Mann

              Well, on all my DSLRs I just have to glance at the top LCD, but there’s still the difference between a watch with a digital display and one with an analog display – there’s an order of magnitude more processing in your brain required to interpret the digital display when compared to the analog. I like having basic functions there to read right where I set them.

        • Sahaja

          Maybe they should have made the batteries shaped like film canisters, labelled them Tri-X, and good for only 36 shots.

          • Ken Elliott

            While funny, it actually would not be a bad idea. Mostly because it would likely be yellow or green. Tired of having every piece of my kit black – too easy to lose stuff in the field.

        • Mike

          D610 is smaller.

          • Theodoros Fotometria

            No… D610 is slightly bigger and 11.2% heavier…

            • Mike

              Than a D800?

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              Than a Df…

        • John

          It’s called the D610… go buy it and stop bitching about this camera.

      • tap0

        From what is written above, the ‘reduced power mode’ will be useful 50-100 years from now when we will be having an energy crisis. Right now, doesn’t make much sense.

        • tap0

          Just read the article, it seems this is an old one based on the ‘erroneous’ rumor that the Admin had published where the camera was called D4h etc. Admin, your thoughts on this ?

          • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

            I seriously doubt the Df will have such functionality.

            • Zeke

              On a side note, why do you suspect it’ll be called “Df” instead of “DF?” DF fits the historic naming pattern and would look great in those iconic block letters.

            • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

              I was told that – I hope it was not a spelling mistake :)

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              I think Df explains much:
              1. It keeps D in capital in the naming as for Nikon tradition for being digital and not film (F).
              2. It uses f in small as a letter to be differentiated from the capital letter, which implies that the line can be expanded (obviously only higher since Df has minimal specs) to a another model by only changing one letter… (i.e: Dl, or Dg, or Dk or other)
              3. Using letters in naming, gives the product more “identity” than using numbers and differs it from other products… (i.e. its more identity to a product called “RS” or “GTI” than “2000 turbo”).
              4. It relates the product better with Nikon’s past two letter tradition. (FM, FE, FA etc)

            • fred

              Agree, the ‘past two letter tradition’ has strong merit.

          • Last Mohican

            No, it isn’t old; if you can read French and not just Google translate, you understand that they are pulling together all recent info and, given that Nikon is now erecting stands for the Paris Expo and Nikon certainly has some materials printed in Paris for decoration etc., it could very well be insider info. To me at least it makes far more sense than 99% of the wishlists on this site.

            • tap0

              So 3000 euros would equate to $4000. That price is between the D800 and the D4.

            • Bernard

              Electronics are a lot cheaper in the US than just about anywhere else. Prices don’t translate that way. It’d probably correspond to a ~$3000 US price, not the value equivalent.

            • tap0

              the nikon d800 costs 2100 euros on amazon.fr

            • Erik

              Price difference is usually equivalent to VAT level. So prices without taxes are more equal.

            • MisterF

              Yes, in Europe we have this problem, if the price is $1000 you know that you will pay €1000… check the D4, USA $5996.95 Europe €5500…$5996.96 are €4445.44

            • Erik

              Yes, that’s where I think it will sit pricewise

        • John

          You are basing this off a rumor remember….

      • Jon McGuffin

        This would also seem to align with the “hybrid” claims that we’ve been seeing. This seems like a VERY plausible scenario, I’d like to hear what NR Admin thinks about this. Also jives with the whole “pure” photography theme we’ve been seeing. Just a click.

        Makes sense to me (though it’s a bit of a gimmick).

        • fred

          Hybrid, as in energy? Thats not so sexy!

          We want a hybrid pentaprism or hybrid focus screen or hybrid viewfinder or a hybrid shutter or hybrid SOMETHING else!

      • Sahaja

        The camera looks interesting, but with all the design changes and Nikon’s recent record of QC failures, who wants to be an early adopter?

        • Zeke

          I wouldn’t have worried about the QC failures if Nikon had gone out of their way to take extra care of their customers. Everyone makes mistakes – it’s what they do about them that counts.

          There are some companies whose products you can buy with complete confidence because you know they’ll go above and beyond to make things right in case something goes wrong.

          Their handling of the D600 eroded that confidence and should – and probably will – cost them future sales of all products.

        • Theodoros Fotometria

          In marketing, you try not to repeat mistakes in order not to get a bad reputation… Next product, is the best way to overcome these issues.

        • silmasan

          Hm, you made me think… is it made in Japan or Thailand? That would tell a lot about its product positioning, wouldn’t it.

          • Theodoros Fotometria

            Surely it will be overseas (from Japan), Sendai is a low production plant for expensive items only…
            My believe is, that soon, there will be a higher up version, with better AF, shutter, storage media and other improved features, that will be sold about 1000 higher in price and it will be a “real” alternative/replacement to the D700 users, that will be made in Sendai…

            • silmasan

              I’d guess Sendai too, since it seems to have upscale build quality… but I’m not sure about that improved model being released soon.

      • NikonDude

        That Chasseurs d’images price quote is wildly inaccurate.

        • Last Mohican

          What do I know …. Do you by any chance, you must since you speak of inaccuracy? What’s the magic number then, the really really accurate one?

        • Pat Mann

          We’ll know in a couple of days, but to me it’s the most likely range – 3000 euros, $3000 or so in U.S. This is being hyped as a unique camera.

          If it really is set up for manual focus with fast lenses like the classic film cameras with their interchangeable screens, that would absolutely separate it from the rest and justify this price. If not, it does seem more like an entry-level F with some distinguishing features, but nothing that would justify a price much different than that of the D610.

      • Kendall Owns Ownafide

        This is precisely what I predicted it would do once I heard the name and saw the dials. It makes sense. It is a very retro concept as many earlier model cameras had manual functions without battery but additional features with the battery on (i.e. light meter). This feature would be similar to the idea of a manual film camera with a digital back that (once fully turned on) would be more like a modern dslr. I’d say it makes total sense. Digital fusion.

      • kim

        I’m going on a long, remote trek next year, with no possibility for recharging batteries for weeks. I’d figured I would have to resort to film camera(s) only. Now I will rather bring the Df in manual mode and a couple of spare batteries, and my FM2 or F3 as a backup. Fortunately, a local Nikon dealer agreed to put me first on the Df pre-order list, even though the camera doesn’t officially exist yet.

    • nyu

      Its all about design sex, papi…. apple’s mojo!

    • Last Mohican

      I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the French article re. features and price, but it has rather detailed info also on the coupler for older rabbit ears lenses etc.; and I might point out that preparations are in course in Paris for the camera show (beginning Nov. 7) where the new camera will be shown. So if there’s any place outside Japan where the camera now is around it might well be Paris.

      • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

        I believe their article was based on my post.

        • Sahaja

          Nearly all the blogs and articles about this camera are ~ and half of them don’t give any credit to Nikon Rumors

          • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

            Yes, welcome to the Internet :)

            • T53

              Exactly….Attribution died with the Web.

        • Last Mohican

          Yes indeed, they refer to NR and appreciate your work (as I do), but they might also have other sources. They insinuate however that somehow NR is in bed with Nikon (based on publication of screen shots of videos before release) but as you know the French are as fond of conspiracy theories as Americans and Italians. What’s of interest to me is the content of their info; and a twin use mode would (with one being “pure photography” and “in my hands again”) does sound plausible, and it may have nothing to do with saving battery but rather with straight photography. Just my 2 cents.

          • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

            That’s a possibility. I did have some screenshots before the videos were release, but I am definitely not in bed with Nikon (I wish I was).

            • http://www.mikekobal.com/blog mike kobal

              I’d rather be in bed with the flickr chick ;)

            • mikeswitz

              “I wish I were”

            • fred

              I AM…in bed.

          • http://www.gordonmoat.com/ Gordon Moat

            The original Nikon 1 System campaign used hands as the basis.

          • Eric Duminil

            The article didn’t implied NR is in bed with Nikon. Just that Nikon actively releases rumours that end up at Nikon Rumours via unknown contacts.

            • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

              I don’t think that’s correct either. In the past few years Nikon has made it very difficult for any rumors or leaks to get out.

            • fred

              The NSA spy agency read and hear everything. Even they don’t know the price.

          • Theodoros Fotometria

            I think its wrong to be based on articles that speculate on indirect to them information to judge price… can’t you see that Nikon is preciously avoiding any price leak…?
            You should wonder why this is a major part of their promotion policy… “price to be announced last!”
            In marketing promotion, after you create wonder and anticipation for a product, you keep the best part to promote last…
            Think about it… do you have another example of expensive product where price was kept as a last minute secret so carefully?
            This is marketing suicidal policy… What’s the point of keeping the price last if you are going to disappoint a vast part of the market?
            …Ask any marketing expert, this is a “cheapo”!

    • Erik

      Retro looks like a F4? Can use non-AI lenses? Metal body? Shutter speed dial?

      • T53

        F3…F4 grip is more pronounced.

      • fred

        Will the price of non-AI lenses go up on e-Bay now?

        There are lots of them under $90.
        Any gems in there???

    • John

      Why does it need an advantage? It is an ergonomic difference and that means something to those of us who prefer our cameras to have dedicated dials and a different shape. Not everyone likes the current Nikon DSLR’s shape. Nikon realized that and appears to have delivered.

      To think that this was ever going to be as simple as a mechanical SLR from the 70s was a pipe dream.

  • http://www.davidkasman.com/ David Kasman

    The mock up by Mike Bacchin is a good attempt, but it is off in enough important ways, in particular proportions, to change the character of the Fd camera. The actual video still of the Fd is markedly more striking and chiseled with more appealing, leaner shapes and proportions. NR readers are going to really take to this Fd when the camera is fully revealed.

    • M!

      exactly. the hot shoe is even missing, the prism housing is wrong size/shape. fonts are incorrect. the dials are incorrect in height. look at the side profile photo and then his render.

    • Sahaja

      The shutter speed dial should have two rings. Where has the dial above the grip gone? – And where did the rewind knob come from???

      • Theodoros Fotometria

        I think you may be right…
        The back wheel dial must be for aperture in manual or A and for shutter on S modes.
        The shutter wheel dial may have two wheels, one for full stops and the thicker part underneath for third of a stop changes if the main shutter dial is set to the 1/3 stop choice…
        The remaining of settings of the shutter wheel after the 1/3 setting, must be the choice of modes.
        Exactly what I was thinking when I noticed the 1/3 setting and was examining the design… good point.

    • Spy Black

      It’s a mock-up, it doesn’t have to be exact.

      • desmo

        I don’t think he’s criticizing the mockup,
        so much as all the commenters knocking the camera when they have yet to see it,
        let alone operate it

        • http://www.davidkasman.com/ David Kasman

          Exactly.

  • Colin Stuart

    Check out that lens on there! Silver ring reminiscent of AI-S lenses but with an M/F-AF switch… neat.

    • Spy Black

      Frankly I think it’s kinda lame that for a custom one-off lens they didn’t put and F-stop ring on it. Although the camera is essentially a cleverly designed available parts bin F3-ish knock-off (kinda of hilarious on it’s own right), they could have gone a little more out of their way and stuck a click-stop potentiometer ring on the damned thing!

      • Ken Elliott

        I’d rather have an aperture control ring built into the body, right at the mount. That way all G lenses get an aperture ring. I think we will see this when they develop the F-mount mirrorless e-cam. With no mirror, there is plenty of room for a control ring. And I’m sure they’ll use an optical encoder, rather than a troublesome potentiometer.

        • Spy Black

          On a mirrorless that be a possibility, I can’t it being done on existing frames. Either way, may be a vulnerability in operation and weather sealing.

          • Ken Elliott

            Go look at a Nikon film camera and you’ll see there is indeed room for a control ring. Using an optical encoder means you would have weather sealing. Nikon has a history of making underwater cameras, so this should be pretty easy for them.

      • FlightlessKakapo

        Why did they choose to customise the 50/1.8G, when they could have customise the 50/1.8D which has a manual aperture ring. For asthetic, they should’ve replace that basic AF switch with a ring type or push-pull clutch/switch

  • Jumbonas

    Is it just me or does the front command dial (?) from dicahub seem like it will be awkward to use?

    • Spy Black

      It won’t get in the way of when I use this with my Ai lenses…

    • Nave

      I believe this dial is to adjust the aperture. Otherwise, how would you adjust g lenses?

  • Jake

    I want a removable pentaprism.

    • Victoria

      Like a thong?

      • FredBear

        What thong are you thinking about?

        “Start spreading the news,
        There’s a Nikon on the way,
        It’s got all the right parts on it
        New Nikon, new Nikon

        I’ve got lots to say
        It’s made my day
        I’ve got money to pay for it
        New Nikon, new Nikon

        When I wake up every morning
        I read what NR has to say
        and find that I’m grinning like a cat
        but Holy crap, still 3 more days

        Canon has the blues
        They’ve everything to lose
        You can hear the CEOs cry
        our techs too old

        and if they can make it every time
        with no faults on the line
        They’re gonna make a new start with it
        It’ll be bloody sublime”

        Add your own verse :-)

        Frankly Sinatra

        • FredBear

          One has to imagine the Nikon BoD, standing in a row with arms placed over the next person’s shoulder, singing this whilst doing a Broadway style ‘leg kicking’ left to right showbiz chorous girl bit.
          Would somehow show the Nikon Exec is ‘human’ after all.
          Then again …

      • Madamme Q

        Vicki, your mind is far too dirty for the rest of us here…

        Nah – you’re in a good company! :-)

      • callibrator

        Umm, removable thong…please don’t stop there Victoria, I’m all ears!

        • Victoria

          It’s hot today in Sao Paulo…so not wearing any, if that’s what you wanted to know.

          • T. Darcy

            ?!??!?!? Don’t ever leave this forum, please!

            We need more girls like you, that’s for sure!!!!

            • Pablo Ricasso

              Maybe she thought this was a different ‘kind’ of forum and stumbled here by mistake?

            • T. Darcy

              I don’t care what she thought – I’m just glad she’s posting here :-)

          • R!

            Feel free to send us some pictures ,you can post it here,this is a a nice way to apreciate your photography style !

  • Matt_XVI

    Please, oh please… Just come with a split prism focusing screen built in. Oh you would so have my money…

    • Spy Black

      Or at least as an option.

    • MyrddinWilt

      I can’t see any other justification for the styling unless it can support interchangeable focusing screens like the F3/F4 used to.

      But other than that it does look like the Nikon Rumors special. It has every feature that people have whined for apart from supporting the obsolete memory card format that is likely not technically possible any more.

      It has low resolution so the people who buy $2000 cameras and half a dozen $1600-$2400 lenses don’t need to spend $500 upgrading their computer to something not fit for the dumpster.

      It has no apparent video feature but within a few weeks of launch there will be another story as someone works out how to flip a switch and turn it on. Of course the code is going to be in there somewhere and the Nikon engineers are going to want the feature for their own use and just in case the camera does not sell and they need to shift the unsold units.

      It has no built in flash which the snobs think is point and shoot camera like.

      It probably does not have GPS or WiFi. But the nikon engineers might have put the chips in there and deliberately disabled them as well. Just to mess with people’s minds.

      The manual dials are nice and if this had been around at $1,600 when I bought my D800 I would have bought it instead and dropped the rest on a lens. But this is going to be a niche product costing more than the D600 for the people who would otherwise go to Leica.

      • ShakyLens

        “It has low resolution so the people who buy $2000 cameras and half a dozen $1600-$2400 lenses don’t need to spend $500 upgrading their computer to something not fit for the dumpster.”

        Thanks, this made me lol.

        • umeshrw

          I almost wrote the same thing and then I saw your post. LOL +1.

      • Eric Duminil

        I laughed too at your comment :
        “It has low resolution so the people who buy $2000 cameras and half a
        dozen $1600-$2400 lenses don’t need to spend $500 upgrading their
        computer to something not fit for the dumpster.”
        But really, with 36MP, you don’t only need a new computer. You also need lots of cards and backups.
        And a shiny new computer will still go twice as fast on 16MP pictures than on 36MP.
        I don’t need 36MP, so I’m really happy that there is a new camera with less resolution.

        • 36 not bad

          yup. one does not need a new computer really… most camera have 24 mp, and 12 mp more is nothing. After using D700, am happy with D800… because i can crop nicely. Yea, yea… its my skill-lack of framing properly in the beginning… but at weddings, when i forget or did not imagine to frame correctly… 36MP lets me crop nicely later. Big help! And processing size is not a problem… i process routine shots at 16mp downsized in RAW.

          • Theodoros Fotometria

            Where can one see your “wedding photography”? Is it in the “funny papers”?

        • MyrddinWilt

          The reason I need 36MP is that most of my good lenses are DX. I would rather pay $1000 extra and use my existing lenses rather than pay $3000 extra for replacement lenses that are much heavier.

          The D800 *is* the D400.

          The Df looks to me to be aiming squarely at Leica territory.

      • Theodoros Fotometria

        This is more or less what it is… but there is plenty of room for a higher model… I do agree this will be a 1600 camera, but I see a perfect base here for Nikon to upgrade the card, the AF, the shutter, the focus and some more features and thus offer a great D700 replacement at a higher price of 1000, without having to interfere with D800 body anymore, or create serious unnecessary internal competition with either D800 or D4…

  • Spy Black

    They should have put an “F” on the top of the prism…

    • 103David

      Oh, you’re right. I forgot. Sorry. Maybe we could specify removing the back to reload the memory card, like the original “F”
      You know, the used to say you could always tell a combat photographer because the camera back was rusty having been thrust into a sweaty armpit while reloading. :)

  • 103David

    Where’s the red accent by the grip like my F3? Sorry, no red accent, no deal.
    (How’s that for a pretty succinct imitation of at least 85% of the fanboy commentary? :)

  • f64az

    Ok I’m in…..

  • Pea

    This video makes the most important question:

    http://youtu.be/fiu6DFXeF9A

    • Erik

      I am not registered so I can’t vote you down. But if I were I would.

      • Pea

        Thanks!
        Not into good music?
        This is perfect to read a flood of nonsense.

  • Spy Black

    Mike Bacchin would’ve probably nailed it if he got rid of the rewind lever…

  • Spy Black

    Hike!

    • neversink

      1627th

  • Sahaja

    This is no longer a “Digital FM” – looks like a D700 replacement + retro camera idea rolled into one.

    • Thommas

      D700 replacement? I’m afraid it’s not even close.

      • Sahaja

        And not a Digital FM either – Half one and half the other and so may end up not satisfying either group.

        • FlightlessKakapo

          Nikon should just make a modern Kodak DCS back, then everyone would be happy. If they want retro, they can put it on a FE2 or FM3a, if they want speed they can put it on a F6 replacement. The F6 is nearly 10 years old, might well replace it with newer components from the D# and D### parts bin.

      • Erik

        As said several times previously. D700 has less cluttered AF points, 8 fps and 1/8000s

        • silmasan

          Plus ergonomics — D700 may be heftier at ~1kg, but it feels so good in the hand. F6 feels even better. I know I haven’t tried this DF thing though but…

          • silmasan

            Downvoted!
            “This camera’s not for you!!!”
            “grips are for sissies!”
            “I used to shoot the F-something all day in the sixties and bla bla bla…”
            “Keep using your D700 then”
            ;)

      • Mike

        No? One card slot, no video, ISO 200 & 1/8000 = 100 & 1/4000. People still rave about the D700.

        • Theodoros Fotometria

          Flash sync 1/250, Cf card, 51point AF, AF area, build in flash, fps and more is what you forgot to mention…

          • dale

            Flash sync at 1/250th while your base ISO is 200…don’t get too excited there.

            I wish people would shut up about the D700 already. its outdated and outclassed at this point.

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              As I said to another, some people where holding an umbrella when Lord was raining brains…

            • joey

              Camera not stuck on ‘base’ ISO.

            • vitalishe

              Until there is a camera that beats D700 in ALL parameters it is not outdated! Note that the price is also one of the parameters and it will continue adjusting as new cameras appear.
              If only for that point alone, there is no hope for you in any foreseeable future. We will keep rattling about how awesome D700 is ;-)

            • vitalishe

              Now, to actual rattling ;-)

              Both the sync speed and the base ISO of 200 are important when there is plenty of light. You can use basic D3200 or D5200 cameras and get great results there. D700 does not have an edge there.
              Where it does have an edge is in poor light conditions and in the overall robustness of images.
              This is why people love this camera.
              BTW, there are ways of bypassing the sync speed.

              Also, we have reached the point in the camera development where it is hard to appreciate/notice the extra pixels etc. (unless you are looking at a huge screen/print). The build of the camera body and how it feels in the hand are very important too. And D700 is as good as it gets with this respect, better than D600 and at least as good as D800.

              Also, when shooting in poor light conditions hand-held (even propped against something), hand shake will dominate the sensor resolution. So the advantage of D600 and D800 over D700 will be only in ISO performance and not in the pixel density (although the later effects the former in part).

              Bottom line, D700 is still a great camera for those low-light and non-extreme details situations. For me it is 97% of all situations.

          • joey

            yeah baby, as Austin Powers would say.

    • Gianluca

      It seems it has all the electronics of the D610: metering, AF and shutter (1/4000″ minimum shutter speed). I hoped for a D4 in a smaller body…

      • Theodoros Fotometria

        Electronics are “weaker” than D610 actually, …this has slower fps for 2/3rds the file size.
        D4’s sensor being the best around is a different discussion…

    • ioannis

      In terms of “Full Frame – no video – D4 sensor” it seems like a D700 replacement.

      However, with a EN-EL14? (see D5100) battery and upgraded sensor & engine, the big question is the buffer size (plus fps, AF points etc, that others mentioned).

      So it looks like D700 owners might just keep their precious jewel, for it has much more horsepower. Let’s see…

  • cletus_mcginnis

    I was hoping it would be thin like the FM2. It looks a little bulky in the video.

    • mikeswitz

      Too bulky for what?

      • Erik

        Too bulky for not thinking about M43 or Sony A7/A7R as a walk-around camera when you’re out and your main purpose is not to take photos.

  • Spy Black

    So what is that 1/3 Step business? I don’t get that.

    • Killroy™

      Probably allows you to set the shutter speed via one of the control dials in 1/3 steps like all other DSLRs.

    • Mike

      You can use that dial for full stops or select 1/3 and use the modern command dials for 1/3 stops. Hybrid use. That’s 100% speculation. But my opinion makes sense. ;-).

      • Spy Black

        Oh yeah, maybe set that dial to that and then use the rear dial like you normally would with a typical DSLR. Or possibly set that and use the front dial to set F’s at 1/3 increments in AP mode with G and D lenses.

    • goose

      i believe that’s the hybrid part of it. with the “1/3 stop” itll be a common dslr just with one flick of a switch from an old school full stop dial.

    • mikeswitz

      My guess would be you can change the shutter speed in 1/3 increments using the command dial

      • Spy Black

        Or maybe the F-stop on G and D lenses with the front-mounted wheel in AP mode.

        • mikeswitz

          Actually that would make more sense.

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      Me neither. Maybe this was a prototype and the label was not final?

      • mikeswitz

        Again my guess would be that when you set the shutter speed dial to 1/3 Step now command dial takes over and you have finer control over the shutter speed. Just a guess.

        • Spy Black

          Possibly F-stop with that front dial.

          • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

            I’m pretty sure that’s the case too. Or the reverse.

            Just speculation.

        • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

          That’s what I think too, mike.

        • J. Dennis Thomas

          It wouldn’t be necessary to have a special setting for 1/3 steps. The Leica shutter speed dial has clicks in between the standard 1 stops.

          • Sahaja

            The F2 had a shutter you could set anywhere between the marked speeds

            • Lamar Lamb

              Only for 1/125th and above. The green colored shutter speeds.

        • Pat Mann

          This makes immense sense to me.

      • Arie Arielly

        I think this is a clever option.
        Full stop classic control or 1/3 stop high precision control, probably through the rear command dial.
        Maybe, in the 1/3 mode, we’ll get a wider range of speeds.

  • Spy Black

    Man, this has been the best rumor in a long time, possibly the best rumor ever!

    • FredBear

      Most popular

      • Spy Black

        Yeah, something like that…

        • mikeswitz

          But fun. It has been a game changer for Nikon Rumors, I think.

          • FredBear

            Yep, This could be “The one camera to rule the others”.
            Then again Nikon could screw it up …

  • Belicosos

    My thought throughout is that it’ll be really expensive- look at the advertising spent on this and to whom the audience is most likely to be. Plus, its not mass marketed. It’ll be worth more than the D800!!!

    My experience is older lenses are not on par with current 16+MP sensors so I don’t think it’ll be a high res sensor.

    Two power modes dont make sense either. If I were in the market for analogue, I wouldn’t want any gizmo tech in the camera even if it can be disabled, and vice verse if I wanted to go totally computerized.

    Many like myself would be happy to pay more for a better built D600/610/800. Something as simple as better feeling buttons/solid feel/”Made in Japan” would do the trick.

    On very very very far field possibility… this could be a fixed lens camera!!!???… doesnt look it from the pics but just a thought.

    • tap0

      this is not a fixed lens camera. In video 3 or 4, where he sits by the campfire, he is shown changing lenses.

    • Spy Black

      Nah, this is a cleverly done recycled parts bin product.

    • Erik

      I think it will sit between D800 and D4 and will cost somewhere around $3-5K. Leica M is $7K

  • sausage_grinder

    Does the Df look kind of like a Zenit 12 to anyone else, or is it just me?

    • Spy Black

      How many beers did you have?…

      • sausage_grinder

        Shouldn’t that be Vodka?

        • Spy Black

          Oh, that’s what you had…

    • FredBear

      Goes back to the days when one didn’t worry what the camera looked like, just the end product.
      Cameras built as instruments, not necklaces.

    • desmo

      nope
      it appears Nikon is much better qualified to copy a Nikon
      than Zenit

    • Dpablo unfiltered

      They all look the same…

  • Photoretouchpro

    I’ll wait for the DF 10. >:(

    • Spy Black

      Don’t you mean the DF 400?

    • Erik

      Already DF2 will be super, but it is more likely to be a DF2 if you buy the DF in the first place.

      I think the DF will be ok. I will most likely buy one.

  • Photoretouchpro

    I think G lenses on this retro body will just look silly.

    • Pablo Ricasso

      No, not really.

    • mikeswitz

      why?

  • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

    New lens = LEAF shutter?

    Got a better idea other idea cuz I don’t. Unless there is aperture control hidden in there somewhere that we’ve missed.

  • Eintean

    People who look for leather half case or leather neckstrap will stop looking since this camera doesn’t look retro at all IMHO.

    • Erik

      I understand how you think, initially I wanted a digital FM3A too, and preferably in chrome. Instead we got a sort digital F4. But I am fine with that. I haven’t sold my collection of AI-S glass, so I will use it on this body.

  • Jeff Curtner

    The last video is labeled as FULL before it’s taken down from Nikon Japan site. I’d guess it is going to be available on Tuesday Tokyo time.

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      Makes sense, I am even surprised they revealed that much. There not much left but to show the entire camera.

    • Jeff Curtner

      Now with the 90 seconds finale is leaked, I believe it is going to be shown tomorrow (Sunday Tokyo daytime).

  • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

    I’m going to make the STUPID, wild assumption that Nikon totally nails this launch and foolishly preorder as soon as I can.

    • mikeswitz

      Not STUPID. I think this is going to be an iconic tool.

      • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

        I’m worried about quality control :(

        • mikeswitz

          After the D600 Nikon can’t afford to ftcku this up. They have a history of making great products and the price will reflect that they didn’t cut corners. At least I hope so.

          • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

            Sometimes I feel like being a Nikon shooter is like being a fan of a losing football team.

            You know they’re good – they have everything they need to be awesome – but somehow they end up fucking it up and losing the game again and again.

            • mikeswitz

              I’m a Redskins fan so I know exactly what you mean

            • FredBear

              I like peanuts too.

          • fred

            They have to think carefully about ‘features’.

            The SB-900 thermal cut-out was seen by Nikon as a ‘feature’. Wedding pros saw it as ‘hindrance’ or Pain-ITA. Me?…I just turned this ‘feature’ off in SB-900 menu. Then out comes SB-910.

            Nikon do listen to the complaints – they just rarely if ever acknowledge them!

        • Erik

          If it is in the $3-5K range they better have some decent quality control in place.

          • fred

            This will be built in China/Thailand or Japan?
            I think Japan – then China later on.

        • FredBear

          Hang in there. I wouldn’t preorder with Nikon’s QA issues.
          Next year it’ll be cheaper and they will have ironed out the problems.
          I’m in the same boat BTW :-) but will wait to see what it offers. 24MP would have been better.

          • fred

            Some would say wait for ealy adopters to find problems.
            Then wait for fixed DF-10 version…(just like SB-900 and D600)…. ;)

    • J. Dennis Thomas

      I preordered mine as soon as the first video was released. I put in for two just in case.

      While I hesitate to say it’s the “D700 replacement” I do think it might be the camera that many of us D700 die-hards have been waiting for since the D800 was a bit of overkill for many of us and the D600 was a little under-performing. (I don’t expect it to be a speed shooter however).

      Judging from their marketing campaign Nikon has quite a bit of confidence in this camera. As do I.

      • Pete Grady

        I already got mine…through a camera store in Hungary.

        • J. Dennis Thomas

          You might want to check the label. It’s probably a Yikon.

  • user

    Some how I think it looks like Contax RTS 3 :)

  • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

    It’s like a mullet, except reversed:
    Party in the front, business in the back.

  • photoroto

    This dense package of electronic wizardry may have more computing power than all the computers on Earth put together when the meter-less Nikon F was king. That’s supposed to be “Retro?” I beg to differ.

    Retro requires a roll of Tri-X and you guess the exposure, and you know what acetic acid and sodium thiosulfate smell like, and you know that Nikor tanks have nothing to do with Nikon, Inc.

    • gruffmcgruff

      There’s a difference between ‘retro-styled’ and living in the dark ages.

  • wootpile

    Take a look at the last screen-image. One inch from the eye, either that or you have to twist your head to get it close.

    The day they design a camera that takes into account the nose we all have, that’s the day I’ll say Hurray!.

    It would be so easy. Just make the viewfinder extendable when you use it. Problem solved.

    • Sahaja

      The Asians who design these do tend to have shorter noses.

      • Erik

        So why don’t we have stronger photo industry in America+Europe?

        • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

          Kodak and Polaroid wanted to play chemist instead of market great digital cameras.

          Europe still has Leica.

          Just thinking out loud.

          • Erik

            Hasselblad has gone all sad with the Lunar and their technology in the medium formats has not been updated for several years.

        • Read the FAQ

          Alpa (reborn by the Swiss company Capaul & Weber), Linhof, Arca Swiss, Leica, Cambo, Noblex, Silvestri, are still in existence and making products. Plus we have more recent digital companies like Phase One (Denmark) Lytro (USA), Better Light (USA; scanning backs for existing view cameras.) Leaf was founded in the USA (but headquarters are in Israel; it was originally a branch of Scitex), and later was acquired by Phase One. There are many ancillary companies too, like Novoflex, Manfrotto/Gitzo, Kaiser, RRS, etc.. And we still have Zeiss, Schneider, Cooke, and Rodenstock as optical companies.

          There were several US companies; e.g., Argus, Graflex, Wollensak (shutters and lenses) Ansco, Bell & Howell, but none lived into the digital age, dying off long before then. Although Foveon (Foveonics) was a US company (acquired by Sigma), and Truesense (originally owned by Kodak) is also a US sensor company.

          Historically, the Japanese just copied existing cameras. And then made them less complex and more reliable. They also concentrated on much more efficient assembly processes. That also made them less expensive to buy and maintain. And so here we are today….

      • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

        Designed by the same Italian, Giorgetto Giugiaro who designed the D800 and D4, most likely.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgetto_Giugiaro

        He also designs cars, guns and other cool macho objects.

        • Sahaja

          Yes, he also designed the Yugo….

          • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

            Then he turned around and totally redeemed himself with the DeLorian.

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              He designed most Ferraris also… SLRs are supposed to be used against the chick with the head in an angle, …not towards the nose.

          • Mirko Radovanovich

            Far from it, do your homework.

    • TheInconvenientRuth

      The F4 and F5 had viewfinders that stuck out nicely at the back. But when they went digital, they filled that gap with sensor and LCD screen….

  • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

    I’m a noob. I hat to look up what X and T do.

    • Pete Grady

      X synchs your flash and T is time exposure

  • Erik

    I’m really at cross-roads. Anyone else in the same situation? If so, what are your thoughts right now?

    Alt 1:
    Keep all manual glass, maybe even buy more manual glass (e.g. Zeiss 21, Zeiss 100). Use DF for digital and FM3A for film

    Alt 2:
    Sell all my manual glass. Buy AF glass (e.g. Nikon 24/1.4, Nikon 85/1.8). Use D700 for digital (or upgrade to D3S/D4) + F6 for film

    • user

      I’m using D700+F100 with several AF lenses and couldn’t be more happy :) My shooting style require a quick focus so manual lenses are not really practical for me. So I guess it depend on what’s your style. Having said that if for some reason I have to find a replacement for my D700 the DF is definitely the first choice!

    • FredBear

      Use a mix.

      When you’re photographing fast action then you need AF.
      When you can take your time MF.

      • Erik

        Yes, this could be an option, two different kits depending on the mood I am in –

        a) D700 (or D3S/D4) with AF lenses for action (+ F100/F5/F6 if I want to shoot film with the AF lenses)

        b) DF with manual lenses for slower shooting (+ FM3A if I want to shoot film with the the MF lenses).

        End result –

        Possible upgrade of D700 to D3S or D4
        Possibly upgrade of F75 to F100, F5 or F6
        Buy more AF lenses
        Keep collection of MF lenses + possibly invest more in MF glass also

        Buy Nikon DF body

        Has Nikon just sold me two separate camera systems? Or should I just upgrade to a D3S or D4. Sell my manual lenses and film bodies and be happy with it?

        • Read the FAQ

          fwiw, I mix AF and MF with both film and digital bodies (F3, D800E, D3s, D600.) Of course with the AFS-G lenses I can only use them with the digital bodies. But there are good AF-D lenses out there, too. Those can be easily used on both body types as AF and MF. Plus the AF-D will be a better fit (size/weight) with the new DF if you want both AF and MF.

          Nonetheless, why anticipate what you might need? Instead you should buy lenses as you actually need them. Otherwise you can end up with lenses you might find that you rarely use. Just buy on an ‘as needed’ basis. It’s not like you’ll get a discount for buying several at a time :-)

      • Pete Grady

        We used to do zone focus for fast action photography and it worked about as often as the AF I’ve used on D300s and D3s. It is easier though, I’ll give it that.

  • FinchBug

    Really, from my perspective… I dont know. They promised something pure. Like water. A direct connection to a world of new. A tool to to enlighten the inspiration, which is there in me like a sleeping volcano… And all I can see now… It looks like a camera, and if I am not mistaken it will be a digital one. And what makes me completely furious: I has knobs and has a size! I am deeply disappointed. All they have to offer is a DSLR! Nikon, what where you thinking? Next time, mind your business, please!

    • mikeswitz

      Really, were you loking for something that didn’t look like a camera, that didn’t have knobs or had no size?

      • FinchBug

        Mike!

        • mikeswitz

          Yes?

          • FinchBug

            Irony?

            • mikeswitz

              Oh! Sorry

            • FinchBug

              You are funny.

    • Theodoros Fotometria

      They promised you nothing more than traditional way/ergonomics of setting exposure… All the rest is your mind creations and web posters idea of how this translates to each person individual mind… This is a digital camera, exactly like all other (with similar or different ergonomics) are… nothing more, nothing less.

      It’s also the basic model in the FX series of cameras and thus, it is trying to look more “respectable” than it would be if it was offered simply as a “stripped down” version…

      • FinchBug

        Did you read the dialogue above?

        • Theodoros Fotometria

          Obviously… here is what i’m replying at:

          “They promised something pure. Like water. A direct connection to a world of new. A tool to enlighten the inspiration, which is there in me like a sleeping volcano…”

          They promised you (or anybody else) nothing like that (as you say they did)…

          • FinchBug

            Here is what I reply at: “Obviously…” Obviously!

  • mr_optics

    One thing is disappointing and typical Nikon: This camera was made to fit and wedge into a certain model/price point, not be all that it can be and given the best performance and tech available. Why no 1/80000 shutter? Cause D700 already has this. Same thing for FPS etc…It is being driven back by other models.

    • stormwatch

      Why no 1/8000? Photo purists cameras as FM2 and FM3 all have 1/4000….they just followed the purists specification on this – only old recycled technology and no video….but for the price.

      • Pete Grady

        You don’t even know what the price is, LOL!!

        • stormwatch

          For 1299$ is’t….ok….but this is not gonna be cheap. :-)

          • mmp

            What part of “PURE PHOTOGRAPHY” is so hard to understand?

            • stormwatch

              Pure photography and “this” have very little in common. Or you claim that Nikons with video options are not pure photography? What is the difference please.

            • mmp

              Think about it that way: did any of the old slr cameras, (which Nikon is going for in design with the df) have video? Maybe video is a major function on a dslr for you – but there are thousand of photographers who will disagree with you in that point. And these are the photographers Nikon is obviously going for with that camera.

            • fred

              If you could download Nikon firmware to turn off video and it disappeared from the camera menu, with video button reassigned to user choice, how many would do it? I know a few that would.

              …but I wouldn’t.

            • FlightlessKakapo

              A Nikon with video is a mix of photography and videography, thus not ‘pure’. Basically marketing speak for ‘this camera does not have video’

            • FlightlessKakapo

              A Nikon with video is a mix of photography and videography, thus not ‘pure’. Basically marketing speak for ‘this camera does not have video’

            • Dpablo unfiltered

              Oh please, tell me what is “pure photography” I couldn’t find any and have been doing bath salts instead…

          • MMS

            Sounds like it will definitely be too expensive for you. Stick to mirrorless.

      • fred

        Yep, the old D1 had a 1/16,000th sec shutter speed.
        I haven’t seen any complaints about the 50% reduction in shutter speed to 1/8,000th sec!!

        • stormwatch

          D1 also had NTSC colour profile, they should add it back also on the DF – only retro counts :-))))))))))

    • Pete Grady

      So, you say they should just keep making every camera the same, with every possible feature? No option to have a different TYPE of camera that handles differently for photographers that want that? Nikon already has cameras like you’re talking about. From all the obvious success of the Fuji line of mirror less cameras it would appear that a camera with more basic functions is needed. Why shouldn’t Nikon address that need?

    • mmp

      Maybe you don’t get the whole idea of the Nikon DF. It’s about pure photography. There’s no need for high end fps and to be honest – how often do you use 1/8000?
      Plus I wouldn’t bother if there weren’t any AF at all – if only it was for a really nice sensor. This time it’s about slowing down – taking time for a picture. You get it?
      No? Probably you’re a sports-photographer. In that case go buy a fancy D5 with 20fps and 50mp and why not hundreds of focus-point… go get it!

    • The Other JM

      D700 may have 1/8000 (not 1/80000 by the way!), but it only has a base ISO of 200, so really the 1/4000 shutter speed is no more limiting for most people than 1/8000 on the D700.

  • stormwatch

    This camera with old specification is pure photography only by the sad fact that it looks outdated, has outdated specifications, old shutter knob and no video. I hope it will cost about 4299$.

    • Erik

      Remember earthquake + Fukushima and still they announce this. I think they have done a really good job given the circumstances.

      • stormwatch

        They surely did it with D800 and D4. But with D600 and “this”…..it’s ridiculous.

        • Pete Grady

          it’s ridiculous for you. Now go away and take your hate with you. What a troll.

          • FredBear

            I think it’s the storm in his head that he should be more worried about.

          • stormwatch

            There is no hate….there is just difference in reality and stupidity. If even some of the specifications speculated are true…it’s an old ugly obsolete bat with the Nikon tag on it. But on the contrary, if the specs are up, and it’s 8fps, 20mpix, gps, wi-fi, expeed 4, hybrid OVF/EVF, new AF and a video – camera with added “retro” style controls – it’s surely a HIT! Simple as that.

            • Erik

              I don’t want gps, wifi or video on a retro body.

            • stormwatch

              But you want a LCD screen, 1/8000 shutter and all above digital advantages over film :-)))

            • Erik

              Yes I want 1/8000s, I want better AF, and I want 8 fps. And I am willing to pay for it! Because then I could be satisfied with only *one* camera! And life would be so much easier!

            • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

              Yes :))

            • stormwatch

              Well, with this camera you surely don’t get it. :-)))))

            • Pete Grady

              Your opinion. I don’t want what you’re selling and from the comments here I can see that I’m not alone. I don’t need/want wifi, 20 MP, GPS, 8fps or a new AF. I want clean high ISO, manual controls, a good focusing screen so I can use MF lenses. I’m not sure that’s what Nikon has here, but that would be a camera that a LOT of photographers would buy. There are plenty of cameras with all the stuff you’re talking about and then some. Go buy one…they’re at the store. Besides that, the technology to produce what you’re talking about isn’t available in the form factor/size we’re looking at here.

            • Blight

              Hell, i dont even need the clean ISO. Bring back that sweet old grain for my BW photos… Tired of pp in silver efex

            • Greven

              Why don’t you just buy a video game? You’re not a photographer after all… ;-)

    • tap0

      why this hate…. are you associated with ‘stormfront’, you already have the word ‘storm’ in your alias…

      • stormwatch

        This is getting more and more ridiculous :-))). You want a retro camera for photo purists because you’re suddenly all in that retro style, and of course you want that 70’s retro feel in cameras too, it just happens that you know s…. about music from that period…..where’s the retro gone??!?

  • Erik

    Is there a risk that this camera does not have an aperture priority mode? I shoot in aperture priority 90% of the time.

    • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

      Zero chance.

    • stormwatch

      Aperture priority is not engraved in the spirit(ism) of photo purism, full manual is the way to go.

      • Erik

        Makes me worried.

    • tap0

      there will surely be an ‘A’ switch on the shutter speed dial.

    • rosshj

      I hope it is :/

  • stip80

    looks like a very well thought and made for purist camera. however, if it is in F-mount, its missing the attractiveness of mirrorless camera of using various lens mount.

    • http://z7photo.com/ Csaba

      Yeah, being able to use old lenses with clunky adapters (that may compromise IQ) without autofocus is soooo attractive compared to using one of the hundreds of available F-mount lenses produced in the last 50 years :D

      • FredBear

        70 Million (minus the Nikon 1 kit lenses they sold). But were they all ‘F mount’?
        I ask because I’ve only been using Nikon for 15 years now.

        • TheInconvenientRuth

          A small number were S-mount for the rangefinders or large format or medium format lenses, but worst case, you’d still have in excess of 60 million to chose from and many of the old ones are extremely good even by today’s standards.

        • http://z7photo.com/ Csaba

          Yes – basically, we are talking hundreds of different F-mount lenses, both from Nikon and third parties. The parent poster tried to present a limitation as an advantage. Presumably he was referring to the new Sony cameras, which only have 4 native lenses available (some not shipping yet).

          A slow 28-70 F/3.5-5.6 lens (the worst kit lens for FF at the moment), the overpriced 24-70 F/4 (same price as the 24-120 F/4 Nikkor with Nano coating), the slowish 35mm F/2.8 and the overpriced 50mm Zeiss.

          For everything else, you have to use an adapter, which looks clunky and makes the camera rather unwieldy. Not to mention the fact that as it turns out, many lenses have serious problems (colour shift near the corners, smearing) and of course there’s the lack of autofocus as well. Contrast that with well over a hundred native lenses available for the F-mount ;)

    • Nicholas

      Using various lens mount for f-mount???? If you have this kind of requirement, then this camera is not for you. There are millions of millions of f-mount glass from Nikon, zeiss, Voigt, tamron, sigma to choose.

  • Retro_stinks

    I see a dumbed-down in retro disguise

    It should be significcantly cheaper than D610. If it is sold as entry level FX body @ USD/€ 999,- it will be a success.

    * re-use 2 generations outdated sensor with whopping 16MP resolution
    * no video?; does it also mean no liveview?
    * extremely ugly body: neither small, nor elegant
    * fixed shutter-time dial instead of multi-purpose thumb-wheel
    * “retro version” 50/1.8 with function-less chrome deco ring
    * maybe some levers to use low-resolution, poorly coated pre-historic Nikkor glass

    Really great marketing campaign is getting too drawn out; starts to get boring. Cut the Scoitland roamer, show me the product. And the price.

    • tap0

      999 euros…. i don’t think it will be so cheap… though i would like it to be so cheap….

    • Pete Grady

      Stop by later and I’ll give you the rest of the pills you need to make sure.

  • Duncan Dimanche

    Shutter only 4000…… is this a video camera after all ? gnack gnack !! hahaha
    I just bought a canon 700D to fulfill all my video needs so if this one doesn’t have video, is a low light champion and is not too expensive (ummm let’s say less than 2500€ ) I would swap it with my D800…. no doubt !!!

    Hopefully MAgiclantern will add RAW video soon enough :)

    Cheers

  • Mark

    So it is basically D600 but with rough mashined body.

    • Erik

      Yep, D600 in F4 body. More or less.

      • TheInconvenientRuth

        More like D4 in F4 body

        • Erik

          With D600 AF and shutter speeds

    • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

      With top-end pro controls, and a D4 sensor.

      So basically, everything you said, but not.

  • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist
    • Erik

      Life time film cost is less than life time cost of digital bodies loosing value…

      • fred

        I’ve ‘lost’ $2500 in five years on my D300S (AU$3000 new), =$500 a year.
        I think I would have spent that on film and developing. So for me its break-even I think.

        A-ha…the ‘problem’ though is that my film camera would still be current (film ‘sensor’ still cutting edge) but my functioning Digital sensor is now ‘old hat’….
        I would? now spend $$$$ on D7100 or D400!/600/800 or sexy DF to ‘catch up’.

        More possible cost? yes.
        PS: I’ve had my one (and only) film camera for 25 years! and it still works.

    • R!

      This would’ve been perfect ,if Nikon would give us a perfect FE like body: small and light and simple ,maybe next time !!!!!

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