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Nikon Df camera size comparisons

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credit: Jeff Curtner

Some Nikon Df camera size comparisons (click on images for larger view):

Nikon D4 vs. Nikon D610 vs. Nikon Df vs. Sony a7:

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credit: dicahub

Nikon D610 vs. Nikon Df vs. Sony a7r:

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credit: Ethan

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  • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

    These are great comparisons.

    The smaller the better for my use case.

  • Killroy™

    I hope that Command Dial is actually an IR AF-assist light. Please don’t let it be a white-light one but IR.

    • MichaelS

      It looks quite like a command dial. It already appeared on the NIKON P7100. Check it out here:

      http://blog.iamnikon.com/en_GB/tag/p7100/

      • Killroy™

        I am sure you are right but I still WANT/WISH for an IR AF-assist light instead.

        • MichaelS

          I’m with you. The command dial looks terrible!

        • J. Dennis Thomas

          Correct me if I’m wrong, but an IR assist light wouldn’t work due to the fact that IR is invisible and the AF system needs contrast a contrasting light to assist focus.

          • Killroy™

            You are absolutely right. The IR-AF-assist is really a misnomer for a red-colored AF-assist light (like the ones used on Speedlight flashes) as opposed to the blinding white light used on most DSLRs.

            The red colored ones do not blind your subject in the dark and are far more accurate than the white light ones.

            • J. Dennis Thomas

              You could modify an SC-29 TTL cable. I’m not 100% sure but you could probably chop the actual cord off and use just the part that has the LED array.

              They’re only $75 new and much smaller than the alternative of using an SU-800.

            • Killroy™

              I think I read somewhere that the SC-29 AF-assist lamp does not work if there is not a flash attached.

            • J. Dennis Thomas

              I don’t think that’s true. I may be wrong, but I’m almost positive it works without a flash. Mine was lost long ago or I’d check it out for you.

              In any case, if you were good with schematics you could find the right connection an make a jumper to “force” it.

      • hexx

        that little bugger is puzzling isn’t it?

      • Alistair Maitland

        I actually don’t mind the look of it due to it’s functionality. without a grip, your index finger would rest vertically on the side of the body, making the command dial more ergonomic to have it positioned that way.

  • ereshoping

    Compared like this I prefer the look of the D610.
    (grabs coat and heads for door) :)

    • zensu

      ?? = Mirror Lock Up. That would really be retro!

  • Guest

    Good enough for me.

  • MichaelS

    Admin: Could the unknown device (with the ‘??’) be to move up the AI coupling lever in order to mount non-AI lenses, as you stated here:http://nikonrumors.com/2013/10/29/nikon-df-announcement-on-november-5th.aspx/#ixzz2jEIRt1QK

    • Pat Mann

      You just grab that with your fingernail and pull it up on my film cameras.

  • Jason

    The mystery button is the impact damage button.

    • ereshoping

      I was hoping it would be a ‘I AM..taken on a DF’ button

    • Df

      I’ll guess it’s the EVF.OVF release button.

      • Jarrett

        My money is on a timer button that has the option of being re-configured to something else. The D3200 and D5100 both have it in pretty much the same place

    • Theodoros Fotometria

      What is this “COMMAND DIAL”…? (the vertical wheel on the upper left of the camera next to the grip) Is it an aperture control wheel? If it is, “pure photography” is an ergonomics joke….

      • Ftn

        Aperture setting dial?

      • jec6613

        It’s the same thing as on the P7100, even seems to be out of the same parts bag. I’m quite fond of it, thank you.

        • Theodoros Fotometria

          Please enlighten me… I don’t have a P7100… Is this for setting the aperture or not? …and if it isn’t (thank God) where do you think aperture setting is… ADMIN, any suggestions?

          • phosgene

            Probably no need for it to control aperture with a dedicated ring and all. In the P-series cameras it is customizable.

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              You’ve confused me further… Suppose one uses a G lens and he has the camera on manual… He sets the shutter from the traditional dial on the right top of the camera …right? …where does he set the aperture from? …there is no dial on the front grip as there should be. ….G lenses have no aperture ring.
              ADMIN… your opinion?
              P.S. Once I was given a D5100 (first time use of a cheap DX) and I was humiliated because I was trying to find the aperture dial… I only came into digital in 2006 by adding an MFDB on my Contax 645 and my first DSLR was the Fuji S5pro on 2008…
              Sorry, I’m kind of a “cave man”…

            • phosgene

              Early rumors point to there being a dedicated aperture ring on the camera body. A pre-G lens would then have a redundant aperture ring (that you’d probably lock).

            • Marc W.

              I believe you’re right. that dial in front is like the Nikon DSLR’s sub-command dial to control aperture. That’s because there are no more aperture rings.

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              But if this is right… “pure photography” ergonomics is a joke …no? I mean what’s “pure photography” if you need triple the time to adjust things?
              I don’t use light meter at all (after 32 years in photography) even in the most difficult lighting conditions and I use Aperture priority only with overcast lighting and always with exposure compensation when I do (much less than 5% of my photography).
              I also don’t use AF at less than 35mm… I prefer to set the lens with the DOF button for the depth of the scene I want and don’t focus it at all…
              Is my photography less “pure” than Nikon thinks of “pure”?

            • KnockKnock

              Suppose you have a pre ‘G’ lens mounted. Rumors point to compatibility to way-back lenses. The preview videos show ‘D’ lenses. Use the aperture control on lens: pure photography.

              That front command dial would only be for modern AF-S ‘G’ lenses.

            • NikonDude

              No.

              Nikon is gearing this camera — in part — towards shooters like you.

      • El Aura

        Don’t blame Nikon, blame all those people who wanted a ‘digital FM-2′. This is a classic case of people not think through what they wish for.

        Cameras got bigger because they adjusted to our hands (and even the D800 is considered by some to not be tall enough to hold comfortably). The distance between the most tactile frontmost section of the thumb and the index finger has to be filled with camera, in order for the main controls to be just under your fingertips.

        • Theodoros Fotometria

          Well… is it (IYO) for setting the aperture when in manual mode?

      • Pat Mann

        Clearly based on position it’s the focus wheel from the Nikon rangefinders being brought back to remind us what Real Photography is all about. You will be able to select it as your zoom controller for video or your aperture dial as well.

      • Zograf

        The marked “command dial” is on the upper right of the camera (next to the grip.) Remember how you hold the camera not how you look at it in a picture

    • phil

      it’s the share on facebook button

      • Marc W.

        booooo

      • Kendall Owns Ownafide

        Oh that is too good :)

      • rhlpetrus

        It’s the direct to print button, to attract the Canonites, they have missed it lately. ;-)

  • Rafa R

    no price yet right? any estimates?

  • JohnH

    Well, the DF is supposed to be 3mm less tall than the D600/610- it actually looks slighter taller in the picture. I think this should be corrected as it will appear to be slightly smaller than in the comparison.

  • Hexagon Jr.

    Now imagine that with a vertical grip.

  • LeicaRocks:)

    I think the DF will be bigger than the A7, but i will not be talller (bulkier) than the D610

    • Jon McGuffin

      I think you’re right.

  • usa

    The mystery button is the Starbucks locator?

    • BroncoBro

      Don’t need a button for that. Just take your eye away from the viewfinder and there will be one somewhere in your filed of view. If not, you should at least see a Walgreens.

      • Marc W.

        Or if you’re in Boston, Starbucks AND a Dunkin

        • phosgene

          Yeah boston! Almost tripped over a dunkin on my way to work

          • BroncoBro

            lmao

    • canada

      no, dummy, it’s the Tim Hortons locator

      • Alberta

        Yea bro! Maple donuts pls

    • Simple

      Like new Kindle, new button provides “instant help” from Nikon Customer support. (or decline issues like oily sensor, off-focus sensor, AI fail)

      • John Baxter Photography

        derp derp..

    • Al

      It’s the sensor cleaning button.
      Nikon has dedicated a button to clean sensor on new models after the D6xx. :)

    • NMphoCH

      My money is on it turning out to be a pop-up flash button. Lame.

  • Guest

    The biggest shock about this camera is that Nikon managed stop this thing from leaking out all over the internet!

  • Nokin

    The biggest shock about this camera is that Nikon managed to stop this thing from leaking out all over the internet!

  • CK Dexter Haven

    I’m so tired of extended ‘teaser’ campaigns. After a couple of days, i’m just going to tune out. I don’t appreciate the manipulation. As someone in advertising and marketing, i ‘get’ it. Prolong the discussion. But, christ on a bike — at some point, it starts to work the other way…. Besides that, even though they do create prelim discussion, they don’t actually increase the buying audience…. Publicity for publicity’s sake.

    • JSturr

      I tried to vote this up about 100 times — but the button isn’t working very good as it goes backwards and forwards.

    • http://www.blueswanmedia.com/ BlueSwanMedia

      Just remember that this camera will never be better than it is right now….100% possibilities, 0% dissapointment.

      • broxibear

        That’s a great comment, you’re dead right…you’ll hear the collective sigh of disappointment echo through the various photo blogs and forums.
        Peter (admin) should use that as the headline when the last video is released on Nov. 4th.

      • John H

        I think this is one of the most brilliant comments I’ve ever read in a photog forum.

        • Falk Lumo

          And yet, it is century-old wisdom:

          “Anticipation is the greatest pleasure” or
          “Vorfreude ist die schönste Freude” in German.

      • BroncoBro

        I have a broken Rolex. It gives the correct time twice a day.

        • J. Dennis Thomas

          I have a broken Rolex too. It tells perfect time. Unfortunately I have to move the dials myself all day.

          • RMJ

            I just rotate my broken Rolex’s hour pointer the needed amount when I want to know the time. Thumb of rule is to rotate 1/12 of a full circle to clockwise if you want to know the time 60 minutes from now. Or, for example, if I checked the time last time 4 and half hours ago, I would rotate 9/24 of a full circle and it tells me the exact time right this moment. In 10 minutes you’ll just rotate 1/72 and again you’d get the correct time. Simple as that. You can’t go wrong.

            • J. Dennis Thomas

              I was thinking about just hiring someone to do it for me.

            • alpcns .

              Do you, by any chance, work for a certain software company located in Redmond? It sounds a lot like instructions for operating their “remarkable” software.

          • Dave

            Aaaaah-hah-hah-hah-ha-ha-ha, you made my day!

        • Sports

          None of you have Rolex’s.
          A Rolex doesn’t break :-)

      • http://www.davidkasman.com/ David Kasman

        A wedding day, a healthy baby, a high school graduate.

      • Erik

        Sounds like a variant of Schrödinger’s cat. As long as it has not been announced, all options are possible.

        • Steven Mackie

          If this tanks, Nikon is deader than Schrodinger’s cat

          • Global

            Anticipation will be better than Realization for at least 2/3rds of those following this camera. But realization will be sweet for someone. I’m not sure this affects Nikon negatively at all — because no one expected it.

            Simply put, if it works out and is LOWER cost, it might help make up for D600 debacle. But if it flops, it probably wont hurt Nikon (the old fashioned camera lovers will still be happy enough to squeak by).

            Only if there is a serious flaw or if its priced as high as a D4 would it hurt Nikon. It better be priced like a D600-D800 (or LOWER — like D400 cost). If its D4 cost, a lot of people are going to be not just put off, but pissed. You can’t have this massive of a mystery campaign and then cater the actual product to 1% of 1% of your buyers. That’d be ridiculous. This MUST be priced in between a D400 and D600. Or worst case D600 and D800. Or it will be sketchy.

            • Steven Mackie

              I’ve seen pricing $2000+ A la Sony A7

            • Shamael

              If Nikon wants to sell this, compare first the A7 features and this camera, and then conclude. Lower resolution, no video, no focus peaking possible with OVF, no way to use other mount lens than F, just a few adapters exist for some rare exotic mounts. That are the main disadvanteges, and if you want then to compete with Sony, this camera has to sell 1650$ with the lens, same as Sony A7 body alone. If you go higher, just turn around and go Sony. Sony is a trendsetter, and what keeps most away from this brand is it’s name, Sony, is sounds somewhat kiddy. As the Sony company was created once at the big Apple, it’s brand name came from that state, S tate, O f N ew Y ork.

              So, Nikon boys, is it not time to become Sonyboys. I do not think that at any time, this new Nikon camera will have what it needs to compete A7 series from Sony, Retro look is not all, it needs more to make a futuristic new trendsetter than just a 45 year old body you polish up with some electronics.

          • TheInConvenientRuth

            If this tanks, Nikon still has a D4, D800(e), D610, D7100, D5300, D3200 and a ton of lenses.
            If the A7(r) tanks….

            • colonel

              … Sony has the most successful csc series, the Nex. Plus the rx1, rx100, etc. not to mention the phone and play station business, etc.
              Nikon has, well, spectacle glass …..
              BTW the chance of the A7 tanking is the same as three solar eclipses in three days.

            • BobTB

              mFT is the most successful csc { maybe because they actually have a selection of good lenses}. Sony’s various business ventures are not exactly setting the market on fire. If it wasn’t for selling off assets all round the world they would still be deep in the red
              reality sucks :
              http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24753856

            • Calibrator

              “… Sony has the most successful csc series, the Nex.”

              That’s why they throw the name (“NEX”) away…

            • shamael

              The Name NEX was just a provocation, Nikon EXpired, and the series branded the same numbers as Nikon systems, 3, 5, 6, and 7 series. Samsung copied this and named his bodies NX, read Nex, so Sony is now on good foundations to take over it’s Alpha brand back and this does not means that NEX is death. NEX will remain in APS-C cameras and RX in powershot series. Maybe some day, you will have the opportunity to try a NEX or an A7, and You just will step down form Nikon. I had the opportunity because I sought it myself, I was not given it by others, and it made me fly away from Nikon at the speed of a soviet SU35 Flanker. Now, will this camera here bring me back, all depends on wat it offers, mainly in manual focusing possibilities, and then, at a price lower than 1600$ body and lend included. beyond that, Nikon will digg it’s grave. I still shoot NIkon, but they all take dust, only their lenses serve, on NEX with adapters, one of those features that this new Nikon retro body will not offer to us, and that is a key feature on A FF and NEX systems.

            • http://loewald.com/ Tonio Loewald

              It’s hard to tell whether Sony is currently making money on cameras or not, but the big picture is Sony makes money on music and insurance and loses money or breaks even on everything else, so the A7[r]‘s success makes little difference to Sony as a company, although it may impact Sony as a camera maker. Nikon’s camera division is now the lion’s share of its profit and revenue, so major setbacks here threaten survival.

            • carioca

              they are definately making money off of Nikon buying their sensors… d600, d800, d4, all of them are sony sensors… nikon has stopped developing their own pro sensor since d4

            • http://loewald.com/ Tonio Loewald

              I don’t know how you can know that Sony makes money selling sensors to Nikon (and Fujifilm and Pentax). It might just help reduce their losses. AMD has been selling CPUs to PC manufacturers for years, and in many of those years it lost money.

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              D4′s sensor is a Nikon sensor that no Sony or other makes a profit of…

          • http://loewald.com/ Tonio Loewald

            So, 51% dead?

        • Theodoros Fotometria

          Price…, price… & …price!

      • nikonzall

        That is right savor the moment, reality sucks.
        Nikon is like the old witch that makes herself look like a beautiful young woman that seduces you to bed and wants your baby, Oh the baby, like:
        The retarded V1,
        or The Oily D600,
        or The Blind left eye D800.
        It feels good only until you see the baby.
        Then It will rip your heart out..

        Yea, Reality sucks.

        I hope I am so wrong ….. I want this to be right….

        • groucher

          And my trousers are shrinking and there’s global cooling/warming and we’re all going to die and Breaking Bad has finished and shoelaces aren’t what they used to be and the weather is getting more extreme and the Chinese are going to rule the planet and there’s an asteroid strike imminent and I don’t know how to get 60 fps out of my V1 and somebody says that my D800 doesn’t focus correctly and my D600 is full of Duckhams blah blah blah. But there’s always hope

          • zoetmb

            Shoelaces aren’t like they used to be??? What??!!!!! OMG! What are we going to do? I’m now in a state of depression.

        • mikeswitz

          The D800 ripped your heart out? Really? You must have easy access to your heart.

          • glentomas123

            Where’s it on his shoulder.

            • mikeswitz

              No, I think he pulls it out of his ass. very easy access.

      • One More Thought

        Maybe it’s just me, but I like a real product, and I will be happier when this product is out. I don’t expect it to be perfect, or solve all of the world’s problems…I just expect it to have a great sensor with great IQ, high build quality, and a sort of retro look with some nice manual controls.

        With most of my tech, when I actually see something, it usually exceeds my expectations.

        • John

          Not sure why you are coming to a rumor site then…

    • Theodoros Fotometria

      Advertisement can’t sell a product, it can only create wonder on it and make people to approach it.
      Nikon is traditionally the most successful of “communicative” photo gear makers in Japan during the 60s-80s period, as such, they have many possible customers that complain on its decision of the 90s to follow Canon’s path… What they obviously are now trying to do, is take advantage of the “traditional design mania” that seems to move the market currently and regain their position as the leader… This needs more “noise” than the rest….
      P.S. Don’t forget that FM/FE/FM2/FE2/FM3 is by FAR the most successful camera body of all times and the most resistant one through time… It’s also the only one that “died” only after 2000…

      • ronin

        Those are different models

        I would be curious to know what was really the most successful camera body of all time. A Kodak 3a? Brownie? iPhone? Pentax K? Minolta SRT-101? Nikkormat FTn? Kodak Retina? Kodak disposeable 35mm?

        • jec6613

          Either Fuji or Kodak disposable 35 mm, I’m sure. But for re-loadable film cameras, the Smena 8m at over 21 million copies is almost certainly the one. If you’re thinking SLR, then think digital and modern: sales have skyrocketed in the digital age, so the T3i or D3100 or similar will almost certainly be it.

          • ronin

            Have sales really skyrocketed in the digital age?

            The Canon AE-1 sold over a million units. The Minolta SRT-101 was in production basically for about 10 years.

            • NoMeJodas

              “The Minolta SRT-101 was in production basically for about 10 years”

              Now that was an unbreakable camera. I used it for over 15 years without needing to service it once and then sold it for a good price.

            • T53

              The shutter finally broke on my SRT 101 after 16 years. It’s now a very ample paperweight in my office.

            • saywhatuwill

              Oh, don’t forget the Pentax K1000.

        • Pat Mann

          iPhone by orders of magnitude.
          Among DSLRs, the most common among people I know is the D40 – most who bought them have not moved up, and now just use their cell phones for snapshots.

        • saywhatuwill

          I think for SLR’s it was the Canon AE-1.

        • Vin

          I remember hearing it was Pentax K1000, then Nikon FM, FM2. For most manual 35mm camera body’s sold. Many schools and students purchased these. Some were required to before entering classes and school.

        • barney

          SLR: Zenit E (and its near identical siblings) – over 9 millions units sold

        • http://www.gordonmoat.com/ Gordon Moat

          One Time Use cameras, of which Kodak and AGFA led all other companies.

    • El Aura

      So, you prefer anonymous rumours instead of official ones? If all these images had made their way to Nikonrumors via Chinese forums, you would be thrilled but if Nikon is posting them it’s bad? After a couple of days of official rumours you tune out but after a couple of days of rumour posts at Nikonrumors, you still read all articles and post comments to them?

      The fact that you’ve read this latest article by Nikonrumors is evidence that you have not tuned out yet. I rather think what most people bothers is if the same news (or images) is repeated again and again without something new. In cinematic terms, the film is dragging on.

      • phosgene

        “After a couple of days of official rumours you tune out but after a couple of days of rumour posts at Nikonrumors, you still read all articles and post comments to them?”

        Head of nail, meet hammer.

    • Kneecon Wanker

      I agree,if you have a new and revolutionary product then you don’t need to hype it Ad nauseam……”build it and they will come”…if it’s decent,we will buy!……release it already…or shut the f..k up!

    • mikeswitz

      Let’s face it we come back because it is somewhat entertaining. the leaks and rumors, that is.
      In the same way congress is.

    • mikeswitz

      Let’s face it we come back because it is somewhat entertaining. the leaks and rumors, that is.
      In the same way congress is.

    • Andrew

      The teasers are actually working, the curiosity level goes down (or up depending on your perspective) progressively as we see more information on the camera. But remember that you do not just come often to see more revealing images of the camera, but with the hope that some important details such as its specification and price will be revealed.

      • NikonDude

        The price will be approximately $3000 with the kit lens.

        • Mars Observer

          Why do you keep saying that? Can you let us know your source?

          • NikonDude

            I could tell you. But then I’d have to kill you.

            And myself for spilling the beans. ;)

            But that’s going to be the approximate price point, yes.

            • http://www.mikekobal.com/blog mike kobal

              if true, this will disappoint many, including me

        • Narretz

          So far, there’s nothing in this camera that justifies this price. If true, Nikon has gone loco crazy.

          • MrSkelter

            The body justifies the price. Metal. Dials. Tough. That’s much, much more expensive to do than throwing in a faster chip or a different sensor. The body on this camera will cost more than the body of any camera under the D4 to produce.

            I want it to be this expensive. If it’s cheaper it’s just a retro toy. At this price the quality isn’t a lie.

            Look forward to people being ‘amazed’ at the body and then asking for a $2000 camera with the D800 sensor and the same spec.

            • hexx

              we don’t know the price yet, we don’t know the build quality yet, 5 days to go and we should learn. I don’t believe that it will have the build quality of old bodies, the only company which still makes solid bodies is Leica and companies making view cameras – and even M9 didn’t feel as solid as M6 does (not even mentioning shutter release button) – haven’t tried M240 though.
              I’m sure it will be a nice camera but somehow I don’t have hopes for it to be built like a tank – would love to be wrong.

            • MrSkelter

              Agreed but I’m predicting the price. Roughly $2500 body only. I’m saying that because I strongly believe this will have D4 build quality and more complexity due to the dials. You can’t build a body like this cheaply unless it’s utter junk.

              If you shoot D4 you’ll know that build quality is every bit as good as it ever was. It’s just modern cameras are much more complicated and more fragile. Everything on the D4 is metal including the card door. It’s nothing like the cheaper bodies. You could hammer nails with it. Even the Leica doesn’t have metal buttons and it’s a much simpler build.

              The weight of this suggests excellence. I don’t think it’ll be D4 class, but I see a metal body and dials, with plastic doors.

    • p Scharffenberg

      I think that these teasers are a great marketing scheme on Nikon’s part. You know, right after Sony makes their announcement about their FF offering and before you get a chance to plunk down some hard earned cash on one of theirs, Nikon lets you know that they are fixing to roll out one. Now, you have to wait and see what Nikon has to offer before you buy.

    • Global

      Agreed. The only thing they are doing is HURTING their potential D600/D800/D4 sales. If they are going to “tease” the announcement of an FX camera — which, lets face it… is ACTUALLY announcing a camera — they might as well reveal the specs & price, so that buyers can have a clear choice instead of waiting a damn month to pull the trigger.

      They can toy with us on the “image” of final look of the product to keep things mysterious — but the buying decision & specs should be clear (not for my sake, but for their own sales sake).

      I bet there are quite a few of you out there who just post poned buying a D600 or a D800 or even a D4 to seek EXACTLY what is being offered. Nikon lost a month’s worth of sales for at least 2 out of 3 of those cameras. Because only 1 out of 3 are likely to transfer to the new camera.

      • One More Thought

        This promo campaign is hot…hot…hot. Look at the number of comments on threads regarding this article. There is no shortage of interest.

        This is a very special niche camera; it does not compete against any existing Nikon model. I seriously doubt if the type of person to buy a D4 or D800 is holding off on purchasing due to this rumored camera. If they are then they don’t know what they are looking for.

        What is happening is that some people, and I know of a few, are holding off ordering a Sony A7/r to see what this camera holds for them.

        But beyond that, the key is that Nikon is creating a buzz again…they are generating interest and excitement in a new product. That is priceless.

        This is the way you launch a product, when the product is worthy.

        This camera will be a huge seller; sold out for months. There will be a long wait list.

        • Thom Hogan

          Yes, the teaser campaign is attracting attention, but it’s the same few hundred people commenting on each of these NR threads, so that’s what, 300 sales? ;~)

          I’ve been trying to figure out what the real reaction to this camera will be. I suspect that you’re right, but for the wrong reasons. It’s highly likely that the Df will be highly popular at the right price, but that’s going to come at a cost to Nikon, as well. The D600 was already floundering some because of Nikon’s poor handling of the shutter problems. I don’t see the Df and D610 combo announced a month apart helping that ;~).

          I suspect that this camera is going to resonate with what I call the “closet shooters.” Folks who’ve accumulated a bunch of Nikkors, many from the film days, but actually aren’t highly active DSLR shooters. They don’t like the complexity and just want their F-variant back. They’ll buy, they’ll fiddle for a while, and then the lenses and Df will go in the closet with their F100 or whatever other F they’ve got.

          I’ll remind folks that Nikon needs to sell more than 5m DX cameras this year to keep their head above water. The Df isn’t going to help that, either. Indeed, one wonders why you won’t do a DX and FX version of the Df simultaneously. Yes, I know that there are no wide primes for a DX version, but one single 16mm f/2.8 would fix that, and most of the shooters that value these retro cameras tend to think 28mm is wide.

          • Vin

            Great idea! a DX Df under $900, & a wide prime! It would also benefit the FX Df,

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              I really wouldn’t think this is a good idea… It would me much better if Nikon was to move into DX classic design, to do so with a mirrorless that would offer video too… “Mirror box APS-c” sales are shrinking all the time and there is nothing “classic” into APS-c image area related to photography… Video is much more relative to APS-c.

          • Theodoros Fotometria

            I count much less than 300… with nameless you never know…
            What price do you think that Nikon has in mind Thom?

          • Theodoros Fotometria

            I count much less than 300… with nameless you never know…
            What price do you think that Nikon has in mind Thom?

          • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

            Depending on how Nikon will price this camera – I think it will be very popular, maybe even more than the D800.

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              This is the most important aspect… I wonder what is your judgement on the matter… Mine, is that this will be an entry level to FX product, in order not to interfere with the rest of the line, to add more customers to Nikon than competition and to make FF even more affordable…

            • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

              My guess will be that it will be priced slightly under the D610 (under $2,000). Maybe $1,899 or $1,799 for body only. based on the Df specs I don’t see how it can be priced higher then the D610.

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              I think that if it is priced too close to D610, it may attract less customers than it can, since it would make sense to less people to move towards FF… because it will be still distant than the upper DX market.

              Also,it may look as a “marketing test” on what design customers prefer (between Df and D610)… If it is priced another 200 less than what you suggest (1600 for the body – 1700 with lens), it would be more attractive to APS-c owners, the gap from DX to FX will be better filled and D610 will look like a clearly baptised “better” camera from Nikon, which should protect it better from some cannibalising that will (inevitably) happen.

              It should also give less time to “mirror-box” competition to react on time… (with a classic or not design), which will be beneficial for all FX products…. I think this time they will “press” price as much as they can, to attract new customers… They seem to need them badly…

              Can you imagine the appreciation this will have to photography school students? …they may crash the FX market because of this camera, they may add a million customers in their annual FX sales.

            • http://www.davidkasman.com/ David Kasman

              I hope you are right, but I think it will be closer to $3,000. We’ll all know in a few more days. We’ll also know what this “hybrid” talk is about ;)

            • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

              If they make it $3000, it must have some super secret new feature that we do not know about. Or maybe some fancy metal frame.

            • NikonDude

              It will not be priced below $2000 … much closer to the D800, unfortunately.

            • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

              I agree, remember that Nikon is concentrating on cheap/consumer products.

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              I also think that this time, Nikon will “play around” alone for a while before there is other mirror box competition… May be this will lead to irreversible balance of the FF market in favour of Nikon, even if there would be a reply from competition at sometime…
              I believe this is true not only because of the timing, but also because the rest of competition doesn’t have Nikon’s tradition (or experience) in “classic bodies”, in other words, the customers of Canon and Sony/minolta (especially after AF) are not used to such a design approach… I expect many ex-Nikon users that have left the company for competition APS-c, to be back… perhaps even some from older competition FF…

            • Thom Hogan

              Two things.

              First, what’s the real pool of potential FX purchasers? While a lot of people keep trying to apply semiconductor pricing logic to FX sensors, it doesn’t work the way they think. Unlike CPUs, an FX sensor doesn’t drop in size, use less silicon, or waste less silicon. Yes, you can slowly get some production speed improvement and maybe increase the yield a bit more, but there will always be a considerable price differential involved, so it’s not like we’re going to have US$500 FX cameras. By my calculations, anything lower than the current D610 retail price means the camera maker is taking less profit margin. So, let’s assume that we can push FX down to US$1500 with best efforts at everything. What’s the total potential pool of US$1500+ camera body purchasers? Remember, Nikon needs to sell 7m DSLRs a year to show any growth. I worry that this pool is relatively small, as in the 2-3m units a year (that’s across Canon, Nikon, and Sony). A new successful camera tends to take sales away from other products in the pool.

              Second, if the Df were to become the best selling FX camera, what would that say to Nikon? That all that iteration and complexity was a mistake? I suspect that Nikon is setting themselves up for one of those damned if you damned if you don’t scenarios. It really depends upon how much they’ve taken out of the D610 to create the Df. We know video is gone. No big loss considering how they implemented video on the D600 compared to the D800. But what else did they take out? Timelapse? HDR? Auto ISO? GPS support? What? The more they leave in and the more it becomes D610 versus Df. The more they take out, the more that many folk would really want a D610. It’s a tricky design space.

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              You really overlook to some factors Thom…
              1. The 1.5x price factor from DX to FX… this means that a similar specification/build FX can’t be more than 50% price raise than the respective DX… (D300-D700, D7xxx-D6xx), it also means that D600 was (and D610 is) overpriced…
              2. FF sensors have dropped considerably in price with the huge production increase that FF market has… (the Sony 24mp sensor is much more than 100K units per month) something similar will now happen with Nikon’s own 16mp now with the Df…
              3. There is (was) room to be filled between the upper DX and lower FX… Some were expecting foolishly a D400 (DX) at that range with “mirror box APS-c” market shrinking all the time and FF market boosting… it was inevitable that this gap was going to be filled with an FX model, that would sell 10x (at least) of any DX similarly priced.
              4. The D610 announcement… it meant that the camera (given that it had bad reputation) was in danger to be cannibalised by a cheaper product… (more expensive wouldn’t affect it).
              5. No sensible maker would price a third product in between 2 other of his products that are close enough (D6xx-D8xx)… Such a foolish action would damage all three products since it would lead in a difficult to predict balance of sales between them and it would add nothing to the firm on additional sales.

              I hate to say “I told you so” (for the DX D400 thing…) …but here we are.

            • Thom Hogan

              I doubt I overlook the factors you claim I overlook.

              1. There isn’t a constant 1.5x DX-to-FX price factor. The D300 was US$1800 at announce, the D700 was US$3000. Not 1.5x. The D7100 was US$1200 at announce, the D600 was US$2100. So 1.7x and 1.75x if you want a rule of thumb number. Over time, the number will change. That’s because of the ratio of the DX/FX sensor prices. While they factor downwards about the same, as they become less of the total parts cost of the overall body, the ratio would change. One interesting factor is that I believe the FX sensors are all fabbed in Japan, and the devaluation of the yen is also having an impact on the prices we see outside Japan.

              2. Define “huge.” I’ve seen them decline about 33% in six years, and about 15% in the last two. But DX sensors have also declined a similar amount. As I’ve written, the total FF/FX sensor market is less than 3m units this year. The APS/DX sensor is nearing 15m units. Units/month isn’t actually the factor that changes price. FX is still using the same amount of silicon, still wasting the same amount of the wafer, still needing more time on the fab. Sony’s price aggression on the A7 (and for that matter, on previous attempts to win full frame market) has everyone being a little on the aggressive side right now. But if Sony can’t distort the market share numbers with that, we’re going to see Canon and Nikon get less aggressive, I think.

              3. It’s not so much that there’s room between DX and FX. It’s that there’s a need to complete DX and offer a true top end to it. Nikon’s biggest mistake has been to neglect DX other than to iterate the consumer bodies incrementally.
              4. Have no idea what you mean here.

              5. You mean, like a D5300 between the D3200 and D7100? Or worse still, ending up with a D3200 between a D3100 and a D5200? Or Sony with two different forms of NEX now and four models closely spaced? Frankly, I don’t see any of the camera makers doing a good job of rationalizing their product lines. We have a lot of randomness and then some blatant attempts to artificially create an entrant between others (why is the D5xxx the only camera with a pivoting LCD in Nikon’s lineup?).

          • Spy Black

            Seems to me Nikon is trying to kill the DX market. In Germany they’re focusing on FX only. If you look at the recent line-up, bodies and lenses, the major attention has gone to FX. I don’t think Nikon ever really wanted to do DX in the first place, they simply had no choice. Now that they’re settled in nicely into FX it looks like they just want to forget it ever existed, as least in the DSLR line.

            • Thom Hogan

              If Nikon is trying to kill the DX market, then Nikon is trying to kill Nikon. People are reading too much into all this FX action, as I’ve written on my site. The more FX Nikon does sell, the more they get a higher average sales price, which they absolutely need with the collapse of the compact market.

              However, note that of the 7m or so DSLRs Nikon wants to sell, I’d be surprised if more than 1m of them are FX. FX prices are high enough that you get elasticity of demand impacts. Even if Nikon could sell a US$1200 FX body (and they can’t without taking a huge hit on profits), they would still need DX.

              This brings me to the D400: even with a US$2000 FX body Nikon still needs a US$1800 D400 that’s pro configured. For many of the users of a D300, a D600 body isn’t going to cut it.

            • Spy Black

              Yeah, I dunno. Let’s see what the price of this new thing will be. Seems to me they want to deliver FX at all the price ranges they deliver DX now. Time will tell.

            • Thom Hogan

              >Deliver FX at all the price ranges they deliver DX now.

              You mean US$499 though US$1200 (and should be US$1800 if they’d just make the dam…you know what I’m going to write ;~)?

              I don’t see how Nikon or anyone else can make low cost FX. In fact, if I thought that Nikon was going to try that and I was a competitor wanting to win market share, I’d jump on APS/DX, do it right, and have pricing advantage on Nikon.

              Compact cars don’t sell for US$12,000 with V8 engines.

              Moreover, look how many times Nikon has written or the executives have talked about “cost control” in their recent statements. Plugging FX sensors into the D3200 through D7100 is the opposite of cost control.

              I really don’t know why Nikon can’t get it into their head that they’ve screwed up royally and need to fix DX as soon as humanly possible. They can do all the FX stuff they want to, including selling five different models that don’t have a lot in common, but their survival is going to be dependent upon US$400-1000 cameras and those are going to be DX. And to make sure that DX users know they have a future should they like what they’ve got, they need a pro D400 sitting up top of that lineup, even if it price overlaps with something FX, and they need a solid pro lens lineup, too.

              In the time Nikon has been sitting on their rear end with DX lenses: Olympus and Panasonic have built a broad spectrum of m4/3 lenses and siphoned off a few DX purchasers; Fujfilm has built way more APS/DX primes than Nikon ever contemplated in a very short period of time and siphoned off a few DX purchasers; Sony has built more APS/DX primes than Nikon ever contemplated in a very short period of time and siphoned off a few DX purchasers. Heck, Nikon themselves have now built more CX wide angle primes than DX primes! Uh, hello? Anyone home? (Funny thing: as I was writing this paragraph I got an email. Pertinent quote: “now I am Nikon-less with a Fujifilm 23mm f/1.4 and an X-E1 kit instead…” I get a number of these “I switched” emails every day.)

              True, as a DX user I can choose from 18-55, 18-70, 18-105, 18-135, 18-140, 18-200, and 18-300 lenses, all designed by some sort of Super Sentai Super Zoomer Design Core. That’s targeting a single type of customer and inundating them with more overlapping options than they would really want to pick from. Moreover, it’s a lower convenience customer target, and Nikon’s biggest long-term success has been attracting and holding higher end enthusiast customers.

            • Spy Black

              “I don’t see how Nikon or anyone else can make low cost FX.”

              You can’t be serious. How many cheap 35mm SLRs existed before the digital age? It’s only a matter of time. Mass production, my friend. I’m all for killing the DX market, at least in DSLRs. Nobody ever wanted it in the first place, it was a necessary evil. It just took a life of it’s own out of necessity. All those FX sensors are gonna trickle-down, and you’re gonna see an affordable plastic “D3200FX”. You’ll see.

            • Thom Hogan

              Compact film cameras didn’t have a US$300 part in them ;~).

              I’ll repeat: you can see exactly the cost differential between DX and FX by looking at the D7100 and D610: they are essentially the same cameras with different sensors. So add US$800 to the cost of a D3200 ;~).

            • Spy Black

              I’m wasn’t talking about compact film cameras. I’m talking cheap 35mm film SLRs. There were plenty to go around. It’ll happen again in FX DSLRs, or mirrorless. No doubt.

            • Thom Hogan

              Still the same answer.

              Answer me this: let’s say that your parts cost are these:

              * sensor US$300
              * LCDs/VF US$50
              * digital board US$200
              * body, controls US$50
              * assembly US$30

              How much are you going to sell that camera AT RETAIL for? Be specific.

            • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

              $1,260

            • Thom Hogan

              The parts list cost you US$630. You doubled that. Let’s see how you did:

              US$1260 retail price
              US$1008 dealer price
              US$907 subsidiary price
              US$20 various shipping/handling/accounting costs

              Actual GPM: 29%
              Typical consumer electronics GPM target: 45% or higher (remember, we haven’t paid for GS&A costs, or any marketing costs, warehousing costs, etc.).

              So, no, I don’t think we’ll see that kind of price for an FX camera from anyone who isn’t desperate for market share, and even then it would be financial suicide, I think. Maybe US$1800, maybe a little less than that if you’re aggressive. And voila, we’re at the Sony full frame price.

            • Spy Black

              You’re listing present-day numbers. How much did the first color TVs cost? Or the first cell phones? Computers and Laptops? This is the first wave of FX cameras. It will happen.

            • Thom Hogan

              I have no doubt that we’ll see lots of full frame cameras in the future. As the consumers leave the market, it leaves the enthusiasts as the best target, just as happened in film.

              But FX sensors need a breakthrough to get a lot of price drop (and remember, that would imply that DX sensors get the same level of drop). As they are presently made, there are some real limits as to how far you can push down the price.

              And there’s another problem: market size. Big screen TV sales are around 250m units/year. Full frame sensors, maybe 2m/year at the moment. The far bigger market changes the R&D investment, and the results are differences in process. For example, if you look at the technologies driving large screens for the past two decades, you see clear indicators of different process (CRT -> projector -> plasma -> LCD) driving the market and lowering prices. Ironically, some of the LCD surge and cost lowering comes about from Fujifilm repurposing “film”. The ability to roll large sheets of material versus the way the older technologies were done was one of the things that started the cost wars in large screen TVs and made the market drive towards commodity pricing.

              What’s the full frame sensor technology that’s going to do that? Much of the things that have been done and I know are in the works are all incremental things that change yield. Image sensors aren’t the same as CPUs: they don’t gain from Moore’s Law (smaller transistor sizes mean either smaller chips that cost less to make, or more capability on the chip, or both).

              At the current rate of change full frame sensors will be about 3-4x the price of DX in a few years, and that’s be about as far as you can theoretically go without there being a huge process change in making them.

              Thus, until I hear that we’ve got such a change coming, I’ll stick by what I’ve been writing: full frame cameras will slowly drift down in price, but so will DX cameras.

            • Spy Black

              “full frame cameras will slowly drift down in price, but so will DX cameras.”

              Sure, but they’ll come a time when it won’t be feasable to make DX DSLRs once the price of FX sensors gets down far enough. They’ll be relegated to P&S and mirrorless.

            • Thom Hogan

              I’m not 100% convinced that’s true. Let’s just work with the one pair we have for a moment:

              * D7100, D610

              Right now the retail prices are something like:

              * US$1200, US$2000

              Let’s drop sensor prices by 50%:

              * US$1100, US$1600

              Could Nikon squeeze some more on the D7100 and get to US$1000? Probably. Moreover, there’s the kit lens problem to consider, too. The 24-85mm is much more expensive than the 18-55mm. Most of the buying is in the US$500-1000 range WITH a lens.

              FX sensor prices have to come down way more than I think they will in the coming few years in order to overcome the elasticity of demand issues that the price differential produces.

              Will FX prices continue to drift downward? Yes. Will they drift downward enough that DX has to go away? Absolutely not. The number 1 selling DSLR in July of THIS year in the US was the Nikon D3100 ;~).

            • Spy Black

              I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

        • zoetmb

          It depends on what this camera turns out to be. It is just a modern digital with a retro looking body? Is it a digital camera that is largely manual like the old Nikon F line was? (apparently not, since there’s an AF control).
          Is it a digital camera in which all the modern (but confusing) menu functions have been removed?
          Or is it simply a small-body DSLR with reduced functionality and no video in a retro look?

          From my perspective, if they were able to accomplish a small body, lightweight F-mount DSLR with pro controls, it didn’t need to be retro. I played with the Sony A7/A7r last week at the NYC PhotoExpo and really enjoyed the small, light body (but was concerned about the slow focus and frame rates, although I rarely shoot at high frame rates). If Nikon was able to accomplish the same thing in a DSLR and they launch a line of smaller, lighter lenses to go with it, I’m definitely in (although since acquiring the D800, I have kind of enjoyed shooting some video). I’d sell my D800. I’m really tired of lugging around a 30 pound camera bag.

          But having said that, I’m having trouble sensing who this camera is really for because if you look at any niche, while there’s much positive, there are also major negatives. So will it truly satisfy anyone?

          • Alistair Maitland

            I think it’s going to satisfy a lot of people. It’s not going to be a pro camera. It will slap Sony, Fuji and Olympus in the face. I would love to have a Fuji x100s or X-Pro1 for all but the autofocus and the need to buy a bunch of lenses. Give me a compact full-frame Nikon that can use all my lenses, or better yet, a new line of smaller lenses/primes, and I’m in. I can even see a DX cam/lenses coming out.

            I agree with everything you said about the D800: I use it for studio/video but more often then not, I don’t need huge files and a buffer that can’t handle them. My D700 is my walkaround/travel cam now. I like it for everything the D800 is not except it’s size and weight. So yeah, the Df sounds pretty damn good to me.

      • p Scharffenberg

        Ahhhh … But, those that are postponing buying a Nikon FF will be buying a Nikon FF. And, then are those that are postponing buying Sony A7/A7R may be buying the DF instead. Nikon has done a good job of getting our minds off the A7 series cameras.

        • Theodoros Fotometria

          A7 is mirrorless with EVF… Df is mirror box with pentaprism…
          You better decide if you want a Ferrari or a Rolls…

          The only common with A7 & Df is the word “camera”… same as with Ferrari and Rolls is the word “car”…

      • zoetmb

        Disagree. You hurt sales if you do this over a period of six months. You don’t hurt sales when you do this over a period of two weeks. People don’t make purchasing decisions at the level of a D600/D800/D4 in such a short time period. And if they didn’t preview it and people did go out and buy another body, then there’d be complaints of “why didn’t Nikon tell me this was coming..I would have waited.”

        Sony just showed the A7 and A7r at the New York Photo Expo and there’s been lots of PR on those. But you can’t actually buy one yet (although you can preorder them). Are they losing sales of their other models because of it?

        Maybe Nikon figures that if one wanted a D600/D800/D4, they would have bought one already and what they’re really competing against with this new body is the competition. And by announcing now, they’re deferring people from buying the competition.

        Where I will criticize Nikon is that they should have announced at the PhotoExpo show last week. Had they, and this body is anything like people imagine it is, they would have been the star of the show. There wasn’t even a mention…not even a piece of paper with the body in shadow. That was a big mistake, IMO.

        Besides, with today’s short product cycles, there’s always something new on the horizon. While body cycles are still longer than computer/Pad/phone cycles, they’re getting shorter all the time. The original Nikon F series models were each around for about ten years.

      • Theodoros Fotometria

        This is the most insane marketing approach I’ve ever seen… You put in a way that this product’s possible customers are restricted to people that would buy any of the current Nikon FF products anyway… No company does that… it’s suicidal!
        Ever crossed your mind that this may be the new entry level to the FX line of products and thus Nikon will see its total FX sales to boost?
        Ever crossed your mind that there is no mirror box competition and there isn’t any in the horizon…?
        Why do you think the price is not announced but they communicate “pure photography”?

        It’s because the price will be a last minute surprise, …that’s why!

        Expect this at the 1600 range and tell us your “marketing failure” BS after price is announced and the lines outside the stores to order one!
        They will even sell more of the rest of the FX line until availability settles!
        If you are good with marketing, you don’t create much wonder with your upper products… you do it with your basic ones… and that is what advertisement is all about, …TO CREATE WONDER!

    • bikemore

      In the time Nikon has spent with the teaser campaign they could have designed a D400. Just show us the camera already. My pricing guess, if the Coolpix A is any indication, is $2600. Body only.

      • grant torres

        Nikon is actually doing that and not an ad agency? They used their engineers, managers, and production people?Wow! They are part successful already since they created quite a stir!

      • Celtic

        $2200 with lens, and that is also a guess…

    • One More Thought

      The marketing campaign must be working; even the critics are noticing and commenting.

      What is the alternative? No buzz, no excitement, no anticipation? Just a boring launch that no one notices? That’s far worse.

      Of course expectation are set sky high. They were for the iPhone, the iPad, etc, and that worked out pretty well.

      While some will be disappointed, these people would have been disappointed no matter what and would not have purchased.

      Sure this is hype, but hype works and sells products. The net effect is positive to sales.

    • imageWIS

      If you do take pictures of christ on a bike, make sure it’s with a Nikon.

  • Jesus

    an owner of an P7100 could measure the frontdial diameter…

  • Mars Observer

    Nice size comparison – exactly what I was looking for. Thank you!
    (now final piece of info is just the price)

    • Kendall Owns Ownafide

      Wait you don’t want to know what Nikon is going to limit the ISO speed to? Back in the 70s when FMs were newly retro, film was typically limited to 1600 speed so to keep it truly “real” Nikon will likely be limiting it to somewhere around that. If you want more speed you will have to use an attachable hand crank. Also it is yet to be determined how you load the sensor into the body when you want to shoot a new roll of sensor (careful with the finger prints).

      • Mars Observer

        :)

        With the D4-alike sensor, I’m gonna go with 12800

        • Kendall Owns Ownafide

          Is that a serial number or something? Who ever heard of such a high speed as that? My pet rock certainly never has.

    • NikonDude

      Approximately $3000 with the kit lens.

      • Mars Observer

        Can’t be that much.

        • NikonDude

          It is.

          • DTB

            That would be a mistake…but, it wouldn’t surprise me.

  • broxibear

    DOF ?…does anyone actually use that thing on their camera, lol ?
    I’ve been taking photographs since I was 12 from a Praktika mtl3 through various cameras and manufacturers to my current D3, I worked as a freelance assistant for well known portrait/fetish/music photographers…I’ve never seen anyone use the Depth of field preview button…why is it there, lol ?

    • jec6613

      On the older ground glass screens, I’ve used it sometimes, especially when I’m making sure that something is going to be in focus. Also, for stop-down metering.

    • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

      Oh, I use it pretty often.

    • Aldo

      The guy who shot the AW1 a few posts back doesn’t use it either…

      • skaarj

        LMAO

    • Eric Duminil

      As long as you can program it as Function2…

    • phil

      dof preview… oh, you mean the modeling light button ?

    • phosgene

      I think it’s function has died with the advent of the LCD screen. So much easier to get a feel for what you’re seeing at a given aperture when you can just look at the final image. Storage isn’t an issue, so why not chimp on it.

      Bring it on haters – the LCD massively improved modern photography.

      • Jon Porter

        The viewfinder is corrected for my vision. The LCD screen isn’t.

    • dstm

      stop-down metering for pre AI lenses?

    • Jet

      Actually I use it every once in a while, but like most recent Nikon models you can re-assign this for something else as I did since I don’t use it as much!

    • BroncoBro

      Yeah, pretty hard to use other than broad daylight or the inside of a nuclear reactor. But, I do use mine from time to time.

    • J. Dennis Thomas

      I actually use it all the time. It helps me immensely at concerts when I’m trying to get more than one band member in focus, but I still need to keep a wide enough aperture to keep a good exposure. It’s much quicker than shooting a test shot and chimping to check your DoF.

    • Jogoe

      I use the DOF previewer once in awhile. If it were gone, I probably wouldn’t miss it because I have a DOF calculator on my phone. It’s far more useful as another function button. I wonder how that’s going to work on the Df. Is it going to be the traditional mechanical DOF button or an assignable fn button?

    • Erik

      +1 for checking DOF, especially with manual focus lenses

    • http://www.paddlinglight.com Bryan Hansel

      I use it all the time. Mainly for aligning split ND grads for landscape photography.

    • Mars Observer

      I use it all the time… I re-assigned it to be the Live View button.

    • MrSkelter

      You worked for Andrew Blake right?

  • jec6613

    Anybody else think that the mystery button could be an EVF/OVF or MLU button? (which I suppose in this case would be functionally the same). It’s in the right spot for a MLU.

  • intergalactic_turkey

    Photographer eject button.

  • Don Hogfan

    A7r looks better every day.

  • BroncoBro

    Why is everyone so hung up about this camera being small? Where has that been mentioned in any of Peter’s preview specs?

    • J. Dennis Thomas

      Haven’t you heard? Small is “in” this season. People won’t be happy until they make a full-frame camera the size of a Russian spy camera from the Cold War era.

    • Erik

      Because everybody will make the decision to order the Sony A7/A7R or the Nikon DF

      • BroncoBro

        It would seem that there are far more important reasons to select one or the other camera than size. As far as what we know so far about this Nikon, the Sony is a VERY different camera.

        • J. Dennis Thomas

          I’m still trying to figure out why people have such a boner for the A7. I mean even if it has a full-frame sensor it’s still pretty much a big ol’ point and shoot.

          • BroncoBro

            Yeah, I’ve only looked at it a little, but that’s my initial impression. The lens situation with it is such a non starter for me that I’m not spending any time considering it further. Ditto for the Fuji X-Pro 1. Until they get some fast portrait glass and the super-wide zoom for that camera it’s not on my list. I DO like it, though, and might consider it if this Df doesn’t pan out. I’m done with these fly-by-wire cameras (I use D300s’). The basic controls aren’t intuitive enough for me.

            • J. Dennis Thomas

              Yeah a 28-70 3.5-5.6? No thanks.

              I talked myself into that XPro-1 twice. Great concept bad implementation.

          • Marc W.

            With a “huge” lens. So it’s no longer compact.

            • J. Dennis Thomas

              A huge slow lens. Really, what’s the attraction?

      • BroncoBro

        You can take me off your list of “everybody”.

        • Marc W.

          Don’t you love it when people talk for all of us.

          • Erik

            Sorry. *Many* buyers will compare the A7/A7R with the Nikon DF.

          • Erik

            Sorry. *Many* buyers will compare the A7/A7R with the Nikon DF.

      • rhlpetrus

        The A7 isvactually too small (width) for stable usevwith any FF zoom. Im liking the way this camera is.

    • ronin

      You see, Bronco. It was all important that it be compact.

      Now that it’s not compact, it’s no longer important.

      $1400 for a decontented D610. There will now be no D400.

      • BroncoBro

        But it’s NOT a “decontented” D610. It looks like it won’t be like any other DSLR, of any brand. The tease is that it will offer traditional knobs and dials for operating the camera, an option that is sorely needed because there are a lot of photographers who would like to operate that way instead of all the fly-by-wire approximations we have to live with now.

        • Jon McGuffin

          I completely agree with this. Analog style has a place and it works so well.

        • http://www.davidkasman.com/ David Kasman

          I agree. The traditional knobs and dials are more direct.

        • http://www.davidkasman.com/ David Kasman

          I agree. The traditional knobs and dials are more direct.

        • ronin

          I’m betting those knobs and dials are definitely fly-by-wire, and thus are pretentious.

          Unless the shutter speed dial directly engages with shutter clockwork; unless the aperture is manually set at the lens, stopping down only when the shutter is released; unless the self-timer engages an extra escapement mechanism.

          • Pat Mann

            Pure Photographers use a separate clockwork self-timer screwed over the bezel around the shutter release button.

          • BroncoBro

            Isn’t that what many here are hoping for? Personally I don’t care if the shutter speed dial is connect to the ham bone, as long as I can adjust it like I used to. Many/most of my legacy glass has an aperture ring. It’s always been the best way to change stops…I don’t see why that’s a difficulty to go back to. As for a self timer, I don’t care that much, I use it only occasionally.

          • MrSkelter

            Fly by wire isn’t pretentious.

            The advantage of knobs and dials is direct control, not direct connection.

  • Erik

    Any size comparison to a FM3A?

    • MD

      I just made a quick comparison for myself :)

      • Erik

        Thanks a lot! It’s actually a bit clumsy…

        • MD

          :) I did it in 2 min, but in terms of size I think it’s accurate…

          • Erik

            To be clear, not your picture, the DF

      • dav

        Actually it’s quite wrong..just look at the size of the two 50mm lenses…

        • MD

          I think it’s quite accurate…I’ve scaled the cameras based on the hot shoe, not the lenses ;)

          • dav

            well then it’s a big camera…:)

            • MD

              Yep :(…I would have loved something similar to the FM3A…

          • http://Flickr.com/inthemist InTheMist

            Thanks MD. I trust the hot shoe method more than guessing about filter sizes and focal lengths used to shoot.

        • Marc W.

          Doesn’t the new 1.8G have a 58mm filter thread and that non AF, AI-S les on the 2nd camera (Fm?) is a smaller 52mm filter thread lens.

          Check out the specs here:
          http://www.photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/specs.html#50slow

          50mm 1.4 AI-S width: 63mm
          50mm 1.8G AF-S width: 72mm

      • Mars Observer

        Please, please, please add a D700?? :D

        • MD

          I just did :)…see above.

      • stubble

        I think this size comparison is off. I know that you are trying to keep the hotshoes the same size, but the strap lug nuts and lens release button look larger on the Df than on the FM3a. Perhaps this is because the Df seems to be shot close up with a wide-angle lens, since the 50mm lens partly covers the body. The FM3a seems to be shot at a greater distance with a normal or tele lens, because its 50mm lens does not mask the body at all. I think the Df will actually be closer in size to the FM than to the d600: “it’s in my hands again.”

  • I’m Picky

    I don’t think parts of the d610 can be used with the d4 sensor as the electronic architecture is completely different !

  • Matthew Saville Baldon

    Has anybody else noticed that they’re showing what appears to be a 50mm f/1.8 G lens, but with the classic aluminum ring at the rear such as on AIS lenses? Are we possibly seeing an AF lens that is styled retro? Either they’re carefully mixing and maching which lenses they use in the videos, or they’re trying to hint that there’s something really cool and retro coming out in the lens department as well.

    I think this makes a lot of sense because the rumors of a new 50 1.8 G are kinda weird considering how perfect the current 50 1.8 G already is. It just can’t get much sharper, not without raising the price, and at that point you might as well get the 50 1.4…

    All in all, I’m VERY excited!!!!

    • KnightPhoto

      I still wonder if this new 50mm f/1.8 is some kind of mash-up between an E (electronic) Aperture control and the silver mounting ring of AI/AIS.

      Nikon needs to move all Nikkors over to electronic aperture and I’m not sure what’s taking them so long to do so. E.g. the recent 80-400, 58mm, and you name it – why aren’t they all E lenses?
      (the 3 Nikon PC-E lenses and the new 800G are all E lenses already)

  • aarif

    Size wise just right but how will it perform ? Must say really looks sexy too

    • toby

      Wong “Nikon” font – atleast I hope so. It should be non italics

      • Kim

        I know it’s ridiculous, but I really do care a lot about that font. And like you, I hope it’s the non-italicized. And engraved, not just printed on. The italics font first showed up on the F4 viewfinder, while the Df design seems to refer to the F3/FM2 era.

      • FredBear

        It’s in Chinese?

    • Mars Observer

      The rumoured width of 66.5mm seems a little think/blocky to me (based on the other proportions)… unless it had a deep grip.

      • Mars Observer

        ‘thick/blocky’

    • TheInConvenientRuth

      Shutter speed dial must be taller, like the F3P or F4 for ‘blind’ adjustments…

  • I’m picky

    So… I’m a Flag… I change like the wind..
    I’m working with a 5d mkII Magic lantern mod for my videos, a nikon d800 for photos projects… and a fuji x100s is always in my pocket…
    I’m very happy with these 3 cams… but I can’t help being attracted by this Df.
    I see the portability of an x-pro 1 with the low light capabilities of a D4 !
    I think whatever nikon did with the specs (video or not, af points, metering, etc…) this cam could be a real succes ! (if not a game changer)
    Lots of people could be disappointed by this one, included me… but(I want to) remember that it is presented as a photography tool^^

  • Paul

    as I d600 user, if this is about the same size, what is the appeal beyond retro look? I am very curious. My first thought was that this would be a compact FX, but it looks pretty hefty. Maybe the shutter click is epic?

    • lancecouzens

      i’m guessing a lot of the appeal is for folks that would like a camera designed for manual focusing, to be used with lenses that were likewise intended for manual focusing. that it will still perform as an autofocus body, i’m guessing, is the reason for the ‘fusion/hybrid’ terminology.

      • Lamar Lamb

        AI lenses work on many of the new Nikon digital bodies, D600, 610, 700, 800, 4, 3,3x,300, 200, etc. The only lenses that won’t mount are the pre-AI because they don’t have the AI cutout and will jam the AI follower ring and possibly damage if mounted. For most of those metering should work as well, at least center weighted, I know on my D300 you can get matrix as well but I never use matrix. It has been mentioned before the difference with this DF is that it will most likely have a flip out AI follower as the FE, FM, and F4 do. you would then use stop down metering with your pre-AI lens because the camera has no way of knowing the max or current aperture that is set on the lens.

        • lancecouzens

          I’ve never gotten into c41 at-home dev mostly because I don’t shoot in high enough volume… I wouldn’t want to waste the chemicals on just two or three rolls and it’d tale me a while to build up a backlog of,say, ten rolls.

          Re manual focus: I know it’s possible on modern bodies (I use ai-s lenses on a d700), but I can’t say it’s much fun. I’m hoping the df has a “viewfinder experience” more akin to old film bodies that were designed for manual focusing.

          • Marc W.

            I hope it has a F5 type finder. Big and bright!

          • Marc W.

            I hope it has a F5 type finder. Big and bright!

          • BroncoBro

            You might want to try C41 at home some time. It’s not that difficult, and the results trump pretty much ANY lab. I’m not sure why, but it’s probably because you’re using it and tossing, rather than replenishing. Anyway, I used to do it and got some great results.

            • Marc W.

              I plan on starting soon. I bought the kit, but haven’t mixed any of it yet. I have a bulk roll of C-41 waiting for me.

            • lancecouzens

              i might give that a try one of these days – the nearest lab that does 120 is 40mins away from my house… not very convenient and still a lot better than many people have!

            • BroncoBro

              I haven’t shot film in so long I wouldn’t know where to go here in Boise. If I was more curious I’d look into it…but I’m not…:-) lol

            • Killroy™

              Costco? If they still develop film at your local ones, its only $1.56 for film developing only (no CD or Prints).

            • lancecouzens

              pretty sure they don’t do 120 – i think i checked when i used to have a membership

            • Killroy™

              Yeah, sorry. 35mm only.

            • BroncoBro

              Thanks, good tip. Now. I just need to buy a film camera and then…

          • BroncoBro

            You might want to try C41 at home some time. It’s not that difficult, and the results trump pretty much ANY lab. I’m not sure why, but it’s probably because you’re using it and tossing, rather than replenishing. Anyway, I used to do it and got some great results.

        • hexx

          still don’t fee confident about C41/E6 at home – keeping temp at 39C seems to be a problem for me, therefore B&W at home and colour only from time to time and get it developed in a lab – but last week I came from hols and had 2 rolls developed and was very angry, scratched, finger prints – bloody tossers

      • Mars Observer

        And maybe that’s why they only put 16MP in the Df (the older lenses would fare less-well with a higher MP sensor??)

        • mark

          one point there. Plus the fact that they can only reuse the excellent 16mp sensor on this model as it is targets folks who do not look at mp count. Then by increasing production, they are also hoping they could lower overall costs and get more from their investment in developing the sensor.

          Put that d4 sensor on an entry d6xx body and you would see droves go to 6d. Put that on a d8xx type body and many will go to 5d3.

          I just really hope I could afford the Df though. If it sits between the d610 and d7100, then this might be the one that would replace my current d40.

    • BroncoBro

      we haven’t seen a view from the top yet, but I’m betting that it is a much slimmer camera without the huge grip found on most DSLRs. The ergonomics will be completely different. Again, I’m guessing as we haven’t really seen the camera yet.

      • http://www.davidkasman.com/ David Kasman

        Definitely.

    • John

      If you think the D600 is the pinnacle of DSLR design, then you will not understand this new camera. If you think the latest DSLR are bloated monstrosities with too many silly little functions that don’t matter, then you may like the Df. There is nothing wrong with being happy about what you already have.

      • Paul

        I don’t know what I think about the d600′s design. My motive for getting the d600 was purely around getting a a wider field of view and DOF control when using primes for portraits. I don’t use 90% of the features on the d600.

        • John

          Paul, some of us get hung up on ergonomics. It appears you are lucky enough not to care.

  • usa

    Two questions:
    1. Where the hell is Ashton Kutcher?
    2. Can he please stay there?

  • Pippo

    I took out my FED 2 rangefinder and measure it – 140 mm. The new Df camera is big & heavy

    • Marc W.

      I took out my F5 and looked at it. The new DF is tiny and light.

      • TheInConvenientRuth

        I measured a Fuji GX680II… The DF is minisicule…
        Imma measure a Minox now, brb…

        • hexx

          LOL!!! it’s also smaller than hassy V :)

  • treehouse

    ??? is a cable release

    • Marc W.

      or PC Sync port and the “Flash Socket” is the cable release

  • tman

    There’s a joy to using the high quality metal AI-S lenses. If they match the construction, keeping the 50/1.8G optics, could be a winner… How much throw is there on that lens for manual focus? If not much, it really kills the AI-S lens joy.
    Your renderings show it may have build inflash. If that’s case, the button on side for release of that?
    I don’t have too many G lenses so it’s not a show stopper for me, but how ergonomic would it be adjusting aperture with that dial? What was wrong with the dials? Is this because the DF has “physical” control?

    • flightofbooks

      It looks like it will have a shutter speed dial and presumably it will have a rear control wheel, so that would be the logic choice for adjusting G lens aperture. so I don’t think aperture is the answer here. EV maybe?

  • ShakyLens

    I’m so sick of hearing this elitist garbage about the D6x0′s “inferior” AF system. Unless you’ve USED one and actually have legitimate reasons to dislike it, STFU and GTFO. Never heard such rubbish.

    • Marc W.

      Unless you compare it to the F5 or F6. muhahahaha. jk. (sorry, loaded the F5 last night)

      • ShakyLens

        Touché good sir. But I’d be the first to admit I don’t really use the outer points all that much.

        • Marc W.

          Yeah, I’ve been getting used to no AF and no split focus thing. I kind of like microprisms now.

  • mathurin

    ?? = AF Mode Selection (AF-A, AF-S, AF-C)

  • dbms

    If the price is about the same as A7, it will sell a lot, otherwise, who would choose this camera over A7r. I see zero benefit.

    • BroncoBro

      the people like me who have a dozen or so Nikon lenses. don’t get out much?

    • Christos

      Zero benefit? You don’t have to buy E-mount lenses like with A7r, you can use old F mount lenses. Except if you have lenses which can be used with adapter.

    • Christos

      Zero benefit? You don’t have to buy E-mount lenses like with A7r, you can use old F mount lenses. Except if you have lenses which can be used with adapter.

    • JohnH

      People with a lot of Nikon glass, which is way more than those with Sony glass.

    • JohnH

      People with a lot of Nikon glass, which is way more than those with Sony glass.

    • Don Hogfan

      To all of the ones that have nikon glass:
      A7r can use Sony,Nikon,Canon,Leica…

      • Marc W.

        To those who want to AF with their Nikon glass…..

        • JohnH

          Or VR

      • bobTB

        Yes on an adapter that adds to the size plus there are an awful lot of well awful sample shots from the A7R

      • Jet

        its a fact that adapters compromises the performance of lenses and degrades image quality. Only one lens available for A7 4 more coming next year. Shouldn’t you be on sonyrumors.com?

      • Rad Alzyoud

        if you’re happy with Sony, why do you waste your time here at Nikon’s rumor site?

      • Mars Observer

        Alas my eyes no longer focus as well as the camera does :(

      • Bamboojled

        Actually Sony NEEDS to use Nikon, Canon, and Leica because they have no lenses in their system and the ones they do have are overpriced and with lower performance vs. the competition

    • Rad Alzyoud

      i would choose this over any Sony! i can’t stand Sony’s loud shutter release. It’s like a typewriter.

    • chris

      OFV?????

    • flightofbooks

      iso boost above 100,000

  • Skeptical

    So in a bid take on Fujifilm, nikon have made a camera that’s essentially the same size as a D610… And ugly.

    • Jon McGuffin

      ugly would be a matter of opinion, as far as I can tell it has a look quite similar to a X-Pro1, OMD-E1/E5, etc. As far as the size, we’re talking about a FF camera here. Bear in mind to take most advantage of that sensor, FF glass will be required which can be rather large. It’s important to have good balance/stability between the body and the lens for a variety of reasons. Their decision to error on the side of a little larger (it’s still smallish all things considered) is probably a smart move. If this camera doesn’t fit for you, the Coolpix line of cameras are really nice and compact along with the V1 series ;)

      • Dave Ingram

        I think that @Skeptical is probably referring to the viewfinder hump compared to the streamlined rangefinder look of the Fuji’s. I’m going to wait to see the final product but I have to admit that I love the styling and look of the Fuji Xs and own both a D600 and a Fuji X100S. Really interested to see the specs on the DF as I’d prefer a camera that’s a bit stripped down … if the price point is right, the specs are good, the build quality is in place, and I can sell my D600 I’ll take a serious look at it.

        • FredBear

          Gaaah!
          D600 is a four alphanumeric word around here ;-)

      • skeptical

        Nah mate. X-Pro1 all the way.

    • JohnH

      I was not aware that Fujifilm had a FX digital camera . . .

    • JohnH

      I was not aware that Fujifilm had a FX digital camera . . .

      • skeptical

        You’re right they don’t. However their APS-C sensor performs better in low light than any FF sensor I know of. So I don’t see how your comment is relevant.

    • per

      My guess is that it will feel smaller than the D610. The “withers height” is smaller, and together with the lesser thickness it will feel small. About the perfect size for a camera.

  • Df

    Do you think that VF can be removed to make the camera more compact? assuming there is a LCD on the back or even top.

    • BroncoBro

      Try a hacksaw.

  • Hejra

    Look closely at the bottons. Looks fake to me. Compare with the images from video #1 and look how the guy holds the camera.

  • DonD

    I guess I would have to know how a D610 compares to a D700 or D800, otherwise this is pretty meaningless. How many even own the D610.

    • Rad Alzyoud
    • Mars Observer

      I wish they had included the D700 in the comparison. I think many D700 owners are looking to upgrade from the 2008 D700.

      • lorenzo

        Thought the upgrade you wanted was called D800

      • flightofbooks

        wasn’t the d700 more or less the same size as the d610?

      • Erik

        I have said it before, but I say it again. How can it be an upgrade if it has more cluttered focus points and not 8 fps with a grip?

    • MD

      A quick comparison between DF and D600&D700…

      • NickW

        Initially, when it looked at D610 and Df side by side, I thought Df is not small. But with D800, now it does show how small it is. (Of course, assuming the scale is right.) Thx MD for the photo editing.

      • http://marsweekly.wordpress.com/ Mars Observer

        Thanks MD – I’ve made this my desktop background (hope you don’t mind) :)

        • MD

          Here’s a new comparison…this time with the Leica M :)

  • OldFartWhoStillShootsFilm

    Just like Leica. Sell the experience, not the image quality. Gotta love marketing.

    • Rad Alzyoud

      So you’ve already judged the image quality even the camera hasn’t been released yet?

      • OldFartWhoStillShootsFilm

        I am judging the marketing, not the camera. All we have seen so far is vidoes, no pictures.

      • J. Dennis Thomas

        Of course. Who needs actual FACTS when you can simply make suppositions?

        • TheInConvenientRuth

          This is the internet. Facts are irrelevant.,

          • FredBear

            LOL. Most haven’t Wikkied ‘Fact’ yet to find out what it means.

          • Stan Dibben

            Facts do not exist.

            • Erik

              I read Nikonrumours therefore I am

            • Stan Dibben

              Nikonrumors reads your thoughts therefore nikonrumors is

    • Killroy™

      Don’t we already know the image quality if it uses the same sensor as the D4?

  • jack

    why does nobody show the Nikon name on the previz?

  • jack

    i mean does this mean it’s not gonna be a nikon?? ;-)

    • FredBear

      Nah, it’s a re-branded Sony – which will prove for once that Sony can make a decent camera.

  • BroncoBro

    I’m pretty comfortable waiting for this camera to come out. What I CAN’T wait for are the comments on this blog after it does.

    • Kendall Owns Ownafide

      Me too. There have been a lot of people who have argued quite vigorously about things they are very certain about. Someone has to be wrong. Who’s it gonna be I wonder?

      • BroncoBro

        we’ll see who doesn’t show up.

      • MrSkelter

        Who’ll be wrong? People claiming this camera:

        1. Will cost less than the 610.
        2. Is entry level.
        3. Will not have autofocus.
        4. Will not sell well.
        5. Will not have an LCD
        6. Is for ‘hipsters’ (it’ll be way too expensive)

        I’ve been in marketing and photography long enough. This body will sell on looks alone. That it’ll perform so well in low light and with old glass makes it a sure thing for Nikon.

        They’re the first to realize that however foot technology gets you can’t replace buttons, dials and build quality with technology. They’ll always command a premium. That’s where the future of dedicated cameras lies.

        Why use a camera with an interface like a phone when you can use this?

    • Narretz

      Easily over 1000 comments, I guess.

  • usa

    My apologies to Adm. for all my silly posts. I post a lot of ridiculous stuff here because I really hate this PP ad campaign. But I very much appreciate the coverage provided by this website. Amazingly good stuff! Thank you for your work on all things Nikon.

  • user

    I still remember the firs time used F100 after years of great experience with FM2. The controls are so good that I can set everything I need with my right hand and my left hand is free is support the lens. So going back to FM2 style knobs for me is a step back for my shooting style. BUT it’s great for nostalgia feeling that the camera you love now has a digital guts. I still use my old F100 along with my D700 and I still perfectly happy with them both.

  • Gareth O’Neill

    Am I the only one to be dubious about this? The nikon 50mm 1.4G is 7.7mm (about 6/20″) larger in diameter than the Zeiss 55mm 1.8. This looks like a far bigger difference.

  • desmo

    the mystery button is flash EV

    • J. Dennis Thomas

      No flash.

    • FredBear

      (External) Flash sync of old.

    • MisterF

      I think the mystery button is the prism lock. You press it and you can remove or flip the prism so that you can use it as an waist level VF, just as you could do with the F3. Love it!

      • MisterF

        Or it could be the OVF/EVF switch like in the fuji x series

  • Mike D

    If your going to go retro, copy the S3 (gorgeous) and not an FM2. Yikes.

    • toby

      I think the issue would be with the lenses, since hardly anyone has s mount lenses (is that correct?) – where as everyone and their mum has f mount lenses. But I agree the S2 and S3 are absolutely gorgeous! Would be nice to have a Nikon S2/S3 fuji x100 competitor (except FF with a fixed 35mm 1.8 lens)

      • J. Dennis Thomas

        Good S-mount lenses aren’t exactly cheap and they aren’t exactly plentiful either. If Nikon decided to go that route the prices of the fast S-lenses would hit around the same a vintage M-mount lenses.

        I’d like to see a true digital S camera, but I don’t think it’s gonna happen.

    • Captain Megaton

      Honest, I don’t find the S3 that pretty. It’s okay, but not spectacular.

      • Mike D

        That’s the problem with going retro. Different people have a different opinion of what’s good looking. Personally, I prefer a body that is functional with great capabilities like the D7100. Nikon should have just increased the FPS and buffer size of the D7100 and they would sell a lot more bodies.

      • decisivemoment

        There’s retro, and there’s too retro. I think 1980s retro makes sense in this situation. Basically, I’ve been hoping they’d take the F3 and work with that — and they might even use the slightly bigger and more rounded (and thus easier to manipulate) controls of the F4.

  • Jon Ingram

    Still looks a little bulkier than i would prefer. Oh well. Hopefully we will see a smaller/lighter purist FX camera from Nikon in the next couple years. I’m still excited for the official specs on this.

    • George

      As long as a camera is still based on mirror and f-mount, it cannot be smaller due to the mirror champer and the lens register (approx 46.5mm). There are millions of f-mount lenses,so how should we do? Should we bring back the Nikon S2 rangefinder system which is based on s-mount rather than F-mount?

      http://www.nikonweb.com/s2/d2x_s2.jpg

      • Erik

        FM3A obvious has the F-mount and is smaller

        Comparison by MD:
        http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/677/3145/original.jpg

        • Captain Megaton

          Of. Course. It. Is.

          When can we get past this? Rear plate of Nikon film SLRs extended only 2-3 mm past the film plane. This is simply impossible with digital where you need the sensor, the logic board, LCD, and protective glass all being the focal plane…

          The only way to get a film SLR sized full frame camera is to drop the SLR compatibility and go mirrorless, with a new mount having a shorter registration distance. About the smallest you can expect a full-frame dSLR to be under current technology is F100 sized.

          • MD

            So, basically they could just increase the thickness by a couple of mm :)

            • Erik

              I agree, I don’t see why they need to adjust the other dimensions!? It seems Sony doesn’t.

          • Erik

            How thick is a sensor? Does the logic board have to be behind the sensor? Could we have a pure retro FM3A without and LCD?

            • decisivemoment

              Check out the film plane marking on the top plate of every Nikon F-mount SLR, film or digital. For my cameras, with the D800 it’s a little over a centimeter, and on the F100, it’s less than half that. If smartphone manufacturers can slim their products, so can Nikon, but I don’t see how they get it as slim as a film camera back. If they can shave, say, 3mm off, that would be a big achievement.

      • Mars Observer

        Yes please!

    • flightofbooks

      as long as it’s well built and weather sealed I don’t mind a little bulk. the a7 seemed a bit under-built to me, which is not a vibe I want to get off a two grand kit.

      • BroncoBro

        In all fairness the old Pentax LX was built like a tank and weather sealed. It was not bulky. But, then again, it didn’t contain a battery and all the electronics and LCDs that today’s cameras have to.

        • hexx

          that’s very pretty camera, really, what’s happened to all SLRs of these days? ugly as hell, uninspiring dark grey boxes

        • Read the FAQ

          The LX was probably the most underrated and under appreciated pro system camera ever made. As you mentioned, I think “bulky” is the key word here. Size is one thing but even a small camera can exhibit “bulk” and worse of all, they can be horribly unergonomic. I value ergonomics over any real size issues, but without the ‘plastic blob’ bulk of current DSLRs. They tend to be both large and bulky (a few are very ergonomic however, like the D3s.)

          I spent all day yesterday with my F3 and MD-4. Despite its size (although still smaller in “bulk” than a DSLR), it is incredibly comfortable to carry and use for hours on end (the MD-4 makes it ergonomically perfect, imho.) The heft is just right (solid; not light and feathery to where you can’t hold it steady like many mirrorless cameras.) And the ‘psychological feeling’ of it being all metal and very robust adds another element to the satisfaction of using it. I’d personally be very happy with a digital version.

      • Mars Observer

        Is it weather sealed?

        • flightofbooks

          I would assume it is at least as well as the prosumer DX models, e.g. the d7000

    • decisivemoment

      If it’s between an F2 and FM2, I’d regard that as an achievement, because the FM2 is diminutive. You’ve got to carve out a bit of extra space for the sensor and chimping screen, compared to a film camera. I guess I’ve been expecting something right around the size of an F2 or F3 (both about the same size bodies, the F3 with a more compact viewfinder housing).

  • johnF

    Df = D700 replacement?

    • BroncoBro

      not even close

    • flightofbooks

      that thing you’re talking about is called the D800

      • decisivemoment

        Not really, the D800 has some issues that would unsettle a D700 person from a workflow and image storage perspective, not to mention capture rate. I like the D800, but I can’t really see a D700 person liking it, and I couldn’t really see me liking the D700.

        • J. Dennis Thomas

          Having owned both the D700 and the D800 simultaneously I found myself grabbing the D700 over the D800 almost always. In Nikon’s lineup the D800 replaced the D700, but in real life they are two different cameras for two different kinds of shooters.

          • saywhatuwill

            Can I ask why? If the Df doesn’t pan out to be the camera I really want then I’ll probably just spring for the D800. However, I’m curious as to why you grab the D700 more since I was planning on keeping mine.

            • J. Dennis Thomas

              I didn’t need the file size. When I needed the speed it wasn’t there. Great camera for portraits and high-end products, but nobody really needs that kind of resolution in the real world.

              I ended up selling the D800.

    • Mars Observer

      Mabye. I think it appeals to the same users (I say that as I D700 owner).

  • Kevin

    drop the grip and i may consider getting it :)

    • Mars Observer

      I don’t think we’ve seen a pic of the grip yet, have we?

      • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

        I think the controls and the grip will be revealed tonight.

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