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Rumor: Nikon preparing to announce new D5300 and D610 DSLR cameras

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The latest rumors are that Nikon will release new D5300 and D610 DSLR cameras. I am still working on the details, but such announcement will be within the new company strategy to concentrate on entry level DSLR models. The D5300 will most likely be a marginal improvement over the D5200, maybe with built-in Wi-Fi and GPS functionality (just a speculation). The D610 is the more interesting development. I think the main reason behind the D610 is not so much to introduce new functionality as to kill once and for all the D600 sensor oil issue that prevented many people from buying it. Think of it like the SB-910 flash release - it did not have any major new features, it just fixed the overheating issue of the SB-900. This explains also the recent massive discounts on refurbished D600 cameras.

Needless to say that everything at that point is just a rumor with my own interpretation as to what those cameras will be. If you have any more details, do not hesitate to contact me (no email address required) since reliable information has been scarce lately.

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  • Creative Angle

    Post from Nikon’s facebook page:

    “Save the date for this year’s Digital Show, held in Melbourne on 13-15th September. Stay tuned for more news to come soon”

    May be they are planning to announce something around this time..

  • phosgene

    The D610 may be interesting, but oil might not be the only reason the sales have been lagging. The D600 is near FX price, but without the pro build. I think the D600’s main threat has always been used D700s.

    I know it’s not likely, but I’m still one of those holdouts hoping for a proper D700 replacement. D4 or D4-like sensor in a D800-like body. I love the D800 for what it is, but it’s not the perfect wedding camera the D700 was. I’d like to reach into slightly higher ISOs with more color depth like the D4 can do, but I’d love a smaller body. Picky, I know, but if Nikon made 16-18MP D700 replacement, with modern video/firmware capabilities and 5-8 fps, I’d order two of them.

    • Shawn

      If Nikon were to offer a lower resolution RAW (call it dRAW or something) option on the D800 (or D800 replacement) would that satisfy the D700 replacement desire?

      • umeshrw

        If it would increase the fps by atleast one and buffer by x2.

      • Rafa R

        Oh yes! I would love dRAW on my D800, 36 megapixels ONLY is overkill, never take my D800 on my vacations or holidays with me for that reason.

        • edan

          Obviously from a person who has never printed large photos.
          btw your D700 rep is called a D4.

          • jr456

            What size is considered “large”? I have printed 24×36 with files from my D700…zero issues with quality. At this point unless I wanted to make a wall-sized print where I wanted to view it from 1-inch away I would never need the resolution of the D800 for the end product.

      • El Aura

        You mean if Nikon offered a 14 (or 12) bit Tiff with lossless compression? Ok, you loose some bit depth in the mid tones, make it a 16 bit Tiff and you pretty much have what is the Canon reduced size ‘raws’ are (they are de-mosaicced images with no white balance and tone curve applied, reduced in size and, I think, lossless compressed, the no-WB could be achieved with uniWB).

      • Sidscu

        satisfy the D700 replacement desire?
        Re-release the D700 with just updated firmware and rejig the buttons to look like newer models, that’s the only way to shut up the idiots.

      • Aldo

        It would be nice to have raw @ 20mp FF

    • Mike

      If be right behind you in line to buy two more.

    • Joseph Li

      The D4 is over-rated, if anyone actually over rate it. I am in weddings too and I have a couple of D800Es and D4s..I dont see significant ISO advantage in FIELD usage. If I know I am going to crop a lot or print big I grab the d800e with ultra wide, if I need to nail focus in the dark I grab the D4. At the end of the day you downsample a noisier D800E image and it comes pretty close to a 16mp D4

      • Dan

        Really? The D4 autofocus blow the D800e out of the water. I mean out of the water. I’m just saying…

        • Joseph Li

          in terms of high ISO performance, it’s over rated. Get pretty much the same from a d3s. Not the AF, or the fps, or the full body, or the XQD transfer speed, not the….

    • Olaf Hoyer

      Basically it boils down to a D800h Version- like the things they have done before with the d1 and d2…

      Stuff a 16MP (D4) oder maybe the 24MP Sensor of the D600 in a D800, ensure that the mirror mechanism is able to hold steady 6-7 fps (swinging/vibrance compensation) and its ready to go- Processing power of the internal CPU and buffer size should be sufficient to digest smaller files.

      Something like Canons sRAW ist not neccessarily the answer here, because the amount of sensor data is still here and needs to be dealt with.

      • Set

        Remember 4yrs ago when 21MP was overkill? People were shooting 10MP sRAWs on their 5d2? Yeah, is 10MP enough for you now? If you never need to print big, then you don’t need a D700 replacement, you need the D300s replacement

    • Anthony Woodruffe

      sounds like you want a D600 but with a more rugged build. it certainly beats a D700 in the imaging Dept. and achieves 5.5fps. has a higher ISO-Noise Ratio, more color depth and dynamic range than a D4. I guess I must be on about 10,000 clicks with my D600 bought in June and I have no dirty sensor issues. I will admit 99% of the time I’ve used fixes focal length lenses.

    • catfish252

      The line for the D700 replacement is right behind the D300/s line, if Nikon had done it right instead of 2 different bodies for the D800 they would have come out with a souped up D780 newer sensor more fps etc and a D800/E in the 2 different flavors both the same price with or without AA filter, I don’t believe leaving a part out should cost $500 more. That was pure profit for them.

  • JimP

    There’s no doubt that Nikon needs to do something about the D600. It’ll be interesting to see if they “uncripple” other aspects: autofocus, sync speed, shutter speed and crop modes come to mind.

    • Mike

      AF-ON…,,

      The D600 should be a D800 or D4 lite, not a FX D7xxx.

    • KnightPhoto

      Yeah, from a corporate perspective, a D610 is a smart move. D600 is tainted. Probably have to call it D650 though. For differentiation purposes they probably have to retain the 39-point AF for now and leave out the second independent motor for adjusting aperture. So that leaves maybe a bump in frame rate and buffer for the d650 since elsewhere in the full frame line-up that is a gap. That would have to be of interest for at least some of the D700 holdouts you would think ;-)

      And then maybe some video improvements like 1080P/60?

      If a D650 had the 51-point AF it would be a much better camera in my eyes, but I don’t think they’ll do it, unless of course 61-point etc. is coming in the D400 (and future D4/D800 replacements). If you look at the 6D it is even worse, with that crappy ol 5D 11-point centre focus only part, so Canon isn’t providing any motivation.

      Would be interesting if they tossed in WiFi and GPS but that would cause abandonment of their external widgets, so I’d be surprised. Better if they offered package deals, body + Wifi + GPS?

      • KnightPhoto

        An 8fps, bigger buffered, 51-point AF would be very compelling. I like the 51-point AF (especially on an FX camera) and personally loved the U1/U2 modes (I want U3/U4 too). Make it this way and Nikon really should be able to attract the D700 holdouts.

        Then issue a D800S that also does 8fps and a D400 that does 8fps.

        That would sell some cameras for Nikon.

        • David Portass

          Agreed although I’m reasonably comfortable with 5.5fps, Rarely use my 8FPS D300s and had no issue with 6fps of my D7000. Again I have no real issue with 39 af points as I centre focus and recompose for 90% of my work but would be happy if they spread them a little wider but the biggest thing that would make me very happy would be to boost the centre point sensitivity to -2, even -3ev for my low light work.

          More than happy for them to dump all the scene options on the dial for more U modes

      • Mansgame

        I’m afraid you’re right. This is more to clean up the name. At this point D600 users are used to dealing with the dust, but it’s still scaring away new users. Kind of sucks that early adopters got screwed though.

  • Rafa R

    there should be a recall for the D600 , even though I dont have one, but its just ethical.

    • Richard M.

      I agree..I spent $2500.0 for a camera that is, by design, defective. Now Nikon is coming out with a new version an supposedly fixed sensor issue. What about those of us who invested in the D600 thinking we had a quality product from a reputable company..
      Either rebate the 600 for the 610 or recall the 600 and fix the issue…

      • Joseph Li

        I agree. They should recall the D600, not FOKING SLAP me in the face with a D610 a year later ask me to dump the D600 and pay more for a D610 to fix current shutter issues. This is total BS ,nikon really knows how to test the patience of its customers

        • McGraffix

          Ehhh…. Did you notice the title of this site at all: “Nikon RUMORS”?
          Admin keeps saying he doesn’t know for sure and even that that’s saying much.
          So, how can you be cheated by something that in all likelihood may not even ever be produced?

          Oh, and next time, it might be prudent to just wait maybe a couple of weeks before buying a brand new and costly piece of equipment. That way, you’ll be able to read reviews and find out if anything pops up, like the oil/dust issues.

          I reall get annoyed reading that stuff is “no good anymore”, just because something new came out with a higher type-number, while the day before nobody was complaining about their gear (/phone/gadget/whatever).

          • Joseph Li

            DUH…i know its rumors. But it’s called a d610 for a good reason, the logic of the sb 900 and sb910 totally makes sense here.

            • Michael Sloan

              +1, I own a couple of the SB 900’s, and although I’ve only ran into the overheating issue once, I was still pissed that the SB910 came out to fix an engineering fault. The 10 designator is like a slap in the face to all who bought the predecessor.

            • Aldo

              And to add a bit to the fire… it seems that with the way they “fixed” it, they could have just updated a firmware on it.

      • Anthony

        Am I the only D600 owner without the dust issue? I had 13,000 shutter actuations before I got some big dust particles on the sensor during a trip, and had to clean it. How many of you complaining about the dust issue actually OWN a D600?

        • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

          Maybe you bought your camera after they fixed the issue?

          • Anthony

            I bought it in December 2012 and my serial number starts with 305. Apparently after my batch the issue was fixed. That would imply that currently on-the-market cameras no longer have the issue, so why are people complaining so much?! People are screaming murder and DoA on something that’s been fixed for 8 months now…

            • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

              Because Nikon never made an official statement on that issue. People are just guessing based on the information available on the Internet that is not always reliable.

            • Visual

              I had a D600 with a 300 serial, Nikon replaced the shutter twice and couldn’t fix it…. they replaced it with a new 307 serial number camera which has the same problem

          • Anthony Woodruffe

            here’s hoping

            • dclivejazz

              I had the problem on a D600 I bought in Dec. ’12. Nikon suggested I send it to them after seeing samples taken before and after a professional cleaning. Definitely worse with f/16-f/22. They replaced the shutter mechanism and just sent it back to me. It took them a month, including two weeks to wait for the replacement part. When I asked customer service what their latest position is on this issue, she had no answer.

              Other than hopefully eventually fixing the camera and also giving it another good cleaning, this was terrible customer service. I’m still evaluating whether the issue with mine is cleared up. I’ve otherwise loved the camera and especially like it with good lens. But I have to wonder how much more I will put into Nikon vs giving the Canon 5D MIII a whirl. It was a major bummer to be without my best camera a whole month, and I can’t understand why Nikon can’t be more forthcoming.

        • Mak

          yes I do (serial nr 6000..), around 5000 actutions I am in dust issue every 300 shots :| not an happy thing

          • Mak

            honestly, the camera has an impressive output and the dust spots come out only starting at f16->f29. Switching from a d5100 to D600 is like switching from compact to DSLR

          • http://twitter.com/sharbeen Sharbeen

            Serial Number 6000? when did you purchase. my serial number is 306… no dust issues. so far clicked 1000

            • mak

              January this year, sn 6000xxx; it was not a big shop so I guess it was not really a fresh stock
              I’m soon to send to repair now and I really hope I can get a definitive fix
              In my opinion I think it’s not an oil issue but very small dust; I noticed a peak of spot has come out around 2000-3000 actuations now slightly fading out but it’s still an issue that I didn’t expect for this price

            • http://twitter.com/sharbeen Sharbeen

              It’s actually disappointing the way NIKON is handling this problem. Not sure if mine is a fixed one. I purchased it from B&H. and a week ago. So I guess it’s supposed to be a new stock. Not sure. Anyways lets see after 5000 shots

        • Anthony Woodruffe

          just posted, must have around 10k of clicks and no dust issues. Bought the D600 in June this year.

          • http://twitter.com/sharbeen Sharbeen

            What’s your serial number starting with? mine’s 306 and i too have no dust issue so far.

        • Gabriel

          I bought one from Costco in December last year and my camera has been back to Nikon twice already. And today, I’m expecting to get my camera back after one month (exactly) in their shop in LA. I can’t wait to test out it again to see if dust/oil still there or it has been fixed for good. Will keep you guys posted.

        • Michael Flores

          I bought a D600 refurbished from KEH. Serial number 301. I noticed a little dust at the beginning and the shutter count started at 1. All it took was a little light cleaning with the sensorklear pen. and once more just recently with a blower. I haven’t had giant dust specks or oil spots at all. I’m thinking the oil thing was fixed and was sold as a refurb. Makes me feel glad I didn’t buy new.

        • catfish252

          Must be enough for Nikon to come out with a replacement, that probably means there are thousands you haven’t heard from, a lot of people just aren’t forum lizards.

        • Joven

          I didn’t think I had the issue either b/c I was shooting at f/1.8-f4 a lot, but hen I shot at f/11-16 when I started doing landscape work and noticed it.

        • Charlie

          Nope, I bought mine in January and I haven’t had and dust or oil problems with mine. I love my D600 and I upgraded from the D80.

        • heggmona

          I saw some dust spots before I hit 1000 actuations, but dust (or oil) has never been a problem for me. Hardly any dust and I change lenses a lot! Btw, bought my D600 the first day it was on sale here.

        • sivkar

          I own my D600 from 10.10.2012.

          For first 10.000 clicks there was oil spots on sensor, but from then on there is dust problem. I wet cleaned my sensor three times, but from now on I just use air blower once every month and try to shoot under f8. If D610 would have no dust problems and larger auto focus area I would buy it instantly.

      • Joven

        I spent $50 to clean the sensor myself (swabs + solution). Seriously, the issue is grossly overrated. Am I pleased that I had to do it? No. I’d gladly do it all over again b/c I spent a year getting awesome shots with a great sensor.

    • FDF

      There’s nothing wrong with D600. At least not with mine that I bought as soon as it was out. I had the sensor cleaned (for free) eventhough the oil didn’t bother me at all.

  • Drazen B

    It appears Nikon is doing the Canon thing…650D upgraded to 700D for no logical reason.
    Neither of these Nikon cams require an upgrade. While D300 and D700 could do with a newer model.

    • PeterPan

      The D800 is the D700 replacement.

      • patto01

        I think somebody’s been snorting pixie dust…

        • El Aura

          The D700 was a high-end, small body, affordable FF camera. The D800 occupies exactly the same spot. Main difference is that it is a 4-5 fps and not a 6-8 fps camera and requires more computing resources.

          Not every product will have have an exact successor, otherwise a company either could not offer new camera packages without having an ever increasing portfolio of products.

          • Rafa R

            well you can take the D700 for weddings all the time but not too many photographers take their D800 to weddings, cause of the 36 MP overkill sensor, how about those 300 gig weddings and too much computer power required and space? the D800 does not replace the wedding photographers camera in my opinion.

            • Aldo

              I only use my d800 for weddings and events. d700 will remain a legendary camera…but customers aren’t photographers and they don’t have vast knowledge… they are gonna wanna know why uncle Joe’s new nokia phone has three and a half times more resolution than your pictures.

            • patto01

              Do you deliver digital files or prints? In either case, if your photos aren’t obviously better than Uncle Joe’s, maybe they should have HIM take the photos and use the money they would have paid you to take a nicer honeymoon ;-)

            • Aldo

              I see where you are going with this but you miss my point… a lot of event photography involves simply getting that shot. Not every file has to be an award winning photograph. Deliver digital files or prints? Where have you been? 99 percent of customers want their pictures on a cd and prints.

            • patto01

              In all seriousness, if your shots aren’t any better than Uncle Joe’s, why pay you? There’s a lot of latitude between an award winning photograph and a “snapshot.” You don’t have to be at one extreme to be obviously different from the other.
              Where I’ve not been is taking any kind of event photos. When I got married the second time :-(, the photographer, who’s photos weren’t any better than Uncle Joe’s, gave me a photo CD, with watermarks on everything, that I could use to order prints.

            • Aldo

              “they are gonna wanna know why uncle Joe’s new nokia phone has three and a half time more resolution than your pictures” I never mentioned image quality or photographic skill. Whether you choose to ignore it or not, mp count is how many consumers compare “quality”. They may also ask themselves why pay YOU for similar quality work in lower resolution when they can hire someone else with updated modern equipment with higher res.

            • patto01

              I’m not interested in those kinds of clients. Not that there’s anything wrong with that…
              That was some years ago and I believe that was common practice at the time. Actually, I didn’t miss out too much. I took his photo CD, removed the watermarks in Photoshop, and was able to make prints, appropriately sized for the quality of the shots (did I mention he wasn’t very good), with far less than 36mp. Look, I’m not trying to be a jerk or anything, I just don’t see the need for 36mp unless you have “award winning” photos and intend to print them on good paper at a fairly large size. Maybe your clients care more about pixels than image quality and composition but I don’t and won’t work for anyone who does. Just different ways of approaching life; not better or worse.

            • Lame

              You guys are so gay

            • Aldo

              “I’m not interested in those kinds of clients” I do this for a living and can not afford that luxury. It’s also about thinking outside the box and using any tools for marketing. Taking good pictures only gets you half a contract here in Los Angeles (there is a lot of good competition)… you also need decent skills to sell yourself. If you want to live off your photographs… you must be ready for any type of customer… the knowledgeable…. and the not so much. Being polite, listening to what they want, giving them feedback (in terms easy to understand) and delivering is part of having good customer service skills. Whether they care for mp or not the point is to be ready for anything they may ask for. That’s how you get hired. Do you buy a computer based on minimum system requirements? NO. It’s the same principle. It’s not so much an approach to life as it is to keep that shutter rolling.

            • patto01

              I think you’re drinking way too much coffee, I never see you without a cup to your mouth!
              All the things you list are choices you’ve made and part of your approach to life.

            • Aldo

              I’m sorry but deciding who you work for isn’t an approach to life. Unless you are a lawyer and decline to defend a known criminal… you are just simply narrow minded.

            • patto01

              This is really getting off-topic but I strongly disagree. Does that mean that if you want to work at a five-star restaurant instead of McDonalds, you’re narrow minded? How about if you want to do wildlife photography for National Geographics instead of weddings for Mary Lou and her mom? (I am NOT comparing wedding photography to working at McDonalds) Do you actually think about what you write or just verbally throw up on your keyboard?

            • Aldo

              I think you are too angry. I love how you ignore the obvious points I make just to be defensive. eg. mp topic turned into “quality” of photographs… and now, knowing I’m an event photographer and aren’t deciding whether to work for National Geographic or Mary Lou’s wedding… you go on just say if I throw up on my keyboard? I know you get the “obvious” points I make, but here I go anyway. We both know when you said ” I don’t work for those type of clients” you were referring to some form of customer who cares about megapixels? since that was the topic in the first place. Then you flip flop just to deflect? Sorry but you need to defend your opinions with congruent arguments as to have some credibility.

            • patto01

              You give me too much credit. I have no idea what you’re talking about.

              Megapixels are obviously important to your clients, they aren’t to mine. No problem.

              You wrote, “deciding who you work for isn’t an approach to life…you are just simply narrow minded.” I offered a simple, easily understood rebuttal.
              The clients, I was referring to, don’t care about megapixels – just composition and IQ. No hidden meaning. No veiled insults. Just a simple statement.
              Flip flop? I don’t understand.
              Congruent enough for you?
              Oh yeah…I never get angry, just sad.

            • Aldo

              Megapixels aren’t important to “all” my clients, but if they are, I’m ready. My point is as simple as that. Who are my clients ? Bride A, Bride B, Bride C, bday person 1, bday person 2, Mom A, Mom B, Mom C, etc.. All involving a church ceremony and/or a party. When b-day person 2 asks about technical questions about the photographs he will get (he happens to do photography as a hobby) I will turn him down because he asked the forbidden question “how many mp are my files gonna be?” You see my point here? These are how my customers are diverse not National Geographic, Mary Lou , Mc Donalds. Turning down bday person 2 because he fails to understand that megapixels don’t matter too much is being narrow minded. I don’t care what he thinks about photography, I will deliver what he wants, get paid and move on. And don’t be sad too much… it’s not good for you.

            • patto01

              And, yet again, by stating that my clients don’t care about megapixels, I am NOT saying you should, or would want to, decline clients. I don’t do events because I don’t want to. You enjoy it. You’ve already stated you like meeting the people, etc. and that’s great! I get sad because people drive me crazy. Now, I’m getting a headache and that’s definitely not good for me! At my age, anything could put me in the grave…you people should be nicer to me. :-)

            • Aldo

              I treat all people the same. I’m gonna get old too.

            • Jorge

              NOBODY AT A WEDDING GIVES A SHIT ABOUT CAMERAS! NOBODY. LOL Especially the B&G — if you are doing your job right.
              AND if someone approaches me to talk cameras, then I’m not doing enough moving around and shooting, Shame on me.

            • Aldo

              You can shoot a wedding with the d100 and no one will notice… you miss the point.

            • bob2

              +1000
              You are way too insecure if you are worried about guests’ cameras at a wedding. Most people have non-photo jobs, so they can afford really nice equipment, better than pros. For pros its about getting paid. For amateurs its about enjoying the experience.

              If you are paying attention to guests’ cameras, you are not paying enough attention to the job, so you are BY DEFINITION doing a lousy job and Uncle Joe WILL take better pictures. Get some therapy about your insecurities.

            • Aldo

              “they can afford really nice equipment, better than pros” Do you get paid the same as a janitor or something? You mean any non-photo job is better paid therefore they have better equipment than you? It’s not about turning a wedding into a camera show. It’s about giving your customer options when they get their final product. Whether they get 5mp, 12mp, 20mp, 36mp or 50+ mp files it should be something that perhaps they may be interested to know? Why should you decide for them? because you know what’s best? or because you are obsessed over your old equipment? Why shoot HD if SD is good enough if you are a videographer? even though there are 4k tvs out there? You wouldn’t tell your customer they are getting an SD video because you love your camera so much that you don’t wanna upgrade to HD? You don’t know how the future will unfold, therefore it is your responsibility as a professional to think beyond your own opinion.

            • Jorge

              I use both the D700 and D800 for weddings but prefer the D700 for most shots. I’ve never, ever, ever had anyone question why a guest has, or had a better camera. I’m the one being paid, and I run the show. Uncle Joe can go F’Aunt Sarah in the bathroom and not get in my way with a phone that pretty much reduces the image down to 5mp anyway. LOL

            • Aldo

              The new nokia phone has about 40mp not 5. The d700 is a proven camera… but it does not have the versatility of the d800. I shoot mostly at 20 mp jpeg. some raw @ 36 some raw @ 15mp (dx). and some jpegs at 15mp dx. As a previous owner of the d700, I prefer the d800.

            • Tommy Botello

              You go on about how you’re such a pro yet you state that you shoot in mostly jpeg? I shoot my weddings with 2 D700 bodies and never have any problems, but I would not want to shoot 3000+ images with a D800.

            • Aldo

              This discussion isn’t about shooting more images. If you think only pros shoot raw… then everyone with an dslr is a pro. I have also shot at all the resolutions mentioned above and have not had any issues =]

            • Eric

              I have shot weddings with both the D700 and D800. I have made beautiful prints up to 20×24 with the D700. When I do formal shots, I use a portable lighting set up with a nice big octa, an assistant, reflectors, etc. I seriously doubt “Uncle Joe’s” camera phone with LED flash is going to produce the same type of results. People pay wedding photographers for their skill, not their camera.

            • Aldo

              This isn’t about image quality Eric (refer to previous comments) … But if you wanna go there, give uncle Joe an overcast and a kick azz background. All of a sudden right there, with a little luck… among dozens of bad pictures he takes a picture that the bride falls in love with. It happens to be similar to one of your shots, but yours has 12mp… his has 40. He captures a lot of detail on the background (more than what’s really needed fort prints, but who cares? it’s there).

            • zoetmb

              It’s a mixed bag. On the one hand, there is a perception among the general public that a high-quality camera makes the photographer.

              They don’t realize that there’s nothing more insulting then seeing one of my photographs, one that I’m proud of, and then saying, “oh, you must have a good camera”. I always ask them if when they meet an author of a book they say to him or her, “oh, you must have a very expensive computer and word processor!”

              A great photographer has a great eye, knows how to use lighting and especially in wedding photography, knows how to work with people to bring out their best.

              Some years ago, I attended a wedding (not as the photographer) and the b&g put disposable film cameras on every table. I shot a pic of the b&g cutting their wedding cake using that $10 camera and it was the bride’s favorite photo, far better than anything the pro took.

              On the other hand, when people pay for a service, they expect that pro to look and act like a pro. And whether it’s truly meaningful or not, having pro equipment that is beyond the means of the amateurs in the room is part of a pro’s image. I might be able to get great photographs using a cardboard pinhole camera, but if that’s what I show up with, the b&g are not going to be happy. When wedding photographers used to shoot 4×5, especially for the portraits, they truly looked like pros and customers understood their value.

              But photographers also have to be secure enough in their own abilities to not be intimidated by amateurs with cameras (as long as they don’t get in their way.) I came back from a trip and and happened to have my cameras in my car when I attended a cousin’s wedding and they asked me to shoot a bit, even though they had a pro. I shot candids only and mainly extreme closeups using my 200mm. They loved my photos, but I could see that the pro was pissed.

            • Aldo

              I love how you understand that to a bride and groom, a picture from a disposable camera could be their favorite photo.

            • Jeff Hunter

              Explain to them that when it comes to cameras “lens size” makes all the difference!

            • John Baxter Photography

              Whinging about storage costs is NOT what a professional photographer does.
              Thus in my opinion your opinion is a speculation from a wannabe

            • Rafa R

              since you judge so easily in my opinion you probably have a D3100 and wish you were a Pro, but haven’t finished 10th grade yet, and you are a Troll, plain and simple. I have a D3x, D800 and D700 and I shoot advertising and I am not talking about storage, as a professional I worry about every single detail in the production process, storage, workflow, and every little detail has a repercussion in my works pricing, guess your mind only took you so far .. right? storage.. lol

            • Rafa R

              I dont even shoot weddings, I mentioned the issue cause the D700 was and is very popular among wedding photographers.

            • MyrddinWilt

              A 2Tb drive costs $100 these days. So 300gb is $15.

              If you can afford $3000 for the camera the cost of storage is peanuts.

            • Rafa R

              100 usd in the US I guess! can you buy some for me ? in my country they cost a lot more. And never mind the storage, you need a powerful computer to process those images, but if you are a monitor photographer and always shoot Jpegs or always convert Raw files to small Jpegs I understand.

            • Sundra Tanakoh

              Because the D800 is NOT a wedding camera. I don’t think it was ever intended to be nothing more than a studio or landscape camera.

            • Jeff Hunter

              I’ve made some pretty damn good bird-in- flight action shots with the D800.

            • Rafa R

              I agree, I dont even shoot weddings, but the D700 was the weddings photographers camera for its high speed low light AF, and high ISO (for the time) capabilities. The D800 does not have a fast AF system neither high ISO capabilities. in my opinion. I shoot fashion and advertising and I think the D800 is way too slow for fashion too. Imma wait for the D4x I guess

            • Jeff Hunter

              The D800 has a very fast AF system. I’ve done many successful bird-in-flight photos with it. Frames-per-second are obviously much slower than the D4 and the D800’s buffer fills up much quicker due to the RAW file size. So, in that respect, it is slow compared to the D4, but the focusing function of the camera is definitely not slow. The ISO range is a bit less than the D4, but I’ve achieved very satisfactory results at the high end.

            • Jeff Hunter

              If you do not own a D800 you have no idea the cropping power at your disposal. You can shoot with high-grade 200mm glass and crop down to the equivalent of an 800 to 1000mm lens. People who do not own the D800 have no idea what they’re missing. It is a superb 35mm FX camera!

            • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

              I have to agree, the D800 is an amazing camera.

            • Christoph Malin

              I agree too. The cropping power of the D800 alone is worth it and it can be used for low light quite well.

            • JKOJ

              I cannot agree more. Even if you crop HALF of the image, you’re still left with ~18mp. Did I just state the obvious? Yup. Cropping power is disgusting with the D800.

            • Jeff Hunter

              I like to think of it this way: the uncropped D800 image is 4912 pixels vertical. A high def TV is 1080 pixels vertical. You have a lot of cropping leeway when cropping to fit a 1080 TV or computer screen. Now, 4K TVs are starting to hit the market. Their vertical dimension is double the 1080 TVs or 2160 pixels top-to-bottom, that still leaves a considerable amount of pixel cropping available while still retaining a screen-filling image! Just imagine how stunning an uncropped D800 image will look on a 4K TV screen!

            • HD10

              Maybe but this is not the best way to use the D800. I certainly do not use my D800E and D800 this way. Cropping results in the degradation of the image quality and is best seen when an uncropped image from a lower resolution camera such as the D700 is compared with a cropped image from the D800 but using a wide-angle lens to arrive at an image with the same FOV. Cropping is zero magnification and one should be using a longer lens to gain real magnification – only in this way can the D800 be ahead. The higher-resolution sensor provides the D800 user with a crop option but if the user intended to crop the image from the very start, the D7000 and the D7100 would serve the purpose just as well.

            • Jeff Hunter

              It’s a good way to use a D800 when you can’t afford an $18,000 800mm telephoto lens! Even if you can, who wants to lug a suitcase around to carry the damn thing!
              When you look at a D800 image on, say a 55″ 1080p TV screen, and start cropping in on the image, you are just amazed at the level of detail remaining. That’s when you realize its cropping potential. You’ve got a ton of pixels to burn (crop) when you think of it that way.
              Of course, to get the best image quality, you’ve got to use the best glass.

            • Marcel Speta

              D800 is great camera, no doubts, but for them who know how to use it and when.
              I have it for week and returned back and decided for D3s (still having D700, D300). I thought that the crop capabilities can substitute big telelens… not. In a crop the noise level is slight better than D300 and then it make no sense to have D800 for me. I was shooting couple of days D4, great, but too expensive for hoby. So now i have D3s and thats the camera i like. I do not print more than A3 and then 12Mpx is still enough.
              In regards of D800 there are also other expenses… new very powerfull PC … and lot of disk space + backup etc… finaly too costly

            • Jeff Hunter

              I hear ya. Most of us have financial limits that constrain our choices. It’s nice that Nikon has so many fine camera bodies to choose from that are tailored well for the many individual preferences 35mm shooters have.
              When I got into to digital photography over a year ago after being inactive for nearly 20 years since the film days, I ended up spending way more than I had original thought I would have to spend, to acquire the kit I wanted.
              For me, it’s turned out to be the ideal time to get back into 35mm photography. The camera and post processing quality has greatly matured since digital first hit the market. I’ve had a lot to learn but I’m having a lot of fun doing it!

            • Rafa R

              Crop? only new age photographers do that.. I don’t crop. As Capa used to say, ¨if your pictures are not good enough, your not close enough¨.

            • Jeff Hunter

              You must not shoot a wide variety of subject matter. If I want a photo of a nice large moon I’ve got two choices: spend $18,000 on an 800mm lens or crop my D800 photo shooting through a 200mm lens with a 2x teleconverter. A third option I guess would be to spend a billion dollars on a trip to space to get “close enough”. The same goes for wildlife photography or landscapes, especially when a large sun fits the bill!

              Capa’s specialty was not wildlife or landscape photography. So he could live by that mantra. He also died by that mantra in 1954 in Vietnam, when he got out of the jeep he was riding in to get “close enough” to his subject and stepped on a land mine and later died from his injuries. Probably should have used a telephoto lens, stayed in the jeep and later cropped the image! …just sayin’ ;-)

            • Rafa R

              heh :)

            • zoetmb

              I dunno…I use my D800 for everything, process on my five-year-old Mac and don’t really have any problems. Since most of my work is for the web, I first crop, then usually downsize the image somewhat before doing other post-processing. Then I downsize again at the end of the process. I realize that for print, you probably wouldn’t want to do much downsizing.

              If you’re shooting a wedding and shooting a few thousand images, I can see why you’d have some workflow issues with large images, but I have never and will never shoot that way. I consciously choose moments, not doing the equivalent of pulling video frames. IMO, it’s absurdly inefficient for a photographer to shoot thousands of frames when they’re going to sell 75.

            • Rafa R

              I respect your way of shooting, some photographers shoot a few images thats it (I admire that) , my style is different I shoot a lot.

          • patto01

            While you’re correct from a marketing standpoint, the D800 is not the general purpose workhorse the D700 is/was. In fact, the D800 and D600 were designed to split that market; neither one replacing it individually.

            • El Aura

              Not only split the market but also attract a lot new customers to FF with something significantly cheaper.

              And the cost of storage per image has actually gone down. Looking at the trends for storage prices (http://www.jcmit.com/disk2012.htm), you’ll see a price reduction by a factor of ten. In the 3.5 years between the release of the D700 and the D800, the prices thus roughly fell to a fifth, but the resolution only increased by a factor of 3. Thus the storage price per image of the D800, at launch time, was only 60% that of the D700.

            • El Aura

              … by a factor of ten every five years.

            • Antonio

              “attract a lot new customers to FF with something significantly cheaper”

              Unless it was already existing users with full FX lenses, i call it bad market research.
              the body is lower cost, but the lenses are the same.
              Going from DX to FX is considerably expensive. And you loose some stuff, gain some stuff (read bythom.com , his articles on the two formats are pin point on all this). For the majority of the market, ie, all the volume, I really doubt FX is an answer… and not only because of cost.
              Also, 36MP have more disadvantages than just the cost of storage…
              Not all is abt money in and of itself ;)

            • patto01

              Storage prices may have gone down but I haven’t bought a new computer in that time and the processing power of my current model hasn’t increased at all! While there’s not a significant difference in processing a 16mp file and a 36mp file, there IS a big difference when you’re processing several hundred. Combine that with the fact that my last act is usually to reduce resolution to something less than 16mp, well…

            • MyrddinWilt

              Then buy a new computer with the money you would have spent on the camera.

              We are talking about camera systems that cost $5000 just for one body and a lens, $10K for a minimal pro rig.

              Saying you can’t pony up the $800 it costs to buy a decent spec machine at costco is saying you can’t afford this game.

            • patto01

              You’re missing the overall point. If I had to spend a few thousand dollars (I wouldn’t buy a computer from Costco) for a computer to process the files I want, that would be fine. Why should I spend anything to get files I don’t need or want? The D800 is a great camera for people who want or need it. It’s just not for me and I’m not going to get one just because some of you think anything else is crap! Why can’t you people be happy with your choices without insisting everyone else make the same ones???

            • iamlucky13

              Which is so obvious that I’m at a complete loss why this argument happens over and over and over again any time the D800 or D600 gets mentioned.

              Yes, we all know the D800 wasn’t the camera many people wanted, but guess what:

              A direct replacement for the D700 is not coming. Nikon pursued a divergent strategy.

              Maybe if we wait long enough, in 3-4 years when the D800 reaches the end of its marketing life, they’ll shift their strategy again.

              In the meantime, either continue to enjoy the fantastic camera that is your D700, or quit griping and choose between the D600 and D800 already.

            • patto01

              I wasn’t complaining, just re-stating a fact that people keep forgetting when they insist that the D800 is the successor of the D700. I bought the D600 because that half of the split fit me better than the D800 half. If I had the justification, or expendable income, I’d buy the D800 as well for landscape/portraits.

            • jorge

              Own both: D700 Since 2010 and D800 since 2012.
              In my work, 2 different animals. D700 for action, people, kids etc. — not to say I don’t use the D800 for that it’s just I tend to pick up the D700 for action more than the 800.
              The D800 for Landscape work. Slow, deliberate work… Just like my Mamiya 645AFD – tripod, MUP, remote. To me, it seems that’s where this camera rocks it.

            • Sahaja

              I think FX will become sort of the new MF and for the majority DX is fine for action, people, kids etc.

            • CrispyBuffalo

              Thank you Trey Radcliff.

            • inamgreen

              Thats why above a lot of people are saying they want D700 upgrade. D800 is not an upgrade to D700, its just another good camera in their line up.

              For speed the only FF nikon sells is D4 which is $6,000. They need something like Canon 7D or maybe in FF.

            • Sahaja

              Yes the D800 wasn’t the camera many people wanted – but it was the camera many people didn’t realise they wanted.

              Both the D600 and D800 are great – too bad they were both plagued with initial QC problems which should never have happened.

            • MyrddinWilt

              Amusingly, the people who drone on about the lack of a D700 successor are the same people who gloat about the ‘end of pro DX’.

              The D610 and the D7100 are essentially the same sort of beast, they are a not quite pro level body with a pro sensor, AF motor and most of the pro controls. But because they are not quite up to the D300s/D800 build quality they are rejected as being ‘unworthy’.

              The D700 was an utterly bizarre marketing decision for Nikon. They took the flagship camera and sold it for half the price with virtually nothing left out. It was a one off that was only brought about by the fact that Nikon only had one FX sensor to sell. The people who bought it will never feel that there is a worthy successor unless Nikon does the exact same thing again. They just don’t get the fact that the D4 is purpose built for newspaper photographers and there is neither the demand nor the business case for selling the D4 sensor half price.

            • Jeff Hunter

              Newspaper photographers are a rapidly dying breed. If Nikon is relying on them to make the D4 a success, they’re doomed!

            • MyrddinWilt

              Oh very much so. But there will still be a demand for news and sports pictures. The Web is actually hungrier for those than print was.

              But the D4 is still optimized for that crowd. Of course Nikon understand that their big market is the professional studio photographer. Which is why I think that Nikon and Canon will both launch high end bodies that are optimized for that market. A D4x with a 50MP sensor is obvious.

              Rehashing the 12MP sensor like the folk here want is not going to happen.

            • Jeff Hunter

              Yes. For today’s commercial print media and commercial photo media to survive it will have to make a successful transition to digital versions of publications.
              Specialty magazines are more likely to succeed in a digital world in their current subscription business model. But news and sports publications will not survive if they have to depend on subscription fees to realize a profit.
              News and sports information is just too widely disseminated and easy to obtain free on the internet. News and sports TV networks all have web pages available for free access. Why would I pay a subscription fee to a news or sports magazine or newspaper when I can get that info for free?
              On the other hand I subscribe to Outdoor Photographer, Popular Photography, Photo District News and both National Geographic publications all in digital format because of my passion for photography. The info found in these publications is not as easily to be found for free. I sure do love that Zinio reader and being able to carry all my magazines around on my tablet or laptop.

            • zoetmb

              The problem is that almost all of Nikon’s market is dying. Nikon is now projecting a 6% drop in DSLR/Mirrorless sales, a 33% decline in P&S sales and an almost 7% decline in lens sales, but I think those estimates will decline again when they release the 2nd quarter numbers in October.

              Amateurs are using smartphone cameras more and more (and I have to admit, frequently getting pretty good results). Someone who wants something a bit better is buying mirrorless (although industry mirrorless sales are down 24% through June). Many low-end DSLR users (who never bought a lens other than the kit lens) are leaving their DSLR at home. The mid-line DSLR market seems saturated. Pro-photographers outside of the top 300 or so are suffering and many newspapers are dumping their pro staffs. So while high-fashion, advertising and the remaining sports photographers will still buy the high end of the line, there’s fewer of them. That leaves the rich enthusiast, who probably spend more than any other Demo, but I’m not sure that’s a growing market either (and they probably prefer Leica).

              Without a major leap in technology, I don’t think we’re again going to see the kind of enthusiasm and sales that accompanied the introduction of the D70. Nikon sold more of those in the first year than the Nikon F sold in its entire lifespan. Nikon cannot survive just selling to pros.

              In spite of the fact that macho photographers need large, heavy equipment to satisfy their egos, I think cameras and lenses are going to have to get smaller and lighter. I yearn for the days of carrying around an Olympus OM1 and a really small 50mm 1.2, which made even the Nikkormat seem like an old bloated camera. I rarely even carried a camera case. Now my regular bag (one body, four lenses, flash, monopod, small microphone for video) is about 50 pounds.

            • Sahaja

              Not sure the D7100 and D600 build quality is actually inferior. Sure it uses different materials but we don’t hear many complaints about either breaking – and Nikon claim the weather sealing on the D600 is as good as on the D800.

            • French fries

              In fact D800 sensor is in a sense more valuable then D4 sensor. Reduce the file size of the D800 in post to 16.2MP and you’ll have the exact same picture quality up until ISO 25600.

              You don’t get the speed of a D4, but you’ll get a camera that can record better detail with D800.

            • MyrddinWilt

              Yep, the D800 is a better camera if you don’t care for frame rate. But Nikon has traditionally had two digital flagship models, high speed and high resolution. So the D800 is the best right now, but it will probably be bested.

            • HD10

              The D700-successor is not a question of using the D4 sensor and selling it at half price. The D4 sensor is good but so is the 24mp & 36mp FF sensor and Nikon can sell the two sensors at a lower price than the D4.

              The matter of a D700-successor is rather making a camera that has the best balance of features people want in an FX camera. The D700 did this. Many would like an updated version of this.

              The D700-successor is not an issue of using the D4 sensor. Rather than use the 16mp D4 sensor, I think more would people would actually prefer the 24mp FX sensor in a D800 body as the D700-successor.

            • js200022

              You’re absolutely right. The D700 is one of the best camera ever built and it is clear now that Nikon made it by mistake. Sad but true.

            • RichMonster

              Shame that, but true! I’d love a D4-a-like. D700 is a great camera, D800 too! D700 style 16Mp super fast beast would be awesome.

            • Marcel Speta

              all of us would love… especially wildlifers. I am not willing to carry 3 DSLR Bodies, because of Nikon marketing! D700 was/is the best camera ever. If going light, just taking the grip off … i have D3s and if traveling i am often thinking wheter to take D700 without grip or D3s. Last time D700 won :-)
              … and that’s the reason why many of us requires D700 successor. D4 and D800 are great cameras. But some of us needs something in between … and for travelers option to use AA battery is worthy as well …

            • zoetmb

              The issue with the D600 and D7100 is not just the build quality but the lack of physical controls. That’s why I rejected the D600 for my own use. I sampled it over and over, but from a control standpoint, it was a downgrade from my D200 – I just couldn’t get comfortable with it. I couldn’t wait any longer for the D400, which I would have preferred, so I went for the extra bucks and bought the D800. I don’t regret it now, but it certainly was a hit to the pocketbook at the time. I would have rather spent the difference on a lens.

              So while I certainly don’t think the D600 and D7100 are “unworthy”, they weren’t for me. They do hit a certain “sweet spot” for many photographers. Not everyone has $3K to spend on a body. I do believe that the D800 was the successor to the D700, like it or not. I know it’s slightly slower, but at least for the kind of photography I do, it doesn’t affect me one bit. Even for action, I find myself shooting slower, otherwise subsequent frames are almost exactly the same. If I get two frames with the same eye blink, I know I’m shooting too fast.

            • Patrick

              I’m quite certain I’m not the only person around who would immediately buy a D800 body with a D4 sensor in it.

        • Rafa R

          BTW Who’s uncle Joe?

          • patto01

            Umm… I’ll bite. Who IS uncle Joe?

      • Rafa R

        not in my opinion and I have Both

        • humenbean

          I’d like some explination on this. I have used both cameras a good share and can clearly tell how the D800 was the replacement. It may not have been as simple as 1+1=2, but it’s there. In my mind the D800 skipped a beat. They could have had a camera released between the two. Huge sensor, great low noise, video, same body size, full frame, raw, raw video with ninja… It was also stated a long time ago that Nikon wanted to take the D700 and split it apart. Go a bit higher and a bit lower. Thus the D600 and the D800. You are splitting hairs at a certain point. Yes the D610 is silly, but so would a D700 replacement at this point.

          • kotozafy

            The D800 cannot shoot at 8 FPS !

            • Markus Arike

              And the D700 does not have 36 mp nor does it shoot video.

            • callibrator

              So that’s the best argument you could find?

              How old are you, 5 !?

            • Ted

              Actually, that is a reason why I didn’t buy the D800. I want a fast FPS, full frame camera that isn’t $6,000. No, the D600 still doesn’t meet the criteria, and I would like to maintain my compact flash cards too.

            • Remedy

              I want car that is 0-100km/h 2.5 seconds fast, that uses as much fuel as a scooter, that can take comfortably 6 people, that is stacked with all the luxury and yet weighting only as much as a golf cart and that costs only 10000 euro. Yeah….

            • mike

              they’re not going to allow it to cannibalize the sales of the D4

            • Kafkiano

              I will never buy a D4, but I would buy a “real” D700 update. It is simple, only a few people can buy the D4. By other side a D700 update would not be a cheap one, and in my opinion at the end it woud be a better deal for Nikon.

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              That’s true, a D800 bearing the D4 sensor would be the most wanted camera in the market…

            • Mauricio Fernandez

              At 32MP you expect that speed on a non professional body? The D700 was only 12MB if I remember correctly.

            • Remedy

              …and D700 can’t shoot video, nor can it go ISO100 natively, nor does it have 14 stops dynamic range, nor does it have dual card slot, nor does it have 100% viewfinder coverage, nor does it have intervalometer, nor does it have clean HDMI output, nor does it have 5:4 ratio nor 1.2 crop. So to sum it up WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!! 8FPS is all it takes to be D700 replacement? Seriously? A camera is going to be determined by monkeys shooting mindless sucker punch burst modes hoping for a good picture? There are already tools for that D3s or D4. Simple as that. Get some fking grip with reality dude.

            • Global

              Ugh — we want a SUPER HIGH-ISO full-frame — not a damn megapixel warrior that renders our lenses useless and clogs up our computers. The D800 is cleaner than the D700, so it is a proper upgrade — you are right and good for you. But the problem is that it didn’t concentrate on ISO or speed. So people taking pictures in low light didn’t feel any significant advance at all — Nikon COMPLETELY skipped that entire (huge) demographic of shooters who hate Flash. Second, yes, cameras are judged on bursts, because you’ll NEVER be able to time sports action or moving objects any better than VR can… and VR gets it wrong all the time. So what’s the solution there? Burst. Maybe you’re the one who should get a grip on the realities of non-mega pixel based photography (which has nothing to do whatsoever with video, thank you).

            • cobby64

              Stop trying hard to convince us. The D800 doesn’t upgrade everything the D700 had and so it is a new category of camera then as Nikon put it.

              Someone shoots a 7fps camera and the newer version does 3fps and that is an upgrade?

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              The D800 DOES replace the D3x…

            • Starfires

              I’d agree here. Despite the smaller body, this is the camera (aimed at fashion/landscape pro users) which it most closely updates. Nikon never claimed it was the new D700.

              The situation is more like a return to the D2H/D2X models, where you choose between speed for pros (D2H/D4), or resolution (D2X/D800). D3/D700 was one camera for everything, though sensors have developed a lot since then.

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              OTOH, D4’s densor in D800 body would provide a D700 replacement… and that 16mp sensor (which is of my main use – I also have D800E and multishot MFDB) has qualities at low ISO (the higher ISO ones are well known) that are well beyond the older 12mp sensor. It even has qualities that some (me among them) would prefer a D4 than a D3X (which i also used to have) for landscape… no mater how odd some may find the above statement. IMO, Nikon’s 16mp sensor isn’t only the best sensor around for low light, but also the most balanced one for all kinds of photography (among FF that is – MF is different).

            • Kafkiano

              An update is just an update, not a revolution. A full format camera with a last generation sensor, some more pixels for larger prints (not 36), good shutter speed and excellent low light capacity, would be the “real” D700 update.

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              The D610 is no update to D600 (no matter what the number or NR suggests) it’s a new camera that will be much better specified than D600 and will go along with it (at a much lower price) until D400 (FF) arrives.

            • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

              Is that your opinion, or you know something that I don’t?

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              If you let back my (very important) messages I will tell you, if you don’t I won’t be posting here anymore.

            • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

              I am not sure I understand, what important message are you talking about?

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              The rumor before D600 announcement was for 1400/1500 price… this rumor was based on the fact that an FF product is of 140-155% higher price than a similarly build and specified APS-c DSLR… However, Nikon decided to price the camera at 220% the price of the D7K which clearly meant that Nikon was testing the space for 2 FX cameras, one at the rumor price (1400/1500) and another in between that and D800 (about 2k and above)… However, since there was no competition at the days and the higher price of the two cameras was the cheapest FF product and since the two products where going to be named D4xx and D6xx lines according to their naming policy, where an FX product has 3digits and even starting number as opposed to DX products that all have 4digits and odd starting number, Nikon decided to build D400 first (40-50% higher price than the DX equivalent D7K) but name it and price it as D600 since there was “empty” space to induce such a policy.
              Now we are to the next step where the real D6xx series will be introduced (D610) and thus D600 will drop to its “original” price category (the D4xx series price category) and will continue along with the (much better specified) D610 until the (FX) D400 will be introduced.

            • Kyle Farris

              Best comment I have ever seen on this website.

            • neruoicurn

              If you need 8 FPS maybe you could stop being bad at photography.

            • Terry Clark

              If they’re shooting major sports, then it would make sense to have a high fps rate. In that case, pony up for a D4 and you have 10 fps. Play with the big dogs or get off the porch.

              But if you’re only making pictures of little Bobby spraying mashed carrots thru this nose, or Bobby Sue getting bent backward in that oh so fake romantic wedding pose, in that case, better work on your timing a bit more. You do not need 8 fps to capture most things.

            • Kafkiano

              Also you don’t need 36 megapixels to do photo reports.

            • Starfires

              Why should only major sports shooters get high fps? Local sports, school sports, hobby sports, kids playing, wildlife, anything moving in fact benefits from that option. Saying it’s only desirable for well-off pros is just too elitist. It’s like saying that Nikon is Leica for sports shooters… can they afford to be?

              What really seems to be happening is most people want more resolution for a camera to attract them, so 16mp wouldn’t sell well in any case. I’d personally want more than 20, for cropping and acuity. Dealing with 24mp-36mp of data is quite taxing, so it’s only when the new processors arrive that Nikon’s ‘enthusiast’ cameras will get back to higher frame-rates.

            • chk

              So.. all professional sports and wildlife photographers around the world which buy and use the D4 are just bad photographers. Yes.

              What are you doing with your photos? Living with them? Because those “bad” photographers most likely are.

              Please, the D700 has not been replaced in anyway by D800. D700 was a ‘mini’ and ‘cheap’ D3, it was even improved in some aspects (see the dust reduction system on the sensor which the D3 was missing).

              D800 is NOT a mini D4, is another kind camera. So now fast fps photographers who own a D700 or a D300 are left with no successors.
              D800 is no good for those, d7100 neither because both lack fast (and long) fps feature.
              Maybe nikon did this to try to sell more D4, but the price jump between a d700 and a D4 is immense.. so everyone’s just keeping their D700 and D300..

            • Kafkiano

              I agree with you. I’m keeping my D700.

          • koenshaku

            Would be nice to have a D700S though with 24mp 51AF points and 7fps continuous shooting.

            • Grey Tan

              I hope that’ll be the D610

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              No matter what NR states, D610 will be a much better specified camera than D600… (and AF will definitely be the 51 point system), in fact D610 is not D600 replacement… the two cameras will continue alongside each other (after a generous price reduction that will bring it down to the coming D400 value) until finally the D400 will be introduced which will be the “real” D600 replacement.

            • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

              not sure about that

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              You may not be, but I am… the current D600 IS (what should be) the D400… the first rumors about 1400-1500 pricing were right! It was a marketing decision to build D400, name it and price it like D6xx series and then drop the price and introduce the real D6xx series… This is common marketing practice when competition is absent… In Nikon policy, three digit even starting number is FX, four digit odd starting number is DX… What DPR TROLLS (and other “gurus”) post about “pro body DX D400″ has always being just trolling…

            • Theodoros Fotometria

              D400 will be an equivalent to D600 specification camera, only different to some irrelevant details… the introduction of D610, only means that D400 (FX) is coming… only that it is already here with D600 sold at the “right” price!

            • http://maniacwcamera.blogspot.com/ Hugo Chikamori

              The D610 would only be a replacement if it lost the “idiot dial”.

          • Kafkiano

            A D610 could be the “real” D700 update. I have the last one and still I’m waiting for a suitable update.

        • RichMonster

          Not in my opinion either. D700 and D800 get used for completely different tasks by me. I’d not dream of using the D800 for product shots that will only be used on line or for medium sized output. D800 comes out to play only when I need mega quality. D600 sits between both needs, so is no D700 replacement. It doesn’t have the feature set I use either (commonly use the 10 x multi exposure found only on the semi-pro spec cameras and up)

        • Mr. Mamiya

          From a viewpoint of facts your or everybody else’s opinion, or wether it can shoot 8 fps or not, wether it is suitable or overkill for weddings or wether it is a specialized or general purpose camera, is irrelevant: the D700 went out of production, the D800 came, it IS the replacement.

      • Pablo Ricasso returned

        No it isn’t. If you knew the differences between the D700 and D800 you would know why.

        • Aldo

          the difference is 100

          • JakeB

            That stuff you’re drinking isn’t doing you much good…

          • CY

            Actually D800 – D700 = D100
            :-)

            • joshimi

              D-D = D ?

            • Cy

              5a-3a=2a
              a(5)-a(3)=a(2)

        • carlo simich

          True. D800 lives in a different category.

        • El Aura

          I know the differences between a D3 and a D800 because I own(ed) both.

          • patto01

            How does that relate to Pablo’s comment?

      • Jorg

        It’s not. I own both…

      • Ласточка ¢

        director of regional department nikon says D800 is the D3X replacement

        • kotozafy

          Clearly it IS

        • Rafa R

          mmmmm definitely not, I have a D3x, D800 and D700 .. and my favorite camera still is the D3x , best skin tones period. The D800 may have a lot of latitude and dynamic range, but skin tones suck big time, compared to the D3x, rent one, you´ll see.

        • Rafa R

          Also the D3x is strong as a tank, my D800 and the vertical grip don’t get along too well and it had to go to Nikon for back focusing problems, my D3x just recently reached 380,000 actuations and still sounds and works like a Mercedes Benz.. love it.

      • Alan

        4 fps, 36mp, maybe next time charlie.

        • Aldo

          or 6 fps @ 15mp…

      • Marcel Speta

        definitely is not. That’s reason i still have D700 + D3s and D300 for crop…. waiting for D400 or D800 with 8fps at least in DX mode….

    • Hugo

      No logical reason? They can’t give the D600 away, their appaling customer service over the oil issue condemned it- that and the DX autofocus module. Fix just those two things and I’ll buy one!

      • http://www.jasonwaltman.com/ Jason Waltman

        I have a D600. I had the oil issue and I miss the pro-level AF from my D300s. If they put the AF unit from the D4/D800 in the D610, I’ll sell my D600 and upgrade right away.

        • Bruce Crossan

          Jason – my experience too and my thoughts exactly. Nikon have just replaced the entire shutter mechanism in my D600. I too miss the fantastic AF that I had in the D300

          • http://www.jasonwaltman.com/ Jason Waltman

            My shutter was also replaced a number of months ago. The dust/oil issue is better, but the AF is still…meh. It’s just not as snappy as my D300s was! But my biggest problem with it right now is the huge backfocus when shooting in yellow light. In daylight, I’m mostly good. But, inside with tungsten light is just not accurate at all. I like most everything about the D600 and even can live with some of the compromises (1/4000th max shutter, only 3 frames of bracketing, etc.). I just wish they nailed the autofocus.

        • lala

          If nikon come out a camera which has 5d markiii spec with amazing dynamic range it will be a killer.

      • Brad Wellington

        You should check your facts before spouting unsubstantiated references to Nikon D600 sales.

        On the contrary, D600 sells very well indeed, and I would know, as someone who’s being employed by one of the largest camera chains in US.

    • Photoretouchpro

      The D700 replacement came from Canon+$1000. I did not like the lenses or image quality and settled for D600. I do miss the d700 frame rate and viewfinder from time to time.

    • Leo C

      the reason is to solve the dust and oil issue

  • waterengineer

    So are these rumors in addition to or instead of the phantom D400?

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      There were no D400 rumors. Just expectations.

      • Paul
        • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

          Did you even read the post? This the D400 info/rumor posted by Nasim Mansurov
          Quote:

          “As of today, I have not received a single reliable piece of information indicating that the D400 even exists. In my 2013 predictions, I mentioned that the 7000 and D300 product lines could merge. After the D7100 announcement we have been getting conflicting reports from Nikon in terms of the future of the high-end DX camera line.”
          Read more on NikonRumors.com: http://nikonrumors.com/2013/05/31/nikon-d400-rumors-are-back.aspx/#ixzz2dOPJs2KG

          • Paul

            I did read the post; my comment was meant to point out how tongue-in-cheek it was for a site called “Nikon Rumors” to publish numerous articles with “D400 Rumors” in the titles and then claim that “[t]here were no D400 rumors”. :)

            • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

              Yes, I also report rumors from other websites, but obviously I cannot confirm them. I’ve said numerous times that I have not received a single reliable info on the D400 and this is still true today.

      • NRA Advocate

        Here, here.

        • JohnW

          Actually it’s Hear, Hear. And why would you cheer the lack of any reliable info of a D400. Do you not want other Nikon users to get the particular camera they want?

  • Brimstin

    Among other things, I’d really like to see the D610 autofocus area cover a larger portion of the frame.

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      I don’t think this will happen. The D600 is considered entry level full frame camera and Nikon wants you to upgrade to the D800/D4 to get better AF coverage.

      • Antonio

        or buy DX… now only if they gave us a D400…
        what a miss… really poor mkt research in eur/usa

        • Plug

          Just look around at all the comments. Virtually nobody is saying that they intend to buy one of these rumoured bodies. Had this been a rumoured D400 many, many would already have posted that they would buy on the day of announcement. It is difficult to fathom Nikon.

          • NRA Advocate

            Not difficult to fathom at all — the trend is larger sensors in smaller bodies, not the other way ’round. Nikon is FINISHED making pro-spec DX cameras, pure and simple.

            Figure it out.

            • Michael Sloan

              I think Nikon is the one that needs to “Figure it out”, as there is a huge market for a new pro-spec DX camera. I would like a D400 to replace my D300 and go along with my D4. My reason for wanting a D400 is different than most; I simply want a camera body that offers me a DX sensor with high pixel density, in a package that offers the kinds of controls I want on a camera. I’ve owned the D300, D3, D700, and now the D4. All of those cameras provide me an instant familiarity and feel that hasn’t been replicated in the D5xxx or D7xxx series cameras. And yes, I bought and tried the D7000, but I never even fired the shutter release! After familiarizing myself with the controls and realizing it wasn’t for me, I decided to sell it. Since I got a screaming deal (saved $600) by buying two discounted FX lenses with the D7000, I sold the camera as brand new with no shutter clicks to a guy who preferred the smaller camera format; he was stepping up from D5XXX if I remember correctly.
              Anyway, you might ask why DX if all you own is FX glass. I just want the cropped sensor for extra reach; I prefer DX over a teleconverter, or sometimes in conjunction with a TC, depending on what I’m doing. The D300 sensor is long in the tooth now, and what Nikon did with the D7100 sensor is simply amazing. Also, my friends will tell you that I’m hard on gear, so those machined magnesium alloy bodies are my preference.
              Although Nikon may be setting the trend by putting FX sensors in entry level cameras, ask yourself if they are really selling any more gear. With entry level FX DSLRs, they are also offering new entry level FX lenses which seem to be diluting their engineering resources. Long overdue FX lenses and gaps in their lineup is the reality I see; not to mention third party lens manufactures are better positioned to sell more glass to this new group of budget oriented FX owners. It seems lately the only way Nikon is moving stock is through fire sales. They need to REALLY listen to what people are saying, “Build the D400 and I will buy one.”
              Unfortunately, I think Nikon is going down the same path that nearly bankrupted GM; they are building products that few people want, with the exception of the occasional Corvette or Camaro.

            • NRA Advocate

              Just because lots of folks in forums are screaming for a D400 doesn’t mean there’s a market for it. If there were, Nikon would be the first to fill it, I’m sure. Nikon is a company that DOES take input from pros when developing pro equipment.

              Guess not enough pros want a crop sensor anymore.

            • Michael Sloan

              Maybe the D800 gives the pros enough resolution and they don’t mind cropping. I’m sure Nikon does take input from pros, in fact I know they do. However, if you look at the sheer number of D300’s sold versus that of D3’s, or the amount of DX glass sold versus FX glass, you would quickly realize that it isn’t the pros that keep Nikon afloat, its the enthusiasts, the soccer mom’s, and your average Joe that give Nikon the bulk of their profits.

            • NRA Advocate

              Yeah … of course.

              Which is another reason they’re not going to build a pricey, “pro-level” DX camera.

            • Foolishcfo

              Why do you believe Nikon is done with pro-level DX cameras? Given that the word is Canon has put off a 7D Mark II until next year it appears Nikon is playing sheep and following Canon’s lead. There will be a D400 or equivalent once Canon updates the 7D. For whatever reason Nikon doesn’t feel like taking the lead.

          • El Aura

            Were there ever comments on this site saying they would by an entry-level DSLR?

          • MyrddinWilt

            Not really. The cost of updating the D600 to the D610 is trivial and it addresses an important marketing need of burying the oil on sensor issue.

            The D5200 and D7100 are the two cameras that make most of the revenues and so of course they get priority for updates. The D5000 and D3000 are likely to get updates every year.

            Bringing out a D400 is going to require a new case and circuit board, likely a new sensor as well. So it is a much bigger engineering cost to deliver it.

            The reason we haven’t seen one this year is likely the fact that the D7100 was a higher priority and has only just got its refresh this year.

            If the D5300 has WiFi then the D610 will likely have the same. It would make little sense to announce a tasty feature on a low end model then announce an update to a much higher end product that doesn’t have the same. Eventually WiFi will be added to the whole range just like video was added in.

            I think a D400 will come, it would be daft not to. But my guess would be that it will be like the 80-400, only for the birds. The 24MP sensor is a bit ho-hum when the D800 delivers 16 DX MP. A 36MP sensor would be more interesting. It would also be an opportunity to test the market for a carbon fibre Nikon.

            • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

              That’s correct, the D610 will not need a lot of R&D just like the SB-910.

            • DavidB

              So is it your contention that the 610 is simply a labeling/marketing change, or that they’re going to build a whole new shutter assembly and call it the 610? I don’t know that changing the name is going to be enough for folks to pay more for what they should have gotten in the D600. Changing the AF would be a game changer and wouldn’t necessarily cannibalize the D4/D800 sales as they are about control and resolution more than the D600 which doesn’t natively have the physical controls. It also might eat into 5DMKIII sales as well.

      • desmo

        could the D610 be a D600 with 51point AF
        (similar to the decision Nikon made with D7100)?
        51 pt AF would fix the D600’s main short coming and provide better frame coverage.

  • WHAT?????????

    Oh SHIT!!!!!!!!
    Nikon have totally lost the plot.
    It’s the D500 dumbass.

  • kg

    Hummm. A 610 and a 5300. I don’t think that’s what the market is looking for. A 700 replacement is is needed in the FX line. While one could argue that we don’t “need” a D400, a whole lot of people would buy one.

    • Aldo

      The 610 could be that 700 replacement you are looking for… with a few tweaks.

      • kg

        I doubt it. If it were, it would have come with a higher model number like 710 or similar.

        D600 is an amateur/enthusiast camera, D700 comes with pro-build features and handling.

        • callibrator

          I believe you’re right.

        • Aldo

          That’s why I said it “could” be… depending on what you are looking for on your d700 “replacement”. Unless you are looking for a full metal body, everything else is on the table.

      • Neopulse

        Hate to say this. People will keep bitching unless they start producing the D700 again, no one is going to be happy.

        • MyrddinWilt

          The are going to keep bitching till Nikon will sell them a D4 for D600 money.

  • Rock Kenwell

    I would think that simply a fix for the D600 oil issue would be insufficient to justify a new model. They would have to add some marketable feature like the omission of an OLPF (a la D7100) or an improved AF system. If they don’t increase the frame rate, they can’t append “s” to the model, and if they don’t increase the resolution, they can’t append “x”. Therefore, they could call it a D600e.

    Regarding the D5300, I think it makes more sense to release a D3300 first.

  • Joseph Li

    holy crap…a D610? that’s really UNEXPECTED

  • Williamd

    I sent my 6 month old D600 to Nikon Uk 2 weeks ago for sensor cleaning after major dirt on photos. As of today tracking on website reports awaiting parts. Any one know why it would report that? Are they swapping parts out on these now?

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      I’ve heard that they are replacing the shutter.

      • williamd

        Is that what’s going on? Hopefully it will solve the issue but surely they should be recalling all D600’s.

        • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

          We will never know for sure.

        • Anthony Woodruffe

          It’s called risk management.

          The cost of repairing X number of potential defective units vs. Cost to carry out a full re-call on every unit ever made regardless whether it is faulty or not.

          If it was your money what would you do?

          • To

            Now, there, you are not including the cost in image loss…
            I, for one, have quite less confidence in nikon than when D3/d300 where launched, and now will always wait few months after introductions to buy…

      • RxGus

        This is exactly what I was told when I sent my D600 in the first time (and the second time and the third time…). They said it required moderate repairs and a replacement of a major part. When I spoke with someone from Nikon to confirm they told me they were awaiting a new shutter box and that the whole unit was being replaced- in lew of repairing it.

  • Neopulse

    To be honest, the only real updates it needs are a built in wi-fi or GPS to take advantage of the incomplete magnesium body. More spread out AF-points and the ability to change aperture during video. I think the camera is well balanced as it is. Kinda odd that they offered and update so soon to these models when people expect a D4x/s update first. Think Nikon is feeling pressure to release these reasonably priced bodies to compensate for lost revenue. Hope the D5300 will be weather sealed. Because I can’t believe that Pentax’s lower end DSLRs (like the K-50) are weather sealed with 100% pentaprism and Nikon hasn’t done that kind of update yet.

    • Michael Sloan

      Make minor tweaks to the D600 to fix your engineering faults and rebrand it as the D610 in time for the fourth quarter Holiday sales!!!
      Frank Zappa said it best:
      “You know, no matter what you do,
      They gonna cheat ‘n’ rob you Then they’ll send you a bill
      That’ll get your senses reelin’
      It’s a little bit cheesey,
      But it’s nicely displayed
      Well we don’t get excited when it
      Crumbles ‘n’ breaks
      We just get on the phone
      And call up some flakes
      They rush on over
      ‘n’ wreck it some more
      ‘n’ we are so dumb
      They’re linin’ up at our door”

  • onlyme

    What about the low end D1000 that was mentioned a few weeks ago?
    Is there any news on a P7700 replacement?

  • Jeff Shapiro

    Why don’t they sell a D700 body with a D3s sensor! Tell me this wouldn’t SELL????

    • Joseph Li

      Because that’s going to take away d800 d4 d600 sales. Nikon want you to buy 3 separate bodies and spend 10k, rather than giving you a perfect well rounded camera for 90% of the shooters out there.

      • John

        The D600 is a perfectly well rounded camera for the 90%. The other 10% are serious amateurs and pros, D800 for landscape/studio, D4 for sports. Most folks floating around here are in the 10%, or at least want-a-bes.

        • D600 Owner

          at 15 the d600 is perfect for me. It has a lot of the main features at a great price. It gives me the control I need and takes beautiful images. Very Happy With it.

          • John

            It is a great multi-purpose camera. If you are not hung up on MP or sports, it is perfect. Lots of people complained for a while that Nikon did not have an offering at a lower cost than the D3x, but still had 20 something MPs, like the Canon 5D II. The D600 is it. I also believe that Nikon could have done better on the frame rate if they wanted to. There will never be a one body solution, there could be, but that is not a good marketing strategy. Take a D800 and have a 4:1 and 9:1 binning at 9 MP w/ 10fps, and 4MP w/ >10fps, respectively!

        • patto01

          I would think “serious amateur” would be defined by your habits and passion and “pro,” by getting paid. I have a D600, and meet both sets of qualifications. Personally, I don’t understand why it gets so little respect. It’s not what everyone needs but then, neither is the D800 or D4!

          • Aldo

            I think it is given respect where it deserves. The sensor for the most part.

            • patto01

              Why is it so difficult for people to accept that the features they want/need aren’t always going to be the same as someone else? While I don’t need the D800, I respect its capabilities but, people like you, think anyone who doesn’t have your point of view is somehow less than you and their product choices are inferior.
              You can check: I’ve never dismissed any camera, lens, or whatever. You, on the other hand, feel as if it’s your duty to inform everyone of what is good or bad because we’re too stupid to know what’s good for us!

            • Aldo

              oh wow… I think you are caught up defending your own choices of gear. Everyone knows any decent camera paired up with good skill will produce good quality and interesting images. You are taking this too personal… When someone says something you don’t like about your camera, you take it as an insult? You need to be able to recognize that skill as a photographer is independent of gear. You are seeking respect for your d600 and your 24-85 kit lens when you should be focused on the images you take with them instead. When the d600 came out it was 2100 and a refurbished d800 was like what 2299? a little more maybe? Would I recommend the d800 instead? Of course! But that doesn’t mean you are stupid for choosing the d600 or that you “are less than me”. In the end it’s all about the images… don’t lose sight of that.

            • patto01

              Maybe. It’s easy to slip into that kind of thinking. Perhaps I’ve misread your writings. On the other hand, I don’t so much defend my choices as my right to choose. My comments regarding respect for the D600 could just as easily apply to any camera. If someone were attacking the D800, I’d be the first one to defend it. A lot of people ask my recommendation for cameras and lenses because I ask them about their intended uses and other relevant data before answering. I would never blindly recommend anything, regardless of price.

            • Aldo

              You are to understand that technology has advanced so much than any modern SLR could be a professional camera in the right hands. We are just splitting hairs here among nikon users.

            • patto01

              I agree. It wasn’t my intent to make this a big discussion. Actually, I’m surprised it got any response at all.
              You know, we’re going to have to stop responding to each other so much. My wife is getting suspicious. ;-)

            • Aldo

              Well my wife calls me a “nerd” for coming to this forum.

            • patto01

              At least you understand what your wife is saying. My wife is Japanese and talks about me far too quickly to follow with my limited vocabulary.

    • Michael Sloan

      They need to sell a D770 with a D4 sensor; a bit more resolution for cropping, but not so much that it steals away from the great ISO capabilities. I’m going out on a limb here, so I say make it a stills only camera and add dual XQD slots. If you do that, then you won’t cut into the sales of the D4, D800. At 9 fps, it would be a fantastic sports camera. Bring the price in at $2500 so that you are just between the D600 and D800. Be sure to give it at least 51 AF points, or possibly more. Oh, and why we are it, give it a tilt/swivel LCD on the back; I still haven’t figured out why Nikon hasn’t done this yet on any of its pro DSLRs. Maybe it just doesn’t stand up to abuse very well.

      • jr456

        Putting a tilt swivel on a pro camera is a terrible idea for reliability/durability purposes.

    • MyrddinWilt

      Because the D3s sensor was actually the copies of the D700 sensor that gave the lowest noise values in testing.

      LED lights are produced the same way. The LEDs that come out of the plant have a range of color values from yellow to blue. They sort them out and sell them to different customers. It is called ‘binning’

      • fjfjjj

        “Because the D3s sensor was actually the copies of the D700 sensor that gave the lowest noise values in testing”

        Really? What’s your source? The Nikon press announcement for the D3s said its sensor was “newly designed” for video.

    • Sahaja

      “Why don’t they sell a D700 body with a D3s sensor”

      Maybe D3s sensors are no longer manufactured

  • Tyler Evert

    All I want is a dx cam with at least 8fps. I’d be happy if the d7100 had 8 fps and a larger buffer, the autofocus is great, it just needs a larger buffer really…

    • Antonio

      Dxxx type body and controls are also a good thing :) I would want that

      • Michael Sloan

        I truly hope that is sarcasm I detect. :-)

        • patto01

          Why would that be sarcasm? Between the two of them, they’ve described the D300S

  • http://twitter.com/sharbeen Sharbeen

    I have Nikon D600 purchased a week ago. Clicked more than 1000 pictures. Yet to see spots. Been using the kit lens 24-85mm. And switched to a few lens 2 times in that whole 1000 (approx) shots. Not sure if this many shots is enough to result in dust. Or did they fix this? My D600 serial number starts from 360.. On many searches I found majority complaining with 500 shots giving them dusts.

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      My understanding is that Nikon fixed the issue few months ago.

      • http://twitter.com/sharbeen Sharbeen

        Hope so. Lets see what happens once I cross 5000 shots.

      • k.alexander

        What do you recommend for a D600 user who’s had the camera for 7 or 8 months. At about 5k shots. Not seeing tons of dust, but also mostly shooting larger than f/8?
        Is there a point sending to Nikon to clean (or more importantly for them to replace the shutter mechanism)?

        • Sahaja

          If it aint broke – why take the risk of having Nikon “fix” it?

          • k.alexander

            I guess you’re right. Took some test shots last night. Can’t see any dust at f/8 or larger. I can more or less barely see about 4 little spots (mostly in the upper left quadrant) at f/11; and those same spots become more prevalent at f/16.

            I only have a year to get them to do anything for free, to correct the issue, right? If they are replacing the shutter mechanism, I’d like for them to actually do it rather than miss my chance under warranty. Problem is I dont want to be without a camera for prolonged period of time. Anyone know how long the turnaround time is on the East Coast in US.

            • dclivejazz

              Took them a month to repair mine, as I relate in another post. 2 weeks of that supposedly was due to waiting for the the replacement part. You can contact them with samples of your images using small apertures and they will let you know if they think they should work on it.

      • PeterO

        If they fixed the issue, why would they need to put out a D610 without improving it beyond a new shutter? There must be something more to it than that. What would the new marketing slogan be: “I am fixed?”

        • Michael Sloan

          Great comment!! I’m still wiping tears from my eyes!

        • Sahaja

          Perception. Even if they have fixed the D600, it has had so much bad press people will always be looking for spots.

          They could add slightly faster FPS, maybe WiFi, GPS, or something like that to make it look like a new model and not merely a fix

  • n11

    A larger AF area for the D610 would help it as well, its so small on the 600!

    • El Aura

      Welcome back to FF where AF coverage by definition has to be smaller than for cropped cameras [using the same mount]. Enough smaller that stepping back one step from the best technically possible coverage feels rather small.

      • antonio

        Now, you see, one more disadvantage of FX…
        Its not all rosy going to FX…
        which is why i think nikon’s great “leap forward” in all things FX isn’t going to be a wonderful realization market wise…

  • NRA Advocate

    I don’t believe Nikon would go to a whole new model designation just for PR damage control. It’s one thing to do this for a flash gun, it’s an entirely different matter to do it for a camera model. They’ve certainly never done that before.

    My guess is that this camera will offer some additional functionality as well, possibly including the improvements many have been wanting to see in a D400: better frame rate, buffer speed, and perhaps even weather sealing.

    Cause they sure as hell ain’t gonna introduce any more “flagship” DX camera models. Sorry D400 fanboys…

    • Antonio

      Either you don’t know the meaning of fanboy, or you don’t understand the needs of those who want the attended specs and config of a D400…
      but no need to be condescending…

      • NRA Advocate

        Why pine away for a unicorn?

        Nikon’s strategy is very clear, if you bother to look. They are not going to do any more “pro spec” DX bodies.

        That ended with the D300 and Nikon’s move to a less expensive FX camera. And it’s been solidified by the rise of APS-C mirrorless cameras … and the general longward trend of putting larger sensors in smaller bodies.

        I guess some people view reality as condescension.

        • To

          No, no… some people just maybe have different needs… Mirrorless is still a blip in the market (look at sales and shipping numbers). And its not gaining (report to articles at bythom.com for that)…
          I for one can not see why nikon doesn’t want to grab a “niche” (I’d guess not so small niche).
          But its fine with me.
          About using bigger sensors in smaller bodies… the lenses don’t get smaller with the body, just with sensor size… People might try it, I doubt many will want the lens size/weight/cost that comes with FX…
          Actually, I don’t really want a D400, I just would like nikon to have a clear plan…
          Then I could make my choices…
          Waiting is fine too…
          they will not get me to “upgrade” to a D7100/D600/D800… none of them serves my needs much better than the D7000 (the 7100 would make AF better, but nothing else… not enough for the upgrade cost).
          I still think they are not doing the market research right in eur/usa, i believe they concentrate it too much close to hope, japan/asia.

          • NRA Advocate

            “About using bigger sensors in smaller bodies… the lenses don’t get smaller with the body, just with sensor size…”

            Ah, yeah. No. Not true. Lenses absolutely do NOT have to be larger to work with full-frame cameras. See Leica M series…

            • patto01

              I don’t know anything about Leica cameras but I thought they were geared more to street photography, etc. and not anything that requires larger (i.e. longer focal length) lenses.

            • Sahaja

              Leica M lenses have no AF, no optical stabilization, and many are not very fast. They are also made for a mirrorless body so the requirements are different.

            • NRA Advocate

              “Leica M lenses have no AF, no optical stabilization, and many are not very fast. They are also made for a mirrorless body so the requirements are different.”

              Well, er, we’re TALKING about mirrorless here.

              As to M lenses not having AF, stabilization, etc., that’s all true … it’s also irrelevant. Olympus and Panasonic have proven you can make smaller lenses with AF. As to image stabilization, the way around that is to put it in your bodies (like the OM-D) not in your lenses.

              Many Leica lenses not very fast? Ummmm, f/0.95 Noctilux…? Leica has no greater quantity of slow lenses than Nikon does.

              Again, full-frame mirrorless IS the future, like it or not.

        • patto01

          Actually, I think it was your use of “Sorry D400 fanboys…” That was very condescending.
          Anyway, you’re missing the whole point of a pro spec APS-C camera. It’s not about price as much as having DX (as in D3, D4) specs in a body with more apparent reach.

      • Anthony Woodruffe

        you could always buy a D800 and use your DX lenses on it. I understand that’s defeating the object, I also understand you could see it as a big outlay to not use the whole sensor. but it would give all the advantages of FF (better High ISO images) than any possible D400 could ever offer.

        • Plug

          I think that potential D400 customers are thinking the other way around and would use FX lenses on a DX body. I have a D800, a wonderful tool and use it for my wildlife photography as appropriate, but a D400 with 24 mp would have greater pixel density and reach wise turns my 300 f2.8 into a 450 equivalent. Or a 300 f4 into a 450 where lightweight is required when trekking, particularly at my age. It is the flexibility given by having a contrasting D800 with a pro, therefore tough D400, with a large buffer and fast frame rate and crucially, reach. My D300s is ageing and i would like to upgrade it. The D7100 does not stand up, in my opinion.

          • To

            Someone understands it… nice post :)
            Thanks

          • Michael Sloan

            Finally, someone who gets it!

          • Sahaja

            How do you mean the D7100 doesn’t stand up?
            Sure the controls are different and the body is lighter (even better for trekking) – but I’ve never heard of them regularly breaking and the weather sealing is apparently actually pretty good.

            If you have 24mp the frame rate is probably not going to be that good or the buffer as large as you would like anyway.

        • To

          Well, if I don’t use all the sensor, I don’t get the better high ISO, pixel wise its not much better…).
          Also, I am paying more (no way D400 would be same price as D800), getting larger files than i need (or not use the full sensor as you say), getting less fps and buffer…
          Some advantages, some disadvantages, a lot more cost (~25% estimated, but I think in reality could be more).
          Now, would you pay MORE for something that will give you less? If it was equivalent, maybe… but more, now way!

          • Michael Sloan

            A D400 should be HALF the price of the D800. If my memory serves me correctly, I paid $1800 for my D300 with the 18-200 kit lens; thus the D300 was probably around $1200 at the time for just the body.

            • Sahaja

              But “around $1200″ is the price of the D7100.
              They would have to charge more – which would make it at least the price of a D600 or the now rumoured D610.

            • Michael Sloan

              There is a big gap between $1200 and $2000. I’m sure Nikon could bring the D400 in a price around $1599.00

  • Gene F.

    Heart-breaking news, actually. It may be in their best business interest to reach down to the lowest common denominator for sales, especially as the small pocket camera market self-destructs due to new phone camera capabilities, but it sures leaves the enthusiast/hobbyist/semi-pro out in the dark.
    I don’t think we will ever see a D700 replacement. If lucky, maybe by the end of next year the buffer/burst rate on the D800 might see an upgrade.
    I had always thought that the D400 was an essential part of the DX line, especially after the “crippled” D7100 release, but now I begin to believe that it was or will be abandoned for company support of the lowest possible price of the lowest possible mommy-cam.
    Releasing the D610 with a new shutter and nothing else will gain Nikon very little praise, as that should have been done 6 months ago.

    • Antonio

      I find it amazing that nikon thinks everybody should take up FX, or at least is looking to head that way.
      For me DX is the right size for balance, performance, cost, weight, size.
      Even if you take cost out (imagining in the future FX sensores become cheaper, so FX is availiable at 1000eur), the other advantages aren’t going anywhere…
      But that doesn’t mean I don’t want the features and controls of the big boys… I just don’t want/need the lens size/weight/cost that goes with it…

      • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

        Maybe Nikon’s point is that there are many smaller APC-S mirrorless cameras out there and their only real advantage is full frame (Sony is rumored to announce a full frame NEX camera).

        • Plug

          But that is saying to customers like me that I should leave Nikon and go elsewhere? Unless they really believe that they can dictate to customers what they want then I don’t see the logic.

      • NRA Advocate

        Nothing amazing about it. Nikon has seen the writing on the wall, that’s all.

        The future is big sensors in smaller bodies, not the other way around.

        The future will probably also see mirrorless rise to eventually replace DSLRs.

        Coming out with a pro-spec DSLR body with a “smaller” sensor just doesn’t make sense to Nikon, and you won’t see it.

        Also, FX offers clear superiority to DX for the balance of pros — lower noise at higher ISOs, better tonality gradation, larger viewfinder for ease of viewing, etc, etc.

        • Antonio

          Agreed, i don’t speak for the pros…
          And, a FX body has the advantages you say, alright…
          However, you need to also consider the lenses…
          And there, dif of cost, size, weight, etc… start to go up…
          Everybody will find their sweet spot.
          For me it would be high performance DX.
          If nikon will not provide it, I’ll go to someone else, no worries…
          My D7000 does quite well, and if they are adamant of going to mirrorless and smaller cameras, I’ll go m4/3. Lens choice is amazing, and in few years i think the sensors will do PDAF on sensor as good as it is now off the sensor.
          But i do really prefer the OVF, and the Dxxx style controls…
          If nikon don’t provide it, well, ok, my money will go elsewhere :)

          • Duarte

            only pros need the big ass FX zooms- amateurs will use slow zooms and moderately fast primes(as they did when shooting film back in the day)

        • Michael Sloan

          What writing on what wall? The only writing I’ve seen Nikon put on the wall lately is their poor quarterly financial report. Most people I know that buy cameras or are shopping for a camera, don’t know the difference between FX and DX, other than the price and body size. And since FX is so much more expensive and larger, they discern it must be better and reserved for pros. Since most people don’t consider themselves pros, they just buy the best DX camera they can afford, or whatever they are convinced to buy, by the salesman. Seriously, with the capabilities of today’s DX sensors, why would your average Joe buy FX? (Noise/tonality/viewfinder=BS)Maybe 1 in 100 people could tell you about the benefits of FX, or getting shallow DOF with fast glass for creative results. However, many that are running out and buying the D600 to match it up with f4 and slower glass aren’t really going to see a benefit over the D3xxx/5xxx/7xxx/90 they stepped up from. Or when they are pairing up cheaper third party glass to save a buck, they aren’t going to realize the acuity they just lost.

          If I had the money, I would move up to medium format or if someone would make a digital back for large format, I would explore that as well; albeit for portraiture and landscape work only. But that’s because I know what tilt/shift/swing movements of the front and rear standards can do for my photography; not because bigger is better, that’s just a coincidence. One last counter to your statement, “The future is big sensors in smaller bodies, not the other way around.” What about the Nikon 1? Let’s see, that is six Nikon 1 models in two years? I guess Nikon saw that writing on the wall too.

          • NRA Advocate

            “(Noise/tonality/viewfinder=BS)”

            BS, huh? I guess you don’t know as much as you want everyone to think you do.

            “One last counter to your statement, ‘The future is big sensors in smaller bodies, not the other way around.’ What about the Nikon 1? Let’s see, that is six Nikon 1 models in two years? I guess Nikon saw that writing on the wall too.

            No, they clearly didn’t. The Nikon 1 was an unqualified disaster everywhere but Asia. Know why? Because as good as the cameras were in every other way, Nikon went with a non-standardized sensor configuration that was SMALLER than Micro 4/3s. They now realize the industry is moving towards larger sensors in smaller bodies.

            • Michael Sloan

              The BS comment was just my way of saying moot point, as most people can’t see the differences anyway; they have to read about them.
              As for the Nikon 1, Nikon had also read the writing on the wall at one point, but they had it all wrong. Who’s to say they still don’t have it all wrong with budget oriented FX? You?
              I say Nikon doesn’t understand their customer base very well, because if they had, they wouldn’t have marketed the Nikon 1 the way they did.

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      Let’s keep in mind that those announcements could be few months away and there could be something else that will be announced first. I really don’t know.

    • Sahaja

      If we see some better DX lenses being released – including a couple of wide angle primes – a D400 might be on the way, otherwise it seems less and less likely.

      Maybe they are working on a high end APS-C mirrorless instead

  • Alberto Reyes Muñoz

    Is there a Date for this announcements ???

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      No date, but my guess is between now and first week of January 2014 (CES show in Vegas).

      • Alberto Reyes Muñoz

        Thanks Admin.

  • lolly

    i’m waiting for touch-screen on the D5200 replacement … i don’t think i’m the only one ;)

  • Maji

    Maybe this D610 is the D700 successor. With a better AF module and a larger buffer, minus the weather sealing of the D700, Nikon maybe giving us a D700 successor. We will see.

    • Michael Sloan

      610 < 700, hardly a successor.

      • patto01

        I’m not sure the number is relevant: 4<800<3200

        • Drazen B

          Yes it is if it’ sin the same series. You’re comparing apples and oranges.

          • patto01

            I don’t think so. If you make a check list comparing the D600 to the D700, in most categories the D600 is better.

            • Michael Sloan

              If Nikon would have been true to its own numbering scheme in the Dxxx series, the D600 would have been a pro body DSLR without the neutered AF system. The better parts of the D600 can thank evolution, not revolution; its just a more modern camera with the parts of the day. The D700 on the other hand was revolutionary. If the D610 is to be the replacement of the D700, then it should excel in every way, and not just “most categories.”

            • patto01

              So you admit that Nikon doesn’t care about the numbering scheme! Thanks.
              As to your other points, you could argue that the D700 wasn’t revolutionary, rather a junior D3. What did the D700 have that the D3 didn’t?

  • Aldo

    Give me a better auto focus system on the 610 and I’m in!

    • Neopulse

      Kind of agree…. although not gonna get one. But definitely worth renting once it comes out.

      • Aldo

        I’m considering buying another SLR… just don’t know what. Cheaper than the d800 though.

        • Neopulse

          Ufff depends what you wanna use it for? Try picking one that helps you choose to do a different activity with. Like an APS-C with your FF lens to try wildlife photography. Get what I mean? Or a small compact one for street photography like a Fuji X100 or Ricoh GXR.

          • Aldo

            Fuji sounds good… I’m gonna look into it.

            • Neopulse

              It’s an interesting cam the Fuji APS-C cameras. I like the fact that it’s so damn portable. For travelling I’d take on of those over a DSLR. Although they don’t have exactly a wide varity of lenses yet, but it’s cool to check out at least once to see in which situations you’d most likely use it’s lightweight in.

    • Chobot

      the same over here. put metering system from D800 to D600 and I pay $2500 for that, no problem.

  • dan

    You are wrong. They announcing the D4x and D400

    • Antonio

      Wish it is true, just only for the fact it would mean nikon is shooting for the stars, not the mass volume market…
      I understand they want a lot of volume and revenue that goes with it…
      A teacher once told me “Volume without profit is insanity” and “volume is vanity, profit is sanity”…
      Its all good and well when they drop things down from the top into the lower cams and make more money with it.
      concentrating on the volume market and low cost products is not the hallmark of a market leader

  • jefferylewis

    Regarding the D610 – I’d guess they drop the anti-aliasing filter and add wifi or gps. Maybe even allow aperture control while capture. I still love my D600 though. No worse than my D7000 was for dust.

  • Tom

    D610 with Expeed 3 and without the AA filter would be very interesting.

    • http://kyleclements.com/ Kyle Clements

      I don’t think the resolution (I’m guessing it’s 24MP FX) is high enough to get away without the AA filter. Even the D800E gets some moire, While what I’ve seen from the D7100 has been wonderful.

  • AM

    The D610 will be the same D600 in red, to be announced together with a new 24-85mm VR in red as well.

  • Steven Solidarios

    A D610 with a bump in fps would be interesting.

    • Sahaja

      Yes – if they bumped the fps and buffer, as well as getting rid of the oily shutter it might make some people happy.

  • G_J

    Really Nikon… you’re so dazed and confused… WTH is the D400!!!

    • NRA Advocate

      In your dreams, that’s where.

  • sperdynamite

    As a D600 user I sort of want to buy a 5D Mark III. I’m sick of waiting for a pro 50, I’m sick of waiting for an updated 135, or 200mm portrait prime. I have to go to Sigma for the best lenses now?! Now this news of a bullshit 610 upgrade for my basically new model??? What? Let me guess no AA filter? Nikon needs to get their shit together. Canon built to 5D3 after listening specifically to the needs of their pro user base. Nikon apparently does whatever they want to do, confounding logic.

    • NRA Advocate

      Your argument is schizophrenic. You suggest that Canon listened to their pro user base with the 5DIII, yet the Nikon D600 does not compete with the 5DIII, nor is it considered a pro camera.

      Nikon absolutely listens to its pros … far more than Canon, traditionally.

      Do Canon listen to the needs of amateurs and snapshooters? If there’s a direct competitor to the D600 over in the Canon camp at the same price-point, no one’s stopping you from switching sides…

      • sperdynamite

        I don’t know any D700 users that were thinking, man, I would love this camera if it had massive files! Or said, I would love this camera if it had slightly larger files, but was cheaper with worse build and specs. Where as when designing the 5D3, photographers liked the file size, but wanted better low light, AF performance, and build. They got it, and it’s been universally praised. We as Nikon users got two cameras that don’t really replace what we had, and one of which had serious launch issues. No, my D600 is not a 5D competitor, but I’m not going to buy a sensor that I don’t need or want just to have a magnesium shell. Even the D4 gets mixed reviews all around. Their mirrorless is a joke (Canon’s isn’t much better admittedly), and they couldn’t make a compact camera to save their executive bonuses. And if you ask Nikon, they consider the D7100 and up, professional solutions. You may not, but they do.

        • J

          You should’ve gotten the D800. Maybe it wasn’t clear, but 600 is “lower” than 700. The D700 upgrade was, not surprisingly, the D800.

          It’s a perfect camera if there ever was one. If you can’t handle the files you obviously need to work on your computer. My box cost me $1000 to put together and I don’t even notice the size when editing (because I built it to handle 4×5 scans at 3200DPI, now THAT’s a large file).

          Get over it and leave Nikon if you want. Have fun with those Canon menus. Wouldn’t want to be in your shoes!!

          • sperdynamite

            My computer can ‘handle’ the files just fine, but why would I want to fill my raid so fast? Most of my prints are not more than 13×19, it’s pointless excess data. I shoot weddings with this thing I don’t need 36mp pictures of drunk people. I DO need a pro 50mm lens.

            • duarte

              i don’t know why people ain’t happy with the 50mm G they are very sharp from 2.0 and up, and if you are using then for portraits you won’t want a very sharp lens, it makes people look worse.
              Plus the canon’s 50mm is overpriced and not considered very sharp wide open.
              The only sharp 50 is the zeiss for sony most probably

        • NRA Advocate

          “I’m not going to buy a sensor that I don’t need or want just to have a magnesium shell.” >>
          Then I guess you won’t have a magnesium shell.

          “Even the D4 gets mixed reviews all around.”>>
          EVERY camera gets mixed reviews. The D4 is a magnificent pinnacle of engineering, and I, for one, would be happy to own one. But I’m quite content with my D3s…it’s never let me down.

          “Their mirrorless is a joke (Canon’s isn’t much better admittedly) and they couldn’t make a compact camera to save their executive bonuses.”>>
          Nikon’s mirrorless is only a joke due to its small sensor size. In most other respects its performance and technology are very good, indeed.

          “And if you ask Nikon, they consider the D7100 and up, professional solutions. You may not, but they do.”>>
          Actually, I HAVE asked Nikon. The D7100 is considered a prosumer camera, NOT a pro camera. Same notation goes for the D600. In the current FX lineup, only the D800 and D4 are considered pro cameras. The D300 is also considered a pro camera. If you want to know how Nikon categorizes what is and is not pro-level gear, look at at NPS’ list.

          Man, what a load of complaining. These cameras today do damn near everything but cook your breakfast for you ― and the D3s and D4 can practially take pictures in the dark, and at frame rates way behond what was possible 8 years ago ― and yet all today’s instant-gratification society can do is whine like a bunch of snot-nosed little kids about how their D700s or whatnot are suddenly no longer “good enough” for them.

          • Aurora1977

            I think I have to live with the fact that I will have to keep the D700 for several more years to come for my wedding work. I don’t see Nikon coming out with a perfect wedding camera soon. There’s only one perfect wedding camera at the moment on the market, and it not made by Nikon. We all know the name. It is really a shame.

    • Joseph Li

      +1 on the 50 and 135. Hmmm…nothing wrong going with Sigmas ..if they are stepping up to the game for a lot less cost, why not. We do have 200mm f/2 VR II for your portrait prime, the images blow me away everytime i use it one of the reasons why i am still with Nikon

    • http://www.postlinearity.com gregorylent

      magic lantern is enough for me to agree with you

  • Shaun V

    A D610 I can understand. Its a fix for the sensor oil issue. But a D5300?? Wasn’t the D5200 just released earlier this year? Is there an issue with the D5200 I am not aware of? Wouldn’t a D3300 make more sense, the D3200 is at least a couple months older than D5200…

    Now that I think of it… I really CAN’T understand a D610. Wouldn’t a fix for the sensor oil issue be to ACTUALLY fix the sensor oil issue. Instead of building a new camera without this issue, recall the D600 Nikon and fix all of them for your loyal customers! But then that would actually cost them money… I guess the best Nikon can do for their loyal customers to fix quality control issues, is to sell them another product…

  • Good Grief

    Attention GearWhores,

    I just like to take pictures.

    XOXO

  • rms

    Nikon wants to market high profit products. I’m seeing high profit high end and high profit low end. I’ll keep my attitude to myself but where’s the d300 upgrade?

  • BrainBeat

    I am surprised that there is not a 3300 too as the 3200 came out before the 5200. If they are releasing a 5300 and a 610 I wonder what specs they would have? The 5×00 have so far always had a new sensor and often the same one as the next most capable one (90, 7000, 7100) so maybe it will be the same as the fabled 400’s? If this were the case it would be bad for the D7100 which is closed enough to the 5200 as it is but so much more usable.

    They would have to update some things in the 600 to got to the 610 or add a few features as a number change this big just to fix a problem does not seem a bit like overkill.

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      Maybe the features that they want to add will make the price of a potential D3300 too high and that’s why they decided to go with the D5300. The D5200 was announced in November 2012, the D5100 in May 2011. If they announce the D5300 in January 2014 for the CES show, it all makes sense. Also, Nikon likes to announce the more expensive model first (D5300) and then the cheaper alternative (D3300).

  • Paul

    A D300s replacement is what I am waiting for.

    • Noora

      Me too i really need it

  • KnightPhoto

    Only way a D400 isn’t coming is if Nikon goes out and triples the buffer in a new D7200 model. Maybe then I’ll believe you D400 doubters ;-)

  • Wally in Austin

    I get the 610 update given the oil problem on the sensor and Nikon-San not doing anything to fix the issue. What I don’t get is the iteration of the 5300 unless Nikon feels the hot breath of the 4/3 crowd and Sony/Samsung looking at similar IQ with more controls and built in Wi-Fi. Really Nikon-San external WiFi. WHAT WERE YOU THINKING! From a contented d7000 user.

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

      If those two cameras turn out to be true, I think that those are emergency decisions that were not part of Nikon’s roadmap. They just had to react to the market situation and decided to refresh those two product lines faster. And one more thing: did you guys noticed that this summer Nikon released only 2 Coolpix cameras in the US: http://nikonrumors.com/2013/08/06/nikon-sb-300-flash-18-140mm-f3-5-5-6g-lens-coolpix-l620-camera-announced.aspx/ Usually we get a dozen of those.

      • PeterO

        Herein lies the problem. Nikon is a reactive company now, not a leader. If they continue this way, they’ll always be playing catch up and eventually falling behind.

        • http://nikonrumors.com/ Nikon Rumors

          There have been reactive for a while – just take a look at their mirrorless offering, it came several years after mirrorless become popular. Their D4/D800/D600 models are unique because the only competitor in this segment is Canon.

          • Sahaja

            D800 was Nikon’s reaction to the 5DMkII (more megapixels)

        • umeshrw

          Since last two years or so I feel like as if Nikon is going through INCEPTION (movie) like scenario. Everything made to fall apart deliberately. Wish they would wake up.

  • UnknownTransit

    If Nikon would just put the CAM-3500FX 51-pt AF in the D610, I’m sold. Dual mic for stereo would be nice.

    • tertius_decimus

      This.

  • azur

    If a new D610 comes without a blurring filter (like the D7100) and with an improved focus point spread then I’m definitely in for one, otherwise I’ll pass. Those were the two factors that kept me from buying the D600.

  • chouster

    I want to see a V3 that has enough power to make use of the full potential the new aptina sensor has.

    14 MP at 80 fps
    4K video, 60p
    1080, 120p

    Sensor is there, use it.

    14

    • m43buyer

      Been waiting for it since V1. So frustrating knowing what those Aptina sensors are capable of and Nikon making decent 1 system lenses when the camera bodies are so crippled. Nikon have really lost the plot in the last few years, just seem to have no idea. DSLR is over, mirrorless is the future start making ground breaking camera’s or sit back and watch all those customers go to Sony and Panasonic and Olympus.

  • Foolishcfo

    I finally see what Nikon’s Execs have been up to. Keep announcing bonehead releases in a effort to tank Nikon’s stock value and then profit by shorting the stock. How else can you explain this? There aint enough profit in the D3000/D5000 series to bail Nikon out of its profit woes and I doubt a D610 will sell as well as Nikon hopes. I think we call that a “hail Mary” in football. Good job Nikon. Amazing.

  • Sundra Tanakoh

    What prevents people from buying the Nikon D400 is, well, they haven’t made it available yet. Now, why is that?

    • Sahaja

      D300 & 300s was made in Thailand. They don’t make that type of body there anymore – and it may not worth them setting up a seperate assembly line to make one model.

      D7100 and D600 made there are similar and probably share a number of parts.

      • jk

        right there is simply no market for high end DX anymore.
        I much prefer mFT + FX.

  • Vin

    I think when we do see a D400 is will be a step up from the D7100, it should have a 30+ mp APS-C. I think that we are waiting for the next generation APS-C sensor.

    No surprise we are going to see the enthusiastic mid range cameras pushed again. Seems that they will bump everything up and make room for the D1000 line.

    • AlphaTed

      My D400 cash is waiting Nikon.

      Would like to use it for the next airshow.

    • Sahaja

      If it had a 30+ mp APS-C sensor then it likely wouldn’t have fast enough FPS or a large enough buffer which is what many people seem to want in a D400

      • Vin

        Agreed, that is on my list too.

  • Pat

    I would rather think D610 would have the 51-point AF. The reason is very simple:

    Even D7100 has the 51-point AF. It doesn’t make sense for the D600 class camera to not have one.

    The super-narrow AF area might well be the #1 reason people not buying into the D600 – it’s even bigger of a problem after the debut of D7100.

    There might well be 1080/60p video as well. The Sony sensor they use in D600 supports 1080/60p anyways…

    • Vin

      The question will be if this is the case will they bump the price a lot or a little on a D610, will this be a true D710?
      Perhaps the D5300 will be a much better HD video DSLR,?
      I think we are seeing a quick shift up in prices, trying to find room for new products. Although if this push brings out better more complete upper end cameras, then even better for the enthusiastic photographers.

      • VikingAesir

        It won’t be a true D710 if it’s still using the third class body.

        • Pat

          A D710 in the name of D610 inside a third class body is, still, better than no D710 at all….

          with 51-point AF and 6+ fps, it would get a lot of D800/E owners to consider a switch.

      • umeshrw

        My guess is 25% increase in price. Just like for sb910. (Atleast here in india it is that much)

    • jk

      and even bigger issue is fixed aperture in LV and video mode , that really sucks.
      I bought my D600 for video and highISO work , so I was really pissed when I found I could not change aperture in LV mode with that camera.
      the D600 has too many design flaws and that should have been issued with a FW update.
      just replacing it with a bit better body is not the real solution.
      I think Nikon will lose a huge amount of faith and respect.

      • J. Dennis Thomas

        The aperture “issue” was well known when the camera was announced and before it was actually available.

        Another thing is that the aperture “issue” can’t be fixed by a firmware update. It requires separate hardware, which the D600 doesn’t have, but the D800 DOES have.

        You bought an entry-level FX camera when you bought the D600. You can’t expect it do everything.

    • UnknownTransit

      The sensor supports 1080/60p doesn’t mean the EXPEED processor supports it. Maybe Nikon didn’t stick enough RAM in the camera to handle vast amount of data and compression. Maybe the write speed isn’t fast enough.

    • TDL2024

      I agree. I personally was displeased with the D600’s af-system and happened to have just sold my D7000. On paper the 600 was the camera for me, but couldn’t deal with the AF (this was the sole reason I didn’t get one actually) so I ended up switching to Canon a couple months ago. I’m not currently invested in many Canon lenses, so IF the D610 shares the D300/700/7100/etc af module I’ll seriously consider switching back. *fingers crossed*

      Also, while Nikon released the SB910 as a “oops we messed up with the 900, here’s one that works” item, I seriously doubt they’d do so with a body. Announcing a replacement (and expecting people to pay for it) to fix a QC issue that shouldn’t have been there would probably backfire on a grand scale.

  • Bruce

    Maybe they will also release a D810 and a D4.10 to once and for all fix the outer (primarily left) autofocus problems.

    • Aldo

      drink?

    • jk

      if they do something like that, they will lose all my faith and many others as well.

  • Sahaja

    Buil in WiFi and GPS would be nice. GPS chips now cost only $1.50 to manufacture and WiFi chips must be cheap too. Nikon’s external solutions are a rip off and make the camera more awkward to use.

  • droll

    I will buy this camera only if all the following conditions are to be met: anachronic, image worsening anti-alias filter being removed, AF upgraded to 51 points to allow shooting moving subjects, all those technical problems of D600 resolved, buffer large enough to allow 30 frame continuous shooting with RAW. In other words, it should have to be a true upgrade version of D700 with all functionality of D700 in a smaller body.

    • FredBear

      “all those technical problems of D600 resolved”
      And what might that be?
      Adorama user rating 4.5 – body and body and lens.
      BHP user ratings 4.5 body and lens – 504 total reviews and the ‘oil/dust on sensor’ is not listed as a ‘Con’ for the camera or camera + body.

      Major cons are short battery life and noise at high ISO (???).
      There’s a few people making a lot of noise on the internet about the D600. One wonders what there agenda is. Don’t believe everything you read.

    • VikingAesir

      anachronic? “Discrepancy between the chronological order of events and the order in which they are related in a plot.”

      Did you mean archaic?

      They won’t get all of the functionality of the D700 in a smaller button. One of the main features of the larger body is dedicated buttons for various tasks, they won’t fit on the smaller body.

  • Erica

    I have a D600 and have no oil issues.

    • jk

      you have a good copy of it does not mean all of us have good copies of it , and I bought total 3 D600 bodies(tested 6 copies) and all have had the dust issue + poor(extremely poor) low light AF issue(just like the D7000).
      I sent my 3(now one) D600 bodies in for sensor cleaning service 4 times, and they seemed to become clean for a few days.
      but just in a week or so, It re-collected the annoying oily dust spots again and again.
      now ,I have only one D600 , one D800 and one D800E body.

      my main camera is D800E, which has no AF issue or dust issue at all, but if Nikon does not decide to recall my D600 crap and just replaces it with a new model called D610, I won’t trust Nikon ever again and I will most likely sell all my Nikon gears, and I know many many people do the same.
      anyway, my big dealer here was talking about something like D5300 and what you called D610 on this rumor page coming soon, but sadly they said there wouldn’t be any real D700 successor from Nikon any time soon, however, Nikon knows there is high demand for it.
      so I am pretty disappointed and I am selling my third copy of D600 soon , in fact, I am cleaning it and putting it back into the original box came with it.
      I think this Nikon fraud business should not be overlooked.

      • FredBear

        I have a good copy and I know what to look for and have done so more critically than I would have.
        Considering Lensrentals (often quoted by the “Look at the bad things Lensrentals has to say” brigade on the D600) say that they don’t consider the dust issue (note they didn’t say ‘oil’) a defect because most people will take care of the issue themselves.
        They should have added ‘competent’ to the people bit.
        The most defective camera they rent was, in fact, the D800.

    • Mansgame

      Well good for you. Many people were not that lucky, were told it’s all in their head, spent money cleaning it or mailing it to Nikon, and Nikon never admitted anything was wrong. Now they want to release a new version which fixes something that supposedly was not wrong.

  • Aaron Carn

    Perhaps D5300 is response to Eos 70d and new A/F in it. Perhaps Nikon are releasing their own implementation of this. In a way it makes sense to introduce it into a consumer grade camera. If it works and is accepted well then it migrates to the higher end models as they get released. Just a thought.

    And even though it isn’t going to happen would be nice to see a change to a D90 type body style with more direct access buttons etc. Or… how about the touch screen that works very well on Panasonics, canon’s etc.

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