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This is the new Nikon 1 18.5mm f/1.8 mirrorless lens

This is the new Nikon 1 18.5mm f/1.8 mirrorless lens that will be announced together with the D600 in few hours. The new lens will cost around $300 and will start shipping on November 1st, 2012. Three different colors will be available: black, white and silver.

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  • http://coastalinsight.com Al

    Very nice.

    Ok what about the pricing of the D600 now?

    • karl

      who cares.

      So, this lens seems to have a focus ring, but no AF/MF switch.
      Wondering if you can override AF once it’s locked on the body..

      • jec6613

        That’s not a focus ring, that’s just a grip to help you socket it onto the camera. On the N1 system, MF is done by wire from the body, there is no mechanical focus ring on th lens.

    • JC

      Now we have the Sony RX-1, when will Nikon wake up and give us some Leica worthy of competition?

      Tiny sensor is a thing of past already, haven’t they read the writing on the wall?

      • SG

        Tiny sensor? The sensor on this camera is 7x larger than the sensor on my other camera (an iPhone).

  • AAron

    WOW 50mm f4.5 lens for only 300Eur!
    Amazing. This system starts finally to make sense!
    I know it is as big as fullframe 50 and not so fast, but it is white and new!
    Thank You Nikon!!!!

    • karl

      I’ll take silver.
      No, really.

    • Me – an expert

      f is f is f is f.
      fstop is an EXPOSURE setting, always has been, always will be.
      The depth of field will change from sensor size to sensor size, but the exposure stays the same.
      A fast lens is a fast lens, and a slow one is slow.

      • nobody

        ISO 400 on a 1 inch sensor is as noisy as ISO 3200 on an FX sensor because the latter is 8 times the size. That’s why an f1.8 lens for a 1 inch sensor is equivalent to an f4.5 lens with an FX sensor.

        You get not only the same DOF but also the same noise with an f1.8 lens on a 1 inch sensor, as compared to an f4.5 lens on an FX sensor.

        Simple as that!

        • RakSiam

          so…shoot at 100 ISO instead?

        • somebody

          YES YES YES

          Finally! I wish that all those “experts” out there with their “high ISO comparison” tests would realize this too!

          My calculations show that this lens is the equivalent (DOF) of 50mm f/4.8 on FX. I found overall a 3 stop DOF advantage goes to the N1. Thus the N1 shooter will be at ISO 400 whilest the FX shooter will be at ISO 3200 when trying to get the same DOF and framing. Exactly as you stated!

          Now FX may have a 3 stop (or more) ISO advantage over N1, but things get a little fuzzier (literally!) at the smaller f-stops. N1 shooters can increase their DOF drastically by only going up to f/8. FX shooters trying to achieve the same DOF will begin to suffer diffraction when trying to keep up with the N1 shooter when the smaller sensor is only at f/2.8 (3 stops again will put the FX shooter at f/22).

          The opposite is true as well, FX shooters have huge advantage in reducing DOF that the N1 shooters just cannot keep up with. It is also much easier for FX shooters to render out of focus backgrounds due to the overall higher focal length being used (to achieve equivalent FOV).

          Every tool has it’s strengths and weaknesses. Nikon is giving us a great toolbox to choose from!

          • somebody

            Um, guess the first thread was deleted? This was in reply to @nobody’s post.

          • Shawn

            Does this forum not allow threaded replies anymore, or is it my proxy server or browser or something mucking this up?

            • Shawn

              It’s working now.

            • Shawn

              Or maybe not, huh.

          • Bigeater

            I agree completely about the need to be able to get more depth of field at a reasonable f stop. Just yesterday I was shooting a tomato for a website illustration and I had a devil of a time getting much of it in focus while staying below f/11 and I’m using a DX camera.

            I predict that clients have reached their limit on short DOF photography. They’re going to start wanting more of the shot in focus because they’re going to want to be able to see all those gorgeous background props they’ve spent so much money on.

            • Jabs

              @Bigeater – Get a Macro (Micro-Nikkor) or a Tilt and Shift lens = problem solved.

          • non expert

            …”when the smaller sensor is only at f/2.8 (3 stops again will put the FX shooter at f/22)”…

            Didn’t you mean: “when the smaller sensor is only at f/8″ ?

            But, if you need shutter speed and don’t really want/need DOF…

            • non expert

              @somebody – Posted September 12, 2012 at 3:15 pm

              …”when the smaller sensor is only at f/2.8 (3 stops again will put the FX shooter at f/22)”…

              Didn’t you mean: “when the smaller sensor is only at f/8″ ?

              But, if you need shutter speed and don’t really want/need DOF…

              Admin, can you pls erase the above comments I’ve made? Tks.

            • somebody

              @non expert

              Yes, I meant to say that N1@f/2.8 is FX@f/8 and the N1 shooter can go to at least f/8 without diffraction limitations but that puts the equivalent FX shooter at f/22.

          • non expert

            …”when the smaller sensor is only at f/2.8 (3 stops again will put the FX shooter at f/22)”…

            Didn’t you mean: “when the smaller sensor is only at f/8″ ?

            But, if you need shutter speed and don’t really want/need DOF…

          • Jabs

            Utter Nonsense as what changes is actually the FOCAL length of each format and not the F-stop, hence FX, DX and CX all have differing DOF because of focal length discrepancies.

            F-stop = F-stop while DOF is a product of lens focal length usually in ‘standard’ lenses.

            A 45 F2.8 has the same F-stop as a 400 F2.8, yet the DOF will be different due to their focal length differences.

            Madness in digital photography by foolish people.

            Again – F-Stop is independent of digital sensor format and thus think of the various formats as mere tele-converters in their Sensors of each camera format.

            • Question

              What about f-start? Is that to do with focal width?

            • somebody

              @Jabs

              Can’t tell who you’re replying to because of the whole broken thread thing. Anyhow, I just want to be sure we’re agreeing on this. If you want to compare two cameras with different sensor sizes, you need to take approximately equivalent pictures. This means they need to have the same DOF to be equivalent. Then we must adjust the f-stop of one or the other in order to make them produce equivalent results.

              If we didn’t adjust the f-stop then we’d be saying that focus and DOF don’t matter to any pictures, and then the larger format would always be the “best”.

              >>
              Utter Nonsense as what changes is actually the FOCAL length of each format and not the F-stop, hence FX, DX and CX all have differing DOF because of focal length discrepancies.

              F-stop = F-stop while DOF is a product of lens focal length usually in ‘standard’ lenses.

              A 45 F2.8 has the same F-stop as a 400 F2.8, yet the DOF will be different due to their focal length differences.

              Madness in digital photography by foolish people.

              Again – F-Stop is independent of digital sensor format and thus think of the various formats as mere tele-converters in their Sensors of each camera format.
              <<

        • atapee

          In theory yes, but the 1 series sensors have higher quantum efficiency than FF cameras. The 1 series sensor has a QA of 57% while the Canon eos 5d mk2 only has about 32%.

        • Nikon Shooter

          wat

        • Jabs

          WRONG – ISO and F-stop have nothing to do with Sensor performance = nonsense you posted.

          Since a lens does NOT have one F-stop and exposure is a sum of Shutter Speed, ISO and the selected F-stop, then perhaps you reconsider.

          Larger sensors do usually have lower NOISE readout, but there are some larger Sensors which have MORE noise at a given ISO setting than even smaller sensors.

          Case in point:
          A D7000 has a DX sensor which is better in dynamic range and noise performance than an FX or FF sensor like the one in a Canon 5D or 5D MK2.

          Same can be said for many Medium format Sensors – now explain what you just posted in light of this fact.

        • SG

          Assuming the same underlying sensor technology – which isn’t the case with the Nikon 1 Series and the D Series – you would get the same absolute quantity of noise over the entire image in the scenario you describe, but not the noise per unit area, which would be a constant. f/1.8 on a 1-inch sensor is f/1.8 on a full-size sensor, in terms of luminosity and noise (per area), though it does change DoF as the CoC depends on more than just aperture ratio.

      • El Aura

        But without context (ie, sensor size), you cannot map exposure to image quality.

      • Jabs

        +100 – Exactly – I get sick and tired of these idiotic Internet wannabe Gurus who trumpet that equivalency mess when they multiply stuff in ignorance.

        F-stop is a measured parameter independent of lens SIZE or format and is a ratio for that lens itself.

    • Nikon Shooter

      It’s stated in large, bold letters that this is an f/1.8 lens. Why are you getting confused about it?

    • Jabs

      @Aaron,
      The F stop does not change as the lens is a Nikon 1 system lens.

      18.5 x 2.7 = the focal length in 35mm terms or FX per Nikon.

      F-stop remains 1.8 maximum as you do NOT multiply the F 1.8 by 2.7. That is a myth!

  • Shawn

    Don’t we all often rejoice the small victories in life?

  • jec6613

    What in goodness’ name makes this a $300 lens?! The 50 mm f/1.8 AF-S FX is $220 lens, the 50 mm f/1.8 AF-D FX is a $135 lens, the 35 mm f/1.8 DX is a $200 lens, and all of them have more glass and a more complex optical design to clear a mirror sweep … how does this price make any sense? Is it made with some magical glass?

    $200 or even, maybe, $250, I could see, but $300 just seems too high for an f/1.8 normal lens without VR or any other fancy features.

    • Shawn

      You’re completely right. This comes off of Nikon’s AND everyone else who makes cameras’ notion that SMALLER = PREMIUM. They’re not totally wrong unfortunately.

      Mirrorless is heating up, so hopefully competition will begin to kick in and we’ll see prices start to drop to more reasonable levels.

    • wublili

      Well, not exactly magical glass.

      It’s made of mirrorless glass.

    • V1 user

      What do you think about $189? I think people sometimes forget that this website is called “nikonrumors.” Wait for the final unveiling to complain or rejoice about pricing. The price of this lens was rumored at almost double what it actually is while the D600 was $600-$700 over what was predicted. I’ve seen a lot of comments from people that are incredibly disappointed at the D600 price, simply because websites like this got their hopes up.

  • Booyah

    I’m glad Nikon is continues to waste R&D time and money interchangable compact camera lenses. They are getting smoked in the mirrorless category and should just cut their losses and start over. This system is horribly obsolete.

    • BigEater

      Obsolete? Or so far ahead of everyone else that they’re coming back around the other side? Maybe they’re sitting on an awesome 24mp ISO 100-102,400 CX sensor design that they can’t release until the cost of fabrication comes down. This “glass” could be half full, ya know?

    • Wataru

      I just bought a second V1 body, this time in white, with the 10-30 and I use it on the job together with my D800. This particular lens doesn’t interest me, but i’m sure there will be something around 8 mm in the future, which I would definitely buy.

      I realize this camera doesn’t excite the cognoscenti, but it is a very useful little camera. For industrial photography and documentation it is an excellent choice, and I make money with the V1. If you don’t use the Nikon 1, your loss, you are missing out an a handy little camera. I do admit it looks silly mounted to a 70 to 200 zoom, but it takes great photos that can’t be had for this kind of money any other way.

      Too bad so many people aren’t creative enough to see the potential uses of the Nikon 1.

      • http://www.VolCo360.com Ken Elliott

        I agree. I expected to really dislike the camera, but it is a really responsive and fun camera to shoot. Haters don’t know what they are missing.

      • SG

        I agree with the sentiment entirely, but I disagree that the camera looks silly with a big lens. The ideal camera wouldn’t even be visible, one would just see the lens. The smaller the camera the better; only the limitations of contemporary optical engineering require relatively large lenses per area light receptacle.

  • Craig

    Wouldn’t it have been nice if this lens were about f1.1 or f0.95 so it would behave like a 1.8 on regular format?

    To the guy asking the question about the price >>>>New lens means new geometry means new research means new price when compared to the $225 50 f1.8 lens.

    • jec6613

      The Nikon 50 mm f/1.8 AF-S is a brand new geometry anyway, the first aspheric normal lenses since the Noct Nikkors and a completely new optical formula, and it’s still priced lower.

      At least they’re sticking to the 40.5 mm filter thread on the N1 and standardized caps, so if you own a few lenses it’s a bit easier.

    • nobody

      It would have to be about f 0.65 to be equivalent to an f 1.8 FX lens …

      • jec6613

        I assume you mean for equivalent DoF and FoV, because f/1.8 is f/1.8, it’s a dimensionless ratio. It is always equivalent. This lens has the same DoF as a 17.5 mm f/1.8 lens on FX … because it is a 17.5 mm f/1.8 lens, just with a smaller image circle.

        Honestly, I don’t know about you but I want more depth of field in more cases than I want less, a I find a faster aperture is just to allow more light in. I can isolate more by going to a longer focal length, of course, and then to get a wider field of view I can increase the sensor/film size.

        I’ve been eyeing the Nikon 1 for a while now, and may pull the trigger in the next few months, just as a fun camera to shoot family photos with. It won’t replace my DSLRs, but I’m going to bring the Nikon 1 places where I wouldn’t bring my DSLR – and that’s the point, isn’t it? To have a camera with you when you need it.

        • Shawn

          @jec6613

          “I want more depth of field in more cases than I want less”

          My sentiments exactly. If you do pull the trigger on the N1 keep us posted. Especially in regards to isolating the subject (which a lot of folks here are really keen on). I’d like to know how practical/effective it is on the N1 system. I’m curious if it can be done at reasonable focus distances or if you have to get really far away and/or mount a 200 DX/FX lens to make it happen.

  • Jeremy

    Now we can see how bad the D800 focus issue is.

  • T.I.M

    Cheaper than the Nikon MB-D12 grip !
    I’ll take five.
    :o

  • atapee

    if you are going to buy this lens because you want shallow dof, you’re gonna have a bad time.

  • Ric

    no pink?

  • rensuchan

    Admin, what time are the Thailand and Dubai conferences happening?

    • T.I.M

      @renshchan
      give up, the D600 won’t be priced at $1499

      • rensuchan

        Not really sure how this has anything to do with my question. I’m still in the market for FX regardless of if it’s $1499 or not.

        • T.I.M

          @rensuchan
          if price is not an issue then get the D800, best camera on the market.

          • rensuchan

            I don’t need a D800, I don’t make a living off of photography and I find 24 MP more workable than 36. I’m also coming from a D7000 and would prefer a similar control layout.

            I’d get more use out of a $2200 D600 and getting a J2 / selling off my Canon S95 than I would from just the D800.

            Regardless of what I choose to get though, I still would like to know when the press conferences are as I’d like to follow them tonight.

  • Mikko

    I will buy one.

  • Steve

    All we need is a V2 without the idiot limitations pf the V1 and
    we are good to go.

  • Pellevin

    Oh no! It does not come in pink???

  • http://ronscubadiver.wordpress.com Ron Scubadiver

    Nikon mirrorless camera sensors are too small. The darn thing is nearly a toy. Nikon might as well build a compact like the Sony RX100, which probably uses the same sensor.

  • V1 User

    I’ll definitely buy and use it. It’s funny how much hate comes from people who don’t use the 1 series cameras. Of course you aren’t going to like the lens because the system as a whole isn’t appealing to you. For someone like me who loves the V1, it’s perfect. I’ll get black simply because it’ll match my body and all my other lenses are black.

  • http://www.dltp.co.uk David Thomas

    Would be nice to have some Nikon F Mount lenses announced with the D600 like the old in the tooth 300 F4 AFS, 80-400 AF lens.

    Would Nikon go the way off Sony by Announcing a camera FF/AFS Compact Pro camera, camera like RX1 also and also a Nikon F Mount camcorder or even a Nikon 1 Camcorder.

    Hope the Nikon 1 would be upgraded also to use the RX1 sensor

    Seems Sony is getting a complete system out starting from Compact to Mirrorless, APS, FF and Camcorder – Canon & Nikon must look over their shoulders – although it will be hard to get users to move completely over to Sony.

    One negative I have with Sony & Canon is their ever inflated Lens prices look at price of new Canon super Teles and Sony 300 F2.8 new lens announced today.

    • Jabs

      @David,
      The real problem with Sony is their seeming desire to overwhelm us technically spec-wise while in true performance, they let us down horribly. The second and major problem with Sony is a lack of real usable lenses in any of their camera systems. Nikon has the best lens choices bar none, as they have had the ‘F’ Mount for so long while Canon has changed from the ‘FD’ mount to the ‘EOS’ mount and then made several incompatible versions of their ‘EOS’ mount lenses. Used older Nikon glass is more abundant than any amount of Sony or Canon glass = facts!

      ‘It’s the LENS stupid’ (not you now – lol) that makes Nikon so formidable.

      Nikon’s new bodies also have Expeed 3 which is digital, multi-channel, multi-processor and thus this obsoletes almost every other brand of competing camera as they are slow compared to that.

      Lastly, cameras are SYSTEMS and this is lost on most people who buy cameras like they buy smartphones as disposable commodities on Phone Plans which then end up for sale on E-Bay or such.
      The Nikon 1 is a system and this new lens is the equivalent of a 50mm F1.8 prime.

  • Max

    The Nikon D300s isn´t available no more on the german Nikon website. The D7000 is now on the top.

  • ronin

    Just a few months ago a new Sony 50/1.8 (actual focal length) was being discounted to $75 new for US warranty.

    Nikon hit a wall with its artificially high V1 pricing. No sense in learning from your marketing (pricing) mistakes now.

    I’m holding out. I think this puppy will have a nice rebate by Christmas.

  • Jabs

    Whoa – Place went wacko due to maybe some deleted posts and the answers to them left hanging – lol.

    Bodes ‘well’ for tonight when all the Sony and Canon folks take a swipe at us Nikonians – lol.

    D600 and Nikon 1 rulez – OK

  • Eric Calabros

    and if there wasnt any canon troll, there will be DOF trolls for instead

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