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Is Tamron preparing new prime lenses for the Nikon 1 mirrorless system?

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Tamron filed a patent in Japan for several prime lenses designed for a camera with 1" sensor. Those lenses are probably intended for the Nikon 1 mirrorless camera, unless the new Canon mirrorless camera also has a 1" sensor.

The patent includes a 35mm f/2 (94.5mm equivalent), 40mm f/2 (108mm equivalent), 28mm f/2 (75.6mm equivalent) and 38mm f/2 (102.6mm equivalent) lenses.

In the past only Sigma officially confirmed their interest in making lenses for the Nikon 1 mirrorless system.

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  • RoyL

    Since the four are so close in range I assume they intend to produce only one of them. The 28mm would be nice. A 20mm would be welcome.

    • Steve

      What about Nikon making lenses for Nikon 1 ? They promised… but so far…

    • Everlast66

      Why make lenses for an EOL (end of life) device?!?
      Unless they’ve been given access to information for any future more useful system 1 models. But even then if they come up with a good designs for mirrorless wouldn’t they make lenses for most mirrorless mounts.

  • Mike

    Looking at the Canon EF-M mount, it looks like Nikon shot itself in the foot with the Nikon 1.

    It looks like Canon can put whatever sensor it wants behind the EF-M mount: 1″, G1X sensor, APS-C, full frame. This is a brilliant move, leaves the door open for a full frame mirrorless.

    • Steve

      +1 Gotta hope Nikon have an aps-c mirorless cam in the pipeline to compete with NEX and EFM

  • CRB

    wow, a bunch of flenghts that have no appeal whatsoever…

  • neversink

    Who Cares????…. Nikon 1 mirrorless system is a toy. It feels like a cheap piece of plastic. UGH!!!

    Wake me up when Nikon comes out with a full frame pro mirrorless system….

    zzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZzzzzzz

    • http://haroldellis4444@gmail.com Harold Ellis

      well it is meant to be toy for japanese girls, so…

    • PAG

      Uh, you’ve obviously not shot a V1 except perhaps inside a store where you picked it up already having formed your opinion. It is hardly a “cheap piece of plastic.” It’s actually built very well.

      • neversink

        How obvious is it to you!!!???

        I guess you weren’t with me the day my photo store lent it to me to walk around town for half a day shooting it. It is a plastic toy. Sorry if you disagree. To those shooting pro lenses on a Nikon 1 system, I give them a big Bronx cheer. You will get better IQ just cropping the image 2.7 times when shooting on an FX than you will from the so-called “extra-reach” this system gives you.

        Next time I’ll be sure to notify you in advance the next time I get to test a camera. I’d rather use a canon S90, 95, 100 or their G1x or Fuji’s X10 or X100 than this rinky dinky camera… even the Nikon P7000 is better than this Nikon mirror less system.

        • Mark Alan Thomas

          Thanks for sharing your hate.

        • danielm46

          It seems to me you have never used both the Nikon V1 and the Nikon P7000 on a regular daily base because the choice between these two models should appear to you very obvious in favor of the Nikon V1. Sorry for you…

        • Pablo Ricasso

          Oh man, he got you there. And me too. I never used a coolpix ever. I think I’ll go hide now. Fact is, Ive never even got my hands on a barbie cam…
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLmgXk4RlOc

        • PAG

          neversink said… “I guess you weren’t with me the day my photo store lent it to me to walk around town for half a day shooting it.”

          Great! Please provide a link to some of the photos you supposedly took.

        • elph

          Cheap plastic? Maaaybe. I’ve held one before and its fairly sturdy. That said, its just over $500 bucks and even the entry-level DSLRs are mainly plastic : P

        • lorenzino

          Mmmh, cheap plastic? Have you really have had one in your hands, or you are just inventing?
          Now, I am certainly not a fan of the 1 system, but the only certain thing is that the bodies do not feel “cheap”. Overpriced, yes, small sensor, yes, no lenses, yes, not enough controls, yes, cheap plastic body, nope. I guess you named the only weak point these cameras do not have…

      • http://micahmedia.com Micah

        Picked up and put right back down. Sure it’s well built, but user interface is utter crap. For less than half the price, I just picked up a GX1, which has a brilliant interface and a larger sensor.

        • RoyL

          Pick up a GX1…..and then get out a tripod and tell everyone to hold still because your AF system is right out of a Power Shot and you will need a few seconds. V1 is an actual real camera with an actual real AF system, and a very good one at that. I think I will stick with the V1 until something better comes along. It hasn’t yet.

          • Ke

            The Panasonic GX1 has a very good AF system – no it’s not phase detection, but still very good indeed. It’s all most people would need at any rate.

            At least it has a fairly decent sensor size & a great lens selection.

            • http://micahmedia.com Micah

              Actually in the crap light I’ve compared them in, I prefer the GX1. And the touch zoom to manual focus works a charm the V1 can’t.

            • http://micahmedia.com Micah

              …anyone who criticizes the AF in the GX1 with a comparison like that simply hasn’t used one.

    • ASkB

      If you don’t like it just buy something else that doesn’t remind you of your toys…

    • nuno santacana

      I’m afraid Fuji is the only one doing the homework properly.

      Nikon and Canon (who’s mirrorless apparently will also have a small sensor) have a lot to learn in terms of being brave and a bit less slaves of marketing.

      • Ke

        Canon’s mirrorless is APS-C.

  • Neil

    Looking forward to seeing a few more lenses for the 1. I’ve got a D800 but my light travel kit is a V1. It’s a great camera for when you don’t need the big gun. I’d like to see a 100 f/2 prime for the 1. I’d buy that in a second. Or a really impossibly wide one like a 5mm.

    • Jake

      How big do you think that might be?

      A nikkor 135mm f2 ais and adapter might be a nice addition. But the size of the two compared would need to be, well, comparable.

      What do ya think?

      • Neil

        It’ll still be pretty big but I’d guess overall still much smaller than the equivalent 35mm lens since the exit circle is much smaller. It’s right in that threshold where the front element starts getting too big to gain much by being a CX lens.

        I’ve used the FT1 with some other lenses and it’s nice but I’d like to see about a smaller lens that uses all the AF features of the V1.

  • Boing Wronkwell

    Consumers: Probably expensive stuff to buy for your expensive plaything. What matters to you in terms of buying this is “Will they do it in Hello Kitty pink”?

    Photographers: Nothing to see here, move right along.

  • preston

    Tamron with a portrait prime? They don’t even make the equivalent focal length (between 70mm and 105mm) for APS-C or full frame. .

  • Glenn

    As always people love to come here and criticize something they have zero actual experience with. The V1 is a pretty substantial camera. Not a plastic toy at all. It offers plenty of possibilities and plenty of resolution for general shooting. The system is great for travel or for when you just want a light kit to carry around. It’s not without some shortcomings, but that is the case with just about every camera.

    • Jake
      • http://haroldellis4444@gmail.com Harold Ellis

        those pics are nothing spectacular. cute chicks will look cute even on iphone pics.

        • Anonymous

          Harold,
          Those pictures show the following:
          1. Even pro photographers use the Nikon 1 system.
          2. Great photos can be made with the Nikon 1 system.

          Of course some of the images could have been made better, but they are not bad by themselves. I wish I could compare them with what kind of images you create. :)

          • rich in tx

            sorry, but I agree with Harold.

            Great pics may be able to be made on the 1, but THOSE are not particularly great and I dont think they prove the point ‘Jake’ was trying to make.

            • Jake

              I can agree with that. And yes they are missing my point.

              No need to post another link to a fashion shoot with an Iphone and 100k in lighting…..

          • http://haroldellis4444@gmail.com Harold Ellis

            1. i am pretty sure there are some pros who shop in wallmart as well

            2. Great photos can be made with the Nikon 1 system.
            as with every system…
            but those are not particulary great photos. rent a nice chick for an afternoon, shoot he with iphone and post it for criticism. most people do not understand power of photo story, they just look at the chick and say cool.

            • RoyL

              Think, Harold…if most people do not “understand the power of a photo story”, what is the story worth? It must be tiring for you, explaining the “photo story” behind your pictures to all your friends, who can’t possibly be on your level, since they are one of “most people”..

        • Jake

          I was hinting at it’s not so much the gear as how you use it. I don’t own a V1/J1. But I wouldn’t call it a toy in the right hands.

          Anyways anything in between ones vision and the final image is merely a medium.

      • Pablo Ricasso

        Yes Jake, when a good photographer mounts one of the best available full frame lenses to the camera he can produce results that only appear a little soft when viewed on a low resolution computer monitor if he doesn’t care much about bokeh. I’ll run to the toy store and buy five of them. Do they include the models too?

        • Jake

          Did you even read what I wrote before the links?

          • Pablo Ricasso

            And did you even bother to read this?

            “Thanks, my friends. Anna is very happy when reading your comments!
            My new gear is only a tiny Nikon mirrorless V1 plus a Nikon F mount FT1 adapter (Thank my lovely children for the gift ). This combo only suites for lanscape or closeup photograph, not for portraiture. Cause of the small size V1′s sensor with crop factor 2.7x, I can take advantage when shooting wildlife, macro subjects, but could not make a suitable bokeh for portraiture!”

            It was written by the person whose photos you linked.
            And It agrees with everything I have already said about small format cameras. They are good for telephoto and macro and especially when you can’t afford or carry better. That’s about it.

            • Chimphappyhour

              Probably because you lack creativity. Photography isn’t all just bokeh, even portrait photography. ;)

            • Jake

              You never said those things in this thread so how could I have agreed or even known.

              And like you said not for portraiture. Agreed. Obviously.

              All I’m saying it’s not a toy, far from a professional camera indeed, but not some POS P&S.

            • Pablo Ricasso

              Alright chimp happy R. We don’t have bokeh. We don’t have resolution. We don’t have lenses. We certainly don’t have much of a viewfinder. And we have an uncountable number of other systems, each competing with the other to see which one can be the first to be obsolete…
              As long as I don’t care about any of that I’m sure it’s a great camera and Tamron will only have to guess at the proprietary information for it and about a dozen other competing systems. (I’m sure they’ll pull it off without a glitch.)
              The only thing we really have is a little more portability than some other systems. The main creative use for this is to see where I can sneak the thing or to see how lazy (convenient) I can be because anything with a slightly larger form had better damn well put it to shame.
              I suppose I am fearing that some people will invest in a system that becomes rendered obsolete by their own camera phones at some point. But hey, I’m probably just not creative enough…

          • RoyL

            These cameras were designed to replace P&S cameras, a better way to take pictures without the weight of a D800 around your neck, or even a D7000. They are designed to be incredibly fast, and they are….faster than anything up to the level of enthusiast cameras…faster than anything comparable from any other maker, including Canon G1x. They are designed to deliver very good image quality, and they do. They are designed for very good video and special effects functionality, and they deliver.

      • Shawn

        Those pictures aren’t very good. You certainly couldn’t sell them.

    • KnightPhoto

      + 1 Glenn.

      I’m finding my two-zoom V1 kit on my belt in a small Kata belt bag (designed for the NEX-5) to be pretty practical when travelling with the wife and two daughters.

      I guess an alternative would be to she’ll out for a 28-300 for my FX cameras but that is a lot more conspicuous and changes the feel of things. So yeah, my little V1 kit continues to have a place. Haters see Rob Galbraith for further reasons why.

    • PAG

      +2. My wife shoots the V1 for weight reasons (she has medical issues) and produces very nice photos.

      I suspect those that bash it have such amazing photography skills that they are severely limited by anything under 100MP, double the DR available today, and every zoom lens ever made. 50 years from now their brilliance will shine as technology catches up with their genius.

      • Collins

        +1

        I personally don’t use the 1 series camera. But it doesn’t mean that the 1 series is not good enough for a majority of the population to take pictures with.

      • rich in tx

        wow. angry much?

        • PAG

          Nah. I just don’t suffer fools gladly.

    • Shawn

      Hey, don’t forget that resolution, sharpness, sensor size, clean ISO, dynamic range, number of AF points, and FPS are all WAY more important than lighting, composition, framing, and emotion.

      We all know the only way to actually improve your photographs is to buy a better camera, and the Nikon 1 has a small sensor so it just isn’t a good camera.

      • Pablo Ricasso

        So I will take your comment to heart. But WAIT!!! I already HAVE a point and shoot! And my neighbor already has a camera phone…

        • Shawn

          Sorry, you need a full frame digital sensor or you shouldn’t bother ever pressing the shutter release.

          • Pablo Ricasso

            Something like that.

            Here’s one of the first cameras I bought. When it was new you could buy a clip that would hold it to your belt. They also were the ones who popularized the 40 F2 pancake lens. Wake me up when there’s a digital version of it…

            http://photoethnography.com/ClassicCameras/AsahiPentaxME.html

            • Stop whining

              Hey Pablo what are you still even doing on this forum.You should just go out and buy top of the line Medium format camera and don’t play around with 35mm format.

            • Pablo Ricasso
      • Pellevin

        Shawn>>If the only way to improve your photos is to buy a better camera then you should not be taking pictures at all. Sure equipment is important in photography but it is far from everything. Even the best photographer in the world can imrpve in many areas, and he could certainly take stunning pictures with the V1.

        The best camera is the one you have with you, the one that comfortably let you catch the moment and there a small camera has many advantages. I don’t own the V1 but I am looking into a V1 or one of the better 4/3 cameras as a complement to my DSLRs.

        Besides when it comes to FPS the V1 smokes anything you have got… But still I am leaning towards 4/3 as a backup since they have better lenses, shorter DoF and many other advantages. However if Nikon would show they are serios with te 1 system it could get interesting. We need some very fast primes to begin with and preferably a real enthusiast body. The J1 replacement on the other hand must be smaller to meet the competition. That is one of the main flaws with the current system. Smaller sensor but still bigger camera/lens than some of the 4/3 offerings.

        • Pablo Ricasso

          And I can’t believe that you failed to see Shawn’s sarcasm. I agree that there is a need for a quality small format camera. What each company should have done is adopted the Olympus micro 4/3 format which was openly presented for anybody to adopt. But that means that the companies would have had to really compete with each other in order to sell the most bodies and lenses rather than establishing a monopoly each time they lure a sucker into their system. As it stands, the lenses this article is about will have a high probability of not working very well with any of the brands they are applied to and we will all pay more for very little.

          • Shawn

            Amen Pablo. I would choose m4/3 at this moment for a smaller camera, mostly due to the massive choice in lenses. Just wish they would do something different/better than their “competitors”.

        • Shawn

          Pellevin,

          I apologize if you didn’t see my sarcasm. I personally don’t think camera really matters unless there is a very specific technique you are attempting to apply or a very specific end use you are aiming for.

          I say this because I continue to see the most brilliant works of art coming from all kinds of cameras and lenses (even iPhones!). Real art, the kind of stuff judged on how it looks and not the technical superiority of the lens, sensor, number of RAW bit channels, Photoshop techniques, and Nik software plug-ins used to create it.

          That probably begs the question, what the hell am I doing here. I find I am quickly outpacing my DSLR body, and unfortunately nothing out there in my price range really meets my needs. So I look to the future excitedly to see what Nikon has in store for us.

          Also I have a couple of d-bag friends who are always comparing Canon & Nikon like it’s some kind of pissing contest. Doesn’t hurt that I know my sh*t and know more than they do.

        • RoyL

          Shawn, you are right about the lenses. The 30-110 is a real jewel of a lens, but one must get pretty close for portraiture, and even then DOF is deep. However, neither does M4/3 deliver in that department when compared to full frame cameras.
          Think about the reasons to carry these cameras. “Speed” has to be number one in the equation, and speed is where the 1 Series really shines. If you have time for a tripod and time for CDAF using manual focus, why not use a D800? M4/3 delivers marginal quality at best, arguably not as good as the V1, and the class leading NEX 5n can only deliver APS-C, and with a very poor AF system at that. The Oly EP-3 is only a little better for AF. The G1x is hopeless. I have not used a small camera in years, not until the V1 was introduced. And I only use that when I simply cannot carry a DSLR. If I am with family at a nature preserve, how will I capture birds in flight unless I have a V1 or a DSLR? There is nothing in between.

  • Sahaja

    How do we know these designs are for the Nikon 1? Tamron sometimes OEM’s lenses for other companies. They might also be for some industrial camera or cine camera.

    If they are designed for the Nikon 1 – it seems unlikely that they would make them all since some are so close in focal length.

    All are in the range of short telephoto or portrait lenses. Seems strange to design a bunch of prime lenses in this range and no normal or wide angle lenses. Who knows, maybe they are lenses for a portrait camera system for taking mug shots or pictures for ID cards.

    • Stuffers

      >__<

      Do lens companies normally put "Mug" portrait shots as a high priority market for their lenses???

      I wonder if there is a forum where people argue over this…..

      "This one catching more wrinkle shadow detail….. But this one captures their internal emotional struggles……"

      • Sahaja

        Tamron make lenses for CCTV security & surveillance cameras, and for machine vision.

        http://www.tamron.com/en/cctv_ip/

        In fact they make more different lenses for those applications than they do for regular photography. It seems more than likely that these patents are for lenses designed for use in that field than that they are lenses for the Nikon 1 system.

        http://www.tamron.com/en/cctv_ip/fa_megapixel/

        Unless they are making OEM lenses for Nikon, if Tamron are going to make lenses for mirror less camera systems, it makes much more sense to make lenses useful for m4/3 and APS-C – then they can put them on different mounts sell them to users of Panasonic, Olympus, Samsung, Sony and Canon systems.

  • http://na dino

    Just by chance.. it was so difficult to realize a 28-40 f/2 ??? It’s a very short range to cover and they would have virtually set every need of portraiters. Designing and realizing 5 different lenses so close in focal lenght is much more expensive, imho….

    • http://na dino

      As far as I see, both 35-40 looks a very valid optical construction since rays follow a regular path and they flow through lenses very similar in diameter (it’s easier to define paths than when you pass from huge front lenses to smaller inner lenser as it happens with wide angles) ; the huge convex and reversed lens on the 28 makes me think, instead. Also the 38 should be (theoretically) a tad below (likely, otherwise above if very special glass is used) the 35 and the 40 because of the ending (exit) lenses with a different shape.

  • John

    Seems like Tamron is designing a series of lenses to fit several mirrorless formats, just like they do with APS-C lenses (Sigma too). I guess we’ll see the exact models once Canon launches their mirroless camera soon.

  • Anon

    Huh, who cares anything about Nikon 1… which is a total failure starting with its sensor size.

    C’mon, any news about D400? and D600 too.

  • Anon

    Nikon 1 was born dead, they should work for Nikon 2 with a 24mp APS-C mirrorless similar to the successful SonyNEX-7.

    • Sahaja

      Now that Canon are releasing an APS-C mirrorless system I think Nikon are going to have to respond by releasing a large sensor mirrorless system of their own.

      If Nikon were really brave, they would come out with a full-frame “pro” mirrorless system (a digital Nikon SP) which, in terms of IQ, would blow every m4/3 and APS-C mirrorlesss system away. Sadly, I expect this won’t happen.

  • Shawn

    I love how everyone craps all over the Nikon 1. Sure it’s a little pricey, doesn’t really have any lenses, and the sensor could have been a smidge larger. Thing is, Nikon seems to be the only one trying to revolutionize mirrorless. Putting phase detect AF inside was brilliant, no one else has even tried that (I do not count the single phase detect AF sensor in the Canon T4i to even be an attempt).

    If Nikon can actually fix the complaints about the Nikon 1 (price, lenses, interface), I think the system has a lot of potential.

    They’re doing a better job than a lot of the fringe mirrorless systems being introduced now. I just can’t figure out why no one else has figured out that full phase detect belongs in every mirrorless AND SLR with live view. The former would seriously give every low-end DSLR a run for its money.

  • Pablo Ricasso

    I would think that Sony had done more for and more with the system than anybody.

    • Shawn

      I wasn’t too familiar with the Sony NEX so I just read Thom Hogan’s review of the NEX-5. I wasn’t too impressed, technically it seems like a competent camera, but it doesn’t solve any of the problems that I would want to solve by going mirrorless (small size with a photographer friendly interface).

      Can you be more specific? I’d like to hear your perspective.

      On the other hand I think Sony went in a good direction with the “translucent mirror” in their DSLRs. The hybrid contrast/phase detect is a great idea, though not quite performing up to what I think such a hybrid system is capable of. As an aside, I can’t figure out why Sony isn’t playing the #3 in the DSLR market card very well. There are at least a dozen features lacking in the lower end Canon & Nikon DSLRs that Sony could easily add in to give those systems a run for their money. Every time I handle a Sony DSLR, I find it has fewer useful settings and tweaks than the equivalent Canons & Nikons.

      • Pablo Ricasso

        I was talking about their DSLRs. And I suppose they aren’t true mirrorless systems. I really never heard the word used before Sony introduced the translucent system, so I tend to lump them together. I’m thinking that every cheap camera that has a viewfinder separate from the main lens, like the throw away film cameras they sell in the grocery stores for five bucks, is mirrorless. I’m thinking that most cameras with electronic viewfinders are mirrorless. I’m thinking that most of the pocket digitals made since day one are mirrorless. The word has very little meaning now that I think about it. I suppose it sounds better than just saying “cheap.”

        • Shawn

          I think I’ve been reading Thom Hogan too long (http://www.sansmirror.com/), as I’ve become accustom to his definition of mirrorless, which is specifically the EVIL line of cameras (Electronic Viewfinder, Interchangeable Lens). Since the Sony Alpha cameras still have “translucent” or “silvered” or “pellicle” mirrors, they can’t really be considered mirrorless.

          I think another key features of “mirrorless” is small size. The Sony Alphas are still large because they need the extra space between the sensor and the lens.

          I think this is becoming the standard definition, but don’t take my word for it because I’m not “in the biz”.

    • PAG

      The Sony NEX has one major flaw. They chose a DX sensor so the lenses aren’t any smaller than those for other DX format cameras. When the Nikon 3xxx and the low-end Canon Rebel series cameras go mirrorless (and they will), the NEX will have nothing unique that it can provide. DX and FX sensors are both hitting practical MP and performance peaks after which only camera geeks (like all of us here) will even notice the small increases in ISO handling and DR. That means the fight will be for size and price.

      Even now all the NEX-7 has to offer over a D3200 is a somewhat smaller size and diminished performance for double the price. I don’t know the Canon line well but I expect you could say the same about their bottom end model.

      The Nikon 1 can make smaller lenses while still using DX and FX lenses with an adapter. As technology gets better, the sensors will get better but the lenses can still remain small. It’s a system that has room to grow while the NEX line seems like it’s now mature and faces upward pressure from m4/3 and Nikon 1 (and maybe a smallr sensor Canon) and downward pressure from low end DSLRs especially when they eventually go mirrorless.

      • Pablo Ricasso

        I half agree but nobody has really tried to make a full lineup of primes for an APS sensor being as they had the same mount as the full frame lenses that were already available. If they can continue to advance the light gathering ability of the sensor so that noise or low light performance is not a problem, then you might be surprised at how small some f4 or even f2.8 lenses can be. Especially if we can agree that this is a second or third tier system and that it’s ok to gundeck a little bit on light falloff and distortion like some people are already doing.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryUVdwdzOwQ

        • RoyL

          Pablo, you are lost in the lenses. Sony NEX, all of them, have atrocious AF systems, even compared to M4/3 models. All of the low light capability is wasted, unless one is shooting still subjects. Even in well lit rooms a NEX is forced to max aperture because of the AF system. You simply cannot consistently shoot moving subjects with any NEX of any flavor. The same is true to a lesser extent with Oly. They don’t perform a lot better than cheap P&S cameras.
          Nikon got one thing right for sure. You have to start with the focus system and build from there.

    • Sahaja

      Sony need more quality lenses for their NEX system. So far I think they have released more different NEX bodies than E-mount lenses.

  • NotLow

    The 1 series, granted has a tiny sensor bordering on point and shoot territory sure but it’s does have some great features for the point and shoot user that always misses a shot due to the shutter lag and brutal autofocus that plague point and shoots.

    What Nikon screwed up with the 1 series. Layout and handling stinks. Maybe I’m just spoiled from the D90 layout with buttons to change ISO, WB, metering etc… with the press of a button and turning of a command dial.

    I much prefer the handling and control scheme of the NEX5N easier to shoot full manual than the 1 series.

    Downside to the Nex5N EVF is extra and can’t use flash at the same time. Nexproshop has already solved the lack of standard hotshoe in the Nex5.

    If Nikon wants a mirrorless win. They take all of it’s unique features, Expeed3, and the D7000 sensor, and put it into a body with a standard hot shoe with dual control dials and easy access layout with a F-mount and keep the EVF. Give it the same ultra fast autofocus because we would all love to have 135 focus points. And price it under 1000. instant win.

    But then again Nikon doesn’t want to cannibalize their entry level dslr sales so they made the lowly V1, the ultimate birder and macro machine when using the F-mount adapter of course.

    Would you be able to do portraits with say an 85 1.4 w/ND filter and the F-mount adapter and shoot wide open? Sure the weight balance will be way off but it would work wouldn’t it? At least there is no loss of light.

    Video autofocus of fast moving subjects is a 1 series strength though.

    • Pellevin

      Not wanting to canabalize their DSLR sales are Nikon’s greatest mistake. Many serious photographers are in the business for a small alternative for their DSLRs. Right now Nikon is losing that market to the competition since they did not offer a true enthusiast level 1 camera. Make one with easy accesible manual controls, update the firmware flaws, improve the sensor slightly, add a swiweling screen and some fast glass and boom you have a real competitior. Then make the J2 as small as possible to differentiate the two models and justify the small sensor size by building a smaller camer than the competition.

  • Roger Botting

    Who cares about Nikon 1 lenses when you can get theses very limited edition lenes and cameras.
    http://blog.datacolor.com/david-cardinal-ambient-light-in-the-digital-workflow/

  • http://www.flickr.com/steenheilesen Steen Heilesen

    I like toys :)
    The V1 can do things my D800 can’t do.
    However buying those Tamron lenses when I can use my Nikkor lenses
    I’m not sure.

    • Kim Seng

      Toys…. who care about toys… Toys that can take excellent pictures and that all I need. Toys that can roll out good pictures all the time. That is the camera I want. Having to many controls you tend to make more mistakes than ever.

  • http://www.gordonmoat.com Gordon Moat

    Interesting concepts, and considering the sales figures so far, not a bad move by Tamron. However, I would prefer a genuine Nikon 1 fast prime over a Tamron, if the price levels are even close. Quite likely we will need to wait a couple more months to find out.

  • happysnapper63

    I noted that the rumours are that the Canon will have the G1X sensor. So I doubt
    Tamron will build them any time soon. A base covering exercise I think. Most buyers will get a single or twin lens kit and never look at another photo product website until their body conks out.

    When one looks at the dynamics of sensor size v lens size for a given aperture/focal length plus physical body size and crop factor it seems to me that each manufacturer is almost creating a single supplier submarket within the overall compact system market.

    For anyone who can put their emotions to one side it will not be a case of deciding which manufacturer, but deciding which range best suits the buyers priorities then they buy it from THE manufacturer who supplies that submarket.

    The size of certain submarkets will be substantially bigger than others.

    The overall market will grow and eventually anyone humping a DSLR sized camera and lenses about on a family day out, family holiday or even when visiting a place of historic or international interest will be the subject of sniggering and the like. As for IQ the average social photographer can’t see the difference and does not care, providing the images look OK when up on facebook.

  • ronin

    MY consumer product that any idiot can buy is the BEST, and therefore I am the best. I identify myself by my consumer product which any idiot can buy.

    YOUR consumer product that any idiot can buy is not the one I chose to buy, therefore it is the WORST, and therefore I am better than you.

    I am compelled to reiterate this at every point, because continual assurance of my own superiority is necessary to my well being. Further, demeaning YOUR consumer product over my own, at every opportunity, helps me feel a little bit more secure in my own superiority. Finally, I hide these facts by convincing myself that I demean YOUR consumer product merely as a public service, and am not instead trying to convince you of my hip wit nor of my lack of 100% security of my own decision with regard to a consumer product choice that many other idiots make.

  • jasper

    Please give Nikon V1 & J1 a “Get Out of Jail Free card”. I’m sure Nikon will come out with more lenses(fast) & better model V2 & J2 soon.

  • Pablo Ricasso

    I got to thinking about all of this this weekend and I was probably hard on the camera. Many things will probably happen.
    1) The price will come down.
    2) The pixel count will increase.
    3) They will probably make a constant aperture 10-30 lens and a wide angle something.
    4) The new body might shrink a bit.
    Also, I was probably exaggerating when I compared the sensor to a camera phone. If the auto focus system can be spot on in all sorts of conditions then this an improvement. It is essentially a modern half frame camera and might have some use. I suppose my fears about the camera phones are unfounded as the trend is likely to be a continued slimming down, which means that they won’t be sporting large sensors. Some people are probably right when they say that the sensor needed to be this small in order for the lenses to be also. We should give it time and just appreciate it for what it is…

    • http://www.gordonmoat.com Gordon Moat

      The sensor size is near Super 16 motion picture film camera size. Even the flange to focal length is very close to C-mount movie lens distance, which is why so many adapters are available.

      To increase the pixel count might please some consumers, because as industry surveys show, most people only care about the pixel count. This is an unfortunate trend that the industry created, when the marketing push from all companies over-emphasized that aspect above all other features. Making the pixel cell sites smaller would hurt low light performance.

      As someone who carries nearly 22kg of medium format gear for work, I like the small size of the V1 as a back-up camera. I even used it for one restaurant shoot and the client was ecstatic about the images. If the images are being printed full page size in a magazine, or just going to the internet, then the V1 fits that output quite well.

      I definitely have criticisms of the Nikon V1. The “F” button should be allowed to be programmed for a Function I use more often. There is definitely a need for f2 or faster lenses, because cranking the ISO has limits. The flash shoe needs an adapter to enable using a radio trigger, or hooking up a sync cord. Also, I wish I could shut off image review when using the V1 through the viewfinder.

  • Pablo Ricasso

    And if they had utilized that auto focus system a bit sooner, nobody would be able to pretend that the D800 wasn’t the best thing they ever thought about. And then we could all get lazy lazy lazy….

  • Pablo Ricasso

    Well, of course now that I have said all that, Canon introduced a similar sized camera with a rebel sensor and I’m back to thinking much as I had originally. (DA SENSOR 2 SMALL!!!) This might still be good if they can shrink the body and make some really small lenses, but it’s starting to appear that Canon has agreed to concede the pro market to Nikon in exchange for them being allowed to maintain superiority in the point and shoot consumer world.
    Nikon should continue to develop and utilize that focus system.

    • http://www.gordonmoat.com Gordon Moat

      Check the review of that new Canon over at PDN. They feel the slowness of the autofocus makes it a non-starter.

      The quickness and accuracy of the Nikon V1 is the main reason I bought one. Every professional camera I have ever used had a quick shutter release, with extremely little lag. The biggest issue with small cameras for many years is that it took too long to get any shot. The V1 is fast enough I was able to capture the muzzle blast out of a rifle my best friend was firing.

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