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Additional Nikon D800/D800E coverage

Some additional Nikon D800/D800E coverage from around the Web:

  • Another promo video shot with a D800:

  • More D800 hands-on videos:

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  • http://www.crosis.de/blog Thomas

    Sample pics

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/heavywi…n/photostream/

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/heavywi…n/photostream/

    • Anonymous Maximus

      Links are broken…

    • http://bit.ly/9NIXQ Sir David Hasselblaff

      The “E” in D800e stands for “expert” … people who actually know how to take a picture.

      • http://StevenGeorges.com Steven Georges

        Perhaps they should have called it “P” for lots of post processing. ;-)

      • Jabs

        E = enhanced
        E =edumacated user
        E = excellent – dude
        E = Er… what was dat
        E = eradicate da competition

        LOL.

      • Anonymous Maximus
        • Luis

          Where did this comparison shot come from?

      • Andrew

        “E” stands for Extra Effort to get a great picture. First shoot in Raw. Then upload your picture to your PC. Then launch the special software. Select plug-in. Remove moiré. Examine result. Re-calibrate. Now try removing moiré again. Not working as expected. Instruct model to come in for another shoot. This time model should wear a dress that does not have too many stripes. Perfect!

    • http://haroldellis4444@gmail.com Harold Ellis

      Hi Admin, any info about D900 and D5?

      • yhannoby

        lol!

      • jetelinho

        brilliant! :-)))

      • http://www.seanmolin.com Sean Molin

        Seriously. Where is your D900, Nikon? I’m switching to Canon.

  • Will

    Any thoughts on why all the hands-on demos seem to be with a 28-70mm as opposed to the 24-70mm? It seems to be the same in London as in New York.

    • Donji hogfan

      I was wondering about that too.

      Maybe Nikon is stack with a large unsold stock ans since this lens is very close to the 24-70, they decided to send the D800 with that one. Maybe not?

    • http://haroldellis4444@gmail.com Harold Ellis

      because 28-70 is prettier!
      24-70 looks like from high school of vomiting design

    • Jabs

      Probably to demonstrate the new quick aperture feature as the older lens has aperture markings plus you can change them from the lens body while the newer lens is a G Series and thus does not have any aperture markings or settings on the lens body.
      That might make it more suitable for Video work as well as stills?

  • FX DX

    Where is the side by side high ISO comparison with D700?

    • Spokesdude

      Precisely!!!

  • Martin
  • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

    here is an alternative link for Cliff Mautner post and samples, his website is getting hammered:

    http://cliffmautner.typepad.com/

    • Richard

      Admin,

      Thanks!

      The EXIF data for the shot (head and hands) with the commentary about the facial recognition capability getting the exposure correct for the face (and hence requiring not compensation by the photographer) showed that it was shot on July 6, 2011!

      The hair and eyelash detail is quite nice even on reduced for the web files.

  • Chris P

    I find it very interesting that Rob Van Petten states in his blog that ‘The [high density] sensor is sensitive to motion blur”, this caused him problems to such an extent that when using the 200 f2 with flash in the studio he found it necessary to use a tripod.

    I can’t wait to see the posts where new D800 owners are screaming that they aren’t getting sharp results when using it hand held at 1/100th sec, after all it is 36Mp and their lens has VR :-)

    • Sand

      Look at the positive side..It will force to improve the technique…

    • Levi H

      Yeah, I don’t see how this camera is supposed to be aimed towards wedding photographers. If all you did were bridals and posed engagement / family shots the pictures would be excellent, but in the real world I want to see the shots of the bride walking down the aisle, the first kiss, the first dance, reception photos, the guys goofing off in the ready room with awful lighting, etc.

      While all the improvements to the focusing system sound like they would be really beneficial to wedding photography (especially focusing -2EV), I don’t see such a slow camera making the cut.

      Of course we will have to wait for both the D800 and D4 to be released to the public for real world (and technical) testing, but looks like my money is on the D4 still for wedding photography. Sucks cuz I would love to only spend half as much!

      • RumpelHund

        I did not feel like upgrading from my D700, but this taking special care of the face for AF, flash and exposure tempts me well beyond reason.

        I shoot 1/250s with the 85mm today to get it super-sharp in my shaky hands, and require high ISO for it. So D800 will have me raise the ISO bar even more (to get it sharp on pixel level).
        Sigh. I’d rather have a 12MP D800, or 16 for god’s sake.

        My 512GB SSD-laptop already crunches heavily on tons of 12MP. Can’t think of processing and storing those 36MP in the numbers I shoot.
        Sigh.

        Sigh.

        Sigh.

        Nikon, you’re really giving me a hard time!

        • Jabs

          Get a monopod with a removable head or a sturdy (sturdier) tripod and slow down plus use more flash to stop action better.

          Update your shooting techniques to match the new requirements of a higher resolution sensor plus carefully focus, watch your depth of field and make sure that your camera’s eyepiece is properly adjusted to the diopter of YOUR own eyes = greater success, perhaps.

          Slow down and carefully compose plus check everything before you shoot at 36 megapixels = what needs to be done now!

          • Steven Georges

            I know all about “updating your shooting techniques” from the D2h days. Lots of missing the moment, not shooting during difficult lighting situations (you know, real life) and tons of work in Photoshop and Noise Ninja to try and hide the high ISO limitations of my camera.

            Don’t get me wrong, the D800 is a GREAT camera. I’m sure the high ISO is as good as a D700, but it does have limitations. Pair it up with a D3s or a D4 when shooting weddings or any other challenging and quick situations and you have a killer combination!

            • Jabs

              Yeah – lol

              The upgrading that I was talking about was an upgrade in SKILLS as a shooter as in when to shoot with what filter, what F-stop and what shutter speed = experience instead of run and gun and then hope for a ‘miracle’ in Post.

              To me – using higher megapixels is almost akin to or like using a longer lens say above 300 to 400mm wide open.

              Not many know how to properly, so an upgrade of their skill set is needed.

              Get a tripod/monopod, learn how to use neutral density filters, polarizers and such.

              USE the depth of field button or switch.

              Lock up your mirror or use a self timer or a remote release = what needs to be learned AGAIN, as digital plus Photoshop expectations have spoiled many shooters indeed.

              Learn how to use fill flash even under bright mid-day lighting conditions plus reflectors and such things that are now being lost or being taken for granted by many!

            • Steven Georges

              Jabs,
              It took every skill I had (and a few I had to invent) to make the D2h look good, er, not that bad.

              But I do agree with you, new equipment is no substitute for skill. But bad equipment (I’m not saying the D800 is bad) can hinder a good photographer.

        • Jake

          You’re not going to be printing most of your photos at 100%, so why worry about being sharp on a per-pixel level? If you blur stuff by one or two pixels, then downscale. It’s easy. Also, people like you don’t seem to get that this is EXACTLY the same pixel density as the D7000. If you can get sharp pictures with the D7000, you will get sharp pictures with the D800.

          High ISO worries? The D7000 is nearly equal to the D700 in terms of ISO performance, and the D800’s sensor is almost 18 months younger than the D7000, so the low light performance should match or exceed the D700 at 100%. The D800 will drastically outperform the D700 when viewed normally, or when downscaled to 12 MP.

          Have problems with 75 megabyte RAW files? Buy more storage space. Before the Thailand floods, I picked up 6 TB (enough for ~75,000 pictures) of external storage for $260, and the hard drive prices should work their ways down to that level soon enough. Problem processing? Buy a new computer. When the D700 was released, your average computer had about 20% of a computer today. If you could deal with 20 Megabyte RAW files in 2008, you can certainly deal with 75 megabyte files four years later.

          Sigh
          Sigh
          Sigh

          Still bitching? then don’t buy the camera that is obviously not even aimed at you.

          We’ve known for months that the D800 would not be a direct descendent of the D700. Admittedly, Nikon probably dropped the ball by not releasing a D700s… but did you really expect a camera with the D4 sensor to come out a month after the D4 was announced?

          There is right now an $1800 gap in Nikon’s lineup between their prosumer D7000 and the professional D800. I promise you something will fill that spot very soon, and will probably be exactly what you’re looking for.

          • Jake

            Oops, slipped up with my html tags.

            And I meant to say “When the D700 was released, your average computer had about 20% of the power of a computer today.”

          • Andrew

            Jake, excellent comment. I like the part about Nikon being in a transition phase. Nikon will sell tons of D800, and when a smaller sized version of the D4 comes out, they will again sell a ton load of those. At that point, most of the sales will weight towards the smaller, lighter D4. For anyone that cannot wait or those desiring high MP, the D800 is an excellent camera.

          • http://www.seanmolin.com Sean Molin

            + 76

          • bert

            I do have a point though: The lady on the sample page can’t cope with 36 megapixel. Damn she has a lot of skin defects…. Think the Full-HD porn problem is cumming to plain pictures now.

    • http://eleventhphotograph.com elph

      I dunno, I find that debatable. I mean if the D700 (example) camera had 36mp results, if you were to zoom in enough on the images you’d get the same results no? The point is you’re not zooming far enough in with D700 pictures to see the “motion blur”, you can down-sample the larger 36mp image and that will eliminate most of the problem, like when you want to print it for a photo book.
      If you were to take the two identical images produced by the two cameras you wouldn’t notice any difference side-by-side.

      • Jabs

        Motion blur so far, cannot be fixed in Post – maybe masked but you need to shoot it right in the first place as 36 megapixel will just show up YOUR own inadequacies as a photographer.

        Back to basics now.

        Motion blur is like image ‘ghosting’ from either you plus equipment or the subject moving or even from low shutter speeds – maybe focusing errors also.

        • Luis

          I think what he was trying to say is that if the amount of motion blur was very, very slight it might show on the D800 when pixel peeping but not show on the D700.

        • Ken

          well moderate amount of Motion blur and handshake blur can be fixed in post with the new photoshop CS6, if the motionblur removal filter make it to the final version.

          check this video and you´ll forget you wrote that.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q10kwKm77RY&feature=related

          • Ken

            the next gen cameras with the right softwares wont even need to have IS/VR stabilized lens to shoot at 1/2 a sec and get perfectly sharp shots.

            • Jabs

              Artificial versus REAL

              Get it right the first time, as most trained eyes can see a lousy shot no matter what the resolution or megapixel – Photoshop or NOT.

              Faking it, fools some while Technology moves on and gives us benefits plus also makes us lazy often.

              Looking forward to CS6 but not about to hold my breath for properly fixing a blurred shot – lol.

            • Ken

              arent we lazy enough mate? otherwise you´d be carrying around a big wooden camera on your shoulders.
              times change, fake or not, real or unreal,technology has advanced a lot, and only fools and naysayers will stay behind.
              hold on, when you see it in action you´ll need to calm yourself down , might give u immense stress trying to not accept the reality.

            • Jabs

              LOL – tell that to the women with silicone enhancements and then adjust your or her reality.

              Remember when Laura Craft originally became a sensation in the video game world and 3D was bad then (at least on that game) – people tried to make themselves look like that artificial ‘reality’ and thus went backwards? Life imitating unreality now plus photoshopped ‘models’ looking like bad 3D models!

              I love technology and KNOW what reality is = big difference, as one keeps you grounded and the other makes a fool or a tool of you.

              I am the photographer and the camera is the tool – basically (not the other way round)!

              I have no problem with fixing things in post, but if it takes away from ‘naturalness’, then generally no thanks – reminds me of over-processed HDR versus carefully and slightly enhanced HDR.

              Whatever floats your boat.

      • den

        i know what you are trying to say and to some extend this might be true. but what is the reason for buying such a high mpix-count camera and then downsample so that the “motion blur” is a little less visible. either you can master the cam or don´t buy…

        • jodjac

          It should not be any worse than the D 7000.

    • Been there guy

      There is no substitution for lack of technique and skills.

      This is not a magic fix for every inferior shooters out there.

      It is a tool for an expert to advance their crafts.

    • Richard

      People noticed this with the D7000 which has roughly the same size pixel as the D800.

      Aside from the use of a monopod, tripod or other rest when possible, watching shutter speed is important as well as being as careful as possible to not disturb the camera when releasing the shutter. There seems to be a thought that the old “rule of reciprocals” needs to be modified when the D7000 is involved. If the 200mm lens is used, the “rule of reciprocals” would suggest a minimum shutter speed of 1/200th sec. People have become accustomed to getting away with shutter speeds slower than the rule suggested because of VR technology…until they run into problems with subject motion. It has been suggested that one and a half times the “rule of reciprocals” or 1/300th sec in this instance.

      Some say that the additional weight of the battery grip helps and that shooting in three shot bursts helps because the second or third frame may be better.

      What actually works is a matter of experimentation.

      • Wade

        I completely agree with the D7000 comparison and recommendation of 1.5x reciprocal shutter speeds. I bought a D7000 and sold my old D700 when I saw the similar ISO and slightly better dynamic range the D7000 provided THEN I realized how sloppy some my shots looked up close handheld in low light. I bought another D700 for those situations. The required shutter speed differences are about 2:1. I’m sure there will be the same learning curve on the D800 and people will be driven to use slightly higher ISO to compensate. That being said I ordered a D800. I figure that my “training” on the D7000 should qualify me :)

  • Erich

    The kid’s video is insane!

    • Chandra

      Where is the link for this Kid’s video?

      • Chandra

        Duh!! Just saw it. The link was not showing all day. Now, I see the second video.

  • http://www.MartinWongPhotography.com Martin

    Thanks for everything admin.

  • Nitpicker

    Aaaaand… PRE-ORDERED @ calumet. Gonna go sans-“E”, gonna do quite some fashion stuff with it, the moiré scares me, regular D800 seems to be more than enough (and with a little PS smart sharpening @ 0,1 pix it looks great).

  • http://www.4togadget.com/ HotDuckZ

    Just a girl with sexy camera~!!! D800E
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    http://www.flickr.com/photos/thanatham/6834733141/in/photostream

  • PeterO

    The “What Digital Camera” preview video has a date stamp of Feb. 5 2011. Wow, they’ve had this thing for over a year.

    • Myl3s

      I’m thinking that gatta be a typo. The fashion guy said he did his shots last april, so It’ possible, but the nikon rep in the what video says releasinng today, so it makes much more sense that it was taken this week.

      • PeterO

        Definitely a typo.

        • Myl3s

          Although that same nikon rep also said — releasing alongside the d700. Strange.

          • WoutK89

            He said, it sits alongside the D700. Nothing new there, considering the different target audiences.

            • Myl3s

              Okay, fair, but you don’t think thats a little strange considering the d700 is discontinued?

            • WoutK89

              As long as its available, I dont think it to be strange. So far only the Japanese site lists it as discontinued. Only when worldwide you see them being discontinued, yes then it is strange we dont have something similar in the line-up.

            • big m

              in the german hands on video, they state that the D800 is not a replacement for the D700 and that therefore the D700 will remain in the program

  • morg

    I wish the second D800 was a strip down D4 so you had a choice instead off spending 6k for a d4.Now I will wait to see what the D400 looks like or pick up a D700? confused!

    • WoutK89

      I wish Nikon pro glass would cost 1/10 of the cost, and will keep on dreaming.
      You knew what the D800(E) would be, yet still somehow you are disappointed and/or surprised it is not what you think it should be?

    • Jabs

      @morg

      The D800 is a few hundred dollar more than the D700, but of course has slower fps. You may have to wait until a body comes between the D4 and the D800 but I would not buy a D700 new now, unless strapped for cash.

      D800 is a new FX era and probably not a replacement for the D700, but who knows. Maybe Nikon will indeed make a body with the same relationship as the D3/D3s to D700 was, as in a smaller version without the built-in motor drive or grip, but I think that Nikon wisely made two distinct bodies (well, three – including the D800E) aimed at different users or even designed to compliment each other as in you buying both (LOL).

      Let’s see how this plays out as Nikon is clearly aiming at the Olympics and the D4/D800 combo really is hard to beat by any Manufacturer due to factors such as a digital pipeline Expeed 3, lost on many as they complain about wanting an equivalent D700s at 12 megapixels.

      Probably not happening, as that is the past. I can see a two pronged strategy by Nikon:
      Now – D4 and D800
      Later – D4X with D800 sensor and D4 build plus features – and a smaller version of the D4 (D???) without the built-in grip.

      Therefore Nikon reversed the order from the D3/D700 to give us two distinct Pro FX camera lines as in D4 first along with smaller bodied higher megapixel body D800 and then later a smaller bodied D4 version (D???) plus bigger bodied version of D800 released as a D4X.

      That’s sort of what I am seeing so far, so wait.

      • Jetfire

        Actually, I doubt there will be a D4x/s. I think they’re just going to end any confusion on which is the Flagship DSLR. The $3,000 for the D800 also makes a third line of FX bodies less likely. The D700 will probably fit that bill. It’s only discontinued in Japan because of their new battery laws. The only problem that seems to be coming up with the D800 is the reported motion blur that Rob Van Petten is reporting.

        • Jabs

          I expect a Nikon D4X with perhaps 4k Video and a body like the current D4 with the same features and built in grip or MD.

          Maybe $9000 US dollars or more to compete with that ‘useless’ or ill-timed $16,000 – 1920-1080 HD new Canon camera that the D4 and D800 plus the new RED body now destroys.

          Two more FX bodies expected by me:
          A ‘cheap’ one to replace the D700 – D?
          An expensive one – D4X to compete with Canon’s new Video body.

        • Andrew

          I do not agree with your analysis. The concept of a flagship only exists in so far as the desire to create the ultimate product within a pricing threshold. The size of the D4 is massive; it is built like a tank, and its performance parameters extreme. It is apparently an expensive product to manufacture and hence its $6,000 price tag.

          Many professional photographers who are operating on a tighter budget will either buy the D800 or the D7000. A smaller D4 priced between the D7000 and the D800 will generate a massive amount of revenue for Nikon. Nikon is not going to ignore this market. Seeing that the D800 at $2,995 is replacing the D3x at $8,000, it is conceivable that Nikon will have a smaller version of the D4 at a price point of around $2,495 or less.

          A smaller D4 priced at $2,495 and using the same sensor as the bigger D4 priced at $6,000 is conceivable. Why? Because a smaller D4 with a frame rate of 6 fps will not compete with the bigger D4 which has a frame rate of 11fps. Photojournalists taking action or sports photos will not settle for anything less than 11fps regardless of the price. Nikon will still not lose, since many professionals will buy multiple bodies of the smaller D4. The demand for such a camera is so hot, that Nikon will never walk away from the massive sales such a camera will garner.

          • Jabs

            My analysis is based upon Market trends and Nikon’s past practices.

            D4X = real replacement for D3X as I see the D800 as a competitor for the Canon 5D MK2 and its replacement (MK3).

            D4 = replacement for D3s

            D4 lite (D?) = true replacement for D700

            Therefore D4X, D4, D800/E, D4 Lite or even D4X, D4, D4 Lite, then D800/E in price.

            The very capabilities of the D4 in Video are not in the D800, so Nikon needs to address that in a D4 sized body with 36meg resolution and that is where I see them competing with the recently announced Canon Video body (forgot name) that does 1920 x 1080 HD video and comes with two versions (one EOS mount and the other PL mount) and starts at $16,000 US dollars.

            The D4X then would be a game changer with higher fps and more exotic video features than the D4 and thus the true top of the line Nikon body when released.

            I thus expect two Pro lines consisting of four bodies.

            One Series at 16 megapixels – big and little bodies
            One Series at 36 megapixels – bid and little bodies

            Many people love the D4 sized bodies as the handling is much better with big Pro lenses and the newer card format is probably going to be needed for 4K Video throughput, hence the D4X might now have two of the newer cards when released. Not everyone likes smaller bodies in the Pro ranks.

            Ultimately I see Nikon’s lineup looking like this:
            D4X, D4, D4 Lite, then D800/E in FX, then D400, D7100, D5200, D3200 in DX.

            Who knows though?

      • AXV

        The thing is nikon tried something different and went to the far edges, superspecialized cameras, one for super fast shooting and one for complete studio control.

        De differences are really the prices, the D3x (D800) is now cheap, the D3 (D4) is expensive as usual, but there is no super cheap FX mid range camera (there never was, D700 was not in the middle it was just a cheap D3 and thats why it was loved, the price).

        I think nikon could have a D400 at the top of the DX line and an entry level FX camera but I don’t think that will happen.
        Maybe a combination of both would be more probable.
        The thing is, it will have to be priced at $2000, and if you are nikon and you know what price it should be, what would you make it? DX or FX?

        • AXV

          I think it comes down to the business perspective, do they want DX prosumers buying FX? And probably even canibalizing the D800?
          I don’t think so unless that meant people buying FX glass.

          I think it will be DX super pro. A 24mpx, 6-8fps, 1080p DX beast in a D300 body, called of course D400.

        • Andrew

          Nikon will introduce a cheaper FX with 16 MP priced below $2,495, and my guess is the price will be $2,195. It will have a frame rate of only 6 fps, but will have the same video performance as the D4.

          The D400 will be a DX body. The D400 will have the same sensor as the D7000, but will come in a bigger body, have a greater buffer size, include the Expeed 3 image sensor, have a higher frame rate, greater video performance, and will be priced at $1,695.

          • WoutK89

            Since the D7000 uses Expeed 2, and the D400 would be using Expeed 3, I dont think you can just put the sensor of the D7000 in the D400 body.

            • Andrew

              You may be right on this one. My thinking is that the D400 will contain a 16 MP sensor with all of the advantages I mentioned above.

          • Andrew

            correction… Expeed 3 image processor!

  • souvik

    I don’t know what to do, can’t make up mind. Should I go with ‘E’ or not? There are lot of “what ifs” on getting the “E”, what if I can get the moire out of the picture?.

    • Viktor

      I think the “E” version is only for people who 100% percent sure they need it. For you – i think that monster sensor will be just fine for all kinds of work. The only thing i doubt is quality on high iso sensivity, because i shoot iso 800 half of work time with d700. Saw only 1 sample of 640 iso, its somewhat noisy, but details are also incredible for that iso setting. My fingers crossed.
      By the way, does anyone know for how much i can sell my d700 with 145.000 shutter count?

      • VF

        145000??
        short answer: no more than half the price of a new one..

    • hexx

      you will be able to fix it in LR4

    • Andrew

      Don’t buy the E version if you are not sure. It will only frustrate you. It is for people who like to shoot raw and then do post processing using specialized software to remove moiré. From what I heard, there are many instances where moiré cannot be removed from the picture. The D800E is for only people who know what they are getting into in the area of moiré. Moiré will ruin many of your pictures. From my research, generating normal to slightly larger prints, the sharpness of the D800 is indistinguishable from the D800E. I also was not sure until I did my research. The D800 is definitely my choice.

  • Myl3s

    Any idea about pixel pitch yet?

    • RumpelHund

      Just do the math: 36mm/7360 = 4.9µm pixel pitch or 23,92 µm2 area.

      As to be expected that’s 1/3 the area of a D700/D3/D3s pixel.

      • Myl3s

        Okay, thanks. But unsure how it’s 1/3 the area, is the um2 area used to calculate this and not the actual pixel pitch? Because nikons have had the folling pitches —

        d4 (16MP)- 7.3
        d3x (24MP) – 5.9
        d3s (12MP) – 8.4

  • Jabs

    Nikon seems to be on a really hot streak lately with first the Nikon 1, then the D4 and now the D800.

    These three all bury their competitors and raise the bar considerably for us photographers and also videographers.

    The images from the D800 are stunning and so clear with lifelike detail and depth. Expeed 3 definitely has brought Nikon forward into an area way above others and the other Manufacturers really have to now catch up. Tonal gradation from the Nikon 1 to the D800 is utterly amazing to me and looking towards a possible D4X and then a D400 one day – lol.

    Progress can often take your breath away and Nikon certainly has in both stills and video. It’s going to be an interesting year of the Olympics it seems.

    Time to get faster computers, bigger storage drives, better tripods and most importantly hone your skills like what people had to do back in the days when Fuji introduced Velvia Pro 50D slide film which also forced many to slow down, compose and shoot mirror locked-up on sturdy tripods.

    Cameras updated and NOW time to update users and photographers/videographers. New Era of digital photography has been ushered in.

    Thanks Nikon and thanks Administrator for all your tireless efforts here – well done!

    Sort of ‘blown away’ by all this stunning Technology!

    • Benedictus XVI

      “Expeed3″ is not a miraculous thing, but an embedded micro computer.
      So the images of D800 come from the Sony sensor, not from the computer…
      Nikon electrooptomechanic is good, it’s enough!
      (like the wonderful poetic texts come from the keyboard (and what is behind!!), not from the so called Mac (basically a serial PC)

      About Olympic Barnum: I did not know that O games saved so lighting energy that D4 was unbearable!

      • Jabs

        Are you serious – Expeed 3 is not a computer but a series of components and sub-assemblies within EACH new Nikon body and since its pipeline is 16bit, is multiple processor, plus has 12 digital channels of readout FROM the sensor which has been DESIGNED by Nikon and not Sony, then this raises the bar considerably and the images of ALL the Expeed 3 cameras show this as FACT.

        Cameras are not mere sensors but sensors plus sub-assemblies and the higher the bit structure of that sub-assembly then the better the tonality AND speed of processing plus Expeed 3 has faster throughput due to the larger amount of DIGITAL channels = newer Technology that only Nikon has.

        Nikon is a Master of camera sub-systems and look at the D3X plus Nikon’s even more awesome and expensive digital microscope bodies for a clue.

        D4 sensor = Nikon designed and built by WHO?
        D800 = don’t know yet.

      • Andrew

        I did not think I would respond to a post this way – but you really do not know what you are talking about.

        Compare a Sony camera and a Nikon camera using the same sensor and you will observe that the results are completely different. The sensor is part of the equation, the other is the image processor (i.e. Expeed 3), and the third is the Optics (i.e. the Lens). I am not an expert, but I know enough to say you are absolutely wrong!

  • MLN

    There ain’t no “noize” at 100ISO :-D

  • http://richardcromptonphotography.com RichM0nster

    Looked like a no brainer choice using the comparisons posted by Nikon To ‘E’ or not to ‘E’ isn’t really a question for me. The crazy colours and moire mean it an ‘E’ free zone for me. Sharpness was pretty close between the two, colour and pattern rendition on the cloth? Pay less, get more.

  • Jeremy

    I shoot a lot of landscape, that’s my primary kind of photography, so I think that the E version would be great for getting the most detail possible. However, I’m curious about how the E version will do will video. I’ve never shot video before, because I’ve never had a camera body that can do it (been rocking the D3 since it came out), but I really want to get into shooting video. So, does anyone have any insight into how the different filter will affect video? I know how it affects stills, and I am not too worried about that, but I’m really ignorant about video in general.

    • Luis

      After seeing those D800 vs D800E comparison shots showing the differences in detail and the differences in moire, I don’t think I want to go with a D800E for video (or still for that matter). I really didn’t see that the D800E provided THAT much more detail, not enough to justify dealing with that horrendous moire as shown in that example.

    • Andrew

      Jeremy, make sure you know what you are getting into before buying the D800E. Make sure you do your research thoroughly. But be certain that if you make the wrong choice, that you don’t come back and criticize Nikon or NikonRumor [NR] for not educating the consumer sufficiently about the wide range of problems encountered with moiré. And ask yourself, if you are frustrated with the “E” version, would you be willing to go through the hassle to sell the camera. Many people make important decisions by “guessing”. Do you think the “E” is worth a $3,300 guess? If so, then go for it!

  • T.I.M

    Any idea if the D800 is fully compatible with the 24mm PC-E f/3.5 ?

    • FX DX

      I saw on Engadget today that D800 is almost an inch taller than D700. There is a good chance that it will be fully compatible will all Nikon PC-E lenses.

      • Luis

        D700 = Approx. 147 x 123 x 77 mm (5.8 x 4.8 x 3.0 in.)
        D800 = Approx. 146 x 123 x 81.5 mm/5.7 x 4.8 x 3.2 in.

        Not sure where Engadget is coming up with the “It’s noticeably taller than the D700 (by roughly half an inch)” statement. According to the Nikon websites the D800 is 0.1″ less wide, the same exact height (123mm), and only 0.2″ deeper than the D700.

        They also say it has “a higher pentaprism” (PP) than the D700. Flipping between the D800/D700 pics it appears that the base of the PP does sit a bit farther from the lens mount but I will guess that the top of the PP is no “taller”.

        I have had no trouble using the 24 or 85 PC-E lenses on my D700, so given the extra clearance on the D800 I doubt there will be any trouble using them on that either.

        • silmasan

          Was just looking for this confirmation. Thanks.

  • Jon D

    Saw on the Nikon site that the MB-D12 grip is $616 US. Ouch! Now it’s closer to the $4000 mark!

    • Anonymous

      Surprisingly it is around $450 in Canada.

      • Luis

        Guess I’ll hop on a boat from the south side of Lake Erie to the north side to get one :-)

    • http://www.seanmolin.com Sean Molin

      I was *just* going to comment about this. Does any have any idea why $616?

      If it COMES WITH the D4 battery, that’s still pushing it.

  • MadMack

    I wonder how large the buffer is??? ok, so it can only take about 5 FPS, but for how many frames before it starts to slow down???

    Any idea?

    • Myl3s

      I think i read 16 somewhere. I think it was the downloaded brochure.

    • WoutK89

      http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/features04.htm

      There is only a table for saving on SD-card with 80MB/s
      14 bit lossless compressed NEF: 14 FX photos or 29 DX.
      So that is about 4-6 seconds buffer.

  • komalkumar

    D800 is to get the Medium format camera market than for the D700 or 5d2 market….those fashion snaps are too good !

  • http://www.spark-creative.co.uk/photography.html Mark Astle

    Sill no high ISO samples. Is it really that bad that they’re trying to avoid showing any? I wasn’t too impressed with the noise in the 640 sample on the Nikon site.

    And if that’s the case, I’d go for a D700. Oh wait, I can’t. They’ve discontinued it. Which leaves me with no Nikon solution to the camera I want – basically, an up to date D700, video would be a bonus.

    Still no D700 replacement. The D800 isn’t it at all.

    • O.

      The samples on the Nikon website are very muddy, FX is simply to small for nice and clean 36 megapixel images. Just compare the D800(E) shots to the Leica S2 with 37 megapixels, but much, much more space on the sensor. The crispness and clearness of the S2 is overwhelmingly stunning. But okay, the S2 is way more expensive. ;)

      • http://www.spark-creative.co.uk/photography.html Mark Astle

        Yep. So Nikon no longer produce a camera I want. A mid range FX camera with half decent high ISO. The D4 would be perfect, apart from the price. Unless they replace the D700 properly soon, I can see a LOT of people moving to Canon. And I don’t really want the hassle of doing that. But if the 5dIII is what it’s rumoured to be, it looks like a perfect D700 replacement. Unlike the D800.

        • Jabs

          I see quite the opposite – more and more people moving back to Nikon from Canon, as Canon is stuck in yesterday’s technology chasing a last generation D3/D700 combo while Nikon has moved on technically.

          Eventually there probably will be a ‘downsized’ D4 like the D700 was to the D3 Series, but Canon has responded to the old D3 Series and so far has nothing to touch either a D4 or a D800.

          Expeed 3 changes the game in digital cameras as the dynamic range and color purity and fidelity plus responsiveness makes Nikon’s new cameras superior by a long shot. Video fidelity also leaves Canon in the dust, especially clean output via HDMI, wireless and wired connectivity and the iPad, iPhone seamless integration in the D4 brings in new capabilities like Medium format cameras.

          When you look at the price structure, the D800 is actually better than the newly announced Canon 1DX body both in stills and video, though it is slower in fps at half the price though a different market for each of them.

          If you thought the D3/D700 combo hurt Canon, then look out for the D4/D800/D800E combo to further cement Nikon’s dominance in performance over them.

          That’s how I see it right NOW!

          • AXV

            I think you ar right. And even if people actually need a “real” D700 replacement, they will sell more D800 the way they are, then if the went the other way just upgrading the D700.

            • Jabs

              I expect the D700 to continue in production for a while at least outside of Japan, until Nikon releases a real replacement probably after the 2012 Olympic dust has settled.

              People seem to forget what the competitor for the D700 currently is – the Canon 5DMK2 and its upcoming replacement.

              The D800 is a replacement for its current competitor right NOW and its unreleased upcoming competitor (MK3?).

      • Jabs

        I examined some of the samples at Nikon’s Japan Web site and some are suffering from WRONG F-stop usage, as the foreground is sharp and the background is NOT sharp, as in out of focus – on the green tree one – plus too slow a shutter speed was used to try and stop movement of tree leaves plus there probably was wind and thus ‘subject’ movement was magnified.

        There was also a need for a sturdier tripod, a polarizer to curb reflections or even light scatter, but this D800 is way better than Lieca’s S2 by a mile.

        Dynamic range and color fidelity are way above it too.

        The bride shots were sharp and contrasty as the photographer used proper or a better technique.

        Landscape photography needs filters and TRIPODS plus lower F-stops for sharp results from foreground to background.

        Operator error and not the camera, it seems.

        Camera is a game changer that will require photographers to relearn their craft like when slide shooters often outshoot negative film shooters with their quick shot and sloppy shooting techniques.

        36mp requires careful planning and great shooting techniques just like low ISO slide shooting.

        Tripod and mirror lockup plus lower F-stops perhaps!

        • Photo Man

          I think it wasn’t the photographer’s intention to get sharpness from background to foreground. The image was to project the colour and the vibrant feeling of the trunk. If he uses a higher f stop like f16 (i think thats what u meant as if a lower f stop is used, there would be even less background in focus) it will fall outside of the len’s ultimate sharpness sweetspot and the overall image will be less sharp. Also it is f stop not F stop!

          These guys are pro and to imply them using the wrong f stop is like implying why mike tyson doesn’t punch in a certain way in his match.

          Of course these guys know the physical contraints they have to work with. And if Nikon accepts these photos it means the photos have achieved their all intented purpose in the eye of Nikon who pays these photographers.

          Art is a very subjective thing at the end.

          • Jabs

            I understand your comments but as a long time shooter I see their obvious mistake. The foreground is sharp and the background is MOVING as in camera shake = big difference.

            Wrong plane of focus = either wrong lens choice or wrong F-stop/shutter speed combo.

            I examined the images under Linux on my computer after downloading it and viewing it magnified, it showed the faults = I see what they did wrong.

            If you get blur in the background as in subject displacement, then that is not an artistic merit, but a technical FLAW.

            Blur without subject displacement = artistic merit as the image drops off into the background seamlessly.

            As I say – long time Nikon shooter.

      • mike

        Yeah. The S2 is nice. But a bit out of most people’s price range.

        At 36mp, I’d prefer a larger sensor. But we’ll see how it plays out.

        • Jabs

          @mike

          The problem to me is that the Leica S2 has resolution but little dynamic range for such a large sensor.

    • broxibear

      Hi Mark,
      I think Dale have still got some D700 stock http://www.dalephotographic.co.uk/mall/productpage.cfm/DalePhotographicOnline/_D700%20Body/269820
      I’m sure you could negotiate a lower price with them too.
      Dixons and Amazon also have stock left.

      • http://www.spark-creative.co.uk/photography.html Mark Astle

        I don’t really want one though, or I’d already have bought one. My point is, people like me have been holding out for the D700 replacement, because it’s been around for so long, and after all this waiting, Nikon discontinue it and don’t actually replace it with anything at all. I can only hope there’s a D700s in the pipeline. I’d buy that tomorrow. And so would loads of others I think.

        • broxibear

          Hi Mark,
          Yeah, I think a lot of people just wanted the D3s sensor in the D700 body but hey, there you go ?. It’ll be interesting to see how many D700 users actually move to the D800 and why.
          There’s a lot of D3x stock in the UK at £4890…what’s going to happen to all that with the D800 release ?
          There’s going to be a few unhappy D3x users out there who’ve just seen the used value of their cameras plummet.
          I’m not in the market for a D800 (maybe a D4 next year, but my D3 has everything I need at the moment) but the one thing I don’t get is the two card slots. If you’ve got two slots why are they different formats?…This makes no sense to me, either have two sd, two cf or two xqwfdyp or whatever the hell they’re called lol.

          • Jabs

            The two different slots argument has been played to death here.

            1 slot to the past
            1 slot to the future

            2 slots to the future and you would be STUCK = suicide by Nikon!

            What is so hard to understand about that?

            Geez!

            The D4 saves MORE Raw and jpeg files to the newer format = nothing to talk about any more.

            New card has NO exposed contacts and nothing to bend any more = WIN!

            New card has a better interface with higher REAL throughput in a multi-channel digital world = WIN and WIN.

            New card is sturdier too = WIN, win and WIN!

            The future is speed with Expeed 3 = no contest.

            • Give it a rest…

              Seriously.

          • WoutK89

            SD, so people from lower end can join without having to spend 100’s on their memory to use the camera. And CF to please the existing pro users. Remember the D700 had only 1 slot, so did the D300. So the people upgrading are used to having just 1 slot anyway. And nowadays you can buy cards as big in memory as a small harddisk a few years back, so shortage of memory is not the main reason to have two slots I guess.

            • Richard

              I think that is going to be a characteristic of the Prosumer camera whereas the Pro camera will have the CF and XQD (perhaps in time two XQD slots).

            • WoutK89

              I think the reason why we dont see XQD in the D800, is because when the D800 was designed and supposed to be released, the XQD was not yet developed (enough) to rely on putting it in. The D800 was the one camera that didnt get released in 2011 because of the natural disasters.

            • Richard

              WoutK89,

              EXIF data for one of the sample images showed an early July 2011 date so it does seem plausible that an earlier release date had been planned before the disasters.

    • http://www.modifiedphotographics.com Jason

      Are you serious? The ISO 640 shots I’ve seen (Nikon samples and others posted elsewhere) have all looked as good if not better than my “old” D300 at ISO 200.

      Keep in mind that the “noise” that you would see at 100% (when pixel peeping) will be a fraction of the size of the same level of noise from a 12mp body since their are 3x as many pixels to begin with. This means, when printed, the “noise pixels” would be smaller and far less evident than the same level of noise from a lower megapixel image printed at the same size. Essentially, “noise” becomes a moot point when your image resolution is so large that the individual pixels cannot even be seen in even a fairly large print viewed at a very close distance. The only time it would be evident is if the image was printed so large that each pixel is clearly visible, in which case you SHOULD be viewing the print from a distance great enough that you wouldn’t be able to make them out anyway. (Even then, the 36mp print would still likely be sharper and likely look far better than a 12mp print with little or no noise at all.)

      • http://www.seanmolin.com Sean Molin

        You win the prize.

        When you have 3x the detail, noise will also get the same treatment.

  • BOZO

    what a big let down for me. I’m disappointed to wait almost one year for this model to be release and all we get is a black model for a whopping $3300. I was hoping to have a yellow model or a green model for that price range.

    Now i’m going to buy the funny camera KF 818.

    • http://www.modifiedphotographics.com Jason

      Naw, i’m waiting for the Ferrari red, badged special edition model like the Hasselblad H4D special edition model. *snicker*

    • Jabs

      LOL – you can always paint the darn thing.

      Remember cheap spray paint at Discount Dollar Store – awesome.

      • scurvy hesh

        Thats funny! But if you are going to rattle can a camera. Have the decency to buy Molotow, the world best spray paint. Dollar store cans are usually cheap synthetic enamels that take forever to cure and never have the luster of the finer German paints. http://artprimo.com/catalog/spray-paint-belton-molotow-premium-c-26_35.html This stuff has really high quality pigments and I have restored a few bikes with it. The results were a factory smooth finish. If you were so inclined, you could do it. I recommend Shock Blue. and Signal yellow. Classic Nikon color Scheme

        • Jabs

          LOL – I was teasing, as anyone ‘dumb enough’ to paint a D800 is indeed clueless or idiotic – maybe technically brilliant if they can do it properly, BUT why?

          I thought that the original poster was joking or being sarcastic, so I chimed in.

          Better than painting it with a paint brush and latex paint – lol.

          Spray paint it with the lens off too – ouch!

        • BOZO

          Painting the camera is not a professional replay someone can say to answer a potential buyer. Clearing that fact out, someone has to ask the question what if I want to paint the camera inside out?
          The warranty of the camera will be void and the camera will be rendered useless if the imaging sensor is covered with paint in that process.

          why go through all this hussle when the funny camera KF 818 is cheaper than the can of paint that i’m going to buy to paint my D800. Moreover, the funny camera KF 818 goes very well with my styling if you haven’t googled my picture yet.

  • PeterO

    Brilliant marketing strategy on Nikon’s part. For the longest time the D800 was rumored to cost around $4K. Now it’s announced at $3K and everyone thinks it’s a bargain (which I think it is for what you get). I’m convinced this was all orchestrated by Nikon.

    • http://www.modifiedphotographics.com Jason

      I bet they set the “rumored” price point high to feel out the market. When the price range didn’t get as much fanfare as they would have liked, they decided to price it lower. Besides, first rule of business, promise less and deliver more. (In this case, rumored price higher, actual price lower.) Clients or customers will be far happier that way.

    • WoutK89

      The rumor as far as I heard on (comments at) NikonRumors was $3000 for D800 and $4000 for the D800E, but as you see, only the E turns out to be cheaper.

      • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin
        • WoutK89

          That was right before the release, I mean way before when only the yen price was known. And yes I did miss that post, because when I woke up, the D800 was already released ;) Now it is time for you to sit back and relax, and keep an eye out for more smoke, hehe

          • WoutK89

            Skip released, and make it announced, I didnt sleep that long :D

    • The Manatee

      Not really. It’s always been reported that the D800 would be around 300,000 yen. People did the conversion and assumed the camera to retail for $4,000. It doesn’t work that way. Canon and Nikon price their cameras more expensively domestically so it was a bad conclusion to draw that their would be a simple conversion of yen to dollars to arrive at the price.

  • nikonista

    This is awesome camera!!

  • Peter

    I should know better than to read the comments on photography enthusiast websites. You can never please us photographers. :)

    That said, I am very much looking forward to seeing some real-world images from this camera. I currently shoot a D3 and 5D (yeah, I know, but I almost switched fully to Canon a few years back, hence the 5D). As a professional wedding photographer, I like what I see here. Yes, I’d prefer a higher frame rate (7 fps is ideal for me for weddings; 9 is overkill, 5 starts to feel sluggish). I am curious about what the high ISO pictures look like, but as long as it’s close to D3 levels, I will be happy. Only in the direst of circumstances have I needed to go above 5000 ISO.

    However, the D800 will be great for me in a number of situations. I print albums that, if in landscape format, can have doubletrucks at 12″x36″ (or even above, but that’s as high as I generally go). They look okay with 12MP files, but will just sing at 36MP. The 1.5x DX crop at 15+MP will help me tremendously in situations where I need that extra reach from the back of the church with an 70-200mm (provided I can maintain reasonable sharpness, as these pixel-packed cameras are much more sensitive to motion.) I already use the D3’s DX mode for things of this nature (although I realize I can do it just as well in post.) I like to print at sizes 20″x30″ or above, so, for that type of imagery, 36MP is a sweet tool to have at my disposal.

    I’ve been eyeing the D4 but, for my purposes, I think the D800 is the better pairing with the D3. I personally don’t think the D4 is different enough from the D3s to justify buying it. If I wanted to go that route, I’d try to find somebody unloading a used D3s (if there is such a person). The D800, on the other hand, is a nice compliment for those situations where you want the extra pixels and, in a wedding where you produce albums that can have imagery that’s printed at the sizes mentioned above, and when that extra cropability is useful, (which is most of my weddings), it’s a tool I want in my bag. And at an obscenely low price point.

    I withhold judgment until I see some more real-world conditions with less-than-ideal uncontrollable lighting conditions (like inside a church where flash photography is restricted), but Nikon has surpassed my expectations with what I see here so far.

    • http://www.seanmolin.com Sean Molin

      And I thought I was the only wedding photographer who was excited for this. Haha.

      The D700 will still come in handy, though.

    • scurvy hesh

      What do you need to shoot in a wedding that requires more than 5fps?

      • Peter

        I don’t think you NEED more than 5 fps. (After all, I’ve managed fine with my 5D and my best action shot was actually on that 3 fps slowpoke.) But 7 fps is the sweet spot for me between being a bit sluggish and being just a bit too fast.

        As for when you need it? Well, if you do a lot of dynamic portraits with a lot of motion going on, it is helpful to have faster frame rates. I actually will sometimes pump my D3 up to the full 9fps (yes, I know it can go to 11fps technically) when I’m doing something of this nature. It also helps at receptions when there generally is a lot of action going on, but the bottleneck at that point is usually flash recycle times and not fps (depending on how you shoot. With off-camera direct, you’re fine, but if you’re bouncing, your strobe can be a choke point.) Although with the D3, I’ve been able to do a lot more ambient reception shooting, so I will, too, sometimes pump this up to 9 fps, like during a hora when people are going up in chairs, and there is enough light to make a reasonable fast exposure with only ambient.

        That said, when I am limited to slower frame rates, my shooting technique changes, so I try to time peak action differently and take fewer chances as to when I start my sequence.

        Give a photographer more possibilities, and they will find a way to explore them. It’s nice to be able to shoot at a high frame rate when you need/want to. However, like I said, I’ll deal fine with 4 fps. Ideal would have been around 7 for me, but with that size of file, I wouldn’t expect miracles.

  • http://ronscubadiver.wordpress.com Ron Scubadiver

    After double disasters, Nikon needs for their stock to go up. Companies like Canon can cover a bad year in cameras with other businesses, but Nikon can not. The stepper business has been a drag lately. Of course, Sony is losing money overall and Olympus is really a mess.

    • PeterO
    • Jabs

      The opposite is true.

      Nikon is smaller and more flexible, so it can react quicker than Canon.

      Canon also lost a lot more than Nikon in the recent disasters.

      Nikon has the Nikon 1 System which is made in China and it has been selling really well, so that offset some losses while Canon lost in printers and cameras due to the earthquake/tsunami and flooding.

      Nikon got out five bodies since these disasters and Canon – how many?
      J1
      V1
      D4
      D800
      D800E

      Sony is doing even worse!

      • WoutK89

        I wouldnt count the D800 and D800E different enough to justify them as two cameras.

        • Jabs

          Yeah, maybe stretching it – LOL

          OK – three cameras – awesome.

          Three cameras with one having two derivatives = better!

          • WoutK89

            You are anyway correct in that they announced more cameras than Canon. The D1x was the only one as far as I remember. And worst of all for them, Nikon will have two cameras released when the D1x sees the light of day.

            • Jabs

              Yea – the key detail is – released camera bodies.

              Not vapoware, as in promises undelivered.

              People were complaining a few months here about Nikon losing the plot and Sony and Canon getting it but look now – they are silent – LOL.

              Who’s technology is superior now?

    • Richard

      Nikon need to update their steppers. Canon have at least two different steppers which can image a sensor larger than FX in a single pass…i.e. Canon does not need to “stitch” their FX sensors. It will be interesting to see if the D4 and D800 sensors have been stitched. If it has not been there will be questions about just who produced them and on what equipment.

      • Jabs

        @Richard

        Since Nikon does not produce their own Sensors but designs them and then out-sources their production to others with the required Fab, then this would not have any value to them.

        All that one or single pass Foundry Process then makes little difference if your sensors are ‘crap’ or not as good – lol.

        Advantage – none, then in performance of camera sensor.
        Production cost = the main advantage! (maybe)

        Price of Canon 1DX does not reflect that, as it is more expensive than both the D4 and the D800/800E.

        LOL.

        Process -vs- actual performance!

        One step versus multiple steps = depends on how things are made and the SIZE of the substrate wafer that counts plus the yields.

        Overhyped Canon benefit by uninformed people!

        • Richard

          @Jabs,

          You really have missed the point entirely. Being able to image a sensor has a lot to do with cost. It takes three separate masks to produce the stitched sensors Nikon have been using in the past. It also takes three separate passes (time on the machine) which reduces the production capacity compared to a stepper which can image a sensor in a single pass.

          While it is true that the accuracy of the multiple mask stitching process has been enormously improved, which has reduced the losses due to misalignment, there are still losses which are not present when the the sensor can be imaged in a single pass.

          The size of the wafer used does not really matter when it comes to the matter of time on the machine so long as wafers of a similar size are being compared. Just to make you aware, Canon’s steppers are 300mm capable. There are benefits to using 300mm wafers in that there is a smaller percentage of unusable space, but that is neither here nor there when discussing single pass imaging of the sensor.

          So it is quite simple after all. Lower costs mean that a product can be priced accordingly and still maintain desirable profit margins. Profits matter to Nikon as well as any other company.

          Whether Nikon’s new FX sensors have been stitched or not may tell us a little bit about where they are being produced and, perhaps, by whom.

          Take a look at the description of the low pass filter in the D800E here:

          http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/nikon-d800/nikon-d800A.HTM

          It may or may not be the one in the patent previously posted on NR. I don’t know.

          • Jabs

            You missed the point as we don’t know HOW the current sensors of the D4 and D800 are made or fabricated and thus we only know the results so far.

            Nikon has a lower price than Canon and thus Canon has shown no advantage from that PLUS the performance of Nikon is so far better with more tests to come.

            A sensor is a very small part of the camera and thus NOT an issue as to how it is made as Canonites trump that as an advantage while NOT knowing what or how CAMERA sensors are made plus what they are. This is NOT cpu’s but light gathering sensors with multiple layers, so that reminds me of a bogus or questionable benefit – Engineer here!

            The amount of products per wafer that you get in a cpu is dependent upon the SIZE of the varying die per process node (32, 45, 65) and the wafer size (200mm, 300mm) used.

            Camera sensors are FIXED in size unlike computer cpu’s, so the information is bogus or questionable.

            The generation of camera sensors has NOTHING to do with a shrinking die size, as the products has fixed dimensions as in FX, DX or CX, so how to fabricate it and the amount of passes needed to do that is a Process requirement, limitation or advantage – that’s all.

            Internet ‘OLD wives’ tale – basically!

            • Richard

              God Jabs,

              Learn to read! When someone gets to tear into these we may learn something.

              You simply can not read and digest what is written so quit trying. You take off on irrelevant tangents that have nothing to do with the post and then try to use them as a ‘straw man’. It’s pitiful. Grow up!

            • Jabs

              @Richard

              Bottom line – Nikon DOES NOT make its own sensors, so there is NO point.

              That is what is lost on you while you babble about what you obviously do not know.

              How you make it and the techniques used are irrelevant often = facts.

              Optical sensors are NOT cpu’s and thus nothing to relate to. I tried to explain to you why you lost the plot but you probably cannot comprehend, so now you try and educate me – lol.

              One pass or multiple passes are used in CPU production also and thus it is nonsense being promoted as an asset.

              I believe that it was Thom Hogan and/or others who came here talking all that crap and now you regurgitate that past baloney – sorry NOT uneducated here, so please realize it is nonsense as Nikon DOES not make its own camera sensors as far as I know but designs them and then out-sources them to other Fabs – so BOGUS story at best.

              Sony and others fabricate the sensors for Nikon – the DESIGN House, so you would have to tell me about WHAT the fabricator of the sensors for Nikon does versus Canon!

              Simple as that and yes, I read and comprehend exceptionally well (Thank God).

              How are you going to tell me that Canon has an advantage over Nikon in that aspect when Nikon did not manufacture the thing in the first place? Does that make any sense whatsoever?

              Tell me that Canon’s Fab House has an advantage over another Fab House that Nikon uses and then prove that yourself instead of repeating idiocy.

              BTW – I ferret out technical baloney for a living!

            • Jabber

              Jabs said “BTW – I ferret out technical baloney for a living!”

              He finally admitted it.

            • Richard

              @Jabs,

              “There you go again”.

              You are flat out wrong on the economics involved.

              Nikon manufactures steppers which have been used by Sony to produce sensors, including FX sensors, for themselves and Nikon. At this time it is not known where or by whom the sensors for the D4 and D800 were actually produced.

              I pity your employer.

      • Jabs

        @Richard

        Let me explain this to you one more time.

        We do NOT know what steppers or the Manufacturer(s) that are used in the PRODUCTION of any of the sensors used in Nikon bodies and thus people guessing about that and then making foolish inferences are not ones I care to deal with.

        Inferences are NOT facts and whether you have some alleged advantage or disadvantage due to one pass, two pass or even triple pass is NOT a valid argument, as you do NOT know the technical merits or demerits of that Process as used by each Individual Fab, as most of the time these are Trade SECRETS or even inside information.

        Semi-conductor Fabrication is NOT the same as CPU Fabrication and yes, I am self-employed with my own Company and Engineering is my background, so baloney is easy to ferret for me, as I understand what is actually being discussed and can tell when the person is clueless or jiving me.

        Engineers and Accountants or Marketers are very different fields with different perspectives.

        Bottom line to me:
        Canon makes lots of cameras in huge quantities and some are very good while others are compromised to me. The cost alleged as advantages are mere guesses by ‘Internet guru wannabes’ or talking heads and devoid of much reality, as I am a Businessman and have been involved in Production, Expos, Trade Shows and Product development, so am familiar with loss leaders plus pricing structures.

        When I don’t know the facts, I have nothing to go on and you have NOT presented any tangible data other than your own flawed opinion and thus not biting, as too experienced to listen to idle talk. Present some real facts to me and not jive me with terms or concepts that you do not understand yourself!

        • Richard

          @Jabs,

          You are just a troll. Go away.

          • Jabs

            If busting your myths makes me a troll – then so be it, as I don’t care.

            At least smarter than you and comprehend what you fail to realize is immaterial, as in unknown and misunderstood by YOU.

            Many posters come here armed with ‘Web-TALK’ which would not stand up to any type of scrutiny in the REAL world and then you call me a troll – LOL!

            That’s rich Richard and pun/sarcasm intended too!

            Sell ‘em baloney and myths in an authoritative tone/manner and hope that they can’t figure it out and NOW you are an Internet GURU-wannabe!

            A ‘Canonista’ right???

            You can fool some of the people SOME of the time, but NOT all the people all the time = get real.

            Professional Technical person here and not faker!

            Bye.

  • kevin

    I guess the D800 photos wont look as good as d700 at high iso :(

    • FM2Fan

      then keep your D700 and check out the new gear – make your joice depending on the situation to use a cam …

    • Anonymous

      You are wrong on that account. Check Thom Hogan’s website and he explains it very well why the noise level of D800 compared to D700 for the same print size is lower.

      • http://www.seanmolin.com Sean Molin

        You mean he explains it very well why [probably] the noise level of the D800 compared to D700 for the same print size is lower. ;-)

        I’m sure it will be pretty close, if not better… but we won’t really be sure till we see shipping samples.

  • AM

    Any rumors on future announcements? I was left high and dry waiting on new lenses.

  • T.I.M

    Incredible, items for the D800e already for sale on Ebay !

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/200711034941?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

    What a world ! (right Peter ?)
    :o

    • broxibear

      “is your Nikon D800e moiré and resolution good or bad ?” lol… give the guy (or girl) credit, dpreview will probably have to start a new forum section called “D800E Moire”… If I wasn’t so depressed after the Patriot’s loss on Sunday I’d laugh.

      • T.I.M

        @broxibear
        I think it may be an helpfull tool for the D800e, I may give it a try.
        :o

        Luck you to be able to watch football, Sunday I had to watch my 3 kids, clean the house, cook…
        Just like an other ordinary day of my life.

        Thanks God I still have some time to play with my toys.
        :o

      • MuttonPuncher

        Broxi, I was a Patriots fan too until seeing Rush Limbaugh in the Pats owners box. Then I immediately switched my alliances to the Giants.

  • Luis

    Certainly not enjoying your noise.

  • Anonymous

    Admin…

    Congratulations on really pinning this one down. I did get the price right though, thanks to the Thai site with the 88,888 or something like that Thai Baht pricing that was leaked on the net before actual release.

    I am now thinking of starting a website called pricerumors… nah just kidding :)

  • http://ignaciogenzon.com Ignacio Genzon

    My name is Ignacio Genzon, and I was in charge of shooting the stills the boy took for this movie, and I can tell you that this camera will hold its own damn well. I dont know what settings were used in the actual filming, but I played with the 1080/24 setting, and it was gorgeous, no rolling shutter.

    If there are any other questions
    ignaciogenzon@ymail.com – – – (yes, ymail)
    ignaciogenzon.com

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

      thanks for stopping by :)

  • F

    Admin:

    Thanks again for bringing us so much info on the D800 well-before anyone else. NR is a great site.

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

      thank you all for reading :)

  • bayoushooter

    the question is, for a wedding photographer about to be out of school rolling with a D80 (not 800…..80) , ……should I get a used d3s or the 800? They are about the same price, d3s could actually be a good bit cheaper (again used) if i am considering buying the battery grip for the D800 (which I am). I keep going back and forth with it, would love the video of the 800 but not necessary, just worried about shooting receptions and high ISO performance……… what do you think?

    • Anonymous

      My suggestion to you is to get the D800. For the same size prints, it will go head to head with D700 and maybe a stop or so behind with D3S. If you are just breaking into the market, saving every dollar counts, so make that a priority. However, for the sake of advertising to your future clientele, the buzz words like”36 MP”, “latest camera from Nikon” etc. can have some positive effect. After seeing those wedding photos posted as sample for D800, http://cliffmautner.typepad.com/ , I am very impressed. The tonal range in the photos of the South East Asian bride is stunning.

      • bayoushooter

        very well put, especially the “buzz Words” idea. A whole different way to look at it.
        Saving Money is indeed the key, but like I said the D800 after the grip will be $3,616, and I think I could find a D3s USED for the same cost………..

        But if down-sampling the D800 images to 12 mp reduces noise, or improves ISO performace, to the point that is noticeably better than the D700, then maybe the d800 is more versitle then I think………..

        • http://www.seanmolin.com Sean Molin

          That’s a tricky situation, but at this point I really believe that while the D3s will absolutely hands-down win the ISO battle with little effort… the rest of the D800 package more than makes up for it. The massively improved meter and AF and the face-detection are going to kill.

          The D800 is also a perfect upgrade path for a DX (D80) user. If you have any DX lenses they will still be 16mpx.

  • Landscape Photo

    To E or not to E? That is the question ;)

    • FX DX

      If you don’t know the benefit of E version, I think it is very clear that you should go with D800 and not D800E. If they would be the same price, I think it would make it harder, but the fact that D800 is $300 cheaper makes it an easy decision for us that don’t know the difference .

      • Landscape Photo

        I for sure know the benefit and disadvantages of the E version. But it’s a tough call !

        One reason is that non-AA images are a little sharp, yet less sharpen-friendly than standard. In PP, it may be more beneficial to start with a clear image than with unnatural texture & jaggy lines. Let me not even mention moire from cityscapes.

        I think with a weak AA filter like in D800, fine detail is not lost, but recoverably softened. You can always apply sharpening a little later, but not that easily correct a problematic image. OTOH, sharpening will also amplify noise compared to an initally sharp image from E version.

        Landscape Photographers -> D800E, others -> D800. No, it’s not as simple.

        • Landscape Photo

          I’ll probably go E…

          Though scared of aliasing artifact & moire, this sample image convinced me it will unlikely be a real problem: http://chsvimg.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/img/sample02/img_02_l.jpg

          There isn’t any apparent unnatural texture, even in the pine needles of any direction, nor any moire in the roof patterns.

    • http://www.seanmolin.com Sean Molin

      If you need to ask, then “not to E”. ;-)

    • Jabs

      @Landscape Photo AKA Shakespeare

      That is one funny quote turned around – lol

      To E or not to E, that is the question – whether it is a noble choice …

      Let me stop, as you had me laughing.

  • broxibear

    Hi Peter/admin (had any sleep yet lol?),
    Can you, or someone out there, clarify something…
    The Nikon website http://www.nikon.com/news/2012/0207_dslr_01.htm says “In-camera disabling of the aliasing and moiré pattern reduction operation performed by the optical low-pass filter built into the D800E”
    Does this mean with the D800E you can turn on/off the aa filter through the camera menu system or is it permanently off in the D800E version ?

    • sand

      I am actually surprised that every english speaker is getting this thing wrong (I am not an native speaker). Nikon D800E will have in camera moire reduction and if you want you can turn it off. That has nothing to do with physical AA filter as such. You can transfer the file and use other software tools to remove moire. I think I am right in reading this thing.

      • broxibear

        Hi sand,
        It’s got nothing to do with English and whether it’s your first language, it’s just being reported differently across the web and it’s far from clear on the Nikon website itself.
        If it is a simple on/off option in the menu then why bother with a different model ?

        • sand

          Because..D800E does not have AA filter..Now how do you handle the moire..You do in camera processing..(software)…This software option is what you can able and disable..SO it is a different model physically (no AA filter). I hope I expressed clearly..

          • paf

            that’s how I imagined it – but I have to say, they couldn’t have made this harder to decipher.

      • Luis

        From Nikon: “The D800E incorporates an optical filter with all the anti-aliasing properties removed in order to facilitate the sharpest images possible.” & “Aside from the optical filter, all functions and features are the same as on the D800.”

        The filter itself in the D800E has no anti-aliasing properties, so moire will be more evident in the image. Just look at the D800-D800E comparison shots. The fabric has a ton of moire in it, and it’s not because they simply turned off some anti-moire software in the camera.

        http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/img/features01/img_44.jpg

      • jorg

        thanks! this wording midlead me too.

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

      they may have a built in software for moire removal in the jpg files, but there is no way they can turn on/off the AA filter

      • sand

        exactly..

        • Luis

          I still think there is no anti-moire software built-in to the D800E. If it does, then it would also be in the D800 since “Aside from the optical filter, all functions and features are the same as on the D800.” They would have mentioned such a feature.

          The D800E is very simply just a D800 with a different filter that does not do any anti-aliasing/low pass filtering, etc.

      • Richard

        Admin,

        Take a look here:

        http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/nikon-d800/nikon-d800A.HTM

        If I am reading this correctly, and they have a color diagram, the D800E does indeed have a low pass filter, but it is a different one than the D800 has.

        There was a (100% ?) crop of an image with trees comparing the D800 and the D800E which showed the E definitely pulling out more detail. (Yes, it is subtle.) What is interesting, to me at least, is that the limbs and trunks, although not perfect straight lines, showed no particular evidence of problems that I could see. Look for yourself and you be the judge.

      • Landscape Photo

        Below is something interesting from imaging-resuorce.com D800 page:

        “We understand that the Nikon D800E will still attempt to detect and remove moiré in firmware, and that this will happen before raw processing, meaning that even raw files will potentially have already had moiré removed in software. Should moiré make it past this filter, however, Nikon will also be providing a color moiré correction tool in its Capture NX2 imaging suite.”

    • Brock Kentwell

      This tripped me up too. There’s a good chance it’s poorly written (especially for native English speakers). It almost makes it sound like the “in camera disabling” is something that can be toggled on and off.

    • Anonymous Maximus

      They repeat the phrase “optical low-pass filter” twice in the sentence. So it contributes there is actually an optical AA filter even on the D800E. But can it be a weaker one?

      Were it be just an additional electronic (hardware + software), they would already clearly mentioned somewhere imo. And on this video after 4:00 mark, he explains the D800E, and the narrator adds NX2 can mitigate moire if exists. Why bother with PP solution if it were a click away in the menu? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or9FI4TJ_8g&amp;

      Can it simply be the key difference between two models: Not (AA filter vs coated glass) but (AA filter vs weaker AA filter)

      • Luis

        No. Nikon says: “The D800E incorporates an optical filter with all the anti-aliasing properties removed in order to facilitate the sharpest images possible.”

        all the anti-aliasing properties removed – not a weaker AA version.

        • Anonymous Maximus

          Well, this should be the final answer to this debate: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/nikon-d800/zd800e_lpf1000.jpg

          Yes, there indeed is two low pass filters, but not contributing to any AA effect, as seen on the diagram. Just one point left; why have a low pass filter in the first place and the reverse it later? Why not just plain glass instead?

    • Jabs
  • Will

    Where is the “surprise” some were talking on other websites? Admin wins again!

    • Jabs

      LOL – maybe the ‘surprise’ was the amount of hits that they were trying to siphon off this web site.

      Hmmmm!

  • ad1452

    Looks great, I just wish it had a APS-C sensor…

    • Luis

      It does have one. It’s the 15MP DX crop portion of the FX sensor :-)

      • http://www.seanmolin.com Sean Molin

        +1,000

  • jorg

    jesus, what a cool camera. it will be perfect alongside my D700. thanks, peter, the last months were a blast. this place is good tv and good fun. thanks to all ye jerks too!
    btw: how does amazon handle the preorder, do they hand out numbers?

  • Banksie

    According to photo.net review, the camera is made in Thailand. Other sites have said the same. But there’s mention elsewhere that most of the parts are made in Thailand and the final assembly is Japan. Here on Nikon Rumors it says it’s made in Japan.

    As whether to E or not to E, I would go E. Apparently it’s not a simple thing as just removing the AA filter. The filter stack in front of the sensor is different on both cameras. The M9 never really presents issues and neither have the MF cameras I’ve rented. Just be aware of possible color aberrations and moire, and adjust focus/distance accordingly. And you can fix most moire issues in post.

    Lens resolution is the biggest obstacle, imho. Some of the Zeiss primes should help and you can always get Leica R lenses mounted for Nikon. And I’m assuming some higher optical quality Nikon lenses might be on the horizon soon. The current Nikkor AF-S 1.4 primes should probably be okay.

    The D800E combined with a D3s or the new D4 will be the perfect combo. I’m holding onto my D3s and will pre-order the D800E.

    And the poor D3x will be a dinosaur now. Watch the prices drop on them.

    • souvik

      @Banksie

      Adoroma reps told me the cameras are shipping directly from Japan, so I assume they are made in Japan? It doesn’t makes sense to assemble in Japan , because that would drive up the cost. On the other hand, parts are usually shipped to and assembled in in Thailand or other developing countries, because of low labor cost.

  • http://kolcovs.livejournal.com/ Kolcovs

    D800 can display the histogram in LV? There is about this information?

  • Anonymous

    You are really retarded to make noise like that.

    • Niktarded

      My name is niktarded so thank you.

  • Sem

    So one question, will be also possible to control de camera by wireless with a computer ipad or any other tablet?

    • Niktarded

      No. This is not possible unless you upgrade to d4. Thanks Nikon. For nothing

      • http://www.seanmolin.com Sean Molin

        For nothing?

        I’d at least thank them for giving us D4 support circuitry (AF, metering, face detection) in a small, pro body with the highest-resolution 35mm camera sensor in existence.

        Oh, and since it has an SD slot, you could use that for the EyeFi card. I’m sure someone will get that to work.

  • John

    B&H doesn’t even offer the D3x, D3s or D700 body on their website now. Looks like no D300s either. They do show a D700 with kit lens.

  • alvix

    i ve just read how the OLPF works in the D800E ..mmhh…not like it so much ..and that explains something…

  • http://friedfishstick.com Flosse_r

    uhm, i found this file online .. D800 ISO 6400…. i am not sure if it is real BUT, if it is even close to that @36mpixels.. it will look pretty damn nice. Considering that some quality is lost at heavy jpg downsampling.. it should be ok
    http://d1ljua7nc4hnur.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/first-leaked-image-from-D800.jpg

    • Niktarded

      That’s ISO 640. I know it looks like 6400 but it’s 640

  • CAT

    Wow! Better than expected. Might be as much of a game changer as the D700 was albeit on a completely different level!

    • niktarded

      Are you guys paid spammers or something? That is ISO 640 NOT ISO 6400.

  • El_Pickerel

    Allentown and Hamilton, NJ? Aaaaaaaagh someone was testing the D800 right in my backyard!

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