DxOMark results are always controversial, but here we go - the first Nikon 1 tests are out.
I could not do a comparison with the latest mirrorless cameras because they do not have test data yet. Here are 3 quick Nikon 1 cameras comparisons:
Nikon 1 J1 vs. Nikon 1 V1 vs. Nikon P7000:
Nikon 1 V1 vs. Olympus PEN EP3 vs, Sony NEX-C3:
Nikon 1 J1 vs. Panasonic GF2 vs. Fuji X100:
You can do your own comparisons for the Nikon 1 lenses.
Related posts:
- New test results from DxOMark: Fuji X100 vs. Nikon D7000, Samyang 85mm f/1.4 lens and more
- Nikon D5100 test data released by DxOMark
- Weekly Nikon related news/links #97 (incl. new DxOMark F-mount Zeiss lens test data)
- DxOMark tests the Nikon D7000
- DxOMark also speculates on the upcoming Nikon D5100 camera
115 Comments
That was fast.
Typical performance from a smaller sensor too.
It does well for its size. Not on my wish list though. I think m43 is a better choice.
Yes we can use really expensive lens on M4/3 with very fool manual focus system on M4/3, it’s better choice.
My “reference” models (Panasonic G3, Canon S95, Niikon J1) all fared “as expected”.
What surprised me the most was how crappy the E-P3 sensor is, and it seems no one is complaining.
That was very fast, I guess the guys at DXO had some anticipation as many other as well because Nikon has failed for years to address a certain segment, but it seems like they produced just luxury version of a P & S camera.
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So here’s my first impression:
* considering the rather lowish performance thanks to a IMO too small censor, I can’t understand why on earth make interchangeable lenses, this camera isn’t good enough for such a luxurious feature as interchangeable lenses.
My question is, are Nikon going to release an enthusiast “pocket camera” with larger sensor and again make a new family of interchangeable lenses?
* The censor is 10 Mp, nothing wrong with that, but a quick calculation and comparison with NEX-C3 the conclusion is Nikon 1 should have an ISO performance closer to 500 considering the lower pixel rate/comparatively large pixels to be considered being on the technological forefront when it comes to the sensor.
* The price is too high considering what the competition has to offer.
* I got the impression it’s not a true A or S priority manual control such as DMC-LX3 or a real DLSR have, but some semi-auto-manual, but might be wrong because I couldn’t figure out Nikon’s’ a bit cryptic spec description on their homepage.
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Have to comment some people whining over the “needed” EV range, let me ask you folks are you always shooting P & S cameras on a tripod at ISO 100? yes..? no…?
So let me give you some food for thoughts, the Nikon J1 has 11 EV at measured ISO of 73 (DXOmk), now…………..
where on the ISO scale is a NEX-C3 for instance at a comparable ~11 EV??
MAKE A GUESS FOLKS! 150? 300?………..NO! ?
It’s 588 at EV 10.9 (DXOmk)
ISO 73 VS 588, quite some difference.
I think you understand now, the NEX -C3 will take GREAT pictures at much higher ISO or shutter speed, you will be able to catch many many more moments than you fags whining about high EV low ISO cameras such as Nikon 1 because you need a “foggin” tripod.
The same goes with Tonal Range AND Colour Sensitivity, it drops quickly with higher ISO, the NEX-C3 stands long ahead of Nikon 1, good lenses can’t make up lost EV, Tonal Range & Colour Sensitivity.
I just say it, I have seen so many ridiculous comments on the “needed” high EV here it’s truly astounding considering how most of us will use these types of cameras!
High ISO is always King simply because the EV AND Tonal Range AND Colour Dynamic stays much better higher up, that’s why I love my D700, works everywhere in the hands before a fag tripod is needed so I can catch my ooooooh so precious high EV some other cameras can do at only ISO 100…. LOL
If you are shooting at lowest ISO you must be a Tripod guy, then head over to Canon and grab a 5D mkII, lot of Mp great for landscape and studio shots, doesn’t matter the AF is inferior, you are always shooting on a “tripod” at ISO 100.
*sigh*
“fag tripod.”
lolz.
Meh. Performance over a P/S is incremental and it’s not pocketable. Unless the video feature is wickedly amazing, it’s a big pass for me. I can’t see how any noob looking to move up from a P/S chooses this system. How utterly disappointing.
dyamic range is pretty decent, thats important.
you’ve got to be kidding. Any current P&S can do 11EV. Powershot G12 has 11.2EV.
A 13EV dynamic range is decent, 14EV is great.
“13EV dynamic range is decent”
The D700 is not even 13Ev
what this shows is that for everything but low light the N1 cameras are good.
not that i plan on getting one.
but it has numbers that are not bad.
D700 is too old. D7000 has 14EV, and I expect every new Nikon DSLR to have 14EV as well. 13EV for more “compact” offerings.
The Sony A77, Sony’s new flagship crop camera, announced a month ago does not reach 14EV. (13.2)
The D7000 is a Dynamic range beast and I think it a bit unfair to harshly compare all camera releases to it.
In fact, when people come here to complain about Nikon not being behind the eight ball, we tend to forget that they have release very impressive technology in the last year as well.
I think it is fair because it has the best smaller than 35mm sensor handling on the market today. It even has better dynamic range than the Canon 5Dmk2.
The complaining stems from the D800 expected last year when the D7000 came out. So far the only 2 35mm or smaller dslrs that compete in terms of image quality (not size) are the Nikon Fx cameras (mainly the D3s), the leica M9 and Pentaxes newest offering. Canon hasn’t caught up on dynamic range or on lenses that can resolve at 18+mpx and the sony ff cameras aren’t on the market anymore…
But A77 has much better color depth, that’s important too…
I don’t get it, it shouldn’t matter that much since the ratio will still be around 1:5 right?
i was taking cue from the X100′s sensor. loosing out only 1.4stops from a 12mp aps-c sensor didnt seem too bad. my apologies though, im not in touch with DXO scores and what you say about most camera’s having 11stops is true and i didnt notice that. come to think of it, it still takes a beating from the D200′s sensor which is one i know well. nikon needs to put out some fast glass for this system
Yeah 14Ev (stops of light ) is great. But good luck actually capturing detail in both ends in a real photograph. 14 stops of light, lets see. A shot with dark values in a low light room blow EV 4 (as measured on a one-degree spot meter) and lets say you place zone 3 at EV4. Zone 5 would be EV6 and the bright concrete from the sun out side the window at EV15 (zone 14). You goal is to capture detail from zone 2 to zone 15 if you have a sensor with 14EV dynamic range.
Set your camera to, say, ISO 400 and expose for zone 5 which would be f11 at 1/2 second. Do you think you are not going to blow any highlights out the window on a sunny day at 1/2 second at ISO400?
I think these tests only say the sensor responds to this level of dynamic range not what you’re going to get in a picture.
Don’t the J1 and V1 have the same sensor…why are the colour depth and low light iso numbers different ?
Something’s not right with these test numbers.
Differences in the ‘anti-dust’ system??
Within margin of measurement error, which is 1/3 stop in general, and same for sample differences.
Hi rhlpetrus,
The figures on their website throw up more questions than answers.
According to Dx0 the D700 is better in low light than the D3… the comparison tool is pointless if you’ve no faith in the figures they present.
If people want to compare the V1/J1 against the competition then they’d be better off waiting for some more reliable side by side tests.
Nikon make continuous changes in production. It is quite likely that if you took a D3 made at the same time that the D700 was tested you would see the same performance. It is also possible that the variation between samples is much greater than the precision claimed by DxO.
The Nikon v1 results are pretty much what would be expected. Essentially the same as the D300 except for ISO which is a nonsense parameter because it is only measuring the low light performance of the camera sensor and not the camera plus the lens which is all I care about.
I am in Bermuda with a D300 and 85 f/1.4 and believe me, the low light performance is not half as much of an issue for me right now as the bright light performance.
The V1 has a fast shutter speed which is something I would really like to see on a D400/D800. I would also like to see decent support for ISO 50.
OK so I could go buy the ND filter I should have brought but that is the other side of the harbor and I don’t have time.
Summary: The 1 series loses to the NEX again…
And micro 4/3, but walks all over the PS. Isn’t this to be expected?
NEX is definitely king but the lens choice is a real problem, so overall I think m43 is best. But still none of them match the choice and quality of almost any dslr system or are small enough to fit in a pocket like a Canon S100 or Oly xz-1, so they all seem like a poor set of compromises to me. I am really hopeful for the NEX system though – if they release a high quality e-mount 16-80 zoom then I’ll buy one.
If you have a money NEX is better, you can use Leica lens on it. With focus peaking it’s very better than Picture in Picture on Olympus or Panasonic.
The NEX is impressive but the deception is, as you’ve pointed out are lenses. When you attach a sizeable lens to it, you’re better off with a D3100 IMHO.
I must admit being tempted by the NEX for its video features though.
Lack of lenses for the NEX is a false argument. There aren’t that many NATIVE lenses for it, but there are TONS of lenses you can adapt to it.
It’s also has more lenses than the V1/J1, and is cheaper than both.
So, what’s there to discuss?
Personally its not the lack of lenses but rather the loss of size advantage when attaching good glass onto it.
The NEX is impressive for its size but the D3100 is cheaper and yield better photo results (video is MUCH better on the Sony’s). I can only applaud Sony for producing such a nice little camera but sensor size is a double edged sword when you need to attach lenses to your system.
Another thing I’m worried, based solely on impressions, is that I’d get tired of shooting with a NEX on vacation due to balance issues with larger lenses. I don’t mind the weight (to some extent) as I’ve got a BlackRapid, but balance is really important when you’re continually snapping pics.
D3100 isn’t that good. I had one and sold it almost immediately. A used D90 is better, or paying a bit more for a D5100. I’d rather use an Nex C3 than D3100.
You think that this is not going to be the same for the V1/J1?
Heck, put the f-mount adapter on and you have almost infinite lenses.
For comparison purposes we really need to compare the body/lens combo. A huge sensor is not going to get me anywhere if the lenses are two stops slower.
“Personally its not the lack of lenses but rather the loss of size advantage when attaching good glass onto it.”
- Yes, but sadly the Nikon 1 has this problem as well – big glass. So what’s the point of small sensor in it?
Besides that – it’s perhaps big comparing to m4/3 system that gets an “obvious winner” title in this category but in general glass on NEX isn’t that big, it’s still very portable camera, more than D3100 ever was, even with smallest lens. NEX even if used with 50 f/1.4 lens isn’t a as big camera as many people picture it – bodies are very small, that’s what breaks real perception.
Ummm, size? The whole damn point of the NEX is its small body, but what the hell is the point if you attach honking adaptors and lenses to them? In your hands, the D3100 is far better balanced and the lenses make more sense. Once I can’t put it in a pocket, it may as well be a crop or FF DSLR. Really, apart from style, I can’t understand all you fanbois crowing about the NEX. Unintuitive interface, odd native lens choices… it’s just a mirrorless crop sensor DSLR. The slight loss of size and weight is totally useless.
I’m not sure m4/3 beats this camera. The score look pretty even to me. The j1 wins over m4/3 in several cases…
It’s like coolpix done right…..
Paf that is a great comment and ohh so true.
How about this one:
These camera’s are the 110′s of the film era.
haha..
If Nikon slaps a Coolpix name on those cameras, it would be a great Point and Shoot camera.
you mean “take a lens out of bag, put cap over current lens, take out current lens, put lens in bag, install new lens, remove cap, and shoot”
As long as it can be on par with 4/3 or even beat 4/3, it is a successful camera in term of PQ. Because the sensor is smaller than 4/3 but even perform better!
To be fair, as far as I remember, there is no sensor can be on par or even win another sensor with 1/3 size bigger. Credit to Nikon 1.
It is no way to compare it to NEX, NEX’s sensor is relatively too big. Similarly, you cannot compare 4/3 to a FF camera.
The µ4:3 sensors are 2x bigger. However, the sensor in the Olympus Pen and Panasonic GF is three years old. There is a new sensor design in the Panasonic G3.
The Sony sensor is a late design, so of course it is going to outperform it. The problem with it is to get scores like this you need a lens that should cause you to compare this camera to a D3100 (in bulk).
Comparing the J1 with the newer sensor of the G3 here are the results: (J1 on left, G3 on right)
Overall Score: 56 | 56
Portrait (Color Depth): 21.5 bits | 21 bits
Landscape (Dynamic Range): 11 Evs | 10.6 Evs
Sports (Low-Light ISO): 372 ISO | 667 ISO
It seems like the smaller sensors in the Nikons are on par with m43 in every aspect except low-light, so kudos to Nikon for that. However, compared to the GF3/EP-3 the Nikons are about the same size, so why choose a V1/J1 over a GF3/EP-3 if you lose low-light performance?
Because ISO performance is not low light performance.
The cost of a lens is a function of the aperture, not the aperture ratio.
Put an 85 f/1.4 on a Nikon v1 and you will have an effective focal length of 230mm. The nominal f ratio is still f/1.4 but the combo of lens and sensor will perform just as well in low light as a 200mm on a D3s. DOF and other characteristics will be similar.
Choosing a small sensor size gives Nikon the option of both small lenses for compact/consumer use and huge lenses for pro use.
The m 3/4 manufacturers chose the sensor size to get to market fast, thats all. The only advantage they get from their format choice is that they will be able to go to 50MP sensors and a bit beyond in theory while Nikon will be pushed to go much beyond 24MP. I don’t think thats an issue may will worry about.
Making a DX camera would be stupid because none of the Nikon-1 haters would ever buy it anyway. They wouldn’t even buy an FX camera without a bag of lenses to go with it and probably not even then.
Nikon has a very clear strategy here and a camera that is a much better option than their D3100 or the Canon Rebel. They also have a format that is capable of supporting professional lenses and bodies in the future.
I don’t need every camera I have to be capable of available light photography inside dark caves without flash.
They don’t get any handicap for sensor size. A small sensor is of no benefit to the customer if it doesn’t make the camera smaller or cheaper. Nikon chose to put a tiny sensor in a box that’s not usefully smaller than their competition, and is charging a bunch of money for it.
Yes!!!
no gain in lens size too. Then, why a small sensor?
sorry, i dont speak english
Dxomark does not show any data for Nikon 1.
Is this photoshop?
DxO says, ” But, if this sensor performs well, the Nikon J1 and the Nikon V1 could definitely be the new must-have cameras if you want a really small camera with most of the advantages of a dSLR. We should have this answer very soon, as we should be able to test it very soon.”
Very soon as in yesterday ?
FAKE?
These results are nowhere to be found on dxomark web site
True. When I select them for comparison on the DxO page, it says the scores are “not available”:
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/(appareil1)/744%7C0/(brand)/Nikon/(appareil2)/745%7C0/(brand2)/Nikon/(appareil3)/733%7C0/(brand3)/Nikon
My money would still go on an X100, I am happy to work without a zoom and I don’t think the V1 is going to get near on picture quality. It will be interesting to see other reviews.
X100 is pain, especially focus system. Very slow in low-light.
Jeremy, the x100 is a DOG. I had one, sold it. Great image quality, but random lockups, strange compromises and weird menu navigation made it a pain. Now I travel around with my d90 and 18 to 55 and leave the d700 and 24 to 70 for specific projects and work.
lolz this confirrmed how crappy j1 & v1 is. useless rubbish.
better buy nex-5n or G3, nex-5n high iso can rival full frame 5D2
I imagine most Nikon 1 user would be video shooters or wealthy consumers.
On DXOMark website there are NO results regarding the V1/J1. Or, at least, I cannot find them anywhere: where did u find those results?
Hm.. 11 evs in dr the year 2011? It should be around 13-14 actually.. Oh Nikon.. what are you doing?!
Waaat? Here’s a list of crappy cameras that came out with DR under 13 in the last 2 years.
Pentax 645D
Sony NEX5
Sony Alpha A900
Panasonic Lumix G3
Canon 60D
I understand aiming high is good but new cameras can’t best cameras from a year ago regardless of sensor size. I love my D7000 but I know it can’t compete with a D700 or D3s in some aspects. FWIW I think the J1 does pretty darn good for a sensor this size.
I think Nikon could’ve come up with a smaller body but then again, Nikon is one of those companies that understand camera ergonomics very well. Simply toying with the Sony Nex 5 and good glass made me feel uneasy at thought of shooting all day on such an unbalanced body.
Did someone send the Administrator some ‘bogus’ charts, a leak or what?
I can’t find this information on their web site!
What gives?
as “A photographer is only as good as the equipment he uses…” I’m supposed to buy X100 to be good photog. right?
FAKE
there are no Nikon 1 data on dxomark website
Sure there are.
Type DXOMark in any browser. Open the pull-down menu, lick on Camera Sensor Ratings. In the FIND dropbox, select Nikon J1 and Voilà!
I think it would have been more helpful to have the pictures in the comparison to show the cameras to scale.
Interesting, when I do a comparison on DXOMark I get:
http://cl.mf72.eu/AWRd
I call fake.
all those who start complaining… open your eyes, it’s
FAKE
Maybe Nikon begged and pleaded with DxO to remove the results.
Hmmm…. Can’t find V1/J1 data either…
If Peter posted this without checking, he needs a little spanking
No, I’m not volunteering…
Some new patents were published today…
D4 ? http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20110234888.pdf
D400 ? http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20110234880.pdf
I believe those are old Nikon models – D2x and D70 maybe? I have seen Nikon use those drawings also in other patents.
Patents look to be some warning system where the shutter may be locked to inform you of over/under exposure, flash not pointed correctly or needed, etc. Could be for a consumer DSLR.
The other one looks more interesting as they are using some air port that opens and closes during lens insertion and using the mirror as some sort of sensor cleaning fan or something to clean dust off the sensor prior to the shutter firing. Mentions of some LED that may light to sense major dust problem on the sensor as well. This may be geared to a more expensive body like maybe a D4?
@Admin, where do these come from? DxO mark doesn’t show V1/J1 data yet.
because the site “DxOMark” I did not find it?
there is only an article (preview) no tests …
if I try to compare does not work in preview! … is a fake?
Makes the Fuji look pretty good.
I messed up and published the DxOMark info earlier, before it is available. Sorry about that. The Nikon 1 test data should be available on the DxOMark site any moment now.
No, you did well, thanks!
was only to understand.
Wait until the tests come out “v1″ to compare with “FUJI x10″
(interesting for me this camera!)
products “Fuji X” do not have interchangeable lenses, but my opinion they are very interesting and seem to have something more…
So this is valid data, just published before the embargo has been lifted?
Yes, I saw a banner on their main page http://www.dxomark.com/index.php saying “Nikon J1 and V1 New Review” and I thought they published the data earlier. Apparently this banner was just for the “review” and not for the real “test”. I am in trouble now.
too late to take the post down now
Well thanks, anyway!
OK, the Nikon 1 test data is now available on DxOMark website:
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/News/DxOMark-news/Nikon-1-series-The-tests
great! you all in advance!
OMG! What a flipping joke!
An EPIC FAIL of gigantic proportions!
What aload of junk cameras!
Verifying all the crap reports from these cameras!
The fact that most folks are missing here is that less expensive j1 scored better than the v1….
Ahhh…it all makes sense now.
The facebook comments were designed to distract people from the DxO results and upcoming reviews lol.
Being serious for a minute, it’s what we all knew…better than a compact but not as good as a micro 4/3.
The fact that’s it’s more expensive than micro 4/3 is the killer…did someone say price drop ?
I agree … for me the price is too high!
at this point if you want a good compact camera, and small “fuji X10″ I feel better (if the price is confirmed at 500 euros):
-least expensive
-no price-lens (4x zoom lens included)
-optical fast: f2 – 2.8
-Optical viewfinder
-good design
-similar size sensors
only thing to make sure the software is good …
await testing
What do you think?!
Marco,
The x10 has a much smaller sensor (1/2.3″ vs 1″)
yes … but it is always a compromise between a compact sensor and a 4 / 3 sensor … I think the difference in terms of image quality is not much between the two, you say?
await testing for final decision
X10 is using a 2/3″ (1/1.5″) sensor, in between the Nikon 1 and most point and shoots. Not as big a difference as it seems.
Yes
it’s built around a 2/3″ (6.6 x 8.8mm).” That’s 58.08 square mm and the Nikon 1 is 1″ (12,8 x 9,6), that’s 122.08 square mm.
Quote: “The fact that’s it’s more expensive than micro 4/3 is the killer…did someone say price drop ?”
Nikon 1 has more innovation the m4/3.
- A lot faster. 60 fps for 0,5sec and 10 fp continious shots with autofocus …
- Motion snapshot is nice to have but some people will buy it just for for this option.
- Smart photo selector will help people take perfect shots, some will love this option.
- Phase detection AF and contrast detect AF … Very Nice …
- V1 has a magnesium aloy body … Feels good, feels like quality …
- Good looking EVF …
OK, even then the price is still a bit high but remember. It’s the launch price, just wait 1-2 months and let the market will decide what we’ll pay for it. Judging just on it’s sensor size and sensor capabilities is a not the good idea.
Oh no wait ….. Keep on complaining about the price … I would love to see a price drop for the V1 of at least 200€ before Christmas
Please 
I don’t know what everyone is complaining about. This could be a nice walk around addition for someone who already has a bunch of nikkor lens in their bag.
The only test I want to see is all the small sensonr interchangeable lens cameras tested side by side with the same FF lens mounted. I would like to see it done with a leica or zeiss lens. Maybe the 50mm f1.2 ai.
Also this is the first year for nikons small sensor interchangeable lens system. I’m waiting to see how it develops over the next few years.
Looking at the specs, the J1 is 3-4 oz lighter and smaller in every dimension than both the Oly PEN EP-3 and the Panasonic Lumix G3 they compared it to. So it looks like Nikon went for a smaller system with smaller lenses, but supporting the F-mount, rather than diving into a market already filled by competitors. Nikon can make smaller lenses too. Over the next decade as sensor technology reaches the limit of the usable (and it’s getting there), the 4/3 and NEX systems will be fighting with the mirrorless version of DSLRs. The Nikon 1 will be fighting with point and shoots. It sounds like Nikon has the better long-term strategy.
I can just imagine the howls I’d be reading here if they came out with a solid 4/3 camera that didn’t destroy everything else out there by every measure. Some of you guys are just too funny.
Good analysis. I agree.
Quoting http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/News/DxOMark-news/Nikon-1-series-The-tests/Nikon-J1-a-small-camera-with-a-great-sensor
“…if you want the best image quality and the camera size doesn’t really matter, choose the larger Sony NEX cameras.”
NEX-C3 looks very nice
Sheesh! I just love reading all of these replies from people who think this camera is a failure. I’ll admit the price is a bit steep but other than that, I think Nikon did extremely well. Personally, I’m looking to lighten my second body I carry around from a D300 to one of the 1 series cameras. With a D300 as a second body, I wouldn’t even think of carrying both that and a D700 around. A 1 series with a body cap can go in a side pocket, or even jacket or cargo pcoket, and the FT1 in another. I was considering the V1 but now I just might consider the J1 after seeing this.
Here is where you actually need to look at DXO
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Camera-Sensor-Ratings
You can clearly see where the SonyA77 is worse than the D7000 and the other equivalent Sony A580 (I think) both of 16megs (sorry Pop Photography and others).
Look at the Fuji X100 as even beating the M9 and many older DX cameras.
Look at the Canon ratings especially 7D!
Look at the D3s.
Look at the D3X – best in its’ class too.
Look at the Nikon 1 as ONLY one model is up so far.
Brings things into perspective to all the whiners here.
Foolish people comparing a larger sensor camera to a smaller sensored body and then now call this an elic fail – YEAH right.
The one tested new body equals a D40 and thus Nikon is right, but about their older body, then – LOL.
Lifeless in Seattle here for sure !!!
Nothing but the facts!
And now for the rant about DXO Labs and how they do this and that type of testing and it has no correlation to real world shooting or images, print factors and blah, blah blaaaaah!
WHAT was that you were saying about Nikon being behind anyone?
Care to take you size ten foot out of your size two mouth NOW???
LOL – no life and no facts = you are the epic fail.
10 megapixel CX sensor equals 10 megapixel DX sensored D40 camera from Nikon = REALITY.
Lost on you too as this is a remarkable achievement but most don’t get it.
Give us a D7100, a D800, a D4 plus a D4X and then when the price is announced, then more complaints.
You want a D4X with 48megapixels and 2K video with 16 or 24bit RAW stills and video shooting at 14fps with an outrageous buffer all for HOW MUCH?
$3000.00 – yeah right.
Most entertaining post ever !
The 7D not only has a laughable place on DXO but it is subpar in real life too…
The sensor size/choice for this camera is, for my purposes, EPIC FAIL.
Shallow depth of field and great low light performance are MY priorities, and this camera is useless in those areas compared to, say, the NEX-5n. As a pro shooter who’s has/had the D3, D2xs, etc and a lot of great Nikkor lenses, I was really hoping for an EVIL camera with a NEX-5-ish body size and an APS-C sensor.
Already exists!
Called a D3100 and D5100
This camera is NOT for you and for someone who uses Nikon’s higher end gear, you should clearly KNOW this yourself.
Buy what you like and be done with it = common sense.
Do you seriously expect Nikon or any other Manufacturer to make everything that you personally wish for?
I understand your points, but that is why there are several Manufacturers offering different thrusts and offering cameras or gear with some features better suited to a particular purpose than others.
Simple as that too.
@Sarge
You just described a MINI D3s and no one makes one and the Nex is not that either.
Now if they can make a P7200 with that sensor and redesign the lens to be a bit faster at both ends, that would be a killer.
This was preeeetty much what was expected… /sigh
It’s funny how people got upset at “a photographer is only as good as the equipment he uses”, yet everyone discusses DxO scores as if 1. they are an absolute measure of a camera’s worth, and 2. the numbers directly correlate with the quality of the obtainable results.
It’s a number people, a guide, an arbitrarily weighted summation based on a series of measurements and test results. Its bearing on the quality of the results you are going to take home at the end of the day is tangential at best.
Even DxO themselves insist you should NOT compare the scores across different sensor sizes, only within a group of similar sensors, say APS-C.
EPIC PASS.
Nikon Execs are having a well-deserved Saki tonight. Panny and Oly are not. Even Sony had to notice this result.
Guys and gals this looks very promising. This is a super soccer Mom cam that, if there is any justice, will be selling very well all through 2012. If sales take off like I suspect, Nikon may be motivated to expedite a suite of faster lenses for us forum dwellers. Anyhow my V1 is on order, I don’t own a compact and this looks FAR better suited to my needs than the tiny sensors or the m4/3 or DX options. Like an earlier poster, this camera may supplant the role my D300 does as well. LOVE the freakin speed of this thing! And yup I’ll be mounting my Nikkors for that full PDAF experience including for video. I used to MF in the 80s but I ain’t doing that no more folks
Do you guys realize how many soccer Mom’s and Dad’s there are at work that are not satisfied with their photos? I now have one very easy recommendation for them – the J1.
As an aside, odd that we haven’t seen any Samsung results yet – must not be available on the street yet?
It’s a pity that most people commenting here are short-sighted.
Don’t you get it ?
The N1 system is a stroke of a genius. Already made so much buzz, good or bad, it doesn’t really matter, as long as it gets people talking about it.
Is it leader in IQ?
No, but it’s a perfect balance between IQ, speed, size and convenience. That’s exactly what most people need. It’s expensive you say. I agree. But the market will correct the price if it needs to.
With the next iteration models and when fast lenses come out, I expect in the next 2-3 years, Nikon will be dominating the lower mirrorless market, and maybe the whole mirrorless market (including next generation models).
DXO measurements are interesting and quite revealing, if you bother to look at detailed measurements (not global “scores”, no “comparison”, and only one camera at a time).
You can look at :
- “full SNR”, that tells you much about noise an DR
- “full CS”, especially under CIE-A lighting, that will tell you much about chroma noise
+ don’t forget these are pixel level measurements, so add some benefit to cameras with more pixels (e.g. a 16mp gains 2 extra dB of SNR vs a 10mp camera).
=> all this shows that Nikon’s sensor technology is very good, on paar with Sony’s 16mp sensor (even very slightly better), and much better than Panasonic’s.
NB : I’m not saying that the J1 is on paar with the NEX C3, but that given the sensor size and pixel counts, the difference in quality is “logical”, showing equal techno.
Remove the “even very slightly better”. It’s not meaningfull, could be the other way around with other samples, sorry.
Do they share most of their techno ? Quite possible after all these years of collaboration, don’t you think ?…
I’m just not convinced on how many soccer mums will be buying a $750 J1 when they can get a D3100 with lens for $100 less…
That’s a competitive crowd. They’ll eat this up like iphones…
So, technically speaking, it has a crappy little sensor.
I do look forward to the new AF system making its way into cameras like the D4 or D800. Unless Canon produces an APS-C or FF mirrorless camera, in which case I’ll convert all my pro gear to Canon…
there’s always the leica m9… if you can’t wait for a camera that Canon might never make.
For ‘walkaround’ use, and family photo/video (I have a 16 month old), the video and AF functions are a must… so no M9.
Sarge-”For ‘walkaround’ use, and family photo/video (I have a 16 month old), the video and AF functions are a must… ”
I think you just described a great Use Case for the J1. I’d bet your wife would enjoy one for Xmas and would capture many photos missed by competing model CDAF cameras. And she is unlikely to care about sensor size.
On the bright side, if the Nikon 1 is a forecast of a core technology across all platforms, it should be fairly doable using the Nikon 1 profits to invest in creation of a DX and FX model. Ergo, no need to sell your pro gear.
I’m not sure I can tell anything about these cameras until I get my hands on one. I’ve been using the high end DSLR’s since the D2h was introduced, moving to the D2X series and then on to the D3′s and acquiring some 20 or so suitable lenses.
Fine, but are they the only cameras useful to me as what the world seems to call an “advanced amateur”?
I’ve seen some interesting stuff done with the iPhone, maybe the V1 series will have some interest from some like me who’s carried a camera now every day now for over ten years (starting with the F80 and F5). Yes they’re pricey, but so is everything else in this world.