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Rumor: Nikon’s mirrorless camera will be targeting professionals, to be released in few weeks

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Few weeks ago DSLR Magazine and Mirrorlessrumors already reported that the upcoming Nikon mirrorless camera will be targeted at professionals which contradicted what Nikon executives have said last year. It is possible that Nikon has changed their strategy and decided to go with a different solution.

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  • pnutz

    My opinion.

    I think the “Pro” moniker that Nikon is tossing about is just pure marketing bull. Now if I were to design this camera this is what I would like;

    1)APS-C or larger sensor. Doing a full frame would be nice, but as evidenced by Leica’s efforts, those wide lenses so close will require serious work on the microlenses. APS-C let’s you use that sweet spot and have fewer engineering issues.

    2)AF on par with the Contax G2. If any of you have used that classic camera, you will note that none of the current mirrorless units have achieved the AF of the Contax G2. Hey, that was a mirrorless system (AF Rangefinder) and definitely had excellent AF.

    3)Skip the movie mode, give me a superb JPG engine that will let me drop images to a Bureau service immediately. If I’m shooting an assignment for UPI or AP I’m not worried about the video.

    4)If I wanted to use a zoom I would have brought my DSLR. Give me some seriously high quality primes. I just need three lenses, a 28, 35, and 90mm equivalent to start. Hell even a nice 50mm would be cool, but keep thyem small and fast (Contax G2 lenses are very small for AF lenses).

    5)Hybrid VF. EVF’s are fine for the consumer and tech-fetishist that spend there time pixel peeping, but those of us that shoot for real, nothing is better than a good, bright OVF. If could have projected Frame lines, and live histogram ala the Fuji X100, then it would be perfect.

    So here would be my dream spec list;

    Nikon SP-D (Gotta love the retro name)
    All metal construction (brass and titanium baby. I want something solid) weather sealed.
    14MP APS-C Sensor
    5-8 FPS
    Hybrid Viewfinder
    ISO range of 100-6400
    Full manual dials (aperture rings and shutter speed dial, and a dial for ISO so I don’t need to use the menu, with one button to switch between JPG and RAW)

    Lenses;
    14/4
    20/1.5
    24/1.5
    35/1.4
    60/1.5

    Why F4 on the 14? It’s the only way to make it small and hell by 5.6 you pretty much have everything in focus anyways. F1.5 designs are actually very small at this size BTW.

    Granted this is a wish list and does not represent what Nikon may or will do.
    How much would I pay for this system. I’d pay $4000 USD for say a body with the 24/1.4 as a kit.

    • http://www.DaltonPhoto.com rick

      Sweet kit you designed there. I think I’d be in as well.
      If I need DSLR video, I’ll just use my D7000.

      • pnutz

        Have to agree with you there. So many want a “jack of all trades” mirrorless system. Why? In a system of this size you need to make compromises, and frankly I’d rather have a solid photographic tool than a “me too” system that has a lot of bells and whistles, yet does nothing really well.

        If Nikon inends to make a pro-mirrorless system, then give me a well defined and accurate tool to do the job.

    • broxibear
      • pnutz

        That was cool :)

    • Eric

      I agree with most of this aside from your EVF opinion. I have no issues using high quality EVF’s; and they’re just going to get better over the years. As a portrait photographer I love seeing true DOF/bokeh for the first time, well, ever.

      • pnutz

        I’ve never had a problem seeing DOF in real time. Why they invented stop down levers.

    • CarolStee

      You have some good ideas for the Nikon Pro mirrorless camera: a DX or FX sensor, making it a stills only camera, and small AF, mostly prime lenses.

      Here’s where I disagree:

      A 28mm is not wide enough; 24mm is the new standard wide angle and there should be wide angle lenses going down to 14mm; and telephoto primes from 105mm to 300mm would also be useful–all these figures are for FX, multiply by 1.5 for DX.

      Zoom lenses should be part of any lens collection because they are useful in situations where you can’t move around to frame a picture. Even pros use them.

      Nikon said their mirrorless camera will be something that’s never been done before, which lets out an OVF rangefinder like the Leica M8 or M9. On a mirrorless camera a bright EVF is more versatile than an OVF because you see what the sensor sees through the lens. With an EVF you see white balance problems before you take a picture, at longer focal lengths you see the magnified image, and you can see the image change when you use a zoom lens. The OVF on the Leica M9 is to the side of the lens so the image is not what the lens sees so it has problems with parallax. It has guide lines to frame the picture for certain focal lengths that you have to change each time you change lenses, and if the lens has a focal length with no guidelines you have to approximate the framing. At focal lengths over 90mm the image is too small to frame accurately and you can’t see the image change using a zoom lens, which is why the M mount lenses stop at portrait length and have no telephotos or zooms. For these reasons I would prefer a high quality EVF with at least 1.53 million pixels resolution. The Panasonic GH2′s EVF has 1.53m dots, which is 40% more than the LCD on the Nikon D7000 with 921k dots.

      • pnutz

        A 150 or 300mm lens basically defeats the purpose of a mirrorless compact system, which is convenient size to carry around with a few lenses. If I really want to use a 300mm lens, I would just use my 1ds. Same thing goes for a zoom. I use them, mostly with my 7D when shooting event work. APS-C zooms are rather large, especially fixed aperture ones. A compact mirrorless system should be , COMPACT! Why I would eschew zooms or very long telephoto lenses. I am not looking for this thing to be some sort of replacement for my DSLR, but something more like a companion camera to complement my DSLR.

        When I’m shooting for the day, I just want a small, high quality camera and say three lenses that I can comfortably keep in a Domke F-803 bag and just walk around and shoot, and if I find something interesting get a good quality file. While something like a Leica M9 would be excellent for this, I just don’t want to spend what it would cost for a Phase One back for my Contax 645 on a camera that is just basically a knock around be with me at all times camera.

        Granted everyone’s needs are different, and as I stated this would be MY dream system. I don’t care if Nikon or anyone else would make it. I just would love to have something like this. What you describe is more of a DSLR replacement. If that is what you want, then I hope some manufacturer provides it for you :)

      • pnutz

        Oh and the frame lines on Leica M’s change automatically based on the cam on the lens. I should know, I own a Leica M4-2 film camera, and still use it as my walk around camera.

  • broxibear

    Think I’ll reserve any judgment about a Nikon mirrorless until it’s out and tested against the competition.
    “looks like a classic, carries like a compact and handles like an SLR. Perfect for photographers who want complete control, it delivers a performance worthy of a pro and proves that nothing is out of bounds when you have the right equipment.”… this is how Nikon describe their P7000 ?
    Nikon can target a camera to whoever they want, but if it’s not as good as the competition it won’t sell…too late for me and many others, I bought a GF1 last month.

  • Manfred

    I think the Fuji X100 is the one Nikon has to at least cope with, if targeting for the Pro league.
    I really would consider buying – but not to make up another system next to my DSLR equipment.
    For reasons of size I’d discard the idea of having an F-mount or respective adaptor. I even would discard interchangeable primes if that leads to a larger body size. A fixed fast wide angle like the X100 would do. If this sweetie would then provide a D90 or D300 picture-quality, be sealed and rugged and work with Speedlites etc. I’d be more than happy.

    • Sahaja

      Manfred – If you are happy with a camera with a “fixed fast wide angle like the X100″ – why not just buy the X100?

      I’m tired of me too cameras like the P7000 which is just a Canon copy. We don’t need an X100 copy – or for that matter an M9 copy – from Nikon as well.

      Let’s hope the Nikon mirrorless is FX or at least APS-C, has interchangeable lenses, a good viewfinder and is something different.

  • poizen22

    id love to see a retro style range finder competitor, similar to what leica is offering but at a more affordable nikon price point. if the body was under 2g’s and was a digital rangefinder mirrorless system id buy it in a heartbeat.

  • Coolpixer

    The viewfinder (of whatever sort) will be the key.

  • Matsu

    According to this site: Nikon once took out an add in a Rangefinder publication advertising something “big”; for a while there was an “otoji” rumor about a larger than 35mm “MX” format being prepared; Nikon commented that the only reason to make a mirrorless system was to make it substantially smaller; Nikon filed numerous patents for a new mount and lenses which appear to spec a radically smaller 1″ sensor, or about a 2.7x crop.

    We’ve also heard that the small sensor described in patents could be a typical red-herring, and that lens/mount specs are often disguised in this way when filing patents.

    How we filter all of that rumor depends on how we think Nikon reads the market.

  • MB

    Nikon is advertising P7000 as Pro so I don’t expect new mirrorless models to have significantly larger sensor.
    Nikon will be protecting DSLR line so people expecting something really big will be disappointed with the new One. On the other hand small can be beautiful, no?

  • http://www.final-vision.blogspot.com mike a

    mirrorless rangefinder, full frame, and a 35 f 1.4 and great 3200 iso and all my wishes would be answered

  • http://www.sinclairvisual.com/cognitions ChriSin

    How about a rangerfinder and an EVF? Keep it compact, no mirror needed. Dont get me wrong, I love SLR’s, but in the end id rather be focusing on ground glass anyways…

  • TaoTeJared

    I keep thinking of a previous post of an interview (from this site):

    What I read into that is they will not create a system that in anyway pulls someone wanting the IQ from a DSLR. That usually means High ISO IQ. My biggest complaint of the m4/s systems is that the IQ doesn’t even come close to my almost 4 year old D300. If this can’t match my D300 I would consider it to be a fail.

    Fuji has shown what will sell – APS-C sensor, fast lens, great IQ, and retro looks. If Nikon could take that model and add great interchangeable lenses (Primes, 24mm, 35mm, 50mm, 85mm @F2 & a couple of the standard zooms) they would pull market share from every other camera maker including some from Leica. I agree with a few other posts on the Contex G2 – if they copy that system model they would dominate the market.

  • TaoTeJared

    Rusty at my HTML ;)

    “He then asks that if Nikon was hypothetically willing to make a mirror less interchangeable lens system, would it be APS-C, considering the problem with size due to lenses used. He replies that going APS-C would only make things bigger and would detract from the F mount’s market value in terms of IQ and features.”

    Read more on NikonRumors.com: http://nikonrumors.com/2011/01/21/flashback-nikon-mirrorless-camera-will-be-something-that-nobody-is-currently-making.aspx#ixzz1GT7oXLwF

  • Sahaja

    “It is possible that Nikon has changed their strategy and decided to go with a different solution.”

    I would surprised if Nikon have not had at least two or three different mirrorless cameras with different sensor sizes and lens mounts under initial design, development and trial to see which one has the most potential. They need to get it right and when the time comes they will produce and manufacture the one which seems best for them.

  • Sahaja

    “It is possible that Nikon has changed their strategy and decided to go with a different solution.”

    I would be surprised if Nikon have not had at least two or three different mirrorless cameras with different sensor sizes, lens mounts and viwfinders under initial design, development and trial to see which one has the most potential. They need to get it right and when the time comes they will produce and manufacture the mirrorless system which seems best for them.

    If they are smart they would have started on this at least as far back as when the first m4/3 cameras came out

    • Sahaja

      Admin, Sorry about the duplicate post – my screen does not always seem to refresh properly after I click on Post Comment

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