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F-mount goodies at Photokina

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Several new F-mount products were introduced at Photokina. A quick overview:

Sigma

Samyang

In addition to the 35 mm f/1.4 AS UMC lens, Samyang also announced two new lenses with F-mount: V-DSLR 8 mm F3.5 Aspherical IF MC Fish-eye CS and AE 14 mm f/2.8 ED AS IF UMC. The 8mm lens is what Samyang calls "Video-DSLR" which means that the lens already has follow focus teeth. Electronic interface was added to the 14mm f/2.8 lens for transferring information about focal lengths and available apertures.

Schneider-Kreuznach

Schneider-Kreuznach announced two two tilt-shift lenses with F-mount: PC-TS Super-Angulon 2.8/50 HM and PC-TS Makro-Symmar 4.0/90 HM. Press release is available on dpreview.

Lensbaby

With the new Lensbaby’s Tilt Transformer you can convert your Nikon glass into tilt-shift lenses. The Transformer works on a Panasonic G, Olympus PEN and soon for Sony NEX cameras. You can see some of the results in this picture gallery. Full press release available here. Amazon is already taking pre-orders for the different mounts.

Zeiss

Video presentation of the new Distagon T* 1.4/35 lens and filters from Carl Zeiss:

Tamron

The only announcement from Tamron was that their latest SP 70-300mm F4-5.6 Di VC USD lens will start shipping at the end of September.

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  • JoshL

    Any photokina coverage on the Tokina 16-28 f2.8?

    • JoshL

      oops never mind, didn’t read all the way through….sorry!

  • D40-owner

    The previous version Sigma 150mm HSM macro is one of the best telephoto macros available, from any maker. Amazing sharpness, very low CA, good bokeh, etc.
    I sure hope they didn’t ruin it with the OS elements in there…

  • Jason nikon

    It seems the the 3rd party lens maker are take full advantage of nikon over price lenses. I am new the game of dslr and 3rd party lender are cheaper than nikon. I live nikon products but fore someone with a small bank roll other lens that are good semi pro looks like the way to go. If someone can prove why to only buy nikon lenses please do.

    • http://www.seanmolin.com Sean Molin

      I agree, clocking in at around $5,000, Sigma’s new 120-300mm is definitely taking advantage of nikon’s “over priced” lenses.

      *rolls eyes*

      That’s like saying “I’m glad that Honda Civics are taking full advantage of Chevrolet Corvettes being overpriced. I’m new to the car game, and Civics are cheaper than Corvettes. I love Corvettes, but for someone with a small bank roll, other cars that are solid and drivable looks like the way to go.”

      If you’re doing track-day racing as a hobby, you can get by with a Civic (off-brand lenses)… because it’s for your enjoyment… but if you make money, you’d probably want a precision name-brand sports car (Nikon).

      I’m really glad you are admitting that you are new to the game of DSLRs, so let me be the first to tell you that you get what you pay for. While there are some solid third-party performers, this is many times not the case. Never short yourself on lenses if you can afford to, because they are the primary component for making a quality image. They are generally responsible for sharpness, contrast, and other attributes. Not to mention that Nikkor lenses are going to have a higher resale than Sigma, Tamaron, etc.

      Invest your money in QUALITY lenses, because they hold their value. Bodies don’t.

      • http://micahmedia.com Micah

        I’m going to have to agree with some caveats…new lenes always depreciate, with few exceptions. Right now my 70-200VR I is worth more used than I paid for it new. This is quite unusual. The 28/1.4 is also one of those unusual lenses. Generally the higher the initial price, the more exclusive and rare a lens is and the more likely it’s rarity will contribute to it’s perceived value. Like the 80-200 AFS, which ain’t all that, but is still quite expensive used. But in a year, a used 24/1.4 will probably be worth less money than a new one.

        However, USED glass, in good condition, is always a good investment, since it generally doesn’t depreciate much past a general used price. Of course, if a newer lens that supersedes what you have comes out, sometimes your lens loses value. It’s a bit random. The older they are, the more stable the price is. Also, original boxes help keep the price up.

        Digital bodies are always a losing proposition. Unless of course you make money at it. They’re more like cars that lose value the moment you sign papers.

        That Samyang 14/2.8 looks like it may be quite a deal, and may retain it’s value. Sorta like the 11-16/2.8 Tokina. It’s so good people don’t often let go of them. Time will tell…

        • http://www.seanmolin.com Sean Molin

          Sure thing. I definitely agree with the used sentiment.

          I bought an 85mm f/1.8 used, sold it for more than I paid.

          And my description definitely holds more to the pro lenses. New $250 – $800 range lenses, not so much…. but if you’re buying lenses in that range, then you’re not buying lenses to be “mission critical. (with a major exception being the 50mm f/1.4… but that’s also the exception in that there are some great 3rd party options)”

          I bought a 14-24 f/2.8 new, and it is now used for more than I paid new.
          I bought a 70-200 VR II new for $2100, and I doubt it will ever get much below $2k. If you buy a Sigma 70-200, you bet your bottom dollar it’s not going to retain as well.

          I also think that low-volume, ultra-premium lenses like the 24 f/1.4 won’t ever come down much if at all.

          • http://micahmedia.com Micah

            I got ridiculous deal on a 85/1.8 meself. No complaints. Touch of fringing wide open in daylight, otherwise sharp!

            • ukj

              could you tell us where you got this deal

            • http://www.seanmolin.com Sean Molin

              I got a really good deal to on eBay… almost exactly two years ago.

              I got the non-D version with the aperture lock pin (instead of switch). Paid $225, mint condition… and yes for best bang-for-the-buck optics I’ve ever had.

            • http://micahmedia.com Micah

              Ebay if I remember correctly. Turned out to be only three months old with original receipt. $230 after cash back from Bing. : D

              Looked brandy new and had the newer inner pinch cap, so I suspect it was recent production too.

  • Nikodoby

    So the “for the first time, accessories” comment from a while back turned out to be Zeiss brand filters? That’s what they were talking about? I was expecting a new line of Zeiss apparel or something :(

  • The invisible man

    Fantastic !!!
    Finaly I found the right gift for my grand father 99th birthday !
    :o

  • Il Fenomeno

    http://www.mst.cc/Images/atx1735.jpg
    Most intriguing lens from Photokina, Tokina AT-X 17-35 F4.0 PRO FX .

    • Karlosak

      Nice find, and it’s relatively small – very similar to 11-16mm or 12-24mm. Hopefully it’s as good as the equivalent Nikkor sans the barrel distortion.

    • Mike

      I don’t get Tokina. Fine products but a 17-35 f4? If I were interested in that I would just get either a 16-35 … with VR or a used 17-35 2.8 and stopped down to f/4 is pretty good. Even Canon has a 16-35 2.8 and a 17-40 f/4. So it must be pure price point.

      • Il Fenomeno

        What you think how much will cost Tokina 17-35 F4 if Tokina 16-28 F2,8 cost $899?

  • PHB

    The follow focus gears are almost certainly going to turn out to be useless.

    First, it is not very difficult to add them as after-market.

    But more importantly, every Auto Focus lens already has a focus motor somewhere (possibly in the camera). The problem is the lack of control, not the lack of a motor.

    I expect that as video becomes increasingly important in the DSLR world, that cameras will come with the necessary firmware and connectivity to take a remote control for focus pulling.

    The Nikon camera control API quite possibly supports this already.

    In the medium term, the focus puller is going to become unnecessary. Computer control is already essential for the most complex, Matrix like effects. These capabilities will become standard and the same platforms will be offering fancy stuff like the Spielberg depth of focus compression effect where the camera moves and zooms simultaneously.

    Rather than having humans do the focus adjustment, the director is going to specify the subject to focus on and the correct focus is going to be calculated from a network of position sensing devices – probably cheap HD web cams spaced to give a 3d measurement field.

    • Akira

      Because DSLR filmmakers are going to be using computers and aiming for Matrix-level cinematography? Really?

      • PHB

        Follow focus is a pretty high end feature because you need to have two people operating the camera.

        The low end of follow focus will be a $350 remote that plugs into the camera USB socket. Expensive but cheaper than a gear thingie.

    • http://micahmedia.com Micah

      +1 on the gears

      Fisheyes with follow focus? What are they thinking?

      • Victor Hassleblood

        Exactly my thoughts.

        But I guess we don’t need to worry about the focus puller standing in the 180 degrees, as he isn’t really needed anyway. How wierd ! ! !

      • Jabs

        @Micah.
        LOL!
        LOL!
        LOL!
        Yeah – let us examine this – a Fisheye has how many degrees of view?
        So, what is the depth of field of the average Fisheye?
        Hmmmm!
        So now, you go from focusing within the depth of field to show us as an EXAMPLE of your skill – LOL!
        Why did they not use the old Nikon 220 degree fisheye and then the focus puller’s FEET and equipment would also be in the frame – (*** tongue in cheek and rolling eyes, too ***) – OK, we ez all stoopid.
        LOL!

    • cameramanben

      Just to point out that focus pulling moving pictures is far from limited to holding focus on a subject. On 35mm focus splits are very important – setting a stop and focus where a range of depths is important. Look at the Zeiss video above; to me the out-of-focus camera the the sharp salesman is showing off is really distracting and on the closeups the selected stop is way to shallow for the operator to handle and keep track of.

      The camera can set splits when it knows where the action is, but if the subjects enter from an empty frame, then what. And if adjustments need to be made, should it pull to background figures or foreground figures.

      If you choose to have very shallow focus and have two subjects at different depths both talking, the scene can have very different feelings depending on the focus pulling choices. You could rack from one to the other as they speak but that is distracting and rapidly becomes annoying much of the time. More usually you use the lens’s ability to control the emotional focus, maybe starting on one figure but pulling to the other to see the reaction to the words spoken.

      These are choices and requirements that will need refinement take-to-take, not something you would want to push a button for.

      Spontaneous focus choices are even more important and ephemeral shooting documentaries.

      Of course it is all somewhat less significant shooting with domestic handicams with chips five or six times smaller in crop than FX or even DX. Even there autofocus still manages to spend plenty of time hunting or choosing the wrong thing to keep sharp.

      There are considerably simpler and more accurate ways of rangefinding than an array of webcams unless you were talking about a form of synthetic aperture – and practically mid-term is a bit optimistic for that one.

      Sorry if I’ve gone off on one a bit, but as a cameraman the depth of field control available on video DSLRs is very exciting. Most large broadcast camcorders are 2/3-inch which actually has a crop factor of around 3.9 against 35mm stills (Nikon APC-C is 1.5). That sounds wrong but 2/3-inch is not actually 2/3-inch (google it). The biggest video chips most people get to use are one to two thirds of that size.

      • cameramanben

        I really like the idea of using the internal focus motors though!

    • Jabs

      @PHB.
      That was one of the most thought provoking post here in a LONG time – lol.
      Yeah, they are already doing this in CUSTOM software/hardware and then I also expect this to be graduated to the HARDWARE level n cameras and then when you interface it with a computer, it will do amazing things.
      ELIMINATE da humans – (Dalek!!!) – lol
      I already do things like custom controls (see http://www.ni.com) and thus what you speak about is NOT ‘pie in the sky’ stuff but a real doable thing.
      Your post made me sit up and think.
      Thanks!

  • onodera

    Hasn’t Tokina already released this lens quite a long time ago?

  • http://www.sumnerlambert.netii.net Foofiebeast

    This is the first time I’ve ever been remotely excited about a lensbaby product, I haven’t seen the price yet. Most (read: all) of their other products seem silly and produce poor results, they all seem to basically be “make your pictures blurry”, whereas the promo shots from the tilt shift model actually seem to recreate the effect with some amount of gusto. Depending on the price, it might be a great accessory for new users to play around with.

    • Joe

      I had a look at that Lensbaby Tilt-Shift thingy, and actually it’s a very strange product: it mounts a NIKON-lens to a FOURTHIRDS-camera! No other options or mount combinations!!! The girl on the stand also couldn’t explain the reason for that…

  • http://www.sumnerlambert.netii.net Foofiebeast

    ehhh, might have spoken too soon.

    • http://www.seanmolin.com Sean Molin

      Remember that one time that Lens Baby made a tilt shift adaptor for Nikon lenses that don’t fit Nikon camears?

      • poizen22

        this is to true. i am a nikon user and am quite dissapointed they didnt make this to mount an f mount nikon body it only mounts f mount lenses. i really dont understand the logic.

        • preston

          I think it’s because of the shorter flange distance in the mirrorless bodies (which is what these tilt adapters mount to). The adapter is also a spacer which is why you can’t mount native m4/3 lenses to it. If it mounted to a Nikon then it would also act as an extension tube too which they would need to make clear because lots of people would be pissed if they didn’t know this and their maximum focus distance was limited to the macro range when they used it.

  • http://eleventhphotograph.com ELPH

    Mmm, nothin’ that really catches my eye here. I’ve been contemplating getting the Nikon 80-200 f2.8 (http://nikon.ca/en/Product.aspx?m=14463) Too poor to afford the 70-200 VR ones. Anyone have experience with the lens?

    • human tripod

      Grab a used 80-200 2.8 AF-S. Different design than the AF-D. Mine is sharp wide open.

    • Norgate

      I hope that the Samyang’s price will be the same as their current one .

      • fiatlux

        You can count on the AE version of the 14mm to cost a bit more than the non-AE (50$/€ or so).

        The 35mm 1.4 is announced at 400€ for January 2011. A bit more expensive than the 85 1.4. I was shocked to realize how much longer the new 35mm is than the 85mm. Different from Nikon were the 24, 35 and 85mm 1.4 are all three very similar in size.

      • Norgate

        Error ! Sorry !

        That’s a fine glass by the way . At around 300 USD ( atleast on where I live ) it’s surely a nice deal . Get one and you won’t regret it !

    • Ren Kockwell

      Just got one a few weeks ago and its impressive. People who call it slow must be shooting roadrunners jumping from bullet trains. Sharp all over, accurate AF and gorgeous bokeh.

    • Jabs

      @ELPH.
      This is a classic Nikon lens with many different varieties.
      I owned two versions – the later classic AIS manual version and later the metal body AF version without zoom creep or the crappy front focusing ring (if I remember right).
      To my mind – this lens is one of the underrated lenses and I always loved both of them.
      I used the AIS on an F3HP and F3T plus the AF version on an F4S.
      My choice of subjects were what made them so great. I would shoot with them hand-held or with a light Gitzo monopod and fill the frame as in shooting head/chest body shots quickly. Great quality but slower autofocus and thus used them for Parades and such outdoors. I also find them great for shooting hot air balloons, cars shows, buildings and other primary slower moving subjects. I also used them with B+W and Nikon polarizers and B+W has some (expensive) combination polarizers and neutral density/colored filters that allow you to use one filter to do many things. Remember that these lenses use 77mm filters and thus pricey. I once did an indoor shot with a Tiffen soft filter (women’s stocking between glass -lol) of an older woman and it was mounted on a tripod and lit with one SB-16A mounted on an F3HP and the results on Fujichrome 100D was amazing.
      GREAT lens but avoid the old ‘plastic’- loose focus ring one, IF buying used.
      Also look at the 180mm F2.8 ED-IF – a real classic too.

  • http://foxymedium.com sept

    ultra soft at wide open. good enough at other aperture. no vr : (
    better corner than 70-200 vr but the new one is better at every aspects

    • http://micahmedia.com Micah

      Huh? Which lens are you talking about? The 80-200AFS?

    • Ren Kockwell

      If you’re referring to the 80-200 AF-S, you’re nuts. It’s a great lens AND it takes the TC-17e.

      • http://micahmedia.com Micah

        Maybe I got a bad sample. The one I used didn’t compare well to my 70-200 or the 80-200D I shot next to it. And the 80-200D in the comparison had even been dropped.

        • Ren Kockwell

          Sorry, Micah, should have specified. I was referring to @sept’s comment. And I’m sure he’s not nuts! But for sure, the D is a good deal slower than the AF-S. Perhaps you did get a bum sample. The D is still typically a fine lens and quite the bargain currently, but it won’t take Nikon’s teleconverters. The 70-200 is obviously a good step up from there.

  • Edward RNLMC retired

    Sigma´s 120-300 f2:8 apo os hsm looks nice but first the price? and second good as what from nikon if it´s realy tag sharp may be ill buy it and not the nikon 300f 2:8 vr we shall see

    • http://istudio.isaacalonzo.com/ makatron

      i used the old sigma 120-300 and i totally love it and is a nice lens if you need a great zoom because even though the nikkor 300mm f2.8 is amazing sometimes i just dont have space to back off so this zoom is a godsend

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/rhlpedrosa/ rhlpetrus

    Samiyang should start a zoom line. Their lenses are great. I’d love a cheap 70-200 f/2.8.

    • d300

      with no AF? i wouldn’t.

  • Kevophoto

    Why would you ever put a sigma lens on a nikon body?

    • http://micahmedia.com Micah

      Because Nikon doesn’t make a 20mm/1.8

      : D

      …otherwise, I agree. And, for some: the lens you can afford to buy and use is always better than the one you can’t.

      • Rocking Kenwell

        And for some, the D40 you can buy and use is always better than the D800 that you can’t.

    • Ren Kockwell

      The Sigma 30mm f/1.4 is a terrific little DX lens for an affordable price.

      • http://micahmedia.com Micah

        At a stop slower I still prefer my teeny tiny 35/2. Lots of shots with it in events section of my site.

        • Ren Kockwell

          That’s a lens I wish Nikon would update affordably for full frame. f/2 or f/1.8. Unfortunately, I got a bum version of the f/2 a while back. On a good sample, while it’s a bit soft and vignetted on the edges wide open, I agree it’s reliable, quick and sharp after 2.8.

          The Sigma is a lot of fun on a cropped sensor though (or even FF if you like vignetting), and it costs about an eighth of the Nikon equivalent. Pretty bokeh, surprisingly reliable AF if you get a current sample and pleasing color profile. It’s the only Sigma I’ve ever considered other than the 10-20mm.

        • Ren Kockwell

          Some nice shots on your site, by the way, Micah.

          • http://micahmedia.com Micah

            Danke!

            Definitely vignettes a bit, but not objectionably so. But I have to say it’s actually quite sharp out to the edges at f2 with two caveats: curvature of field and at 2 DOF is quite shallow, so the (slightly unflat) field of focus can miss your subject if you’re not careful. At times I wish the focus sensors were a bit more spread out for the wider lenses and dramatic shots.

  • itzraza

    Wait, so the samyang fisheye will autofocus with the d7000 or is it a manual focus lens?

    • rlanthier

      MF only, I am 99% sure…

  • venancio

    I AM in pain… I AM disappointed… nothing mentioned in the Nikon booth about the S8100… it’s supposed to be new… there was supposed to be even a 3rd DSLR, too… how are you guys holding it all up? yeah, i know, going out of the house and taking pictures… really… Q is for qonspiracy… nikon and canon agreed not to announce anything more… yeah, i’m out of topic ’cause there’s so much cricket noise in my head when i hear the work photokina… there’s silence, no applause, and then there’s the cricket noise… i guess i just expected something more… i’m a nikon junkie…

    • http://davidandstella.wordpress.com/ David

      I have been trying to locate the cricket which chirps near my window every night. :D

      • venancio

        Qrickets are courtesy of niQon and Qanon, ask them…

    • Gonads

      Haha, brilliant :)

    • Snoboy

      I know how I held up – went to the shop and bought a D700. Been playing with it for a couple of days; so far I’m pretty stoked. The only reason I bought it was that I figured it was the only way to get Nikon to release it’s successor (I’ve been lusting for it for ages, holding out for the update I thought would come…). Turns out it’s a pretty nice camera to play around with as well ;)

  • Edward RNLMC retired

    Makratron thanks for your comment but i stay with nikon for de dslr body always i shall sell my nikon 70-300 vr and sigma 170-500 and buy the sigma 120-300 os if the price is okidoki and the new sb 700

  • http://www.truphotos.com gnohz

    Is the filter thread for the 120-300 f/2.8 105mm? Thought I saw that somewhere. If that’s true it’s huge :D

  • rlanthier

    FWIW: I heard from Sigma customer service that the new 150 macro OS and 120-300 OS lenses would not be available until after the holidays (I read that as early 2011 as best case). Also, 85 1.4 should be shipping in the “next few weeks.” FWIW! I can’t wait to hear about the 150 OS, I am packing up my copy of the original now… ;)

  • zzddrr

    WHO let the dogs out?

    • Rocking Kenwell

      My D40 did it!

      • zzddrr

        Darn it, next time handle your D40 with more care because now all the cats are gone!

    • venancio

      arf, arf you taling to me? arf!

  • http://www.silentcreek.de/ Timo

    @admin:
    Regarding your statement on Tokina and AF-motors: Do you realize that your source for that “news” is from 2008! That’s not new at all – as others have mentioned in the comments as well, their 12-24mm lens with AF-motor has been released quite a while ago!

    Cheers,

    Timo

    • http://nikonrumors.com/ [NR] admin

      To be honest, I don’t know what happen there – I wanted to report a Tokina news and somehow got the wrong URL. The real problem is that I do not ever remember what the real Tokina news was!

  • LGO

    From Canonrumors:

    “I have a bit more information

    It seems that both Canon and Nikon are aiming for very high megapixel flagship cameras near the end of 2011, somewhere in the 35-45 mpx range.

    This exceeds original reports of a 32mp sensor inside the 1Ds Mark IV.

    Before either of these cameras launch, I suspect both Canon & Nikon will release big megapixel cameras to come above the D700 & 5D Mark II. Think in the 28-32mp range. This would match up with some stuff I’ve been told in the past.”

    • http://www.truphotos.com gnohz

      Things will start to get interesting :) Maybe that’ll be the D700X, or the replacement.

  • Edward RNLMC retired

    To Gnohz let´s hope and wait d700x triple x or what shall it be

  • Edward RNLMC retired

    To Gnohz filter thread sigma 120-300 apo os hsm 105 mm

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