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		<title>By: Louis Rosenthal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louis Rosenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 18:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah i was just thinking, if 4 inches is too much, how on earth can it be done in cinematography with how large those cameras are sometimes!
glad to see somebody who seems to know what they&#039;re talking about :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah i was just thinking, if 4 inches is too much, how on earth can it be done in cinematography with how large those cameras are sometimes!<br />
glad to see somebody who seems to know what they&#8217;re talking about <img src='http://nikonrumors.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 11:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they they used nuke, that probably they used the foundry&#039;s ocular plugin to readjust the interocular distance. This is what was used on avatar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they they used nuke, that probably they used the foundry&#8217;s ocular plugin to readjust the interocular distance. This is what was used on avatar.</p>
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		<title>By: ArtTwisted</title>
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		<dc:creator>ArtTwisted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 17:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>those are for style clearly and they also let the user guide the rig around like a horse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>those are for style clearly and they also let the user guide the rig around like a horse.</p>
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		<title>By: glu</title>
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		<dc:creator>glu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 17:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can anyone explain the camera straps? I mean, is anyone going to use them with the combo or what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can anyone explain the camera straps? I mean, is anyone going to use them with the combo or what?</p>
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		<title>By: Gav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 11:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in the 3dtv world cameras are placed closer together (otherwise known as reducing the interaxial distance) by placing the 2nd camera on top of the other and then reflected through a mirror. obviously these are much larger cameras than a D90 and there is a quality loss but its only on one eye</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in the 3dtv world cameras are placed closer together (otherwise known as reducing the interaxial distance) by placing the 2nd camera on top of the other and then reflected through a mirror. obviously these are much larger cameras than a D90 and there is a quality loss but its only on one eye</p>
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		<title>By: Fried Toast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fried Toast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 03:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been fooling w/ the idea of picking one up for some time now, but haven&#039;t convinced myself (having bought a Canon S90 at the beginning of the year put a pinch on my desire for *another* P&amp;S). Having read your summary, it brings the itch back a bit  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been fooling w/ the idea of picking one up for some time now, but haven&#8217;t convinced myself (having bought a Canon S90 at the beginning of the year put a pinch on my desire for *another* P&amp;S). Having read your summary, it brings the itch back a bit  <img src='http://nikonrumors.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Fried Toast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fried Toast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 03:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A sell out? Because the name is Nikon? It certainly won&#039;t be because they were the first out w/ a 3D camera.

Here&#039;s the latest. Not sure if it&#039;s the actual first 3D digital camera or not. There may have been other before it:
http://www.fujifilm.com/products/3d/camera/finepix_real3dw1/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A sell out? Because the name is Nikon? It certainly won&#8217;t be because they were the first out w/ a 3D camera.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the latest. Not sure if it&#8217;s the actual first 3D digital camera or not. There may have been other before it:<br />
<a href="http://www.fujifilm.com/products/3d/camera/finepix_real3dw1/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fujifilm.com/products/3d/camera/finepix_real3dw1/</a></p>
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		<title>By: [NR] admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 01:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your answers Alex!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your answers Alex!</p>
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		<title>By: [NR] admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>[NR] admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 01:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not famous :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not famous <img src='http://nikonrumors.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: [NR] admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 01:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for sharing!</description>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 00:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the first thing I noticed when I saw this rig too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the first thing I noticed when I saw this rig too.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikon L35</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikon L35</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 23:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The hardware used is certainly interesting to say the least. For those of you interested in stereo photography I would highly recommend this company&#039;s hardware 

http://www.stereoscopy.com/jasper/   

I met the owner. He does all his own machining and has been quietly making them for about 25 years. I own the panorama head and the single vertical mount. The construction is top-notch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hardware used is certainly interesting to say the least. For those of you interested in stereo photography I would highly recommend this company&#8217;s hardware </p>
<p><a href="http://www.stereoscopy.com/jasper/" rel="nofollow">http://www.stereoscopy.com/jasper/</a>   </p>
<p>I met the owner. He does all his own machining and has been quietly making them for about 25 years. I own the panorama head and the single vertical mount. The construction is top-notch.</p>
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		<title>By: Worminator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Worminator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 23:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, but this is the kind of garbage art students tend to spout. &quot;Oh, it was really hard, we had to make three different versions...&quot; etc etc.

They bolted the cameras on whatever pits of ply-board they had handy... and it took them a couple of hours. It looks like crap, and the two cameras probably don&#039;t even point in the same direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but this is the kind of garbage art students tend to spout. &#8220;Oh, it was really hard, we had to make three different versions&#8230;&#8221; etc etc.</p>
<p>They bolted the cameras on whatever pits of ply-board they had handy&#8230; and it took them a couple of hours. It looks like crap, and the two cameras probably don&#8217;t even point in the same direction.</p>
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		<title>By: zzddrr</title>
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		<dc:creator>zzddrr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 22:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok, this means that in 3D I am 3 times uglier &gt;&gt; I am alredu ugly :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, this means that in 3D I am 3 times uglier &gt;&gt; I am alredu ugly <img src='http://nikonrumors.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jivee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jivee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 19:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah! The &#039;D180&#039;, the D90 replacement! Right, now to go and build my Panasonic &#039;FZ100&#039;. I knew there was a darn good reason I bought that second FZ50.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah! The &#8216;D180&#8242;, the D90 replacement! Right, now to go and build my Panasonic &#8216;FZ100&#8242;. I knew there was a darn good reason I bought that second FZ50.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry N.Bolch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry N.Bolch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 18:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I covered all aspects of motor racing as my job for more than a dozen years, but that was film and shot for publication a lot of years ago. So no shots on Flickr. Well over 90% of my shots so far have been decisive moment people shots.

Photoshop makes anaglyphs a breeze. Paste the right eye view over the left as a new layer. Select Layer-&gt;Layer Style-&gt;Blending Option and click the Red button for red/cyan or the green button for green/magenta. Use the cursor keys to set the convergence plane while viewing through glasses. I have an Action that does the layering and blending, so all is left is using the cursor keys for setting the easiest and most natural viewing. Very slick, and works with either colour or monochrome images. I have one version of the Action that de-saturates the images prior to layering which produces less cross-talk between eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I covered all aspects of motor racing as my job for more than a dozen years, but that was film and shot for publication a lot of years ago. So no shots on Flickr. Well over 90% of my shots so far have been decisive moment people shots.</p>
<p>Photoshop makes anaglyphs a breeze. Paste the right eye view over the left as a new layer. Select Layer-&gt;Layer Style-&gt;Blending Option and click the Red button for red/cyan or the green button for green/magenta. Use the cursor keys to set the convergence plane while viewing through glasses. I have an Action that does the layering and blending, so all is left is using the cursor keys for setting the easiest and most natural viewing. Very slick, and works with either colour or monochrome images. I have one version of the Action that de-saturates the images prior to layering which produces less cross-talk between eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Fry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Fry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 16:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey..
I&#039;m one of the guys doing this series...

I&#039;ll just answer a few of the points brought up in the comments here.

Yes, the lenses are 35mm AFS 1.8.
Focusing was done by having the subjects stand on a mark, flip to live view, find manual focus for both cameras, switch off live view, engage preload triggers.. Everything was shot at 2.8, this caused issues with both the subject moving off their mark, and asymmetrical focus when something was bumped or nudged accidentally..

As for the oversize inter-occular, it was a byproduct of the construction technique. We have no metal working experience so the rig was bolted together using available materials and skills. Its backyard, but it works. 
The impact on the stereo is to exaggerate the depth, but the effects are negligible at the kind of display sizes we are viewing at, life is also made easier by having a blank background.

As for the rig&#039;s lack of ability to converge the cameras, we subscribe to the parallel school when it comes to camera setup. In a perfect world we would have purpose designed camera bodies with mechanically shiftable sensors, or be shooting with tilt/shift lenses to offset the sensor.. But we don&#039;t have those things, so we shift in post. It means you lose some resolution and field of view, but its fast, easy and avoids all the keystoning and vertical disparities issues inherent in shooting converged.

The Anaglyph conversion was done in Nuke. I implemented the conversion fomulas found here:
http://www.3dtv.at/knowhow/anaglyphcomparison_en.aspx
Specifically the Optimized Anaglyph formula, it dramatically reduces luminance asymmetry by knocking out colours that only appear in one eye or the other. You lose colour range but reduce the visual buzzing. Its responsible for the heavy green cast, but it feels better in 3d relative to traditional anaglyph.
If anyone is interested they can download my Nuke gizmo below:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3656251/OptimizedAnaglyph.gizmo.zip
We dint use Ocular but most likely will in the future. We aren&#039;t using it in our day jobs because Guardians is all CG and doesn&#039;t suffer from the issues that Ocular is designed to address (mainly repairing problems with mismatches in live action stereo footage).

@Larry N.Bolch
Are you the guy who takes all the great 3d Lambo and Ferrari stuff on Flickr?

As for the W1.
I have one now, its great and lives in my bag everywhere I go. Takes seconds to fire up unlike the 30 minutes of frigging around with the D90s. I love it.
Its worth noting that the W1 is also a parallel camera, doing the convergence as a post process.. 

@Rob Bannister
Yes, reconstructing 3d point clouds from stereo pairs is an area that interests us.
Its non-trivial but we have tried some stuff with projecting into a deepimage.. Its cool, but we need more hours in the day..

As for Nikon making dedicated stereo cameras in the future?
I think its going to have to evolve out of wherever they go with mirrorless cameras, smaller lenses for the same size sensor will make it easier to position the sensors close together..
See similar ideas with people getting excited about stereo rigs built on RED&#039;s small sensor scarlet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey..<br />
I&#8217;m one of the guys doing this series&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll just answer a few of the points brought up in the comments here.</p>
<p>Yes, the lenses are 35mm AFS 1.8.<br />
Focusing was done by having the subjects stand on a mark, flip to live view, find manual focus for both cameras, switch off live view, engage preload triggers.. Everything was shot at 2.8, this caused issues with both the subject moving off their mark, and asymmetrical focus when something was bumped or nudged accidentally..</p>
<p>As for the oversize inter-occular, it was a byproduct of the construction technique. We have no metal working experience so the rig was bolted together using available materials and skills. Its backyard, but it works.<br />
The impact on the stereo is to exaggerate the depth, but the effects are negligible at the kind of display sizes we are viewing at, life is also made easier by having a blank background.</p>
<p>As for the rig&#8217;s lack of ability to converge the cameras, we subscribe to the parallel school when it comes to camera setup. In a perfect world we would have purpose designed camera bodies with mechanically shiftable sensors, or be shooting with tilt/shift lenses to offset the sensor.. But we don&#8217;t have those things, so we shift in post. It means you lose some resolution and field of view, but its fast, easy and avoids all the keystoning and vertical disparities issues inherent in shooting converged.</p>
<p>The Anaglyph conversion was done in Nuke. I implemented the conversion fomulas found here:<br />
<a href="http://www.3dtv.at/knowhow/anaglyphcomparison_en.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.3dtv.at/knowhow/anaglyphcomparison_en.aspx</a><br />
Specifically the Optimized Anaglyph formula, it dramatically reduces luminance asymmetry by knocking out colours that only appear in one eye or the other. You lose colour range but reduce the visual buzzing. Its responsible for the heavy green cast, but it feels better in 3d relative to traditional anaglyph.<br />
If anyone is interested they can download my Nuke gizmo below:<br />
<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3656251/OptimizedAnaglyph.gizmo.zip" rel="nofollow">http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3656251/OptimizedAnaglyph.gizmo.zip</a><br />
We dint use Ocular but most likely will in the future. We aren&#8217;t using it in our day jobs because Guardians is all CG and doesn&#8217;t suffer from the issues that Ocular is designed to address (mainly repairing problems with mismatches in live action stereo footage).</p>
<p>@Larry N.Bolch<br />
Are you the guy who takes all the great 3d Lambo and Ferrari stuff on Flickr?</p>
<p>As for the W1.<br />
I have one now, its great and lives in my bag everywhere I go. Takes seconds to fire up unlike the 30 minutes of frigging around with the D90s. I love it.<br />
Its worth noting that the W1 is also a parallel camera, doing the convergence as a post process.. </p>
<p>@Rob Bannister<br />
Yes, reconstructing 3d point clouds from stereo pairs is an area that interests us.<br />
Its non-trivial but we have tried some stuff with projecting into a deepimage.. Its cool, but we need more hours in the day..</p>
<p>As for Nikon making dedicated stereo cameras in the future?<br />
I think its going to have to evolve out of wherever they go with mirrorless cameras, smaller lenses for the same size sensor will make it easier to position the sensors close together..<br />
See similar ideas with people getting excited about stereo rigs built on RED&#8217;s small sensor scarlet.</p>
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		<title>By: hybris</title>
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		<dc:creator>hybris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 15:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i second that
not very interesting photo witch ps could do better

it looks like somthi´ng has gone wrong

bad rumor/not interesting anyway</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i second that<br />
not very interesting photo witch ps could do better</p>
<p>it looks like somthi´ng has gone wrong</p>
<p>bad rumor/not interesting anyway</p>
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		<title>By: Fried Toast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fried Toast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 13:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t own the 35, but can see that they&#039;re definitely not the 50G. If they are, then I&#039;ve got a super limited special edition 50G that looks completely different  :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t own the 35, but can see that they&#8217;re definitely not the 50G. If they are, then I&#8217;ve got a super limited special edition 50G that looks completely different  <img src='http://nikonrumors.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Fredbare</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fredbare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 13:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s safe to say that Nikon (or any other sensible camera manufacturer) will bring out their higher end cameras before their cheaper &#039;stripped down&#039; ones. Otherwise they would be shooting themselves in the foot.
So expect D4 before D800
D400 before D9000
A better &#039;entry level&#039; model than the D3000/5000 to get customers into the Nikon &#039;family&#039;.
They may have a D90S with better video capabilities but no other improvements in the shorter term - if they&#039;ve figured out how to freeze Jello ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s safe to say that Nikon (or any other sensible camera manufacturer) will bring out their higher end cameras before their cheaper &#8216;stripped down&#8217; ones. Otherwise they would be shooting themselves in the foot.<br />
So expect D4 before D800<br />
D400 before D9000<br />
A better &#8216;entry level&#8217; model than the D3000/5000 to get customers into the Nikon &#8216;family&#8217;.<br />
They may have a D90S with better video capabilities but no other improvements in the shorter term &#8211; if they&#8217;ve figured out how to freeze Jello &#8230;.</p>
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