Comments on: Nikon D500 rumor from Russia http://nikonrumors.com/2010/05/15/nikon-d500-rumor-from-russia.aspx/ where there’s smoke there’s fire Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:34:23 +0000 hourly 1 By: sax_man_al http://nikonrumors.com/2010/05/15/nikon-d500-rumor-from-russia.aspx/comment-page-2/#comment-66567 sax_man_al Fri, 21 May 2010 23:10:57 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=11281#comment-66567 Is Zoetmb the only one speaking sense? After the D300 comes the D400 not a D500, otherwise there is no logical progression. Secondly, as for the spec, as an upgrade to the D300s it will be DX, it'll have more than 12MP, better iso performance, and full HD video. Otherwise it's not an upgrade is it! Common sense would dictate it should be a reasonable increase in pixels so 18MP would be fairly logical, and realistic in comparison to competition i.e. canon. 6400iso, 7/8fps (possibly 8/9fps if processing and write speeds are up to it). CF and SD slots. It's all common sense really, if they produce anything less then it won't be an upgrade, and if they push much more then there will be too many technilogical compromises with noise, and there will be less room for upgrades in the future which makes no business sense! Is Zoetmb the only one speaking sense?

After the D300 comes the D400 not a D500, otherwise there is no logical progression.

Secondly, as for the spec, as an upgrade to the D300s it will be DX, it’ll have more than 12MP, better iso performance, and full HD video. Otherwise it’s not an upgrade is it!

Common sense would dictate it should be a reasonable increase in pixels so 18MP would be fairly logical, and realistic in comparison to competition i.e. canon. 6400iso, 7/8fps (possibly 8/9fps if processing and write speeds are up to it). CF and SD slots.

It’s all common sense really, if they produce anything less then it won’t be an upgrade, and if they push much more then there will be too many technilogical compromises with noise, and there will be less room for upgrades in the future which makes no business sense!

]]> By: Anonymous http://nikonrumors.com/2010/05/15/nikon-d500-rumor-from-russia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-66413 Anonymous Thu, 20 May 2010 21:19:00 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=11281#comment-66413 An important factor is also the compression format. If the H.264 format is used, compression rates can reach 1:50 in real world movies, whereas motion jpeg can yield around 1:20. The latter however being much less signal processing intensive. Video has much more compression potential because the difference from frame to frame is typically very small. Often only small segments of the frame need to be updated, and sophisticated compression algorithms take advantage of this. A decent artifact-free jpeg can be expected to be compressed to ca 1:10. So your figures are really much smaller. An important factor is also the compression format. If the H.264 format is used, compression rates can reach 1:50 in real world movies, whereas motion jpeg can yield around 1:20. The latter however being much less signal processing intensive.

Video has much more compression potential because the difference from frame to frame is typically very small. Often only small segments of the frame need to be updated, and sophisticated compression algorithms take advantage of this.

A decent artifact-free jpeg can be expected to be compressed to ca 1:10. So your figures are really much smaller.

]]> By: dave http://nikonrumors.com/2010/05/15/nikon-d500-rumor-from-russia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-66331 dave Wed, 19 May 2010 15:22:02 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=11281#comment-66331 Maybe the D400 is the 14MP low light DX monster and the D500 is the 20MP DX Canon ball buster? Maybe the D400 is the 14MP low light DX monster and the D500 is the 20MP DX Canon ball buster?

]]> By: [NR] admin http://nikonrumors.com/2010/05/15/nikon-d500-rumor-from-russia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-66254 [NR] admin Wed, 19 May 2010 02:09:20 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=11281#comment-66254 thanks, this rumor is a little bit confusing - it is now clear if all those data/specs are speculation of the photog. actually leaked them thanks, this rumor is a little bit confusing – it is now clear if all those data/specs are speculation of the photog. actually leaked them

]]> By: Greenwood_Geoff http://nikonrumors.com/2010/05/15/nikon-d500-rumor-from-russia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-66188 Greenwood_Geoff Tue, 18 May 2010 20:01:35 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=11281#comment-66188 14MP ... barf and no way they get my money for that measly bump in MP. If it isnt at least 18, I am not even remotely interested. 14MP … barf and no way they get my money for that measly bump in MP. If it isnt at least 18, I am not even remotely interested.

]]> By: charly-sats http://nikonrumors.com/2010/05/15/nikon-d500-rumor-from-russia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-66151 charly-sats Tue, 18 May 2010 18:21:32 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=11281#comment-66151 Attention! Rumors says about 20MP camera, but not about D300s successor. One of the post author's additional replies states that this camera is the successor of the D300s successor (D400, 14MP). Here's the link: http://community.livejournal.com/ru_d70/2369238.html?thread=64220886#t64220886 PS. I speak Russian. Attention! Rumors says about 20MP camera, but not about D300s successor.

One of the post author’s additional replies states that this camera is the successor of the D300s successor (D400, 14MP).
Here’s the link: http://community.livejournal.com/ru_d70/2369238.html?thread=64220886#t64220886

PS. I speak Russian.

]]> By: Leon http://nikonrumors.com/2010/05/15/nikon-d500-rumor-from-russia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-65982 Leon Mon, 17 May 2010 23:42:55 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=11281#comment-65982 Actually I am also getting the impression that the name D500 might be what the russian blogger came up with to name it somehow (unknown nikon camera is not a good search tag). He says (and later apologises for it) Igor was angry to see the guy trying to take his picture with the camera, also I checked the blog, the guy is from Kamchatka, and Igor loves to shoot bears there. Now he might have made the mistake of trusting a fellow local fotog (that ruined his nda), so far it seems plausible. Personally (my opinion only, based on the experience with the cams) I expect 2 successors, to D300s(is really too old a sensor) and D700 (good but subpar to D3s), based on the new sensors that nikon puts in D3x and D3s. And if I would go dreaming... my dream camera nikon has not made yet, but is getting close: F6 form factor (large prism like D3 with no vertical handle and no flash), at least 18 megapixel (even Leica does it :p), 1080p movie and D3s noise performance. Let it be the next D800 :) Actually I am also getting the impression that the name D500 might be what the russian blogger came up with to name it somehow (unknown nikon camera is not a good search tag). He says (and later apologises for it) Igor was angry to see the guy trying to take his picture with the camera, also I checked the blog, the guy is from Kamchatka, and Igor loves to shoot bears there. Now he might have made the mistake of trusting a fellow local fotog (that ruined his nda), so far it seems plausible.

Personally (my opinion only, based on the experience with the cams) I expect 2 successors, to D300s(is really too old a sensor) and D700 (good but subpar to D3s), based on the new sensors that nikon puts in D3x and D3s.
And if I would go dreaming… my dream camera nikon has not made yet, but is getting close:
F6 form factor (large prism like D3 with no vertical handle and no flash), at least 18 megapixel (even Leica does it :p), 1080p movie and D3s noise performance. Let it be the next D800 :)

]]> By: S-Q http://nikonrumors.com/2010/05/15/nikon-d500-rumor-from-russia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-65975 S-Q Mon, 17 May 2010 20:37:31 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=11281#comment-65975 To my mind, this camera is made of dreams! Why shoud Nikon place a D 500 in the market? Which camera would it replace? The D 300S? or the D 700? The replacement of the D 300S should be a D 400. It´s the camera being dicussed for over 20 month by now. But nothing happend! Wasn´t there already a D 400 presented in a RUSSIAN magazine in the end of 2008? This rumor was published at NR too, but it turned out to be wrong. A phantom camra, but not real. And I´m afraid the D 500 mentioned above will be the phantom following. There is nothing known about a 20 MP sensor in deveopment of Nikon or Sony. To my mind, Nikon will release their first camera with a DX-sensor of more than 12MP in 2nd half of 2010. Maybe on the Photokina. It will be Sony´s 14 MP sensor, augmented by Nikon´s great software. And I´m afraid, that 20 MP Nikon-sensor wouldn´t come out before 2015... Up to this date, I´ll keep on dreaming on this "russian" D 500 (but if it really became reality, I would by it; the sooner, the better!) To my mind, this camera is made of dreams!
Why shoud Nikon place a D 500 in the market? Which camera would it replace? The D 300S? or the D 700? The replacement of the D 300S should be a D 400. It´s the camera being dicussed for over 20 month by now. But nothing happend!
Wasn´t there already a D 400 presented in a RUSSIAN magazine in the end of 2008? This rumor was published at NR too, but it turned out to be wrong.
A phantom camra, but not real.
And I´m afraid the D 500 mentioned above will be the phantom following.
There is nothing known about a 20 MP sensor in deveopment of Nikon or Sony.
To my mind, Nikon will release their first camera with a DX-sensor of more than 12MP in 2nd half of 2010. Maybe on the Photokina. It will be Sony´s 14 MP sensor, augmented by Nikon´s great software.
And I´m afraid, that 20 MP Nikon-sensor wouldn´t come out before 2015…
Up to this date, I´ll keep on dreaming on this “russian” D 500 (but if it really became reality, I would by it; the sooner, the better!)

]]> By: Richard http://nikonrumors.com/2010/05/15/nikon-d500-rumor-from-russia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-65970 Richard Mon, 17 May 2010 17:40:11 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=11281#comment-65970 Peter, I think that the individual pixels write at pretty much the same speed. After that everything is about data processing and transmission. If there is a bottleneck at the sensor output, that is still a data transmission/processing issue. The entire data path is involved, not just the DSPs athough I do believe that there are inherent limitations in the DSP pipeline because every time we see a new generation of them the frame rate is improved. The current video trend is stressing both the data processing capability of the cameras and the heat tolerance of the sensors. Heat build up issues have been addressed to a large extent, but are probably not entirely resolved. Peter,

I think that the individual pixels write at pretty much the same speed. After that everything is about data processing and transmission. If there is a bottleneck at the sensor output, that is still a data transmission/processing issue. The entire data path is involved, not just the DSPs athough I do believe that there are inherent limitations in the DSP pipeline because every time we see a new generation of them the frame rate is improved.

The current video trend is stressing both the data processing capability of the cameras and the heat tolerance of the sensors. Heat build up issues have been addressed to a large extent, but are probably not entirely resolved.

]]> By: Lobaaaato http://nikonrumors.com/2010/05/15/nikon-d500-rumor-from-russia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-65968 Lobaaaato Mon, 17 May 2010 17:34:50 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=11281#comment-65968 Me too! Me too!

]]> By: gnohz http://nikonrumors.com/2010/05/15/nikon-d500-rumor-from-russia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-65955 gnohz Mon, 17 May 2010 14:57:18 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=11281#comment-65955 Thanks Leon! Great to hear that this would be the successor :D It'll be nice if ISO3200 is good enough for big prints. Thanks Leon! Great to hear that this would be the successor :D It’ll be nice if ISO3200 is good enough for big prints.

]]> By: Discontinued http://nikonrumors.com/2010/05/15/nikon-d500-rumor-from-russia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-65954 Discontinued Mon, 17 May 2010 14:40:09 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=11281#comment-65954 Thanx Leon. Thanx Leon.

]]> By: Leon http://nikonrumors.com/2010/05/15/nikon-d500-rumor-from-russia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-65952 Leon Mon, 17 May 2010 13:03:21 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=11281#comment-65952 Hi, I do speak russian, and the google translation of the 3200 iso comment that created so much excitement seems a little inaccurate - what the russian version really says is a very passing comment (that Igor might have dropped): - the sensitivity 3200 is quite workable and NOT - working sensitivity is 3200, so there is no comment on higher iso capability, just his feeling about this particular one. One might imply that it would be the last usable iso in his opinion, but there is always the point of being usable for what (2mx2m print, journal, blog ?) and what is he comparing to (D3s, D300, film ?). Also there is a little passage that suggests this would be the successor of the D300s. Hi,
I do speak russian, and the google translation of the 3200 iso comment that created so much excitement seems a little inaccurate – what the russian version really says is a very passing comment (that Igor might have dropped):
– the sensitivity 3200 is quite workable
and NOT – working sensitivity is 3200, so there is no comment on higher iso capability, just his feeling about this particular one. One might imply that it would be the last usable iso in his opinion, but there is always the point of being usable for what (2mx2m print, journal, blog ?) and what is he comparing to (D3s, D300, film ?).
Also there is a little passage that suggests this would be the successor of the D300s.

]]> By: roland http://nikonrumors.com/2010/05/15/nikon-d500-rumor-from-russia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-65947 roland Mon, 17 May 2010 11:48:02 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=11281#comment-65947 Why don't you just go camcorder? If you want to do motion pictures, there are already many, many options for you out there. Let Nicon focus on the quality of the stuff that are supposed to be in these camera bodys instead, ok? Why don’t you just go camcorder?
If you want to do motion pictures, there are already many, many options for you out there. Let Nicon focus on the quality of the stuff that are supposed to be in these camera bodys instead, ok?

]]> By: I Am Nikon http://nikonrumors.com/2010/05/15/nikon-d500-rumor-from-russia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-65945 I Am Nikon Mon, 17 May 2010 10:34:04 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=11281#comment-65945 working ISO 3200 probably means that it's ISO 3200 is as clean as ISO 400 on a D90/D300 and you can just set it to ISO 3200 without worrying about noise. ISO 6400 and above will be there. working ISO 3200 probably means that it’s ISO 3200 is as clean as ISO 400 on a D90/D300 and you can just set it to ISO 3200 without worrying about noise.

ISO 6400 and above will be there.

]]> By: I Am Nikon http://nikonrumors.com/2010/05/15/nikon-d500-rumor-from-russia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-65944 I Am Nikon Mon, 17 May 2010 10:32:55 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=11281#comment-65944 go to the other camp. noone is forcing you to stay here. go to the other camp.

noone is forcing you to stay here.

]]> By: kendoka http://nikonrumors.com/2010/05/15/nikon-d500-rumor-from-russia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-65943 kendoka Mon, 17 May 2010 10:05:21 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=11281#comment-65943 20MP crop sensor - I am satisfied with the current 12MP HD movie mode - whatever, not interested in film 10 frames per second - sounds way to high (although it would be great) single CF card slot - a D300 replacement? working ISO: 3200 - sounds way to low 20MP crop sensor – I am satisfied with the current 12MP
HD movie mode – whatever, not interested in film
10 frames per second – sounds way to high (although it would be great)
single CF card slot – a D300 replacement?
working ISO: 3200 – sounds way to low

]]> By: getanalogue http://nikonrumors.com/2010/05/15/nikon-d500-rumor-from-russia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-65939 getanalogue Mon, 17 May 2010 07:45:34 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=11281#comment-65939 if this camera rumor will become reality, I would buy it instantly, no matter whether it would be a D90 or D300s replacement. if this camera rumor will become reality, I would buy it instantly, no matter whether it would be a D90 or D300s replacement.

]]> By: Anonymous http://nikonrumors.com/2010/05/15/nikon-d500-rumor-from-russia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-65931 Anonymous Mon, 17 May 2010 02:07:13 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=11281#comment-65931 1080p is usually 24-30 fps. Unless it's high speed full HD. 1080p is usually 24-30 fps. Unless it’s high speed full HD.

]]> By: Micah http://nikonrumors.com/2010/05/15/nikon-d500-rumor-from-russia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-65925 Micah Sun, 16 May 2010 23:45:24 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=11281#comment-65925 Why do you assume they're not already pixel binning? In fact, if you notice, all the dslrs that do 1080 are the ones with 18+mp sensors. Sensor readout is definitely a limiting factor on some sensors. That's definitely the case with the D3x sensor. Sony rated the sensor at around 6fps when they first announced it. But I guess that's what I was saying in a round about way...the DSPs are not a limiting factor at the moment, and they're the easiest tech to upgrade from a tech standpoint. Why do you assume they’re not already pixel binning? In fact, if you notice, all the dslrs that do 1080 are the ones with 18+mp sensors.

Sensor readout is definitely a limiting factor on some sensors. That’s definitely the case with the D3x sensor. Sony rated the sensor at around 6fps when they first announced it. But I guess that’s what I was saying in a round about way…the DSPs are not a limiting factor at the moment, and they’re the easiest tech to upgrade from a tech standpoint.

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