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	<title>Comments on: Nikon D3s, 70-200 2.8 in stock now!</title>
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		<title>By: Cosmokanga2</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/25/nikon-d3s-in-stock-now.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-42098</link>
		<dc:creator>Cosmokanga2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lens and Shutter here in Vancouver Canda has gotten there 70-200s in. Going to pick it up today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lens and Shutter here in Vancouver Canda has gotten there 70-200s in. Going to pick it up today.</p>
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		<title>By: PHB</title>
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		<dc:creator>PHB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$1,500+ certainly looks like a professional price as far as I am concerned. In the film days the F5 cost circa $3K and would last you a minimum of ten years.

Given that the D1 came out only in 1999 and every DSR since has become practically obsolete within three years, it is pretty clear that the only people for whom the D3 makes any sense is folk who spend all day every day taking pictures for money, and even then only perhaps. 

The D3s is not aimed at people who own the D3, not as a replacement at any rate. Though I would think that most people who own a D3 who are thinking they need a second are probably more interested in a D3x. The target audience will be D700, D300 and D90 owners.

The D3s is simply a performance upgrade to the D3 to take advantage of the fact that VLSI chips have got faster since. The only group who might trade in a D3 for a D3s would be people who absolutely must have the best ISO response or the highest fps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$1,500+ certainly looks like a professional price as far as I am concerned. In the film days the F5 cost circa $3K and would last you a minimum of ten years.</p>
<p>Given that the D1 came out only in 1999 and every DSR since has become practically obsolete within three years, it is pretty clear that the only people for whom the D3 makes any sense is folk who spend all day every day taking pictures for money, and even then only perhaps. </p>
<p>The D3s is not aimed at people who own the D3, not as a replacement at any rate. Though I would think that most people who own a D3 who are thinking they need a second are probably more interested in a D3x. The target audience will be D700, D300 and D90 owners.</p>
<p>The D3s is simply a performance upgrade to the D3 to take advantage of the fact that VLSI chips have got faster since. The only group who might trade in a D3 for a D3s would be people who absolutely must have the best ISO response or the highest fps.</p>
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		<title>By: Canon Fanboi</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/25/nikon-d3s-in-stock-now.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-41375</link>
		<dc:creator>Canon Fanboi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canon lenses come in smaller boxes.

Nikon should bring out lenses that come in smaller boxes or they risk losing the entire camera market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canon lenses come in smaller boxes.</p>
<p>Nikon should bring out lenses that come in smaller boxes or they risk losing the entire camera market.</p>
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		<title>By: GlobalGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>GlobalGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until Nikon is doubling their PROFIT every year, they are not price gouging.  Insurance companies price gouge.  Nikon is just charging based on costs of materials and quality control and research and development and real estate and retaining its best employees, the cost of oil for transport and the cost of the inherent risk of Yen-Dollar-Euro, etc, exchange rates, etc, etc, with enough profit in there that a GOOD company deserves to have.  Now, it may be the case that the professional class cameras and lenses bear the burden for the cost of competing at the lower entry level class range -- but keep in mind, its also far less profitable than the point and shoot range.  So who is kidding who?  Why Nikon doesnt offer more of the &quot;simple features&quot; -- i dont know the answer to that.  Companies dont like to give away things for free.  Standardized freebies tend to pile up and get expensive fast.  I agree that there are some simple ones they can implement.  But lets not pretend that Nikon is evil.  They are just operating on sound financial fundamentals for a business they know quite well.  So far its working for them.  And its working for us.  Now, maybe the increase in competition should change things.  Maybe it SHOULD.  But we will have to write letters to Nikon, not to chat boards to push that view.  And it might help if you got a Japanese friend to help translate it for you.  If you did that, Nikon might start taking voices that make an effort seriously.  At least for some small things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until Nikon is doubling their PROFIT every year, they are not price gouging.  Insurance companies price gouge.  Nikon is just charging based on costs of materials and quality control and research and development and real estate and retaining its best employees, the cost of oil for transport and the cost of the inherent risk of Yen-Dollar-Euro, etc, exchange rates, etc, etc, with enough profit in there that a GOOD company deserves to have.  Now, it may be the case that the professional class cameras and lenses bear the burden for the cost of competing at the lower entry level class range &#8212; but keep in mind, its also far less profitable than the point and shoot range.  So who is kidding who?  Why Nikon doesnt offer more of the &#8220;simple features&#8221; &#8212; i dont know the answer to that.  Companies dont like to give away things for free.  Standardized freebies tend to pile up and get expensive fast.  I agree that there are some simple ones they can implement.  But lets not pretend that Nikon is evil.  They are just operating on sound financial fundamentals for a business they know quite well.  So far its working for them.  And its working for us.  Now, maybe the increase in competition should change things.  Maybe it SHOULD.  But we will have to write letters to Nikon, not to chat boards to push that view.  And it might help if you got a Japanese friend to help translate it for you.  If you did that, Nikon might start taking voices that make an effort seriously.  At least for some small things.</p>
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		<title>By: Bluecow003</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bluecow003</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Bing&#039;s cashback program is legit.  I got over $200 off my D700 when I ordered it in August from Calumet.  All you do is search for your item through Bing.com, click on the link to the item at the place you want, and before it loads the page it will say how much % cashback you&#039;ll be earning.  Then it goes into your Bing Cashback account for 90 days just so they can make sure you don&#039;t return the item.  After 90 days you get the cash in any method you prefer.  It actually works, I mean it&#039;s free money.  It applies on top of sales and other deals the merchant is already offering.  It&#039;s how I got my brand new D700 for $2000 in August.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Bing&#8217;s cashback program is legit.  I got over $200 off my D700 when I ordered it in August from Calumet.  All you do is search for your item through Bing.com, click on the link to the item at the place you want, and before it loads the page it will say how much % cashback you&#8217;ll be earning.  Then it goes into your Bing Cashback account for 90 days just so they can make sure you don&#8217;t return the item.  After 90 days you get the cash in any method you prefer.  It actually works, I mean it&#8217;s free money.  It applies on top of sales and other deals the merchant is already offering.  It&#8217;s how I got my brand new D700 for $2000 in August.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UPS Ground is shut down until Monday. Anyone like me who choose that delivery method can forget about checking UPS tracking. The trucks will not be in transit on Nov 26, 27, 28 or 29. As usual they refuse move on the weekend, unlike Fedex ground and even the post office. My D3S arrived in Chelmsford, Mass at 5:36 am Thursday morning and won&#039;t begin the three hour drive remaining to get to me until about the same time Monday morning. Four more days to wait thanks to our &quot;friends&quot; the Teamsters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UPS Ground is shut down until Monday. Anyone like me who choose that delivery method can forget about checking UPS tracking. The trucks will not be in transit on Nov 26, 27, 28 or 29. As usual they refuse move on the weekend, unlike Fedex ground and even the post office. My D3S arrived in Chelmsford, Mass at 5:36 am Thursday morning and won&#8217;t begin the three hour drive remaining to get to me until about the same time Monday morning. Four more days to wait thanks to our &#8220;friends&#8221; the Teamsters.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/25/nikon-d3s-in-stock-now.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-41355</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://compass.ups.com/uploadedFiles/2009_UPS_PEAK_SEASON.pdf</description>
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		<title>By: zen-tao</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/25/nikon-d3s-in-stock-now.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-41352</link>
		<dc:creator>zen-tao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The life is too hard my dear...
Nikon prices are not real . Are just market prices.
 I can´t understand why with a little more features a Nikon camera is worth more than double than his next prosecutor (Canon for example) let go and see what cameras are used in sports, press, etct. Most of  them have the withe lenses, Why? To be a professional doesn&#039;t mean squandering money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The life is too hard my dear&#8230;<br />
Nikon prices are not real . Are just market prices.<br />
 I can´t understand why with a little more features a Nikon camera is worth more than double than his next prosecutor (Canon for example) let go and see what cameras are used in sports, press, etct. Most of  them have the withe lenses, Why? To be a professional doesn&#8217;t mean squandering money.</p>
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		<title>By: GlobalGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>GlobalGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.  Nikon sells consumer cameras, not professional cameras.  What the consumer does with it is their own business.  Nikon sells the D3x, if thats not what you want, they have the D3s, if thats not what you want, they have the D700, if thats not what you want they have the D300s, if thats not what you want, they have the D90.

You could buy the Hubble Telescope if you&#039;d like, but even NASA is replacing that with an upgrade pretty soon.  &quot;When is NASA gonna provide us with the telescopes a professional nation demands!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  Nikon sells consumer cameras, not professional cameras.  What the consumer does with it is their own business.  Nikon sells the D3x, if thats not what you want, they have the D3s, if thats not what you want, they have the D700, if thats not what you want they have the D300s, if thats not what you want, they have the D90.</p>
<p>You could buy the Hubble Telescope if you&#8217;d like, but even NASA is replacing that with an upgrade pretty soon.  &#8220;When is NASA gonna provide us with the telescopes a professional nation demands!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: low</title>
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		<dc:creator>low</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 07:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i thought this is what all of us landscape whiners, err..i mean photographers; were crying about?  even though a 80-200 wouldve worked just as good, lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i thought this is what all of us landscape whiners, err..i mean photographers; were crying about?  even though a 80-200 wouldve worked just as good, lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/25/nikon-d3s-in-stock-now.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-41347</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 06:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, here&#039;s a link to the fine print on this deal. It&#039;s Bing.com not B&amp;H specifically. Bing.com is apparently owned by Microsoft, who I would not trust as far as I could throw them. Sorry about my rant above, I should have checked first. It didn&#039;t make sense that B&amp;H would do this, and now that I see all the loopholes, it&#039;s riduculous.

http://help.live.com/help.aspx?mkt=en-us&amp;project=tou&amp;querytype=topic&amp;query=TOU_CONC_WLSearchCashback.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, here&#8217;s a link to the fine print on this deal. It&#8217;s Bing.com not B&amp;H specifically. Bing.com is apparently owned by Microsoft, who I would not trust as far as I could throw them. Sorry about my rant above, I should have checked first. It didn&#8217;t make sense that B&amp;H would do this, and now that I see all the loopholes, it&#8217;s riduculous.</p>
<p><a href="http://help.live.com/help.aspx?mkt=en-us&#038;project=tou&#038;querytype=topic&#038;query=TOU_CONC_WLSearchCashback.htm" rel="nofollow">http://help.live.com/help.aspx?mkt=en-us&#038;project=tou&#038;querytype=topic&#038;query=TOU_CONC_WLSearchCashback.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I can&#039;t find this deal anywhere on B&amp;H&#039;s site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I can&#8217;t find this deal anywhere on B&amp;H&#8217;s site.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So those of us who gave B&amp;H our money two weeks ago when we pre-ordered a D3S or 70-200mm lens, are shut out of $500 or $250 of savings? They have been making interest on my five grand all that time since they charged my card. My new camera won&#039;t be delivered until next week sometime because UPS truck drivers are taking the long weekend off, and now this?

So let me get this strait, if I had waited to order my D3S until tomorrow, Friday, and paid for Next day shipping with part of the $500 I would have saved, I would be getting my camera on Monday, a day before I&#039;m scheduled to get it now by ground with no savings? Is this really true?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So those of us who gave B&amp;H our money two weeks ago when we pre-ordered a D3S or 70-200mm lens, are shut out of $500 or $250 of savings? They have been making interest on my five grand all that time since they charged my card. My new camera won&#8217;t be delivered until next week sometime because UPS truck drivers are taking the long weekend off, and now this?</p>
<p>So let me get this strait, if I had waited to order my D3S until tomorrow, Friday, and paid for Next day shipping with part of the $500 I would have saved, I would be getting my camera on Monday, a day before I&#8217;m scheduled to get it now by ground with no savings? Is this really true?</p>
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		<title>By: deals</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/25/nikon-d3s-in-stock-now.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-41341</link>
		<dc:creator>deals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>B&amp;H has 10% back on everything. Go to Cashback and type: &quot;70-200mm&quot;...on the right hand side you will see:

Buy 70*200Mm @B&amp;H Photo
&gt;10% TILL NOON&lt; on 70*200Mm Save on Cameras, Video, Audio, Computers
BHPhotoVideo.com/70*200Mm_Sale
Bing cashback

Not sure what the &quot;TILL NOON&quot; part is about but I just purchased the Nikon 70-200 VR II.

Once I clicked the link, it took me to the page just before B&amp;H and it said &quot;Your purchase during this visit to B&amp;H Photo-Video will earn you 10% cashback.&quot;

I guess it works for anything you buy and B&amp;H. I did it about an hour ago but am still waiting for the confirmation from Bing.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B&amp;H has 10% back on everything. Go to Cashback and type: &#8220;70-200mm&#8221;&#8230;on the right hand side you will see:</p>
<p>Buy 70*200Mm @B&amp;H Photo<br />
&gt;10% TILL NOON&lt; on 70*200Mm Save on Cameras, Video, Audio, Computers<br />
BHPhotoVideo.com/70*200Mm_Sale<br />
Bing cashback</p>
<p>Not sure what the &quot;TILL NOON&quot; part is about but I just purchased the Nikon 70-200 VR II.</p>
<p>Once I clicked the link, it took me to the page just before B&amp;H and it said &quot;Your purchase during this visit to B&amp;H Photo-Video will earn you 10% cashback.&quot;</p>
<p>I guess it works for anything you buy and B&amp;H. I did it about an hour ago but am still waiting for the confirmation from Bing.com.</p>
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		<title>By: M!</title>
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		<dc:creator>M!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t quite understand these &quot;professional&quot; photographers trying to get &quot;affordable&quot; cameras.  doesn&#039;t seem to be in line with the business as a professional photographer, unless you charge your clients affordable prices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t quite understand these &#8220;professional&#8221; photographers trying to get &#8220;affordable&#8221; cameras.  doesn&#8217;t seem to be in line with the business as a professional photographer, unless you charge your clients affordable prices.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/25/nikon-d3s-in-stock-now.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-41323</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is how you know we have a bunch of ignorant noobs in here</description>
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		<title>By: yrsued</title>
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		<dc:creator>yrsued</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a lens and a D3s coming tomorrow (Friday) from Roberts Imaging, NPS membership has it&#039;s Privileges</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a lens and a D3s coming tomorrow (Friday) from Roberts Imaging, NPS membership has it&#8217;s Privileges</p>
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		<title>By: Jabs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jabs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You folks are NUTS!
LOL!

Seems like the new 70-200 has driven ya all nuts with happiness.
Love makes you giddy and stupid, eh?
Next, someone will probably write a poem of love to this lens!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You folks are NUTS!<br />
LOL!</p>
<p>Seems like the new 70-200 has driven ya all nuts with happiness.<br />
Love makes you giddy and stupid, eh?<br />
Next, someone will probably write a poem of love to this lens!</p>
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		<title>By: Kwartjuh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kwartjuh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woah! Gotta love Nikon! First their support for a 30-year old mechanically outdated lens mount, and now this! Go Nikon! :P</description>
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		<title>By: Kuri</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/25/nikon-d3s-in-stock-now.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-41305</link>
		<dc:creator>Kuri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s a new feature, a lens hood rotating ring, to get that old school vignetting feel from the previous 70-200/2.8 back if you miss it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s a new feature, a lens hood rotating ring, to get that old school vignetting feel from the previous 70-200/2.8 back if you miss it.</p>
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