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		<title>By: PHB</title>
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		<dc:creator>PHB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the sentiments, but the 18-200 has sold 1.7 million and sells for $500-$600. I would suggest that it is far and away the biggest revenue maker, just as the D90 is the biggest earning camera body.

The most money is usually to be made at the sweet spot where you get big enough economies of scale to make money but can still charge a premium.

Oddly enough, cheap lenses tend to have far fewer manufacturing defects than small volume, hand built lenses. There will always be someone looking at the 18-200 and working out if they can tweak it a little by applying the latest manufacturing technique. 

Nikon has sold about 4000 DC lenses since 2006. That is $5 million retail, If we assume that the raw materials and manufacturing costs $200 per lens and that the factory gate price is half that of the retail, that leaves $400 per lens to recoup the design costs, $1.6 million total.

I very much doubt that there is any profit after the design costs are sunk. But it might well be worth someone&#039;s while to take the AF design and work out how to fit an AFS motor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the sentiments, but the 18-200 has sold 1.7 million and sells for $500-$600. I would suggest that it is far and away the biggest revenue maker, just as the D90 is the biggest earning camera body.</p>
<p>The most money is usually to be made at the sweet spot where you get big enough economies of scale to make money but can still charge a premium.</p>
<p>Oddly enough, cheap lenses tend to have far fewer manufacturing defects than small volume, hand built lenses. There will always be someone looking at the 18-200 and working out if they can tweak it a little by applying the latest manufacturing technique. </p>
<p>Nikon has sold about 4000 DC lenses since 2006. That is $5 million retail, If we assume that the raw materials and manufacturing costs $200 per lens and that the factory gate price is half that of the retail, that leaves $400 per lens to recoup the design costs, $1.6 million total.</p>
<p>I very much doubt that there is any profit after the design costs are sunk. But it might well be worth someone&#8217;s while to take the AF design and work out how to fit an AFS motor.</p>
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		<title>By: PHB</title>
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		<dc:creator>PHB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Zograph

All the articles I have read on the use of the lens tell me that it IS about the bokeh. Bokeh is the look of out of focus areas, that is what defocus control is about.

You control the size of the circles of confusion with the aperture, just as you do on every other lens. The difference is that you can choose whether you have the poor bokeh in front and the good behind or vice versa.

Most lenses have bad or poor bokeh throughout. Some have neutral. A tiny number have great bokeh, almost always behind the focal point. 

The party trick with this lens is that you can have great bokeh in front of and behind the focal point by setting the good bokeh to the foreground and shooting against an already diffuse backdrop. 

There is however one other way that you can do the same thing without an expensive lens at all. But it requires a lot of custom software. You take two sets of shots. The first is a shot of your subject in focus with a wide aperture as per normal. Then you capture the entire scene with a narrow aperture (multiple shots if necessary). This is the reference frame.

Then in software you take the shots and use the reference frame to isolate the in-focus portions of the shot and subtract them out onto another layer. Finally you fuzz up the reference frame using filter with perfect bokeh and add it to the picture under the focus layer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Zograph</p>
<p>All the articles I have read on the use of the lens tell me that it IS about the bokeh. Bokeh is the look of out of focus areas, that is what defocus control is about.</p>
<p>You control the size of the circles of confusion with the aperture, just as you do on every other lens. The difference is that you can choose whether you have the poor bokeh in front and the good behind or vice versa.</p>
<p>Most lenses have bad or poor bokeh throughout. Some have neutral. A tiny number have great bokeh, almost always behind the focal point. </p>
<p>The party trick with this lens is that you can have great bokeh in front of and behind the focal point by setting the good bokeh to the foreground and shooting against an already diffuse backdrop. </p>
<p>There is however one other way that you can do the same thing without an expensive lens at all. But it requires a lot of custom software. You take two sets of shots. The first is a shot of your subject in focus with a wide aperture as per normal. Then you capture the entire scene with a narrow aperture (multiple shots if necessary). This is the reference frame.</p>
<p>Then in software you take the shots and use the reference frame to isolate the in-focus portions of the shot and subtract them out onto another layer. Finally you fuzz up the reference frame using filter with perfect bokeh and add it to the picture under the focus layer.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikon man</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/22/new-nikon-lenses-in-december.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-41035</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikon man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He said he knows of a about a half dozen lenses that are expected over the next 9 months or so. Reading between the lines, these seem to be the following:

24/1.4
35/1.4
85/1.4 update
DC update
80-400 replacement</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He said he knows of a about a half dozen lenses that are expected over the next 9 months or so. Reading between the lines, these seem to be the following:</p>
<p>24/1.4<br />
35/1.4<br />
85/1.4 update<br />
DC update<br />
80-400 replacement</p>
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		<title>By: Nikon man</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/22/new-nikon-lenses-in-december.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-41034</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikon man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>read thom hogan&#039;s latest update. he hints toward a possible new DC lens soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>read thom hogan&#8217;s latest update. he hints toward a possible new DC lens soon.</p>
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		<title>By: BillyBobJohnson</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/22/new-nikon-lenses-in-december.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-41033</link>
		<dc:creator>BillyBobJohnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Half-a-cow heavy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Half-a-cow heavy.</p>
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		<title>By: BillyBobJohnson</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/22/new-nikon-lenses-in-december.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-41032</link>
		<dc:creator>BillyBobJohnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love my 200/2.</description>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/22/new-nikon-lenses-in-december.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-41030</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A 21mm f/1.4 would be awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A 21mm f/1.4 would be awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/22/new-nikon-lenses-in-december.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-41027</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please... let&#039;s get the lenses that are missing from line up before we refresh any more lenses.  a 24 f1.4 and a 35 f1.4. are desperately needed.  Then, refresh the 135 f2 and the 85 f1.4.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please&#8230; let&#8217;s get the lenses that are missing from line up before we refresh any more lenses.  a 24 f1.4 and a 35 f1.4. are desperately needed.  Then, refresh the 135 f2 and the 85 f1.4.</p>
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		<title>By: Cesar</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/22/new-nikon-lenses-in-december.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-41025</link>
		<dc:creator>Cesar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, Nikon, drop the DC feature if it lowers the price. Who needs it anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, Nikon, drop the DC feature if it lowers the price. Who needs it anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: Cesar</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/22/new-nikon-lenses-in-december.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-41024</link>
		<dc:creator>Cesar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No YOU need em, Nikon doesn&#039;t &quot;need&quot; them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No YOU need em, Nikon doesn&#8217;t &#8220;need&#8221; them.</p>
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		<title>By: WoutK89</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/22/new-nikon-lenses-in-december.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-41020</link>
		<dc:creator>WoutK89</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you didnt read well, I said Nikon will say if you NEED 105 now, they will tell you to go with the micro, I am not implying they serve the same purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you didnt read well, I said Nikon will say if you NEED 105 now, they will tell you to go with the micro, I am not implying they serve the same purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: Worminator</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/22/new-nikon-lenses-in-december.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-41016</link>
		<dc:creator>Worminator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He means that a D700 is too large and heavy to be comfortable to carry in casual situations, and adding a large and heavy zoom lens would make it even worse.

walkaround : implying casual photography mixed up with other leisure activity, that carrying 2kg of camera might make less enjoyable...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He means that a D700 is too large and heavy to be comfortable to carry in casual situations, and adding a large and heavy zoom lens would make it even worse.</p>
<p>walkaround : implying casual photography mixed up with other leisure activity, that carrying 2kg of camera might make less enjoyable&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous1</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/22/new-nikon-lenses-in-december.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-41015</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear hear, a 24 - 120 mm VR zoom, please! I don&#039;t even care whether it is f/4 or f/2 or whatever. There is nothing in this range from Nikon at all. Well, nothing usable, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear hear, a 24 &#8211; 120 mm VR zoom, please! I don&#8217;t even care whether it is f/4 or f/2 or whatever. There is nothing in this range from Nikon at all. Well, nothing usable, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Fotograf Stuttgart</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/22/new-nikon-lenses-in-december.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-41010</link>
		<dc:creator>Fotograf Stuttgart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>micro is by far not same class as 105DC or 85 1.4 and is only 2.8. Too slow for 105mm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>micro is by far not same class as 105DC or 85 1.4 and is only 2.8. Too slow for 105mm</p>
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		<title>By: Zograf</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/22/new-nikon-lenses-in-december.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-41006</link>
		<dc:creator>Zograf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not the bokeh, it is the defocusing what makes this lens great (or interesting). That&#039;s why it is called defocusing control not bokeh control. Defocusing gives a dreamy like image which is impossible with a diffuse filter or, post processing..
Defocusing is under, or overcompensation of spherical abberation leading to the side effect of doughnut  shape or bell shape bokeh.

In 1936 Zeiss engineers created a landmark in lens design - the &quot;Olympic&quot; Sonnar. By choosing carefully spherical abberation compensation in such a way the lens had constant image quality at f/2.8 down to f/8, f/11. What is special for this design is  Zeiss engineers had chosen to optimise the wide open performance of this lens, thus creating as a side effect the gorgeous bokeh the Sonnar gives.

DC Nikkors are about spherical abberation control giving additional creativity these lenses are used for (e.g. portraiture), one side effect of which is the bokeh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not the bokeh, it is the defocusing what makes this lens great (or interesting). That&#8217;s why it is called defocusing control not bokeh control. Defocusing gives a dreamy like image which is impossible with a diffuse filter or, post processing..<br />
Defocusing is under, or overcompensation of spherical abberation leading to the side effect of doughnut  shape or bell shape bokeh.</p>
<p>In 1936 Zeiss engineers created a landmark in lens design &#8211; the &#8220;Olympic&#8221; Sonnar. By choosing carefully spherical abberation compensation in such a way the lens had constant image quality at f/2.8 down to f/8, f/11. What is special for this design is  Zeiss engineers had chosen to optimise the wide open performance of this lens, thus creating as a side effect the gorgeous bokeh the Sonnar gives.</p>
<p>DC Nikkors are about spherical abberation control giving additional creativity these lenses are used for (e.g. portraiture), one side effect of which is the bokeh.</p>
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		<title>By: PHB</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/22/new-nikon-lenses-in-december.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-41000</link>
		<dc:creator>PHB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t get me wrong, the ability to control bokeh really does demonstrate amazing skill on the part of the Nikon engineers.

But I still don&#039;t see what is so wrong with having a design that gives good bokeh behind the focal point and use the aperture setting to decide how much depth of field you want.

If DC is so great, then why aren&#039;t sales stronger? I am pretty sure that an f/1.4 prime would sell rather more than a DC replacement at f/2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, the ability to control bokeh really does demonstrate amazing skill on the part of the Nikon engineers.</p>
<p>But I still don&#8217;t see what is so wrong with having a design that gives good bokeh behind the focal point and use the aperture setting to decide how much depth of field you want.</p>
<p>If DC is so great, then why aren&#8217;t sales stronger? I am pretty sure that an f/1.4 prime would sell rather more than a DC replacement at f/2.</p>
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		<title>By: blah</title>
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		<dc:creator>blah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; I am somewhat puzzled by the DC feature, is it an adjustment that makes sense? Would it be better to have great bokeh than an adjustable scale from bad to good?

Do you imagine that there&#039;s an all-purpose &quot;great&quot; setting on the lens for all circumstances?  You seem much smarter than Nikon&#039;s engineers.

Also, why does my camera have P/S/A/M modes?  They should just have P for &#039;Professional&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; I am somewhat puzzled by the DC feature, is it an adjustment that makes sense? Would it be better to have great bokeh than an adjustable scale from bad to good?</p>
<p>Do you imagine that there&#8217;s an all-purpose &#8220;great&#8221; setting on the lens for all circumstances?  You seem much smarter than Nikon&#8217;s engineers.</p>
<p>Also, why does my camera have P/S/A/M modes?  They should just have P for &#8216;Professional&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: TWoK</title>
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		<dc:creator>TWoK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While this is one of the MANY lenses that needs an update. NIKON NEEDS FAST WIDES!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While this is one of the MANY lenses that needs an update. NIKON NEEDS FAST WIDES!</p>
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		<title>By: Nau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-70 just doesnt do it for me ... 24-85 is the only one  I can hope for at this stage 

using old version of it as travel lens but its jsut not performing well enf to be all around lens</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>-70 just doesnt do it for me &#8230; 24-85 is the only one  I can hope for at this stage </p>
<p>using old version of it as travel lens but its jsut not performing well enf to be all around lens</p>
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		<title>By: WoutK89</title>
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		<dc:creator>WoutK89</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or never coming at all :-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or never coming at all <img src='http://nikonrumors.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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