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	<title>Comments on: Nikon D3s has a brand new sensor, not a tweaked one</title>
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		<title>By: rhodium</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhodium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canon is the only brand still stuck in its own imaginary MP war. Just look at the 1D Mk IV and the 7D. Cramming more pixels into the same sensor is just going to introduce noise (or noise reduction artifacts) and show the flaws in your lens.

Nikon, being far wiser, has stayed at 12 MP, and has instead focused on improving the quality of their pixels (dynamic range, colour rendition, ISO performance etc.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canon is the only brand still stuck in its own imaginary MP war. Just look at the 1D Mk IV and the 7D. Cramming more pixels into the same sensor is just going to introduce noise (or noise reduction artifacts) and show the flaws in your lens.</p>
<p>Nikon, being far wiser, has stayed at 12 MP, and has instead focused on improving the quality of their pixels (dynamic range, colour rendition, ISO performance etc.).</p>
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		<title>By: rhodium</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhodium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For studio photographers and the like (who need to print tack sharp banner-sized images that go up to a few feet on each side), yes, MP is a factor in deciding what camera to buy. Photojournalists, sports photographers and associated acts will prefer the low-light capabilities of the D3s (currently the best on the market, even better than the 1D Mk IV) over high resolution cameras. 12 MP is more than enough for their needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For studio photographers and the like (who need to print tack sharp banner-sized images that go up to a few feet on each side), yes, MP is a factor in deciding what camera to buy. Photojournalists, sports photographers and associated acts will prefer the low-light capabilities of the D3s (currently the best on the market, even better than the 1D Mk IV) over high resolution cameras. 12 MP is more than enough for their needs.</p>
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		<title>By: rhodium</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhodium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe what they reworked wasn&#039;t the sensor itself, but the microlens array. I recall reading that somewhere, but I can&#039;t seem to find it now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe what they reworked wasn&#8217;t the sensor itself, but the microlens array. I recall reading that somewhere, but I can&#8217;t seem to find it now.</p>
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		<title>By: 3space</title>
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		<dc:creator>3space</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in the end you will see nikon did the right thing by staying 12 MP. The photosites  are almost twice the size of the mark4. The proof will be in the image.... I also thank its smart to stay with a consistent form factor. Just like apple, start with a good foundation... don&#039;t fix what is broken; don&#039;t change just to change 

As for canon&#039;s 1080p video... well it looks like its actually only resolves to 720... so again canon chases marketing numbers above image quality... in effect they have taken 720 video and wraped it in a 1080p format... great for marketing... 

If the D3s delivers true 720 video format aside from the marketing hype the D3s will prove to be a better camera then 1Dmk4. 


http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=37975</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in the end you will see nikon did the right thing by staying 12 MP. The photosites  are almost twice the size of the mark4. The proof will be in the image&#8230;. I also thank its smart to stay with a consistent form factor. Just like apple, start with a good foundation&#8230; don&#8217;t fix what is broken; don&#8217;t change just to change </p>
<p>As for canon&#8217;s 1080p video&#8230; well it looks like its actually only resolves to 720&#8230; so again canon chases marketing numbers above image quality&#8230; in effect they have taken 720 video and wraped it in a 1080p format&#8230; great for marketing&#8230; </p>
<p>If the D3s delivers true 720 video format aside from the marketing hype the D3s will prove to be a better camera then 1Dmk4. </p>
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		<title>By: zen-tao</title>
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		<dc:creator>zen-tao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if there are any sensor interchangeable between different models. there must be a lot of technical specks that may make that operation very difficult. who knows there are genius for everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if there are any sensor interchangeable between different models. there must be a lot of technical specks that may make that operation very difficult. who knows there are genius for everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Ernst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ernst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What else would you call it?  The D3s is still fundamentally a D3, as is the D3x.  Same case, same mechanics, same interface, same optics, and damned near the same electronics.  A &quot;brand new&quot; (whatever that means) sensor with the same resolution in what is fundamentally the same camera definitely qualifies as an &quot;s&quot; upgrade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What else would you call it?  The D3s is still fundamentally a D3, as is the D3x.  Same case, same mechanics, same interface, same optics, and damned near the same electronics.  A &#8220;brand new&#8221; (whatever that means) sensor with the same resolution in what is fundamentally the same camera definitely qualifies as an &#8220;s&#8221; upgrade.</p>
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		<title>By: Ernst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ernst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop.

Everyone in this thread is arguing over &quot;brand new&quot; versus &quot;tweaked&quot; as though these terms mean something.  Exactly how small of a design change qualifies as &quot;tweaked?&quot;

ANY change to ANY mask gets a new part number and can rightfully be described as &quot;brand new.&quot;  And if we count the whole package as the &quot;sensor,&quot; the same could even be said of changes made to the microlenses or color filters.

In other words, if you can&#039;t plug a D3 sensor into a D3s and get identical results, the D3s sensor can be said to be &quot;brand new.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop.</p>
<p>Everyone in this thread is arguing over &#8220;brand new&#8221; versus &#8220;tweaked&#8221; as though these terms mean something.  Exactly how small of a design change qualifies as &#8220;tweaked?&#8221;</p>
<p>ANY change to ANY mask gets a new part number and can rightfully be described as &#8220;brand new.&#8221;  And if we count the whole package as the &#8220;sensor,&#8221; the same could even be said of changes made to the microlenses or color filters.</p>
<p>In other words, if you can&#8217;t plug a D3 sensor into a D3s and get identical results, the D3s sensor can be said to be &#8220;brand new.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ernst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ernst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How on earth can either of you claim to know that?  References, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How on earth can either of you claim to know that?  References, please.</p>
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		<title>By: Blackbeard Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blackbeard Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe, just maybe, it&#039;s because Canon owns the P&amp;S market - meaning that they ship out millions more cameras at nice profit margins.

Now certainly raw megapixel count (or video res) is a factor for many buyers - especially those easily bought by advertising or a salesman&#039;s pitch.  Canon certainly has an advantage there.

But, the numbers don&#039;t lie.  This is the division of DSLR (i.e. not including point-and-shoot) market share in Japan for 2008:

http://hierophyte.blogspot.com/2009/01/canon-and-nikon-tops-market-share.html

A lot has changed since then - new cameras, most of another year has gone by - and of course that only shows sales in Japan.  But, considering the importance of Japan in camera sales (and Thom Hogan&#039;s musings on market share),  the overall numbers worldwide are similar.

2009 doesn&#039;t look to be nearly as good a year for any camera maker, and Nikon has probably lost a little market share as a result of the minimal changes to its lineup.  The new lower end Nikon bodies appear to be a bit weak to me, but so do the Canon offerings.   Both companies use older cameras in the entry price segment as the lowest cost option, although it may just be old stock that is sold until all the cameras are out of their warehouses.  Both companies have a decent hierarchy of bodies, with every level competing fairly effectively with each other.  I would say Canon has a slight advantage on paper (specs vs. price as the consumer is concerned), but the Nikon rebates going on right now probably bring things a bit closer.

Above entry-level, Nikon and Canon diverge a little with their target markets so they&#039;re not nearly as comparable.  Those don&#039;t really matter nearly as much though, because as you can see from the individual camera market share division, almost 60% of total DSLR sales are just Nikon and Canon&#039;s entry level bodies.  Given a 39% market share each, that means that over 75% of DSLR sales from each company are at the entry level!  Now, higher level bodies are still vitally important in terms of overall business strategy for both companies.  People buy in to both systems with the express possibility of moving up to bigger and better cameras, even if they don&#039;t think they will right away.  The &quot;halo&quot; effect of having professional level bodies and lenses goes a long way towards increasing entry level bodies.

Well, I could go on for forever but I think I&#039;ll leave it at that.  Remember, Nikon is a dedicated lens and camera manufacturer rather than a large electronics company like Canon.  Performance of their camera division is essential for their survival as a business, and they know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe, just maybe, it&#8217;s because Canon owns the P&amp;S market &#8211; meaning that they ship out millions more cameras at nice profit margins.</p>
<p>Now certainly raw megapixel count (or video res) is a factor for many buyers &#8211; especially those easily bought by advertising or a salesman&#8217;s pitch.  Canon certainly has an advantage there.</p>
<p>But, the numbers don&#8217;t lie.  This is the division of DSLR (i.e. not including point-and-shoot) market share in Japan for 2008:</p>
<p><a href="http://hierophyte.blogspot.com/2009/01/canon-and-nikon-tops-market-share.html" rel="nofollow">http://hierophyte.blogspot.com/2009/01/canon-and-nikon-tops-market-share.html</a></p>
<p>A lot has changed since then &#8211; new cameras, most of another year has gone by &#8211; and of course that only shows sales in Japan.  But, considering the importance of Japan in camera sales (and Thom Hogan&#8217;s musings on market share),  the overall numbers worldwide are similar.</p>
<p>2009 doesn&#8217;t look to be nearly as good a year for any camera maker, and Nikon has probably lost a little market share as a result of the minimal changes to its lineup.  The new lower end Nikon bodies appear to be a bit weak to me, but so do the Canon offerings.   Both companies use older cameras in the entry price segment as the lowest cost option, although it may just be old stock that is sold until all the cameras are out of their warehouses.  Both companies have a decent hierarchy of bodies, with every level competing fairly effectively with each other.  I would say Canon has a slight advantage on paper (specs vs. price as the consumer is concerned), but the Nikon rebates going on right now probably bring things a bit closer.</p>
<p>Above entry-level, Nikon and Canon diverge a little with their target markets so they&#8217;re not nearly as comparable.  Those don&#8217;t really matter nearly as much though, because as you can see from the individual camera market share division, almost 60% of total DSLR sales are just Nikon and Canon&#8217;s entry level bodies.  Given a 39% market share each, that means that over 75% of DSLR sales from each company are at the entry level!  Now, higher level bodies are still vitally important in terms of overall business strategy for both companies.  People buy in to both systems with the express possibility of moving up to bigger and better cameras, even if they don&#8217;t think they will right away.  The &#8220;halo&#8221; effect of having professional level bodies and lenses goes a long way towards increasing entry level bodies.</p>
<p>Well, I could go on for forever but I think I&#8217;ll leave it at that.  Remember, Nikon is a dedicated lens and camera manufacturer rather than a large electronics company like Canon.  Performance of their camera division is essential for their survival as a business, and they know it.</p>
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		<title>By: PHB</title>
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		<dc:creator>PHB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Black Wafer allegedly improves response by an order of magnitude - but in the Infra-Red domain :-(

Gains in the visible light spectrum are much smaller. I have not done the math myself, but some folk claim that we are very close to the theoretical limit for ISO response. But then again, theoretical models tend to be based on assumptions that are not necessarily absolute constraints. Instead they identify the net part that needs a design around.

When I was in college the latest result showed that 64Kb ram chips were the absolute maximum possible due to induced soft alpha particle errors. That is not the case of course, we have much larger RAM chips today because they use techniques to compensate for alpha particle induced errors.

At the end of the day a DSLR lens is a heck of a lot larger than your eyeball and that has very little difficult seeing well under artificial light. So I think that there is a way to go yet.

But resolution and ISO are not the only things I think we should care about. I would much prefer an electronic shutter, and the ability to sync flash at any speed and to do pan shots in video to an extra ISO stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Black Wafer allegedly improves response by an order of magnitude &#8211; but in the Infra-Red domain <img src='http://nikonrumors.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Gains in the visible light spectrum are much smaller. I have not done the math myself, but some folk claim that we are very close to the theoretical limit for ISO response. But then again, theoretical models tend to be based on assumptions that are not necessarily absolute constraints. Instead they identify the net part that needs a design around.</p>
<p>When I was in college the latest result showed that 64Kb ram chips were the absolute maximum possible due to induced soft alpha particle errors. That is not the case of course, we have much larger RAM chips today because they use techniques to compensate for alpha particle induced errors.</p>
<p>At the end of the day a DSLR lens is a heck of a lot larger than your eyeball and that has very little difficult seeing well under artificial light. So I think that there is a way to go yet.</p>
<p>But resolution and ISO are not the only things I think we should care about. I would much prefer an electronic shutter, and the ability to sync flash at any speed and to do pan shots in video to an extra ISO stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Blackbeard Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blackbeard Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry - &quot;even photographers&quot; was supposed to be &quot;event photographers&quot;.</description>
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		<title>By: Blackbeard Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blackbeard Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For low light?  Have you ever shot events or sports indoors or at night?

For even double-page spreads on magazines, 12 MP is way more than any photographer needs for anything but major cropping - which means a different lens or framing should have been used anyway.  That&#039;s the biggest you&#039;ll see photos in publication, so for the majority of the target market (photojournalists and even photographers) it is enough.  Low noise however, is critical to remaining competitive in photojournalism.  A camera like the D3s actually allows photographers to take photos where they couldn&#039;t before - an enormous advantage in a highly competitive field.

And for those who really, really need more, the D3X is there as rkas mentioned.  Jobs that demand that kind of resolution are going to justify the cost of the camera - and ones that don&#039;t, won&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For low light?  Have you ever shot events or sports indoors or at night?</p>
<p>For even double-page spreads on magazines, 12 MP is way more than any photographer needs for anything but major cropping &#8211; which means a different lens or framing should have been used anyway.  That&#8217;s the biggest you&#8217;ll see photos in publication, so for the majority of the target market (photojournalists and even photographers) it is enough.  Low noise however, is critical to remaining competitive in photojournalism.  A camera like the D3s actually allows photographers to take photos where they couldn&#8217;t before &#8211; an enormous advantage in a highly competitive field.</p>
<p>And for those who really, really need more, the D3X is there as rkas mentioned.  Jobs that demand that kind of resolution are going to justify the cost of the camera &#8211; and ones that don&#8217;t, won&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Blackbeard Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blackbeard Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The catch is that the D3/D3s use a CMOS sensor, not a CCD.  Each pixel sensor on a CMOS chip has an amplifier built in to it (before the signal hits an off-chip amp), so any changes done to those amps would require new dies.  That would in itself qualify as a &quot;new&quot; sensor, as significant noise reduction could be done at this step by increasing the signal to noise ratio of those amplifiers.  In addition, if the amplifiers were downsized at all, it would leave more room for the actual light-sensitive part of each pixel - which again would lead to lower noise.  My guess is that both of these changes have been made to the new sensor, based on what has been said by Moose, Thom and others.  Again, these changes would require new dies, resulting in a new sensor in terms of both manufacturing and application.

Of course, there&#039;s certainly all sorts of other changes as well.  Micro-lens adjustments, filter optimization, more efficient amplifiers and ADCs, better noise processing, etc. are likely all done as well.  That&#039;s all off-sensor, of course.  I suspect that the biggest gains are to be had at the CMOS sensor though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The catch is that the D3/D3s use a CMOS sensor, not a CCD.  Each pixel sensor on a CMOS chip has an amplifier built in to it (before the signal hits an off-chip amp), so any changes done to those amps would require new dies.  That would in itself qualify as a &#8220;new&#8221; sensor, as significant noise reduction could be done at this step by increasing the signal to noise ratio of those amplifiers.  In addition, if the amplifiers were downsized at all, it would leave more room for the actual light-sensitive part of each pixel &#8211; which again would lead to lower noise.  My guess is that both of these changes have been made to the new sensor, based on what has been said by Moose, Thom and others.  Again, these changes would require new dies, resulting in a new sensor in terms of both manufacturing and application.</p>
<p>Of course, there&#8217;s certainly all sorts of other changes as well.  Micro-lens adjustments, filter optimization, more efficient amplifiers and ADCs, better noise processing, etc. are likely all done as well.  That&#8217;s all off-sensor, of course.  I suspect that the biggest gains are to be had at the CMOS sensor though.</p>
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		<title>By: zen-tao</title>
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		<dc:creator>zen-tao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In view of every remarks I&#039;ve read, It comes up to me tha this &quot;new&quot; sensor is tweaked one.
First.: If Nikon company would had developed a real new sensor the camera wouldn&#039;t had been called D3s but any other else.
Second.  This sensor have been tweaked to stand video performances. Not very outstanding ones. I wouldn&#039;t surprise if Nikon delivered a &quot;magic&quot; new firmware to update the video capabilities to 1080p as Canon did.
Conclusion. Quality means D3, D3x and, of course, D3s, D700 on the top of the brand&#039;s hill. It doesn&#039;t seem to be more in the long term. The rest is a smokescreen to feed roumors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In view of every remarks I&#8217;ve read, It comes up to me tha this &#8220;new&#8221; sensor is tweaked one.<br />
First.: If Nikon company would had developed a real new sensor the camera wouldn&#8217;t had been called D3s but any other else.<br />
Second.  This sensor have been tweaked to stand video performances. Not very outstanding ones. I wouldn&#8217;t surprise if Nikon delivered a &#8220;magic&#8221; new firmware to update the video capabilities to 1080p as Canon did.<br />
Conclusion. Quality means D3, D3x and, of course, D3s, D700 on the top of the brand&#8217;s hill. It doesn&#8217;t seem to be more in the long term. The rest is a smokescreen to feed roumors.</p>
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		<title>By: rkas</title>
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		<dc:creator>rkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your wrong, they all use the same sensor!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your wrong, they all use the same sensor!</p>
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		<title>By: rkas</title>
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		<dc:creator>rkas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then theyll just go for the D3X then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then theyll just go for the D3X then?</p>
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		<title>By: kaki</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what is the reason that nikon revenue on camera is less than canon? nikon slr is better built than canon and it looks good and working good as you said. only their problem is that they ignore or not realizing what normal people thinking. that is about mega pixel. they do not have to exceed their compatitors mega pixel count but they have to match it. If eveything same condition, what would you pick up for yourself. most people pick up the higher number od pixel count. that is the business, man! beside, as a 18 years professional, also 18 years nikon users, i need more mega pixel for my clients. don&#039;t you get it? now, you are the admin guy. don&#039;t you ever blaim anyone in this post. you know why, they making a web traffic for your site and you are making money out of it. plus, i am done with this site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what is the reason that nikon revenue on camera is less than canon? nikon slr is better built than canon and it looks good and working good as you said. only their problem is that they ignore or not realizing what normal people thinking. that is about mega pixel. they do not have to exceed their compatitors mega pixel count but they have to match it. If eveything same condition, what would you pick up for yourself. most people pick up the higher number od pixel count. that is the business, man! beside, as a 18 years professional, also 18 years nikon users, i need more mega pixel for my clients. don&#8217;t you get it? now, you are the admin guy. don&#8217;t you ever blaim anyone in this post. you know why, they making a web traffic for your site and you are making money out of it. plus, i am done with this site.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol, no they don&#039;t a crappy 20mp photo will still be beaten by a great 10mp photo.

And I think, you will be the very few rare breeds who complains bout the MP, many photographers are pretty darn happy with the ISO improvements and accepts that Nikon keep the MP count the same. Besides, if MP is so freaking important, there is the D3x.

So stop whining just cause you cant own a D3x.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol, no they don&#8217;t a crappy 20mp photo will still be beaten by a great 10mp photo.</p>
<p>And I think, you will be the very few rare breeds who complains bout the MP, many photographers are pretty darn happy with the ISO improvements and accepts that Nikon keep the MP count the same. Besides, if MP is so freaking important, there is the D3x.</p>
<p>So stop whining just cause you cant own a D3x.</p>
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		<title>By: Fotograf Stuttgart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fotograf Stuttgart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 05:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well D3x have better ISO performance and more megapixels than D3 and D3s. So there are reasons to want more.
Besides, for lot of stock guys, size matters most and those had to move to Sony (1 case) or back to Canon (3 cases in my surroundings)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well D3x have better ISO performance and more megapixels than D3 and D3s. So there are reasons to want more.<br />
Besides, for lot of stock guys, size matters most and those had to move to Sony (1 case) or back to Canon (3 cases in my surroundings)</p>
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		<title>By: longtimenikonshooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>longtimenikonshooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 05:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>let&#039;s face it, guys. you can keep your D3 and D700. just spend the money on lighting, then you can also get two-stops for much less than a new D3s. of course, if you shoot in some bear countries, then you need that D3s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let&#8217;s face it, guys. you can keep your D3 and D700. just spend the money on lighting, then you can also get two-stops for much less than a new D3s. of course, if you shoot in some bear countries, then you need that D3s.</p>
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