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	<description>where there’s smoke there’s fire</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/15/nikon-related-linksnews-8.aspx/comment-page-1#comment-40502</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand the Windows 7 issue, I&#039;ve been using Capture NX2 just fine with Windows 7 for quite a while now already and never had a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand the Windows 7 issue, I&#8217;ve been using Capture NX2 just fine with Windows 7 for quite a while now already and never had a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: 153957</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/15/nikon-related-linksnews-8.aspx/comment-page-1#comment-40487</link>
		<dc:creator>153957</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darn, those memory cards go cheap there... wish we had some rebates like that here in the Netherlands.</description>
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		<title>By: PHB</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/15/nikon-related-linksnews-8.aspx/comment-page-1#comment-40460</link>
		<dc:creator>PHB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I strongly suspect that when the 70-200 VR was being designed, the priority was to make a lens for DX format digital which was then Nikon&#039;s format of choice. 

I suspect that the &#039;defects&#039; in the older zoom are mostly the result of optimizing it for a future DX-only lineup with FX support being something that is provided on telephoto lenses because there are still some film shooters out there and the cost of supporting them on a lens 70mm or longer is negligible.

So now they are back making FX lenses, a version of the lens optimized for FX makes perfect sense.

I would be buying one, only I have the 10-200 focal length range covered pretty well and would prefer to get something that covers 200-400 or better yet, 200-500. And after that my priority will be a lens with the best possible bokeh, which is likely to mean a prime rather than a zoom.

Would be very interested to see how the bokeh of this lens stands up to the 85mm f/1.4 which seems to be the gold standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly suspect that when the 70-200 VR was being designed, the priority was to make a lens for DX format digital which was then Nikon&#8217;s format of choice. </p>
<p>I suspect that the &#8216;defects&#8217; in the older zoom are mostly the result of optimizing it for a future DX-only lineup with FX support being something that is provided on telephoto lenses because there are still some film shooters out there and the cost of supporting them on a lens 70mm or longer is negligible.</p>
<p>So now they are back making FX lenses, a version of the lens optimized for FX makes perfect sense.</p>
<p>I would be buying one, only I have the 10-200 focal length range covered pretty well and would prefer to get something that covers 200-400 or better yet, 200-500. And after that my priority will be a lens with the best possible bokeh, which is likely to mean a prime rather than a zoom.</p>
<p>Would be very interested to see how the bokeh of this lens stands up to the 85mm f/1.4 which seems to be the gold standard.</p>
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		<title>By: NikoRyan</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/15/nikon-related-linksnews-8.aspx/comment-page-1#comment-40448</link>
		<dc:creator>NikoRyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG, I just got one of the SanDisk 8 GB CF cards from B&amp;H for $60 and here you end up with 3 for $70. {Smack-- Ryan smacks forehead}</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG, I just got one of the SanDisk 8 GB CF cards from B&amp;H for $60 and here you end up with 3 for $70. {Smack&#8211; Ryan smacks forehead}</p>
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		<title>By: John B Jones</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/15/nikon-related-linksnews-8.aspx/comment-page-1#comment-40446</link>
		<dc:creator>John B Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the Snow Leopard users waiting for Camera Control Pro to be fixed?</description>
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		<title>By: Birks</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/15/nikon-related-linksnews-8.aspx/comment-page-1#comment-40442</link>
		<dc:creator>Birks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boo, the Nikon Festival video competition is only open to you Americans!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boo, the Nikon Festival video competition is only open to you Americans!</p>
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		<title>By: Dweeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dweeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to see some one else noticed the insane price on the Cokin. However Lee aren&#039;t exactly known for competitive pricing. Unfortunately no pola ability still is the deal breaker for me. I was shooting a few days ago with grads on the 12-24 and the 14-24 sitting dormant in my pocket. I wonder if there are restrictions like the Conkin as well. I think that&#039;s capped at 18mm FX.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to see some one else noticed the insane price on the Cokin. However Lee aren&#8217;t exactly known for competitive pricing. Unfortunately no pola ability still is the deal breaker for me. I was shooting a few days ago with grads on the 12-24 and the 14-24 sitting dormant in my pocket. I wonder if there are restrictions like the Conkin as well. I think that&#8217;s capped at 18mm FX.</p>
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		<title>By: another anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>another anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, fully agree. The development costs money and that are coming from selling a lot of gear what is mainly that less pricy class wich has much more customers. We should never whine about this class progress when we want our dreams to be true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, fully agree. The development costs money and that are coming from selling a lot of gear what is mainly that less pricy class wich has much more customers. We should never whine about this class progress when we want our dreams to be true.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Adair</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/15/nikon-related-linksnews-8.aspx/comment-page-1#comment-40424</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Adair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also from his own words (found this just now):

&quot;It is important to note that the new lens also eliminated the fringing and ghosting that is so evidently shown in images from the 70-200 VR lens. Pay attention to the groom figurine to see my point.   In this particular test, I find the VR2 give details and sharpness at f/2.8 that the VR can only match at f/8.&quot;

This is in line with my experience using that lens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also from his own words (found this just now):</p>
<p>&#8220;It is important to note that the new lens also eliminated the fringing and ghosting that is so evidently shown in images from the 70-200 VR lens. Pay attention to the groom figurine to see my point.   In this particular test, I find the VR2 give details and sharpness at f/2.8 that the VR can only match at f/8.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is in line with my experience using that lens.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Adair</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/15/nikon-related-linksnews-8.aspx/comment-page-1#comment-40421</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Adair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with many of your points re: Nikon and the direction they&#039;re heading, but I have to disagree that the mistakes he made in his tests are irrelevant.  

I, too, have the D700, and the difference between high iso shots with NR on and those without NR is pretty significant.  That alone is enough to skew the results dramatically.  I am not saying this test proves that the D3s doesn&#039;t perform better than the D700.  But you cannot say that it proves the D3s IS better if you&#039;re basing your point on this same test.  I imagine the D3s is better, but by how much no one knows until a true test is performed.  With the mistakes Will Cheung made in this series of test shots, I&#039;m surprised he published the results at all. 

This test is the equivalent of testing a 2009 model Chevy Truck 4x4 against a new 2010 model which has better 4 wheel drive capabilities.  Except the new (2010) truck has chains on for the test, while the old one doesn&#039;t.  Clearly, this would make any results completely irrelevant.  

I&#039;ll leave the color issues alone since they&#039;re not as big of a deal, but c&#039;mon - they are completely different, and frankly the D700 looks miles ahead on the skin tones.  Again, this is somewhat less relevant, but still looks really bad from a testing standpoint.  This isn&#039;t a test anymore, but flawed conjecture.

And for the record - I don&#039;t look at the aggressive noise reduction on the D3s shots as a plus - if there is no option to turn off that NR when using the normal iso range (up to 12,800), then I call foul on Nikon for turning their high iso photography into nothing more than a gimmick, just like Canon.  I suspect this isn&#039;t the case, and that the NR was set on high only because Will was using the D3s in JPEG mode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with many of your points re: Nikon and the direction they&#8217;re heading, but I have to disagree that the mistakes he made in his tests are irrelevant.  </p>
<p>I, too, have the D700, and the difference between high iso shots with NR on and those without NR is pretty significant.  That alone is enough to skew the results dramatically.  I am not saying this test proves that the D3s doesn&#8217;t perform better than the D700.  But you cannot say that it proves the D3s IS better if you&#8217;re basing your point on this same test.  I imagine the D3s is better, but by how much no one knows until a true test is performed.  With the mistakes Will Cheung made in this series of test shots, I&#8217;m surprised he published the results at all. </p>
<p>This test is the equivalent of testing a 2009 model Chevy Truck 4&#215;4 against a new 2010 model which has better 4 wheel drive capabilities.  Except the new (2010) truck has chains on for the test, while the old one doesn&#8217;t.  Clearly, this would make any results completely irrelevant.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave the color issues alone since they&#8217;re not as big of a deal, but c&#8217;mon &#8211; they are completely different, and frankly the D700 looks miles ahead on the skin tones.  Again, this is somewhat less relevant, but still looks really bad from a testing standpoint.  This isn&#8217;t a test anymore, but flawed conjecture.</p>
<p>And for the record &#8211; I don&#8217;t look at the aggressive noise reduction on the D3s shots as a plus &#8211; if there is no option to turn off that NR when using the normal iso range (up to 12,800), then I call foul on Nikon for turning their high iso photography into nothing more than a gimmick, just like Canon.  I suspect this isn&#8217;t the case, and that the NR was set on high only because Will was using the D3s in JPEG mode.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/15/nikon-related-linksnews-8.aspx/comment-page-1#comment-40418</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 03:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damnit I want to participate in this contest but I live in canada.. wow this is ridiculous.</description>
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		<title>By: Patros</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/15/nikon-related-linksnews-8.aspx/comment-page-1#comment-40416</link>
		<dc:creator>Patros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 03:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Main Problem&quot; is their english translation of the originally japanese text... I think... :) ... ... wish you only the best...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Main Problem&#8221; is their english translation of the originally japanese text&#8230; I think&#8230; <img src='http://nikonrumors.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8230; &#8230; wish you only the best&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: [NR] admin</title>
		<link>http://nikonrumors.com/2009/11/15/nikon-related-linksnews-8.aspx/comment-page-1#comment-40415</link>
		<dc:creator>[NR] admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 03:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patros, you are correct - I removed that portion of the post, the text I quoted from Nikon&#039;s site was really confusing for me. I&#039;ve said it before - I do not know everything and sometimes I screw things up. Constructive criticism like yours is aways welcome, no hard feelings here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patros, you are correct &#8211; I removed that portion of the post, the text I quoted from Nikon&#8217;s site was really confusing for me. I&#8217;ve said it before &#8211; I do not know everything and sometimes I screw things up. Constructive criticism like yours is aways welcome, no hard feelings here.</p>
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		<title>By: Patros</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 03:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+ please bear in mind: Nikon Corporation is a traditional japanese company... They &quot;put their financial results together&quot; in japanese first... the link You mentioned as a &quot;source&quot; is only an english translation (and not the best one at that) they have to publish simultaneously as a &quot;Global Company&quot;... 

The original &quot;source&quot;: http://www.nikon.co.jp/main/jpn/profile/ir/ir_library/result/qa/2010_2q/index.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+ please bear in mind: Nikon Corporation is a traditional japanese company&#8230; They &#8220;put their financial results together&#8221; in japanese first&#8230; the link You mentioned as a &#8220;source&#8221; is only an english translation (and not the best one at that) they have to publish simultaneously as a &#8220;Global Company&#8221;&#8230; </p>
<p>The original &#8220;source&#8221;: <a href="http://www.nikon.co.jp/main/jpn/profile/ir/ir_library/result/qa/2010_2q/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.nikon.co.jp/main/jpn/profile/ir/ir_library/result/qa/2010_2q/index.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Patros</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... have a look at their &quot;Nikon Group - Industry Review by Business Segment&quot; document at:

http://www.nikon.com/about/ir/ir_library/fb/pdf/fb2009/09fb_e04.pdf

Page 13 : Imaging Company - Shipment / Sales Units of Nikon Cameras and Interchangeable Lenses ... (In Thousand Units)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; have a look at their &#8220;Nikon Group &#8211; Industry Review by Business Segment&#8221; document at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nikon.com/about/ir/ir_library/fb/pdf/fb2009/09fb_e04.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.nikon.com/about/ir/ir_library/fb/pdf/fb2009/09fb_e04.pdf</a></p>
<p>Page 13 : Imaging Company &#8211; Shipment / Sales Units of Nikon Cameras and Interchangeable Lenses &#8230; (In Thousand Units)</p>
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		<title>By: mnm</title>
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		<dc:creator>mnm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed 100%, but no point trying to explain this to those people who have never run a business and so have little idea about why Nikon makes the choices it does. They will just keep complaining and threaten to move to Canon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed 100%, but no point trying to explain this to those people who have never run a business and so have little idea about why Nikon makes the choices it does. They will just keep complaining and threaten to move to Canon.</p>
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		<title>By: Patros</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+ I like Your website a lot... but I would expect from an admin of such a website to know a little bit better... 

... sorry for being that &quot;rough&quot; with You ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+ I like Your website a lot&#8230; but I would expect from an admin of such a website to know a little bit better&#8230; </p>
<p>&#8230; sorry for being that &#8220;rough&#8221; with You <img src='http://nikonrumors.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Patros</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. They are talking about &quot;market forecast&quot;... reread their english financial report at the link You provided, please... (http://www.nikon.com/about/ir/ir_library/result/qa/2010_2q/index.htm)

+ check out their financial results reports from 2008... 2007 ... :) ... 

+ just think twice about the number &quot;98 million units&quot; ... can You imagine what an unbelievable number of total units (compact digital cameras) worldwide would have to be sold each year, if that number would be for Nikon compact digital cameras only?... Nikon even isn&#039;t the number one in compact cameras worldwide... :) ... add Canon, Panasonic, Sony, Kodak, Olympus, Casio, Sanyo, Samsung, Pentax, Ricoh... (etc) ... compact digital cameras to that number... ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. They are talking about &#8220;market forecast&#8221;&#8230; reread their english financial report at the link You provided, please&#8230; (<a href="http://www.nikon.com/about/ir/ir_library/result/qa/2010_2q/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.nikon.com/about/ir/ir_library/result/qa/2010_2q/index.htm</a>)</p>
<p>+ check out their financial results reports from 2008&#8230; 2007 &#8230; <img src='http://nikonrumors.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8230; </p>
<p>+ just think twice about the number &#8220;98 million units&#8221; &#8230; can You imagine what an unbelievable number of total units (compact digital cameras) worldwide would have to be sold each year, if that number would be for Nikon compact digital cameras only?&#8230; Nikon even isn&#8217;t the number one in compact cameras worldwide&#8230; <img src='http://nikonrumors.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8230; add Canon, Panasonic, Sony, Kodak, Olympus, Casio, Sanyo, Samsung, Pentax, Ricoh&#8230; (etc) &#8230; compact digital cameras to that number&#8230; <img src='http://nikonrumors.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: [NR] admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>[NR] admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My understanding is that they are talking about Nikon&#039;s forecast only:

&quot;Regarding estimated market size for the current year, we have upwardly revised our forecast for digital SLR cameras and interchangeable lenses to 10 million and 16 million units, respectively, and have revised our forecast for compact digital cameras downwards to 98 million units.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding is that they are talking about Nikon&#8217;s forecast only:</p>
<p>&#8220;Regarding estimated market size for the current year, we have upwardly revised our forecast for digital SLR cameras and interchangeable lenses to 10 million and 16 million units, respectively, and have revised our forecast for compact digital cameras downwards to 98 million units.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Patros</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your sentence &quot;This year Nikon expects to sell 10 million DSLRs, 16 million interchangeable lenses and 98 million compact digital cameras&quot; is absolutely wrong... Nikon Corporation expects the total market worldwide would &quot;be&quot; 10 million DSLRs, 16 million interchangeable lenses and 98 million compact digital cameras... ... Nikon cameras are only a part of this numbers... around 35% of the total DSLR market for example... thus Nikon Imaging expects to sell cca 3,5 mil. DSLR bodies ... not &quot;10 milion&quot;... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your sentence &#8220;This year Nikon expects to sell 10 million DSLRs, 16 million interchangeable lenses and 98 million compact digital cameras&#8221; is absolutely wrong&#8230; Nikon Corporation expects the total market worldwide would &#8220;be&#8221; 10 million DSLRs, 16 million interchangeable lenses and 98 million compact digital cameras&#8230; &#8230; Nikon cameras are only a part of this numbers&#8230; around 35% of the total DSLR market for example&#8230; thus Nikon Imaging expects to sell cca 3,5 mil. DSLR bodies &#8230; not &#8220;10 milion&#8221;&#8230; <img src='http://nikonrumors.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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