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	<title>Comments on: Nikon D3: Gone Baby Gone!</title>
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		<title>By: soap</title>
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		<dc:creator>soap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And today the rumor says I may very well be wrong!</description>
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		<title>By: MentalRaymond</title>
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		<dc:creator>MentalRaymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, thats its one drawback...no filters. And yes, its so good even Canon guys buy convertors to use it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, thats its one drawback&#8230;no filters. And yes, its so good even Canon guys buy convertors to use it!</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but there is no full frame DSLR coming from Leica. They have definitively said there is  no R10 coming, or anything to replace it. They have discontinued their SLR line and lenses altogether - officially.

They say they will have a solution to mount R lenses on a DSLR, but that&#039;s not the same thing. It&#039;s like the adapters to put R lenses on Canon or Nikon bodies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but there is no full frame DSLR coming from Leica. They have definitively said there is  no R10 coming, or anything to replace it. They have discontinued their SLR line and lenses altogether &#8211; officially.</p>
<p>They say they will have a solution to mount R lenses on a DSLR, but that&#8217;s not the same thing. It&#8217;s like the adapters to put R lenses on Canon or Nikon bodies.</p>
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		<title>By: Micah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you shoot professionally, the 90/300 makes a good combo.</description>
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		<title>By: John Dosy-Doe</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Dosy-Doe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has less to do with camera innovations and more with price point sales strategy. It&#039;s all about supply and demand. 

As soon as they release a D3 replacement  the D3 will drop in price. The manufacturing cost will probably be very similar,.  They would split the demand between the D3 and the new  &quot;D3_&quot;, so why keep making a product that will generate less profit? There is alieu of photographers out thaere that wait until a new generation of cameras come out to purchase the old generation at a reduced cost. 

Furthermore, keeping the # of D3 bodies in the market lower will make sure that those caeras still retain their value. One of the thigns that we, Nikon users, always claim is how much Nikon bodies maintain their value over time. Once again,this boilds down to the chain of supply and demand. 

From a consumer point of view, if the only thing they would add to the new D3 replacement  is video, I would like to have theoption to buy a D3 without video Video is not my cup of tea, so I think is idiotic we are made to pay a premium for a feature I don&#039;t use, but I guess is the same concept with cameras on cell phones these days. A dSLR with no video at a lower price point would be a nice option for many of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has less to do with camera innovations and more with price point sales strategy. It&#8217;s all about supply and demand. </p>
<p>As soon as they release a D3 replacement  the D3 will drop in price. The manufacturing cost will probably be very similar,.  They would split the demand between the D3 and the new  &#8220;D3_&#8221;, so why keep making a product that will generate less profit? There is alieu of photographers out thaere that wait until a new generation of cameras come out to purchase the old generation at a reduced cost. </p>
<p>Furthermore, keeping the # of D3 bodies in the market lower will make sure that those caeras still retain their value. One of the thigns that we, Nikon users, always claim is how much Nikon bodies maintain their value over time. Once again,this boilds down to the chain of supply and demand. </p>
<p>From a consumer point of view, if the only thing they would add to the new D3 replacement  is video, I would like to have theoption to buy a D3 without video Video is not my cup of tea, so I think is idiotic we are made to pay a premium for a feature I don&#8217;t use, but I guess is the same concept with cameras on cell phones these days. A dSLR with no video at a lower price point would be a nice option for many of us.</p>
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		<title>By: PHB</title>
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		<dc:creator>PHB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The improvements in the D300s indicate that they are using a different, faster DSP. The D300 and D700 are essentially the same as far as the logic board design goes. The D700 might have a somewhat later DSP chip in it, but the design is essentially the same.

The main difference between the D3 and D700 is that the D3 has two signal paths and two front end DSPs. Thats what makes it faster (and a lot more expensive).

At the moment the D3x seems to be a little under powered. It does not hit the ISO it should which may be a heat issue (more heat means more noise). They can&#039;t solve that issue by adding even more CPU without upping the noise as well.

Put the D300s DSP in the D3 and D700 bodies is a no-brainer. It is a modest manufacturing tweak that keeps the product line going for another 12 months or so. 

The D3x is another issue, they need to do a major engineering job there and get the camera performing up to the levels it should. A faster DSP may not solve all the issues, but it surely can&#039;t hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The improvements in the D300s indicate that they are using a different, faster DSP. The D300 and D700 are essentially the same as far as the logic board design goes. The D700 might have a somewhat later DSP chip in it, but the design is essentially the same.</p>
<p>The main difference between the D3 and D700 is that the D3 has two signal paths and two front end DSPs. Thats what makes it faster (and a lot more expensive).</p>
<p>At the moment the D3x seems to be a little under powered. It does not hit the ISO it should which may be a heat issue (more heat means more noise). They can&#8217;t solve that issue by adding even more CPU without upping the noise as well.</p>
<p>Put the D300s DSP in the D3 and D700 bodies is a no-brainer. It is a modest manufacturing tweak that keeps the product line going for another 12 months or so. </p>
<p>The D3x is another issue, they need to do a major engineering job there and get the camera performing up to the levels it should. A faster DSP may not solve all the issues, but it surely can&#8217;t hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>awesome lens dude, I guess its not wrong to say its the best wideangle zoom lens period?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>awesome lens dude, I guess its not wrong to say its the best wideangle zoom lens period?</p>
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		<title>By: Daf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez really? With shopping around ?

~£2799 in the UK
http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/prod584.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez really? With shopping around ?</p>
<p>~£2799 in the UK<br />
<a href="http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/prod584.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/prod584.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Daf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grays is a lovely shop, but still pricey.

Going rate is more like £2799
http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/prod584.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grays is a lovely shop, but still pricey.</p>
<p>Going rate is more like £2799<br />
<a href="http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/prod584.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/prod584.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: [NR] admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>[NR] admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s all I got for now:
http://nikonrumors.com/2009/09/26/nikon-d3s-bits-and-pieces.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s all I got for now:<br />
<a href="http://nikonrumors.com/2009/09/26/nikon-d3s-bits-and-pieces.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://nikonrumors.com/2009/09/26/nikon-d3s-bits-and-pieces.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: BillyBobJohnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillyBobJohnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great lens. How do you fix filters to it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great lens. How do you fix filters to it?</p>
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		<title>By: soap</title>
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		<dc:creator>soap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The argument FOR a D700s is simple - The D700 and D3 share the same logic board and producing two logic boards (a D3s and a D700) is more expensive than producing one.
Ditto the D300 main frame and the D700 main frame.

So now that there is a D3s and a D300s the D700 is being assembled not from retasked parts, but from unique parts.  This is expensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The argument FOR a D700s is simple &#8211; The D700 and D3 share the same logic board and producing two logic boards (a D3s and a D700) is more expensive than producing one.<br />
Ditto the D300 main frame and the D700 main frame.</p>
<p>So now that there is a D3s and a D300s the D700 is being assembled not from retasked parts, but from unique parts.  This is expensive.</p>
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		<title>By: Flense Master</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flense Master</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When i was trying to find a D3 body around 1st of September i was told by a suplier in Singapore that the D3 was &quot;old model&quot; at the time i didn&#039;t think too much more about it and finally found someone who had it and i purchased it, but finding one in Asia at that time was almost a week of emailing, i missed one at a lighting price by a matter of hours, they were really &quot;clearing them out&quot;

I&#039;ll order a D3s the day it comes out and someone will score a well priced barely used D3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When i was trying to find a D3 body around 1st of September i was told by a suplier in Singapore that the D3 was &#8220;old model&#8221; at the time i didn&#8217;t think too much more about it and finally found someone who had it and i purchased it, but finding one in Asia at that time was almost a week of emailing, i missed one at a lighting price by a matter of hours, they were really &#8220;clearing them out&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll order a D3s the day it comes out and someone will score a well priced barely used D3.</p>
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		<title>By: soap</title>
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		<dc:creator>soap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D70 got a larger screen and became the D70s.  D40 got a denser sensor and spawned the D40x (note the D40 still survived, the D40x became a new market niche).

Purely extrapolating past history I&#039;d say the odds of a D90s/x are slim to none.
D40 and D40x don&#039;t count as I don&#039;t see room in the lineup for yet another product line.

That leaves the D70 as the one example of a consumer X0 body getting a mid-model upgrade (D50, D60, and D80 did not), and that was the first X0 body, never since then have they done it.  Why would you expect it now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D70 got a larger screen and became the D70s.  D40 got a denser sensor and spawned the D40x (note the D40 still survived, the D40x became a new market niche).</p>
<p>Purely extrapolating past history I&#8217;d say the odds of a D90s/x are slim to none.<br />
D40 and D40x don&#8217;t count as I don&#8217;t see room in the lineup for yet another product line.</p>
<p>That leaves the D70 as the one example of a consumer X0 body getting a mid-model upgrade (D50, D60, and D80 did not), and that was the first X0 body, never since then have they done it.  Why would you expect it now?</p>
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		<title>By: getanalogue</title>
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		<dc:creator>getanalogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t think that Nikon is gonna launch a D700s/x at all. We will see D400 and D4 summer next year (its Photokina year). Rangefinder APS/DX body would also be nice to have (incl. F Mount) and some compact primaries, wow.
Nikon has a difficult standing now, Leica with refurbished line of models: S2, M9, X1 (and a FF DSLR to come), and Canon &amp; Sony from the other side...no fun for them. It takes exactly the right moves otherwise your lost in universe considering the necessary investments in R&amp;D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t think that Nikon is gonna launch a D700s/x at all. We will see D400 and D4 summer next year (its Photokina year). Rangefinder APS/DX body would also be nice to have (incl. F Mount) and some compact primaries, wow.<br />
Nikon has a difficult standing now, Leica with refurbished line of models: S2, M9, X1 (and a FF DSLR to come), and Canon &amp; Sony from the other side&#8230;no fun for them. It takes exactly the right moves otherwise your lost in universe considering the necessary investments in R&amp;D.</p>
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		<title>By: STJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>STJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Famous Vanilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Famous Vanilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m also set to buy a D700, and doing the same thing - waiting for Oct 15th just in case that changes things.  (I have already used the D700 and it is breathtakingly good.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also set to buy a D700, and doing the same thing &#8211; waiting for Oct 15th just in case that changes things.  (I have already used the D700 and it is breathtakingly good.)</p>
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		<title>By: tester</title>
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		<dc:creator>tester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do we have anywhere a list with the rumored new functions? what unique feature could we see at the new camera, i don&#039;t think that this will be only a small update. 

Nikon has to build in something new to DSLR camera, only update the existing is to less.

i.e. my ideas:
- full hd video
- gps build in
- better high iso
- soundless  shutter for DSLR
- ???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do we have anywhere a list with the rumored new functions? what unique feature could we see at the new camera, i don&#8217;t think that this will be only a small update. </p>
<p>Nikon has to build in something new to DSLR camera, only update the existing is to less.</p>
<p>i.e. my ideas:<br />
- full hd video<br />
- gps build in<br />
- better high iso<br />
- soundless  shutter for DSLR<br />
- ???</p>
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		<title>By: MentalRaymond</title>
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		<dc:creator>MentalRaymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im about to buy a d700 too. Looking at the d300s and D3s, which are just small tweaks, the d700x/800 with 24Mp surely wont hit till next summer at the earliest, and im not that bothered about a d700s.

im basicaly gonna wait till the 15th, just to make sure the d700s isnt the second camera being released, as this is as late in the year for an announcement as your prolly gonna get. if only the d3s hits, ill order the d700. Im out in New zealand at the mo, which is one of the amazing places in the world for landacape photos. Only really choice for my budget is a d700 or MkII, and im not switching to canon! just bought the amazing 14-24mm, one of the best landscapes lenses out there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im about to buy a d700 too. Looking at the d300s and D3s, which are just small tweaks, the d700x/800 with 24Mp surely wont hit till next summer at the earliest, and im not that bothered about a d700s.</p>
<p>im basicaly gonna wait till the 15th, just to make sure the d700s isnt the second camera being released, as this is as late in the year for an announcement as your prolly gonna get. if only the d3s hits, ill order the d700. Im out in New zealand at the mo, which is one of the amazing places in the world for landacape photos. Only really choice for my budget is a d700 or MkII, and im not switching to canon! just bought the amazing 14-24mm, one of the best landscapes lenses out there!</p>
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		<title>By: Cesar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cesar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 08:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The D700 isn&#039;t THAT old yet. It came more than a year after the D300.
Now the D300s is here, do you really expect the D700x/s/whatever to come so soon?

By the way, The Netherlands is the place to be for the D3: it&#039;s only a lousy 3550 euros here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The D700 isn&#8217;t THAT old yet. It came more than a year after the D300.<br />
Now the D300s is here, do you really expect the D700x/s/whatever to come so soon?</p>
<p>By the way, The Netherlands is the place to be for the D3: it&#8217;s only a lousy 3550 euros here!</p>
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