Comments on: There will be another camera announced, but not Nikon D700x/D700s

By: [NR] admin

[NR] admin — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:06:03 +0000

This is what I had in mind when I started the rating system: imagine a 2 dimensional graph – on the one axis you have time and on the other you have probability. Let’s say the probability was 80% a month ago – that means 80% chance the product will be released, 20% chance the product will not be released. A month later, I get some more information and the probability goes up to 90% (based on the latest info) which means 90% chance of an official release, 10% chance that the product will not be released. Does this make more sense now? The probability should change as time passes because I get new rumors.

By: Nikkorian

Nikkorian — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:11:37 +0000

oh, ano, i have a very logical brain, thanks. NR, maybe ano is right about that page, because your system is against all intuition and standards. i still don’t really get it. do you imply, the 50% for oct release is valid for now, and the 70% becomes valid if october release is not fulfilled? in this case, correct probs would be 33.3% for oct, 46.7% for early next year and 20% for “not at all, or later”. well, don’t mind. not that important…

By: peter harrap

peter harrap — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 17:22:16 +0000

24ish MP gives us detailed images for the first time, so dont knock it. 12MP is very good, the images are detailed, BUT viewers know the detail is there, yet cannot see it. This has been a major limitation of photography since its invention. The threshold is there, but rarely crossed. We do not ever see even large format images enlarged as much as they can be commercially (unless you buy a Gersky), because reproduced as billboards through coarse screens and in magazines they remain, dare one say it, rather noisy!

Low noise high quality imagery is the way to go. Nikon have long realised this- it is why they waited so long to go FF.

What needs must be realised is the severe unlikelihood of a D700x actually happening.

The recent price hike has raised lens prices in the UK by 30-50% . THe 300mm f4 you opine about was everywhere available 20 years ago for £60 secondhand. Check the new price of a 300mm f4 then- it was low. Body prices are astronomically expensive still. They are a fortune compared to an F6 and the F6 is very expensive. And it wont be obsolesced easily, it cant be.

The D3X is NOT obsolete, unlike the D3 whose life was short bnecause of the 24.5 MP sensors appearance. That is why Nikon released the D700- it was already obsolete at release.

Canon themselves state that the 5DII image quality betters its own 1DsIII.

So now other manufacturers can hold fire, at will, because the D3x image quality is the best that exists in a 35mm type body. Releasing an as good D3x when the D3x is the best makes no sense- after all the Leica M9 is the same price, far more limited and of inferior qualkity IQ-wise (seriously).

I hope Nikon do do a 24MP cheaper machine with 24p video, of course I do. We all do. Does the D3x have video? so?

By: dgbinpc

dgbinpc — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:49:58 +0000

The folks in Vancouver will be mighty disappointed to find that the 2010 Olympic Winger Games are not happening.

By: Landscape Photo

Landscape Photo — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:23:16 +0000

I’ll wait till the new year. If no official announcement yet made at this date, I’ll sell my D300 & get the 5D II without looking back again. Enough waiting ! It’s an easy move because I don’t have a FX lens. I’m not a fan, but familiar to Canon, having once used a 20D given for an assignment.

By: ilmando

ilmando — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 10:40:40 +0000

There won’t be Olympics in 2010 (Olympics in China were last year). There will be soccer World Cup, if you’re into soccer…

By: Alex

Alex — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:32:35 +0000

I think we will se a D700x before the end of the year, Nikon may want to get rid of his D700 before releasing the D700x.
Even if the D700/D700x is not the number one seller in nikon DSLR, it’s important for Nikon’s image to stay competitive with other brand when it’ about high end cameras.
Ferrari will not sell as many cars if they were not racing in formula one.

By: zen-tao

zen-tao — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 07:46:26 +0000

I don’t think you will achieve a too much defocussin with a 24 mm. even with f.1.4. It will result a “soft focus” but you won’t really isolate the subject. Making an effect half full is like not doing it at all. I have a 50 mm. f:1.4 managing the composition is a little more complicated but the final effect is really good. It’s an affordable lens an I’ve widely recovered the money I paid for it.

By: Soap

Soap — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 03:15:17 +0000

Cool, thanks for the details.

By: matt2001

matt2001 — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 00:55:21 +0000

When I said loose, I was saying that 24mm is wide for portrait so at 10 feet people would be small relative to the extents of the frame, so if in case desiring even less DoF, 4-5 feet would fit their bodies in comfortably on a vertical shot and give decent DoF without making the subject look crammed into the photo. Or to buy even more bokeh crop their bodies or they could be sat down, etc etc….but then heh yeah, I’m with ya on the getting pretty close to their faces part A lot of times I’ll shoot with a right angle adapter which helps, but really I’m not usually at 24mm. If I had f/1.4 to isolate my subjects from the background more at that focal length, I might try to be more often though.

By: Alex

Alex — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 23:37:25 +0000

I would wait until Xmas for a D700x.

By: Mark

Mark — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:05:58 +0000

Boo!

I need the new D700 to come in so I can decide if I get it or the current model?

Oh well, back to waiting.

By: zzddrr

zzddrr — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 20:14:55 +0000

or with another 12MP beauty

By: zzddrr

zzddrr — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 20:03:01 +0000

Goose –

D700 was announced in July 08 – Available let’s say September (or august)
5DMK II was announced in Sep 08 – Available around late November early December

So we are talking about max 1 month advantage for Nikon because many waited to see how the new Canon performed.

Again, I agree the sales figures cannot be representative. However, even if we just consider a 2:1 ratio, we are talking about 250k cameras. Apply the profit ratio and see what Canon made.

Look, not the figures are the main point. The main point is that Nikon is sitting on its bum and does not care about what actually customers are asking for.

Ennan – yes that is exactly the difference. In the US, they two key drivers of the Canon sales (5D II) are the Video and MP. Also, more affordable lens lineup for an FF camera.

By: STJ

STJ — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:06:40 +0000

Well I would like a D700s, no D700x, D800…

By: Ennan

Ennan — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:17:47 +0000

build quality and handling is waaaaaaaaay better on Nikon.

By: Ennan

Ennan — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:14:57 +0000

why don’t you write?

By: Soap

Soap — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:54:30 +0000

G-type makes the new lenses better?

By: Ennan

Ennan — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:53:11 +0000

also lets not forget that the 5d mkII is selling a lot to videographers – that has bugger all to do with the megapixels. It’s cheap full frame video that’s driving much of the sales.

By: Soap

Soap — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:37:16 +0000

Interesting. Am I reading you right in that you are breaking the old rule of thumb (paraphrased by me) “If the subjects feel they are at a comfortable distance from each other the composition will look loose, and it is only when you mush them closer together than their instincts tell them that the composition looks right”?
(Portrait rule of thumb).

But yea, you can get a workably thin portrait DoF @ 24/28 mm by getting up closer, something you tend to have less capability with when doing event – unless you want to BE the event!