Comments on: Nikon’s patents for the week (Nikon AF-S 85mm f/1.4 VR) http://nikonrumors.com/2009/10/02/nikons-patents-for-the-week-nikon-af-s-85mm-f1-4.aspx/ where there’s smoke there’s fire Fri, 25 May 2012 14:35:36 +0000 hourly 1 By: sb900DX http://nikonrumors.com/2009/10/02/nikons-patents-for-the-week-nikon-af-s-85mm-f1-4.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-36973 sb900DX Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:00:07 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=7286#comment-36973 dose any one now anything about the date of publish for this amazing lens pleas ? dose any one now anything about the date of publish for this amazing lens pleas ?

]]> By: mike http://nikonrumors.com/2009/10/02/nikons-patents-for-the-week-nikon-af-s-85mm-f1-4.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-36639 mike Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:06:20 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=7286#comment-36639 Doesn't matter how fit you are; the lighter the gear the more places you can take it. Look at Galen Rowell. No one could plausible suggest he wasn't fit, but he always looked for the lightest gear that would get the job done. Doesn’t matter how fit you are; the lighter the gear the more places you can take it. Look at Galen Rowell. No one could plausible suggest he wasn’t fit, but he always looked for the lightest gear that would get the job done.

]]> By: mike http://nikonrumors.com/2009/10/02/nikons-patents-for-the-week-nikon-af-s-85mm-f1-4.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-36638 mike Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:00:37 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=7286#comment-36638 The DX equivalent with VR is the 18-55, a kit lens. None of the pro wide-angle stuff has VR, regardless of whether it is DX or FX. On FX, the amateur 24-120 also has VR, not that it's a popular lens. As for the 28/1.4, they had one before; you can still buy them on ebay. One can only assume that they don't make them anymore because no one wants to pay >$2k for a 28mm prime (it was $1800 back when it was still being manufactured). Maybe they will start making more wide f1.4 glass to regain parity with Canon's lens lineup, but I doubt they will be money makers (may even be money losers ... ). The DX equivalent with VR is the 18-55, a kit lens. None of the pro wide-angle stuff has VR, regardless of whether it is DX or FX. On FX, the amateur 24-120 also has VR, not that it’s a popular lens.

As for the 28/1.4, they had one before; you can still buy them on ebay. One can only assume that they don’t make them anymore because no one wants to pay >$2k for a 28mm prime (it was $1800 back when it was still being manufactured). Maybe they will start making more wide f1.4 glass to regain parity with Canon’s lens lineup, but I doubt they will be money makers (may even be money losers … ).

]]> By: XStyleBeauties http://nikonrumors.com/2009/10/02/nikons-patents-for-the-week-nikon-af-s-85mm-f1-4.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-36353 XStyleBeauties Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:11:14 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=7286#comment-36353 Would like see a modern 85 f1.4. Mrs Nikon, please.. Would like see a modern 85 f1.4.
Mrs Nikon, please..

]]> By: Jose http://nikonrumors.com/2009/10/02/nikons-patents-for-the-week-nikon-af-s-85mm-f1-4.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-35862 Jose Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:26:29 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=7286#comment-35862 Guess this baby would weight 3.5-4 pounds and cost $3-3.5k. Good luck with your wish... Guess this baby would weight 3.5-4 pounds and cost $3-3.5k. Good luck with your wish…

]]> By: Jose http://nikonrumors.com/2009/10/02/nikons-patents-for-the-week-nikon-af-s-85mm-f1-4.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-35859 Jose Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:18:28 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=7286#comment-35859 Hmm, if by Z-axis you mean movement on the lens longitudinal axis, that would be the trickiest one. You are essentially moving the sensor out of the image plane where the lens is supposed to focus. Care to develop your idea further? Hmm, if by Z-axis you mean movement on the lens longitudinal axis, that would be the trickiest one. You are essentially moving the sensor out of the image plane where the lens is supposed to focus. Care to develop your idea further?

]]> By: rhodium http://nikonrumors.com/2009/10/02/nikons-patents-for-the-week-nikon-af-s-85mm-f1-4.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-35813 rhodium Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:04:17 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=7286#comment-35813 YES! I've always loved the feel of those old lenses - holding those solid hunks of metal in your hands just feels so wonderful. YES! I’ve always loved the feel of those old lenses – holding those solid hunks of metal in your hands just feels so wonderful.

]]> By: Joe R http://nikonrumors.com/2009/10/02/nikons-patents-for-the-week-nikon-af-s-85mm-f1-4.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-35810 Joe R Tue, 06 Oct 2009 12:20:19 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=7286#comment-35810 I think G is a given. I think G is a given.

]]> By: Joe R http://nikonrumors.com/2009/10/02/nikons-patents-for-the-week-nikon-af-s-85mm-f1-4.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-35809 Joe R Tue, 06 Oct 2009 12:19:38 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=7286#comment-35809 @bla, I don't know if you said that in jest, but it's true. I have, on more than one occasion, wished I didn't drink as much coffee. You can lose 3-5 stops hand-holding! @bla, I don’t know if you said that in jest, but it’s true.

I have, on more than one occasion, wished I didn’t drink as much coffee. You can lose 3-5 stops hand-holding!

]]> By: Joe R http://nikonrumors.com/2009/10/02/nikons-patents-for-the-week-nikon-af-s-85mm-f1-4.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-35808 Joe R Tue, 06 Oct 2009 12:17:18 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=7286#comment-35808 What's the real world benefit to VR on a 1.4 lens? Assuming it gets real sharp at 2.0 or 2.8, which would be a nice portrait setup, what's the benefit to VR? I would like to see VR compensate for Z-axis drift for things like shooting macro at 2.0 or 2.8. That would be snazzy. I assume it could be faster to react than AFS for shifting an element group. What’s the real world benefit to VR on a 1.4 lens? Assuming it gets real sharp at 2.0 or 2.8, which would be a nice portrait setup, what’s the benefit to VR?

I would like to see VR compensate for Z-axis drift for things like shooting macro at 2.0 or 2.8. That would be snazzy. I assume it could be faster to react than AFS for shifting an element group.

]]> By: rhodium http://nikonrumors.com/2009/10/02/nikons-patents-for-the-week-nikon-af-s-85mm-f1-4.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-35804 rhodium Tue, 06 Oct 2009 09:42:22 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=7286#comment-35804 I think he'll be pissed because if it cost any less than 1600, he should have saved his money for the (newer) AF-S version. I think he’ll be pissed because if it cost any less than 1600, he should have saved his money for the (newer) AF-S version.

]]> By: BillyBobJohnson http://nikonrumors.com/2009/10/02/nikons-patents-for-the-week-nikon-af-s-85mm-f1-4.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-35779 BillyBobJohnson Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:19:16 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=7286#comment-35779 The 85/1.4D is a classic lens and has shown to be very durable due to it's metal construction. I may be in a minority here, but I won't be buying an updated version at any cost if it's made from petroleum products. The 85/1.4D is a classic lens and has shown to be very durable due to it’s metal construction. I may be in a minority here, but I won’t be buying an updated version at any cost if it’s made from petroleum products.

]]> By: BillyBobJohnson http://nikonrumors.com/2009/10/02/nikons-patents-for-the-week-nikon-af-s-85mm-f1-4.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-35778 BillyBobJohnson Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:13:05 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=7286#comment-35778 Well I for one don't want a plastic crap lens with limited durability. And as for those whiners who go on and on about weight - get yourself out more and get used to it or get to the gym or both. Well I for one don’t want a plastic crap lens with limited durability. And as for those whiners who go on and on about weight – get yourself out more and get used to it or get to the gym or both.

]]> By: Jose http://nikonrumors.com/2009/10/02/nikons-patents-for-the-week-nikon-af-s-85mm-f1-4.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-35758 Jose Mon, 05 Oct 2009 00:59:20 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=7286#comment-35758 All prior lenses have required additional lens elements to perform the VR function. Since this 85mm design does not have additional elements compared to the previous one, I would say it has no VR. All prior lenses have required additional lens elements to perform the VR function. Since this 85mm design does not have additional elements compared to the previous one, I would say it has no VR.

]]> By: GlobalyGuy http://nikonrumors.com/2009/10/02/nikons-patents-for-the-week-nikon-af-s-85mm-f1-4.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-35752 GlobalyGuy Sun, 04 Oct 2009 20:49:17 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=7286#comment-35752 You should have paid $800 dollars a year ago for it. Why don't you just enjoy your lens and quit worrying about what other people pay. Nikon charges too much already (relative to any other lens manufacturer in the market), and we don't need comments like this. Better and less expensive is the way technology is supposed to work. Not better and more expensive. If computers kept getting better but always cost more, then we'd be paying $20,000 bucks for our modern computers. Today you can get an entire laptop for $400 bucks that is better than the $15,000 computers a decade ago. Better AND cheaper is the way to go. Nikon isn't following this rule at all. Even in better economic times they dont follow this rule, which is pretty annoying. You should have paid $800 dollars a year ago for it. Why don’t you just enjoy your lens and quit worrying about what other people pay. Nikon charges too much already (relative to any other lens manufacturer in the market), and we don’t need comments like this. Better and less expensive is the way technology is supposed to work. Not better and more expensive. If computers kept getting better but always cost more, then we’d be paying $20,000 bucks for our modern computers. Today you can get an entire laptop for $400 bucks that is better than the $15,000 computers a decade ago. Better AND cheaper is the way to go. Nikon isn’t following this rule at all. Even in better economic times they dont follow this rule, which is pretty annoying.

]]> By: GlobalyGuy http://nikonrumors.com/2009/10/02/nikons-patents-for-the-week-nikon-af-s-85mm-f1-4.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-35751 GlobalyGuy Sun, 04 Oct 2009 20:44:47 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=7286#comment-35751 No its not. 85 1.4 can use VR. As can the 24-70G. I am pretty sure that Nikon held off on the VR for the 24-70, because it could add it later when VR is slightly smaller and consider it an "upgrade". Notice that similar DX lenses HAVE VR, so this is one part where FX suffered. Let's not pretend that the 85 is perfect. It needs more optical clarity for the new digital megapixels -- "the center" is never enough on FX -- out there and VR would make me snap it up. As for 35 1.4 -- they need a 28/1.4 first... heck, a 28/1.8..something around there. 35 just isn't wide enough. And 24 can sometimes be too wide (scrunching people up too much). 28 always feels about right when trying to get it all in and still keeping things in a proportion that the brain feels comfortable with. 24 or shorter tends to make every room look like a warehouse. And 35 doesn't give you any elbow room. (When using the 24-70, i always go wider than 35, but tend to be a tad longer than 24.) I really wish they had made a 28 or even 35 prior to making the 50mm though. 50mm just cuts you off, in-doors, and forces your back up against a wall, way too much. GET THAT 85, NIKON -- and then hurry up and get a 35, 30, 28, or 24 already. Slackers. No its not. 85 1.4 can use VR. As can the 24-70G. I am pretty sure that Nikon held off on the VR for the 24-70, because it could add it later when VR is slightly smaller and consider it an “upgrade”. Notice that similar DX lenses HAVE VR, so this is one part where FX suffered.

Let’s not pretend that the 85 is perfect. It needs more optical clarity for the new digital megapixels — “the center” is never enough on FX — out there and VR would make me snap it up.

As for 35 1.4 — they need a 28/1.4 first… heck, a 28/1.8..something around there.

35 just isn’t wide enough. And 24 can sometimes be too wide (scrunching people up too much). 28 always feels about right when trying to get it all in and still keeping things in a proportion that the brain feels comfortable with. 24 or shorter tends to make every room look like a warehouse. And 35 doesn’t give you any elbow room. (When using the 24-70, i always go wider than 35, but tend to be a tad longer than 24.)

I really wish they had made a 28 or even 35 prior to making the 50mm though. 50mm just cuts you off, in-doors, and forces your back up against a wall, way too much.

GET THAT 85, NIKON — and then hurry up and get a 35, 30, 28, or 24 already. Slackers.

]]> By: GlobalyGuy http://nikonrumors.com/2009/10/02/nikons-patents-for-the-week-nikon-af-s-85mm-f1-4.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-35750 GlobalyGuy Sun, 04 Oct 2009 20:28:58 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=7286#comment-35750 Nikon needs AF-S for their most important lenses, because Nikon is introducing so many bodies that --cannot accept-- non-AF-S lenses. Nikon needs AF-S for their most important lenses, because Nikon is introducing so many bodies that –cannot accept– non-AF-S lenses.

]]> By: bla http://nikonrumors.com/2009/10/02/nikons-patents-for-the-week-nikon-af-s-85mm-f1-4.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-35749 bla Sun, 04 Oct 2009 20:23:43 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=7286#comment-35749 Why? Does the AF-D not perform well enough to match its pricetag? If the new one comes, would your old one stop working? Will the new one be better, or just guessing away? Just be happy with what you have (--> a total classic top Nikkor) and enjoy the hell out of it. Why care for a lens that may or may not come. Why? Does the AF-D not perform well enough to match its pricetag? If the new one comes, would your old one stop working? Will the new one be better, or just guessing away?

Just be happy with what you have (–> a total classic top Nikkor) and enjoy the hell out of it. Why care for a lens that may or may not come.

]]> By: bla http://nikonrumors.com/2009/10/02/nikons-patents-for-the-week-nikon-af-s-85mm-f1-4.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-35748 bla Sun, 04 Oct 2009 20:20:33 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=7286#comment-35748 You're almost right. But it's not the price that gives it away. There are some very affordable top lenses too, some of which in some countries are covered under NPS warranties (i.e. 85 f/1.8, 50 f/1.4) - and so regarded "pro" enough. With Nikon, you just know. Or you don't. You’re almost right. But it’s not the price that gives it away. There are some very affordable top lenses too, some of which in some countries are covered under NPS warranties (i.e. 85 f/1.8, 50 f/1.4) – and so regarded “pro” enough.

With Nikon, you just know. Or you don’t.

]]> By: bla http://nikonrumors.com/2009/10/02/nikons-patents-for-the-week-nikon-af-s-85mm-f1-4.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-35747 bla Sun, 04 Oct 2009 20:16:48 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=7286#comment-35747 And sure this guy was serious.... doh. And sure this guy was serious…. doh.

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