Comments on: What’s wrong with Outer Mongolia? http://nikonrumors.com/2009/08/04/whats-wrong-with-outer-mongolia.aspx/ where there’s smoke there’s fire Sun, 12 Feb 2012 22:06:39 +0000 hourly 1 By: Ralph Friedman http://nikonrumors.com/2009/08/04/whats-wrong-with-outer-mongolia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-31237 Ralph Friedman Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:34:22 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6295#comment-31237 The dpreview "editorial blog" must be a publication and not a blog. I didn't note any ability to comment on the post. The post itself is one of the best examples of whining that I've ever seen. Keep up the good work here. RF. The dpreview “editorial blog” must be a publication and not a blog. I didn’t note any ability to comment on the post. The post itself is one of the best examples of whining that I’ve ever seen. Keep up the good work here.

RF.

]]> By: tim_p http://nikonrumors.com/2009/08/04/whats-wrong-with-outer-mongolia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-31114 tim_p Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:02:22 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6295#comment-31114 ok, fair point. (Hadn't noticed that engadget and gizmodo pointed to NR. So apologies for my misinterpretation of this.) Still, I'd say just ignore their petty remarks, you don't really have to defend yourself. People like your blog! :) Anyways... :) ok, fair point.
(Hadn’t noticed that engadget and gizmodo pointed to NR. So apologies for my misinterpretation of this.)

Still, I’d say just ignore their petty remarks, you don’t really have to defend yourself. People like your blog! :)

Anyways… :)

]]> By: [NR] admin http://nikonrumors.com/2009/08/04/whats-wrong-with-outer-mongolia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-31109 [NR] admin Thu, 06 Aug 2009 13:05:31 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6295#comment-31109 Cluebat & tim_p: of course he refers to NR: "but because some small off-the-radar site in Outer Mongolia happens to have leaked it it's now ok for them to present that to their millions of readers. And that's the difference, "Joe's Blog" in Outer Mongolia will be read by nobody, but putting on your front page isn't ok when you know full well a leak is "real" if you noticed both engadget and gizmodo pointed to NR and used NR as a source for their coolpix stories. I am just defending my right to exist, no publicity stunts here. Cluebat & tim_p:
of course he refers to NR:
“but because some small off-the-radar site in Outer Mongolia happens to have leaked it it’s now ok for them to present that to their millions of readers. And that’s the difference, “Joe’s Blog” in Outer Mongolia will be read by nobody, but putting on your front page isn’t ok when you know full well a leak is “real”

if you noticed both engadget and gizmodo pointed to NR and used NR as a source for their coolpix stories.

I am just defending my right to exist, no publicity stunts here.

]]> By: tim_p http://nikonrumors.com/2009/08/04/whats-wrong-with-outer-mongolia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-31100 tim_p Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:49:25 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6295#comment-31100 exactly what Cluebat said. Stop blowing this out of proportions just to get some publicity. (a very ugly and common trend recently. Misquote someone and make a big internet fuzz about it...) I'm a regular reader of your blog (and of dpreview). But at the moment you are acting more childish than dpreview's rant was. cheers. Keep up the rumour-hunt! :) exactly what Cluebat said.
Stop blowing this out of proportions just to get some publicity. (a very ugly and common trend recently. Misquote someone and make a big internet fuzz about it…)
I’m a regular reader of your blog (and of dpreview). But at the moment you are acting more childish than dpreview’s rant was.

cheers. Keep up the rumour-hunt! :)

]]> By: Cluebat http://nikonrumors.com/2009/08/04/whats-wrong-with-outer-mongolia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-31063 Cluebat Thu, 06 Aug 2009 00:02:04 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6295#comment-31063 Seriously guys, can you read the rant properly? Phil is *NOT* angry at Nikonrumours. He's mad at sites like Engadget who HAVE proper scoops like him, but use rumours as a way of skirting the NDA. L2READ PLZ KK THX BAI Seriously guys, can you read the rant properly? Phil is *NOT* angry at Nikonrumours. He’s mad at sites like Engadget who HAVE proper scoops like him, but use rumours as a way of skirting the NDA.

L2READ PLZ KK THX BAI

]]> By: Michael http://nikonrumors.com/2009/08/04/whats-wrong-with-outer-mongolia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-31019 Michael Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:43:06 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6295#comment-31019 Because they have nothing better to do and go off into left field because it makes them feel important. That is pretty much it. Because they have nothing better to do and go off into left field because it makes them feel important. That is pretty much it.

]]> By: Dougraphic http://nikonrumors.com/2009/08/04/whats-wrong-with-outer-mongolia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-31011 Dougraphic Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:20:14 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6295#comment-31011 To summon the spirit of Kathy Griffin, DP Review can "suck it." Nikon Rumors has a whole bevy of secret operatives inside Nikon and across the industry, whispering every single trade secret into the fantastically coordinated central network, in Langley Mongolia. Nikon Rumors knows Bo Jackson better than Bo does. Nikon Rumors also knows where the main internet plug is, and if they wanted to, they could pull it and bring down the whole world wide web. So, back off Philigree. As an aside, really just sounds like a jealous baby crying his girlie-man eyes out. To summon the spirit of Kathy Griffin, DP Review can “suck it.” Nikon Rumors has a whole bevy of secret operatives inside Nikon and across the industry, whispering every single trade secret into the fantastically coordinated central network, in Langley Mongolia. Nikon Rumors knows Bo Jackson better than Bo does. Nikon Rumors also knows where the main internet plug is, and if they wanted to, they could pull it and bring down the whole world wide web. So, back off Philigree.

As an aside, really just sounds like a jealous baby crying his girlie-man eyes out.

]]> By: John http://nikonrumors.com/2009/08/04/whats-wrong-with-outer-mongolia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-30990 John Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:04:55 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6295#comment-30990 Since when is posting rumors news? As for DPR, they can go down in flames for all I care, just like pretty much every thread on their message boards. You can't be served free lunch and bitch about not being able to sneak into the kitchen through the back door. Since when is posting rumors news?
As for DPR, they can go down in flames for all I care, just like pretty much every thread on their message boards. You can’t be served free lunch and bitch about not being able to sneak into the kitchen through the back door.

]]> By: henrik http://nikonrumors.com/2009/08/04/whats-wrong-with-outer-mongolia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-30986 henrik Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:52:30 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6295#comment-30986 Don't post such personal stuff on a 'news site'. It's destracting. Try to be as focused as your best lens. Audience is not interested in your private opiniation. Don’t post such personal stuff on a ‘news site’. It’s destracting. Try to be as focused as your best lens. Audience is not interested in your private opiniation.

]]> By: Daf http://nikonrumors.com/2009/08/04/whats-wrong-with-outer-mongolia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-30981 Daf Wed, 05 Aug 2009 09:04:06 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6295#comment-30981 Looks like they've been stewing on this for a while. Another rant earlier on: http://blog.dpreview.com/editorial/2009/06/from-trickles-to-tides-leaks-and-rumors.html Looks like they’ve been stewing on this for a while.
Another rant earlier on:
http://blog.dpreview.com/editorial/2009/06/from-trickles-to-tides-leaks-and-rumors.html

]]> By: Daf http://nikonrumors.com/2009/08/04/whats-wrong-with-outer-mongolia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-30979 Daf Wed, 05 Aug 2009 09:01:30 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6295#comment-30979 No - I think it's more about DP having a go about engadget + gizmodo. Sounds like DP think that these sites are also under NDA, BUT then report on rumours as coming from other sources - so not really disclosing what they know (which would break NDA) but getting around it even so. No – I think it’s more about DP having a go about engadget + gizmodo.

Sounds like DP think that these sites are also under NDA, BUT then report on rumours as coming from other sources – so not really disclosing what they know (which would break NDA) but getting around it even so.

]]> By: Daf http://nikonrumors.com/2009/08/04/whats-wrong-with-outer-mongolia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-30978 Daf Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:58:28 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6295#comment-30978 http://blog.dpreview.com/editorial/2009/08/insider-trading-why-its-ok-for-them-but-not-us.html http://blog.dpreview.com/editorial/2009/08/insider-trading-why-its-ok-for-them-but-not-us.html

]]> By: STJ http://nikonrumors.com/2009/08/04/whats-wrong-with-outer-mongolia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-30971 STJ Wed, 05 Aug 2009 06:05:15 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6295#comment-30971 Exactly! The possitive point for dp review is still valid. They get to announce the first review of the camera and that's what they are known for. Phil apparently wants to have it all - first to announce AND first to show a review. Then dp should close their forum - because before NR (the dark ages) that was where all the rumors were to be found. Previously dp has complained directly to the OEM (e.g. Nikon) that they couldn't keep the seecrets until the deadline. WTF! DP should praise themselves lucky to get what they do get (preferential access to cameras before launch) instead of bashing other sites for doing well. What do they think they are - "god of the internet"? I'm rarely pissed, but that editorial is over the top. Exactly! The possitive point for dp review is still valid. They get to announce the first review of the camera and that’s what they are known for. Phil apparently wants to have it all – first to announce AND first to show a review. Then dp should close their forum – because before NR (the dark ages) that was where all the rumors were to be found. Previously dp has complained directly to the OEM (e.g. Nikon) that they couldn’t keep the seecrets until the deadline. WTF! DP should praise themselves lucky to get what they do get (preferential access to cameras before launch) instead of bashing other sites for doing well. What do they think they are – “god of the internet”? I’m rarely pissed, but that editorial is over the top.

]]> By: Richard Fisher http://nikonrumors.com/2009/08/04/whats-wrong-with-outer-mongolia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-30970 Richard Fisher Wed, 05 Aug 2009 05:57:51 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6295#comment-30970 I believe that Outer Mongolia is the same place that we now refer to as the modern country of Mongolia. Inner Mongolia is the northern part of The People's Republic of China, that borders the modern country of Mongolia. Both regions are home to ethnic Mongols. I believe that Outer Mongolia is the same place that we now refer to as the modern country of Mongolia. Inner Mongolia is the northern part of The People’s Republic of China, that borders the modern country of Mongolia. Both regions are home to ethnic Mongols.

]]> By: STJ http://nikonrumors.com/2009/08/04/whats-wrong-with-outer-mongolia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-30969 STJ Wed, 05 Aug 2009 05:55:02 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6295#comment-30969 Maybe dp should have done that instead of the jack-ass statement they did.... NR just gave the rumor - it's happening in Mongolia! And he said something really positive about them too! Maybe dp should have done that instead of the jack-ass statement they did…. NR just gave the rumor – it’s happening in Mongolia! And he said something really positive about them too!

]]> By: Dave http://nikonrumors.com/2009/08/04/whats-wrong-with-outer-mongolia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-30967 Dave Wed, 05 Aug 2009 05:13:06 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6295#comment-30967 I think the editorial on dpreview was more aimed at Nikon than anyone else. Basically, dpreview signs a non-disclosure agreement and in exchange they got to play with a D300s for a little bit and have a short article prepared as soon as the camera is announced. So, they play by the rules because Nikon has implied dpreview will have a scoop. But someone within Nikon leaks the spec and pictures beforehand and dpreview would like to say something but can't because the the NDL they've signed. Everyone else is talking about it, but dpreview has to sit on their hands and keep their mouths shut. Some of the promo images of the D300 showed up here a month ago (and of course we debated as to whether or not they were real - turns out they were real). So NR and other sites are scooping dpreview and Nikon does nothing about and may even be responsible for the sources feeding NR and other blogs. Or maybe I just read it wrong. I think the editorial on dpreview was more aimed at Nikon than anyone else. Basically, dpreview signs a non-disclosure agreement and in exchange they got to play with a D300s for a little bit and have a short article prepared as soon as the camera is announced. So, they play by the rules because Nikon has implied dpreview will have a scoop. But someone within Nikon leaks the spec and pictures beforehand and dpreview would like to say something but can’t because the the NDL they’ve signed. Everyone else is talking about it, but dpreview has to sit on their hands and keep their mouths shut. Some of the promo images of the D300 showed up here a month ago (and of course we debated as to whether or not they were real – turns out they were real). So NR and other sites are scooping dpreview and Nikon does nothing about and may even be responsible for the sources feeding NR and other blogs.

Or maybe I just read it wrong.

]]> By: Alex http://nikonrumors.com/2009/08/04/whats-wrong-with-outer-mongolia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-30962 Alex Wed, 05 Aug 2009 03:19:44 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6295#comment-30962 wtf? wtf?

]]> By: arz http://nikonrumors.com/2009/08/04/whats-wrong-with-outer-mongolia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-30961 arz Wed, 05 Aug 2009 03:14:24 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6295#comment-30961 Just a quick note, none of you actually even know where Mongolia is on the map, and hardly anyone of you actually go search for it. Then, what the deal is inner and outter Mongolia, anyone knows? Admin, if you really love outer Mongolia, write a post with some detail of their people and culture. Not just use their name as part of the joke. Just a quick note, none of you actually even know where Mongolia is on the map, and hardly anyone of you actually go search for it. Then, what the deal is inner and outter Mongolia, anyone knows?

Admin, if you really love outer Mongolia, write a post with some detail of their people and culture. Not just use their name as part of the joke.

]]> By: Libby http://nikonrumors.com/2009/08/04/whats-wrong-with-outer-mongolia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-30959 Libby Wed, 05 Aug 2009 02:54:12 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6295#comment-30959 If DPR has their panties in a bunch over this, they should take it up with Chasseur d’Image magazine and leave those in Outer Mongolia alone ;-) It;s not the first time the book has had it on the money well in advance. With regards to "insider trading" well it's poor phrasing. And DPR should realize by this time that some leaks can be intentional. The post above is correct about DPR being on a short leash these days. So the whining is all that's left. Thanks for a nice site, and I really appreciate the Leica section. If DPR has their panties in a bunch over this, they should take it up with Chasseur d’Image magazine and leave those in Outer Mongolia alone ;-) It;s not the first time the book has had it on the money well in advance.

With regards to “insider trading” well it’s poor phrasing. And DPR should realize by this time that some leaks can be intentional.

The post above is correct about DPR being on a short leash these days. So the whining is all that’s left.

Thanks for a nice site, and I really appreciate the Leica section.

]]> By: NikoDoby http://nikonrumors.com/2009/08/04/whats-wrong-with-outer-mongolia.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-30958 NikoDoby Wed, 05 Aug 2009 01:50:14 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6295#comment-30958 Nikonrumors and Dpreview Mongolian BEER SUMMIT thursday @ Obama's place. Nikonrumors and Dpreview Mongolian

BEER SUMMIT

thursday @ Obama’s place.

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