Comments on: IT HAS BEGUN! (Nikon D300s, D3000 + the two lenses) http://nikonrumors.com/2009/07/30/it-has-begun.aspx/ where there’s smoke there’s fire Fri, 25 May 2012 09:06:37 +0000 hourly 1 By: Ron Adair http://nikonrumors.com/2009/07/30/it-has-begun.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-30474 Ron Adair Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:19:55 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6019#comment-30474 I should clarify: I'm a d2x and d700 owner. The only thing I was considering these bodies for was commercial quality 24p video. Do I NEED full 1080p? No. I can make do with 720p. Heck, I can "make do" with the codec, and even with the jello shutter and no manual controls. Still, the overwhelming question as I've had a few grand waiting to go out to a new VSLR is not "Can I make do?", but whether or not I WANT to. I'm not sure I really want to invest the time, money, and trouble to get a good image from these bodies. Video is difficult enough to master. Throw in the added problems of the jello images, and the lack of manual control for fine-grained precision in motion, depth of field, and exposure, (all at the same time) and I'm really doubtful I want to leap in this direction. For me it's really a matter of getting what would satisfy my desire to create commercial quality work. If it can come in a Nikon system, in which I'm already happily entrenched, then great. If not, then I'll patiently continue to wait it out for a RED Scarlet/Epic package. If the 300s indeed doesn't address the two greatest issues, (imo this is manual control and jello shutter), then I may just wait until the end of the year and see what RED does. If nothing's announced by then, I guess it'll be a Nikon and the extra work involved to create killer work. I should clarify: I’m a d2x and d700 owner. The only thing I was considering these bodies for was commercial quality 24p video. Do I NEED full 1080p? No. I can make do with 720p. Heck, I can “make do” with the codec, and even with the jello shutter and no manual controls.

Still, the overwhelming question as I’ve had a few grand waiting to go out to a new VSLR is not “Can I make do?”, but whether or not I WANT to. I’m not sure I really want to invest the time, money, and trouble to get a good image from these bodies. Video is difficult enough to master. Throw in the added problems of the jello images, and the lack of manual control for fine-grained precision in motion, depth of field, and exposure, (all at the same time) and I’m really doubtful I want to leap in this direction.

For me it’s really a matter of getting what would satisfy my desire to create commercial quality work. If it can come in a Nikon system, in which I’m already happily entrenched, then great. If not, then I’ll patiently continue to wait it out for a RED Scarlet/Epic package.

If the 300s indeed doesn’t address the two greatest issues, (imo this is manual control and jello shutter), then I may just wait until the end of the year and see what RED does. If nothing’s announced by then, I guess it’ll be a Nikon and the extra work involved to create killer work.

]]> By: Eli http://nikonrumors.com/2009/07/30/it-has-begun.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-30362 Eli Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:29:38 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6019#comment-30362 Except, the D40 is still a better camera than the D3000--by a lot. It doesn't have 11 AF points but it has a better screen, better high ISO performance (judging by D60/D80), better flash sync and a lower price. Except, the D40 is still a better camera than the D3000–by a lot. It doesn’t have 11 AF points but it has a better screen, better high ISO performance (judging by D60/D80), better flash sync and a lower price.

]]> By: Stu Mannion http://nikonrumors.com/2009/07/30/it-has-begun.aspx/comment-page-2/#comment-30354 Stu Mannion Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:33:10 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6019#comment-30354 Hey these videos look great! They are carefully designed to hide jello issues but even so it seems to be better than the D90. Do we know for sure that there's no manual control? Or is there? (in video mode). Has the bitrate of the mjpeg been stated? Hey these videos look great! They are carefully designed to hide jello issues but even so it seems to be better than the D90. Do we know for sure that there’s no manual control? Or is there? (in video mode). Has the bitrate of the mjpeg been stated?

]]> By: [NR] admin http://nikonrumors.com/2009/07/30/it-has-begun.aspx/comment-page-2/#comment-30351 [NR] admin Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:58:35 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6019#comment-30351 I have no confirmation yet, but I think we will see new Coolpix cameras next week. One of them with a build in projector. Maybe a P6000 update. There is definitely an event scheduled for that date in Austria - this is for sure. I have no confirmation yet, but I think we will see new Coolpix cameras next week. One of them with a build in projector. Maybe a P6000 update. There is definitely an event scheduled for that date in Austria – this is for sure.

]]> By: [NR] admin http://nikonrumors.com/2009/07/30/it-has-begun.aspx/comment-page-2/#comment-30350 [NR] admin Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:56:28 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6019#comment-30350 oh, this old - I will update it this weekend, It was the D300s not the D400 oh, this old – I will update it this weekend, It was the D300s not the D400

]]> By: capitaltpt http://nikonrumors.com/2009/07/30/it-has-begun.aspx/comment-page-2/#comment-30299 capitaltpt Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:03:09 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6019#comment-30299 So this lens focuses 0.4 feet closer than the current lens, yet has less of a reproduction ratio.....how does that work? I don't understand why Nikon can't have a 70-200 with a 1:3 ratio like the Sigma and Tamron versions. So this lens focuses 0.4 feet closer than the current lens, yet has less of a reproduction ratio…..how does that work? I don’t understand why Nikon can’t have a 70-200 with a 1:3 ratio like the Sigma and Tamron versions.

]]> By: Zabbu http://nikonrumors.com/2009/07/30/it-has-begun.aspx/comment-page-2/#comment-30298 Zabbu Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:58:21 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6019#comment-30298 NR Admin, I took a quick look at your price watch page, and you're saying that the D4000 is expected too? NR Admin, I took a quick look at your price watch page, and you’re saying that the D4000 is expected too?

]]> By: Anonymous http://nikonrumors.com/2009/07/30/it-has-begun.aspx/comment-page-2/#comment-30293 Anonymous Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:08:43 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6019#comment-30293 I so agree, the world is coming to an end because I can't make a cinematic masterpiece with an amateur stills camera. I thought Nikon's market was photography, not cinematography. I so agree, the world is coming to an end because I can’t make a cinematic masterpiece with an amateur stills camera. I thought Nikon’s market was photography, not cinematography.

]]> By: Stu Mannion http://nikonrumors.com/2009/07/30/it-has-begun.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-30292 Stu Mannion Thu, 30 Jul 2009 23:17:11 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6019#comment-30292 Not true. Rolling shutter and framerate are NOT related. Motion picture film cameras and Red One shoot 24p with little rolling shutter. It's all to do with the read-speed of the chip. If that hasn't changed from the D90 then the 'jello' will be the same. Not true. Rolling shutter and framerate are NOT related. Motion picture film cameras and Red One shoot 24p with little rolling shutter. It’s all to do with the read-speed of the chip. If that hasn’t changed from the D90 then the ‘jello’ will be the same.

]]> By: Rosco http://nikonrumors.com/2009/07/30/it-has-begun.aspx/comment-page-2/#comment-30290 Rosco Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:45:39 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6019#comment-30290 Is there still going to be 2nd announcement on August 4th too? Or was that a red herring? Cheers Is there still going to be 2nd announcement on August 4th too? Or was that a red herring?

Cheers

]]> By: Paulo Cristão http://nikonrumors.com/2009/07/30/it-has-begun.aspx/comment-page-2/#comment-30289 Paulo Cristão Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:35:51 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6019#comment-30289 First of all I must say to NR administrator, you have done an awesome job predicting this release! I was up at 5:00 am Portugal to see in firsthand the Nikon d300s, I love it. Have you seen these movies/photos taken with the d300s? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIXbmcPjUJw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if0ZFtkmdyE The video looks really nice doesn’t it? Keep up the good work!!! Paulo Cristão from Lisbon, Portugal First of all I must say to NR administrator, you have done an awesome job predicting this release! I was up at 5:00 am Portugal to see in firsthand the Nikon d300s, I love it.

Have you seen these movies/photos taken with the d300s?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIXbmcPjUJw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if0ZFtkmdyE

The video looks really nice doesn’t it? Keep up the good work!!!

Paulo Cristão from Lisbon, Portugal

]]> By: dave http://nikonrumors.com/2009/07/30/it-has-begun.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-30273 dave Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:29:23 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6019#comment-30273 yes, that was a bit of a surprise (ouch), especially since the D300s MSRP is pretty much the MSRP for the D300 up until recently. yes, that was a bit of a surprise (ouch), especially since the D300s MSRP is pretty much the MSRP for the D300 up until recently.

]]> By: Jurno http://nikonrumors.com/2009/07/30/it-has-begun.aspx/comment-page-2/#comment-30271 Jurno Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:25:20 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6019#comment-30271 From Nikon, re D-Movie: "Tripod mode gives you control over the depth of field with a selectable aperture of up to f/16." From Nikon, re D-Movie: “Tripod mode gives you control over the depth of field with a selectable aperture of up to f/16.”

]]> By: Bonzo http://nikonrumors.com/2009/07/30/it-has-begun.aspx/comment-page-2/#comment-30261 Bonzo Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:08:29 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6019#comment-30261 70-200: Only 0.12x maximum reproduction ratio at 1.4m, worse than before (0.17x at 1.4m). 70-200:
Only 0.12x maximum reproduction ratio at 1.4m, worse than before (0.17x at 1.4m).

]]> By: Jim http://nikonrumors.com/2009/07/30/it-has-begun.aspx/comment-page-2/#comment-30260 Jim Thu, 30 Jul 2009 18:00:16 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6019#comment-30260 To not have ANY manual controls for video is lame. People are just asking to be able to control aperture and shutter speed. It's not like we are asking for the world, lol. The d90 is an amazing camera for stills and I have even used it for video in specific situations, which has been really cool. But when you release the d300s 10-11 months later and still cannot correct this, it is a major gaffe. To not have ANY manual controls for video is lame. People are just asking to be able to control aperture and shutter speed. It’s not like we are asking for the world, lol.

The d90 is an amazing camera for stills and I have even used it for video in specific situations, which has been really cool.

But when you release the d300s 10-11 months later and still cannot correct this, it is a major gaffe.

]]> By: Jon Paul http://nikonrumors.com/2009/07/30/it-has-begun.aspx/comment-page-2/#comment-30257 Jon Paul Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:45:30 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6019#comment-30257 Have you considered a D90 and buying an external recording system with the difference (maybe a boom mic and a Zoom H4 or something)? I'm not criticizing, just curious. Have you considered a D90 and buying an external recording system with the difference (maybe a boom mic and a Zoom H4 or something)? I’m not criticizing, just curious.

]]> By: Chris http://nikonrumors.com/2009/07/30/it-has-begun.aspx/comment-page-2/#comment-30252 Chris Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:29:17 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6019#comment-30252 New 70-200: And I dislike that "VR" is now written in gold instead of red letters. :-( Edit: Last post on 1:24pm was about the D300s. cp New 70-200: And I dislike that “VR” is now written in gold instead of red letters. :-(

Edit: Last post on 1:24pm was about the D300s.

cp

]]> By: Chris http://nikonrumors.com/2009/07/30/it-has-begun.aspx/comment-page-2/#comment-30250 Chris Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:24:52 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6019#comment-30250 I dislike the memory card slot cover. It looks like to have the sleazy feel of Canon's memory card slot covers (and also D700's). Better it costs 10$ more but has the undestroyable old fashion Nikon memory card slot cover! :-( cp I dislike the memory card slot cover. It looks like to have the sleazy feel of Canon’s memory card slot covers (and also D700′s). Better it costs 10$ more but has the undestroyable old fashion Nikon memory card slot cover! :-(

cp

]]> By: Pansottin http://nikonrumors.com/2009/07/30/it-has-begun.aspx/comment-page-2/#comment-30231 Pansottin Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:43:43 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6019#comment-30231 Nikon D300=1679 USD (Body) Nikon D300s=1799 USD (Body) Canon 5DMark II= 2999 USD (Body) Scarlet (fix lenses)= 3750 USD (Body+lens) Scarlet (inter. lenses)= 2500 USD (Brain only) Ref. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2F&tag=nikorumo-20&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=390957" rel="nofollow">Amazon.com</a> Nikon D300=1679 USD (Body)
Nikon D300s=1799 USD (Body)
Canon 5DMark II= 2999 USD (Body)
Scarlet (fix lenses)= 3750 USD (Body+lens)
Scarlet (inter. lenses)= 2500 USD (Brain only)

Ref.
Amazon.com

]]> By: RThomas http://nikonrumors.com/2009/07/30/it-has-begun.aspx/comment-page-2/#comment-30223 RThomas Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:13:02 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=6019#comment-30223 There goes my savings account. I think I will buy a D300s, now that I know it has an external mic input... just need an update of the 17-35mm f/2.8 now! Another thing I would like to see Nikon do is bring out "pancake" lenses to go with the D3000. That would be a nice, compact alternative to a "digital rangefinder." There goes my savings account. I think I will buy a D300s, now that I know it has an external mic input… just need an update of the 17-35mm f/2.8 now!

Another thing I would like to see Nikon do is bring out “pancake” lenses to go with the D3000. That would be a nice, compact alternative to a “digital rangefinder.”

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