Comments on: New type of build-in flash in the next entry level Nikon DSLR? http://nikonrumors.com/2009/02/13/new-type-of-build-in-flash-in-the-next-entry-level-nikon-dslr.aspx/ where there’s smoke there’s fire Fri, 25 May 2012 00:14:09 +0000 hourly 1 By: MB http://nikonrumors.com/2009/02/13/new-type-of-build-in-flash-in-the-next-entry-level-nikon-dslr.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-17024 MB Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:32:10 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=3134#comment-17024 Nikon do make SB400 that can do slave mode, it is called Wireless Remote Speedlight SB-R200. It costs more than regular SB400 and could not be used as a regular flash, but it is SB400 in disguise. Nikon does not make all of built in flashes being able to work in commander mode because they are so cheap and are looking a way on how to bring costs down on every cent. I think they should look at what Sony is doing (all Sony α-s with built in flash can do commander mode), Nikon should not expect that someone using D40 or D60 will spend 250$ on SU-800 or 70$ on a cable just to be able to control remote flashes. The other Nikon stupidity is that they have stopped making ring macro flashes and are now offering inconvenient 700$ Commander Kit R1C1 instead. This has just given third party vendors chance to fill that niche. Nikon do make SB400 that can do slave mode, it is called Wireless Remote Speedlight SB-R200. It costs more than regular SB400 and could not be used as a regular flash, but it is SB400 in disguise.
Nikon does not make all of built in flashes being able to work in commander mode because they are so cheap and are looking a way on how to bring costs down on every cent. I think they should look at what Sony is doing (all Sony α-s with built in flash can do commander mode), Nikon should not expect that someone using D40 or D60 will spend 250$ on SU-800 or 70$ on a cable just to be able to control remote flashes.
The other Nikon stupidity is that they have stopped making ring macro flashes and are now offering inconvenient 700$ Commander Kit R1C1 instead. This has just given third party vendors chance to fill that niche.

]]> By: Anonymous http://nikonrumors.com/2009/02/13/new-type-of-build-in-flash-in-the-next-entry-level-nikon-dslr.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-16948 Anonymous Sat, 14 Feb 2009 19:32:06 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=3134#comment-16948 A zoom flash head in the pop-up flash would make more sense. I remember Canon had it in EOS5/A2E a decade ago or so. Probably they still hold the patents though. A zoom flash head in the pop-up flash would make more sense. I remember Canon had it in EOS5/A2E a decade ago or so. Probably they still hold the patents though.

]]> By: drp http://nikonrumors.com/2009/02/13/new-type-of-build-in-flash-in-the-next-entry-level-nikon-dslr.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-16933 drp Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:07:05 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=3134#comment-16933 if Nikon really wants to sell flashes they should leverage their advanced wireless system throughout their lineup EVERY nikon camera should be able to be a commander of at least one group - how about built in IR commander mode? the SB400 should be able to be a commander they should offer a SB400 that can be a slave offer a Nikon umbrella kit i could sell all day a SB400 slave with umbrella kit with an entry level SLR if there is anything that would help people get better pictures it would be an off camera flash with an umbrella on a light stand Nikon should build a powerful (GN250) AA operated slave flash - no pivot or zoom, aluminum body, ring mount attachment $250 make up for the low cost with accessories if Nikon really wants to sell flashes they should leverage their advanced wireless system throughout their lineup

EVERY nikon camera should be able to be a commander of at least one group – how about built in IR commander mode?

the SB400 should be able to be a commander

they should offer a SB400 that can be a slave

offer a Nikon umbrella kit

i could sell all day a SB400 slave with umbrella kit with an entry level SLR

if there is anything that would help people get better pictures it would be an off camera flash with an umbrella on a light stand

Nikon should build a powerful (GN250) AA operated slave flash – no pivot or zoom, aluminum body, ring mount attachment $250

make up for the low cost with accessories

]]> By: alex http://nikonrumors.com/2009/02/13/new-type-of-build-in-flash-in-the-next-entry-level-nikon-dslr.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-16921 alex Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:19:50 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=3134#comment-16921 there is no camera on the market with global shutter. it's hard to do and very costly. that's why all cmoses roll today. don't expect that on entry leve dslr. try the $30k camcorder price range first. radio flash can't be done by nikon or canon. can't be approved worldwide for radio communications. there is no camera on the market with global shutter. it’s hard to do and very costly. that’s why all cmoses roll today.

don’t expect that on entry leve dslr. try the $30k camcorder price range first.

radio flash can’t be done by nikon or canon. can’t be approved worldwide for radio communications.

]]> By: [NR] admin http://nikonrumors.com/2009/02/13/new-type-of-build-in-flash-in-the-next-entry-level-nikon-dslr.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-16893 [NR] admin Sat, 14 Feb 2009 02:38:42 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=3134#comment-16893 I should have known that - I run http://leicarumors.com/ :) I should have known that – I run http://leicarumors.com/
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]]> By: LR6 http://nikonrumors.com/2009/02/13/new-type-of-build-in-flash-in-the-next-entry-level-nikon-dslr.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-16891 LR6 Sat, 14 Feb 2009 01:57:21 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=3134#comment-16891 I must be one of the few that has a SB-400 and loves it. Price vs. functionality was the right mix for me. However I do believe that this is a great idea. I have known several others who have bought a DSLR recently and it has been difficult to get them to understand what you can do with a better flash. They would rather put the cash into lenses. And if this rumor is true and it is close to the SB-400 it will be good enough for a lot of people a lot of the time. I must be one of the few that has a SB-400 and loves it. Price vs. functionality was the right mix for me.

However I do believe that this is a great idea. I have known several others who have bought a DSLR recently and it has been difficult to get them to understand what you can do with a better flash. They would rather put the cash into lenses.

And if this rumor is true and it is close to the SB-400 it will be good enough for a lot of people a lot of the time.

]]> By: niomo http://nikonrumors.com/2009/02/13/new-type-of-build-in-flash-in-the-next-entry-level-nikon-dslr.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-16890 niomo Sat, 14 Feb 2009 01:00:14 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=3134#comment-16890 i need plus dynamic range and 16 bit processor i need plus dynamic range and 16 bit processor

]]> By: web http://nikonrumors.com/2009/02/13/new-type-of-build-in-flash-in-the-next-entry-level-nikon-dslr.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-16889 web Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:56:15 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=3134#comment-16889 love my sb400! love my sb400!

]]> By: Canon Rumors http://nikonrumors.com/2009/02/13/new-type-of-build-in-flash-in-the-next-entry-level-nikon-dslr.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-16886 Canon Rumors Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:36:23 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=3134#comment-16886 Panasonic already "innovated" a useful popup flash on the L1. It can bounce, aim forward or fling a penny a good 2-3 feet when you pop it up. Panasonic already “innovated” a useful popup flash on the L1.

It can bounce, aim forward or fling a penny a good 2-3 feet when you pop it up.

]]> By: Mike http://nikonrumors.com/2009/02/13/new-type-of-build-in-flash-in-the-next-entry-level-nikon-dslr.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-16885 Mike Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:34:59 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=3134#comment-16885 A built-in bounce flash is a great idea, however not a new one. Panasonic did this years ago with the LC1 (a great cam to operate BTW) and on their first DSLR - the L1. I used to have the LC1 and the flash was great. It had two positions - dead-ahead and 45 degrees up. It wasn't super powerful but for occasional shots in not to high rooms it was awesome and you needn't to carry an extra flash. Now if Nikon can do the same but add a 90 degree tilt position I'll be the first one to get this baby. It might not be the real thing for pros but for ambitious amateurs like I am a dream come true. A built-in bounce flash is a great idea, however not a new one. Panasonic did this years ago with the LC1 (a great cam to operate BTW) and on their first DSLR – the L1.

I used to have the LC1 and the flash was great. It had two positions – dead-ahead and 45 degrees up. It wasn’t super powerful but for occasional shots in not to high rooms it was awesome and you needn’t to carry an extra flash.

Now if Nikon can do the same but add a 90 degree tilt position I’ll be the first one to get this baby. It might not be the real thing for pros but for ambitious amateurs like I am a dream come true.

]]> By: NakedLens http://nikonrumors.com/2009/02/13/new-type-of-build-in-flash-in-the-next-entry-level-nikon-dslr.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-16883 NakedLens Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:16:01 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=3134#comment-16883 Rumors are than an SB-700 should be expected this year as a replacement for the -600. I doubt they'll put a commander mode in though, since they're investing so much in marketing the capabilities of the 900. Rumors are than an SB-700 should be expected this year as a replacement for the -600. I doubt they’ll put a commander mode in though, since they’re investing so much in marketing the capabilities of the 900.

]]> By: NakedLens http://nikonrumors.com/2009/02/13/new-type-of-build-in-flash-in-the-next-entry-level-nikon-dslr.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-16882 NakedLens Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:14:33 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=3134#comment-16882 They could run an LED spot light for that, wouldn't cost too much or draw too much power. The downside is that I'm not sure how effective it could be for still work, I think you'd still need a standard flash for that. They could run an LED spot light for that, wouldn’t cost too much or draw too much power. The downside is that I’m not sure how effective it could be for still work, I think you’d still need a standard flash for that.

]]> By: NakedLens http://nikonrumors.com/2009/02/13/new-type-of-build-in-flash-in-the-next-entry-level-nikon-dslr.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-16881 NakedLens Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:10:19 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=3134#comment-16881 v5.02 is the latest, it was released in November. I still get the occasional overheat, but only if I'm blasting away full power, and even then all I have to do is swap batteries and wait a couple of minutes. By the way, I use Duracell & Eneloop rechargables, I'm not sure how fast the overheating will occur with alkalines. v5.02 is the latest, it was released in November. I still get the occasional overheat, but only if I’m blasting away full power, and even then all I have to do is swap batteries and wait a couple of minutes.

By the way, I use Duracell & Eneloop rechargables, I’m not sure how fast the overheating will occur with alkalines.

]]> By: Bonetti http://nikonrumors.com/2009/02/13/new-type-of-build-in-flash-in-the-next-entry-level-nikon-dslr.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-16877 Bonetti Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:12:15 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=3134#comment-16877 I think the new flash will be like a light for video mode I think the new flash will be like a light for video mode

]]> By: Richard Gillin http://nikonrumors.com/2009/02/13/new-type-of-build-in-flash-in-the-next-entry-level-nikon-dslr.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-16876 Richard Gillin Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:41:21 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=3134#comment-16876 I think a new type of flash would be best in a D60 replacement. Do it in the D40 replacement and it adds cost where margins are thinnest and competition keenest. Do it in the D60 and people are looking at that because they DO want something slightly more adaptable... On the topic of flash, an SB-700 which has the features of the SB-800 would be nice. The SB-900 is a really good flash but it's too darn big! I think a new type of flash would be best in a D60 replacement. Do it in the D40 replacement and it adds cost where margins are thinnest and competition keenest. Do it in the D60 and people are looking at that because they DO want something slightly more adaptable…

On the topic of flash, an SB-700 which has the features of the SB-800 would be nice. The SB-900 is a really good flash but it’s too darn big!

]]> By: MB http://nikonrumors.com/2009/02/13/new-type-of-build-in-flash-in-the-next-entry-level-nikon-dslr.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-16874 MB Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:01:50 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=3134#comment-16874 D60 introduced sensor cleaning, LCD auto-off sensor, and ... you are right, that's about it. As for what we could really expect from new Nikon Dx000 DSLR look no further then D90 (sensor, processor, video …) and new Coolpix P90 (or Sony α300) LCD screen, shake it well and you will get an idea. As for target market, it would not be that entry level at all if you consider a price … New all inclusive built-in flash … slim chance … D60 introduced sensor cleaning, LCD auto-off sensor, and … you are right, that’s about it.
As for what we could really expect from new Nikon Dx000 DSLR look no further then D90 (sensor, processor, video …) and new Coolpix P90 (or Sony α300) LCD screen, shake it well and you will get an idea.
As for target market, it would not be that entry level at all if you consider a price …
New all inclusive built-in flash … slim chance …

]]> By: Nikkoryan http://nikonrumors.com/2009/02/13/new-type-of-build-in-flash-in-the-next-entry-level-nikon-dslr.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-16872 Nikkoryan Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:16:39 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=3134#comment-16872 An integrated infrared TV remote....please! An integrated infrared TV remote….please!

]]> By: Pablov http://nikonrumors.com/2009/02/13/new-type-of-build-in-flash-in-the-next-entry-level-nikon-dslr.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-16871 Pablov Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:14:59 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=3134#comment-16871 I guess I also read some firmware update about that better check Nikon's website I guess I also read some firmware update about that

better check Nikon’s website

]]> By: Anonymous http://nikonrumors.com/2009/02/13/new-type-of-build-in-flash-in-the-next-entry-level-nikon-dslr.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-16870 Anonymous Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:13:06 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=3134#comment-16870 SB-900 firmware didn't say anything about overheating. use right batteries and it works just fine. i think nikon are going to build a robot with a camera head, you can order it to start walking to anywhere on this planet and take pictures for you while you're sitting in front of TV eating top ramen. SB-900 firmware didn’t say anything about overheating. use right batteries and it works just fine.

i think nikon are going to build a robot with a camera head, you can order it to start walking to anywhere on this planet and take pictures for you while you’re sitting in front of TV eating top ramen.

]]> By: Willis http://nikonrumors.com/2009/02/13/new-type-of-build-in-flash-in-the-next-entry-level-nikon-dslr.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-16869 Willis Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:55:42 +0000 http://nikonrumors.com/?p=3134#comment-16869 Definitely would like to see a tilting LCD... probably the only way Nikon could improve upon what they have done already. Integrated VR would be great to, but Nikon will never do it until they stop making money off of people upgrading their non VR lenses to VR (24-70 anyone?). Personally I prefer having it on lens (cost aside) because I like having a dedicated switch to turn it off when I'm using a tripod. Improved LiveView auto-focus. Personally, I don't use LiveView very often on my D90. I do occationally like to shoot at ground level (or some other inconvenient height), in which case I use live view... its just not convenient unless I also have a reticulating LCD. Give me that first, and then I might be interested in better AF (It works well enough for me, but I mostly shoot still subjects when using Liveview). Definitely would like to see a tilting LCD… probably the only way Nikon could improve upon what they have done already.

Integrated VR would be great to, but Nikon will never do it until they stop making money off of people upgrading their non VR lenses to VR (24-70 anyone?). Personally I prefer having it on lens (cost aside) because I like having a dedicated switch to turn it off when I’m using a tripod.

Improved LiveView auto-focus. Personally, I don’t use LiveView very often on my D90. I do occationally like to shoot at ground level (or some other inconvenient height), in which case I use live view… its just not convenient unless I also have a reticulating LCD. Give me that first, and then I might be interested in better AF (It works well enough for me, but I mostly shoot still subjects when using Liveview).

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