Comments on: Sony A800 with 15.2MP sensor at PMA?

By: WhiteSites

WhiteSites — Wed, 04 Mar 2009 08:49:43 +0000

If the A800 has ISO 12800, and 6+ FPS. I would replace my a700 with it

By: tito

tito — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:02:38 +0000

I see, your girl is the photographer here.

By: yadda

yadda — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:33:16 +0000

thanks for that. i needed a laugh this morning!

By: yadda

yadda — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:30:44 +0000

are you serious? you thin sony should hand their rivals a competitive advantage (or take such an advantage away from themselves)? sure, they’re being dictated to – welcome to capitalism. if nikon dislikes the system then it is free to develop its own sensors. that will make the “problem” go away.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:30:25 +0000

By: Pablov

Pablov — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 03:44:12 +0000

I was confused because there are many PMA events, and didn’t know what is the photography related one.

It seems to be on march, isn’t it ?

By: Jabs

Jabs — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:41:29 +0000

You posted:

[NR] admin Reply:
January 22nd, 2009 at 8:04 pm

thanks for the nice commentary… long comments means to me that people care about a topic and it was worth publishing it.

I reply:
When you love Technology, you express this in the best way that you can. Too many replies are short and argumentative without giving a reason as to why. I refuse to debate people about what is better as each person has their own needs, likes and wants. I know what I like and I expect others to respect that just like they expect me to respect their needs, likes and wants.
In cameras some like big bodies with motor drives or small bodies with or without motor drives.
I used two N4004 with 35-70 F2.8 for street shooting in NYC but for most of my shooting, I preferred an F3 or an F4s as they were easier to handle with a long lens (think 50-300 F4.5 and 300 F4.0 AF) and were more precise – MEANING, I could repeatedly get the same PERFORMANCE, THE SAME RESULTS AND THE SAME PICTURE QUALITY FROM THE ‘F series’ Nikons compared to say the FA, N2002 or N4004 (I had all and carried them all too … LOL).
I also like the compressed perspective of a longer lens at times!
I prefer 100% viewfinders as I shoot and get unmounted slides, so I need to know what I am getting – are my requirements.
Cameras are closer now, but the PRO models do consistently better as I would often shoot two F3′s along with say an N4004 and at times the F3′s just blew everything away even when I used the same lens on another Nikon body.
Sort of like shooting a D300 versus say a D3 or a D700 … you see the differences if you look.
Now, the D3X changes all the rules and now it needs some competition … LOL!
Come on Canon … GET with it, please … LOL!
Again thank you for this Nikon Rumors web site and I am looking forward to what Nikon releases in LENS and perhaps a few bodies this year … MAYBE at PMA, eh?
Have a good one!

By: Jabs

Jabs — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:18:29 +0000

Martin – you posted this -(sorry but the REPLY feature does not work for me… LOL!) – hence separate post as reply

… Microhistory! Only time will tell… in ten years time pentax might be spanking sony, canon and nikons asses although not very likely

I personally think sigma will play a big role in the future!

My Reply:
Nice comment on ‘microhistory’ – dating myself eh?

I prefer to not guess much about the future especially in Technology.
You live and learn perhaps.
Though a Nikon person, I would also like to see a refinement of the Sigma Faveon sensor as it offers great slide like qualities to my eyes. If only they could design a PRO camera version of that promising Technology and get it to work consistently !!!
Often, one sees obscure Companies come out of almost nowhere and dominate an Era while the previous leaders become ‘also-rans’ … LOL!
Therefore I prefer to deal with Technology without guessing, as I have seen better products supplanted by worse products such as an Amiga A3000 Computer being technically better than anything out there at that time and then falling into chaos. I have been in computers for a long time, also.

I was wondering about if that was going to be the way of Nikon until I read about and looked at the IMAGES of the D3 and more recently the astounding images of the D3X. Being a slide shooter and never really caring for color negative film except perhaps Kodak Ektar 25 and Fuji Reala 100, then I equate the best DSLR’s with slide film and the exacting shooting requirements.
Electronics is weird and anyone can dominate at any given time BUT they cannot rest on their laurels as they will get passed.
Maybe in 10 years we will be shooting with a new Technology totally different from today, so why guess?
Ten years ago people did not believe that 35mm film and cameras would be equaled or even passed … so what about ten years down the road.
No guesses here on my part.

By: [NR] admin

[NR] admin — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:05:34 +0000

Yes, I noticed that today and was thinking the same way – could Sony cut their DSLR line or reduce future development budgets? They got to cut something.

By: [NR] admin

[NR] admin — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:04:04 +0000

thanks for the nice commentary… long comments means to me that people care about a topic and it was worth publishing it

By: Martin

Martin — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 00:52:12 +0000

Microhistory! Only time will tell… in ten years time pentax might be spanking sony, canon and nikons asses although not very likely

I personally think sigma will play a big role in the future!

By: Jabs

Jabs — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:32:24 +0000

LOL!
Thanks for what?

I enjoy your web site but I rarely comment at web sites anymore as people are a little too ‘hot-headed’ for me.

I shot mainly slides years ago on F4s, F3HP with MD4 and even had an F3AF (plus 80mm F2.8 and 200mm F3.5 ED-IF were great but AF of F3AF was in its’ infancy then, but it taught you how to focus accurately) plus an F3T Chrome. Loved them all.
Shot K25, K64 and then switched to Fujichrome Velvia 50D and also loved 64T.
People often fail to realize that History often repeats itself and often give us analogies. I love cameras and photography and have used Nikons all my life though one of my brother shoots Leica’s and Canons while another shot only Nikon FM2 (manual with high X-sync).
Can you imagine the arguments we had … LOL!
Some like small cameras but I prefer motor driven BIG bodies with motor drives, as they are like ballast when shooting a long lens as my hands are big … LOL!
I tried Leicas (my brothers) but they were not my thing (no comment). I liked the Nikon FA (owned one with MD15 … sweet but no F3) and I even used the Yashica Mat – twin lens with the waist level finder but it was weird. It reminded me of the waist level finder for the F3 but the images from Velvia in medium format was exceptional for the price of the camera.
I love film (slides ONLY but B+W print film) and now looking forward to digital but it is so expensive … LOL!
Photographic arguments are nothing new as I used to use a DW-4, 6X mag F3 head to view my slides for sharpness (it had an adjustable diopter) … PIXEL peeping then.
Cameras fall into different categories just like lens do.
I remember the 105 F2.5 and the 55 F2.8 Micro Nikkor = legendary sharpness but when I tried the ‘el-cheapo’ 75-150 f3.5 Series E, I surprised a lot of people with the images taken by this less than a $100.00 lens. It had great sharpness but ‘consumer build quality’, so equate that with much today. The ‘KIT Lens’ is the equivalent of the Nikkor Series E now and thus learn your optics and their application and strengths before you rant … LOL!

Keep up the good work.

By: [NR] admin

[NR] admin — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:38:33 +0000

Wow! I think this is the biggest post so far – Thanks!

By: [NR] admin

[NR] admin — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:37:50 +0000

Pablo:
http://www.pmai.org/

By: Jabs

Jabs — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:37:15 +0000

How is everyone here?
I think in reading most of the posts here that people do not have an idea of the huge differences between Nikon and Sony.
Sony is a very large and innovative Electronics giant with their hands into almost every facet of Electronics Technology and they are very good – look at Sony Broadcast Equipment as an example, if you doubt me.
Nikon on the other hand is a “perfectionist” Company trying to learn Marketing from the likes of Canon or Sony, but technically, they are better than both in Professional Cameras.
Nikon has EXPERIENCE in designing so many masterful CAMERAS in its’ F Series that makes others pale in comparison. Canon dominated the first half of the SWITCH to digital from film, because they had a NEW EF mount and more megapixels and just blew by Nikon (which seemed hesitant at first).
However Nikon took the time to ENGINEER their Cameras like they did with the various F Series and now have blown by Canon and all others.
A PRO needs a well ENGINEERED Camera that is fast, responsive and also DOES NOT get into the way of an intuitive use of this TOOL (camera) to get the best shot they can under strenuous conditions .
Right now we seem to be back to the days of the Canon NEW F1 versus Nikon F3HP and I used both of these cameras and the F3 was really revolutionary then.
ERGO today, the D3 – It caught Canon napping and the D3X has caught even more people napping. Engineering is Nikon’s forte and they make equipment with Photographer’s in mind a lot better than almost any other Manufacturer in my OPINION (Engineering wise). Canon is a great designer and a great Marketer (much better than Nikon) but they have flubbed lately as they rested on their laurels.
THE POINT:
Sony is great but is NEW to photography and has not built up a reputation YET, but never underestimate them IF you look at their BROADCAST line of Equipment. Sony does not have a body in the realm of a Nikon PRO BODY yet and they are learning perhaps quickly. In Marketing, you make something with the greatest SALES adage (megapixels, in this case) and use that to drive sales with perhaps gullible and misinformed buyers, ergo Canon’s 50D, as an example. *** MORE MEGA PIXELS = better! *** sort of like MEGAHERTZ or GIGAHERTZ marketing computers!
Sony bragged about its’ A900 and 24.6mp sensor but failed to make a PRO body, though a good first try.
Nikon has the EXPERIENCE and has used this wisely LATELY to blow past Canon and now we are where we are now.
Next:
I equate the “DSLR wars” to when Kodak fell asleep with Kodachrome K25 and K64 and Fuji introduced Velvia 50 and Fujichrome Professional 64T (one of my all time favorite slide films for certain indoor or even cave shooting). Canon is in the same place as Kodak was then and Nikon’s D3, D300, D700 and especially D3x has raised the bar greatly.
Kodak introduced T-Max high ISO film while Fuji released Neopan 100 to 1600 Professional black and white film. SEE the analogy?
T-Max, I used and hated it as its’ look was smooth mush – Preferred Agfapan 25 but T-Max had high ISO capabilities and the bragging rights.
Sony also became like T-Max with their A900,
Nikon went back to Engineering with the D3 and D3X (especially) and now from what I have seen (and DX0 verifies this) it has the most slide like depth and exquisite resolution of any DSLR that I have seen to date.
How do I see it?
Nikon went back to its’ roots – Engineering!
Canon rested on its’ laurels and got surpassed while sleeping, by Nikon!
Sony is trying to establish itself but does not have the experience in Photography, as you cannot BUY experience nor time.
Whenever the D400 comes out or whatever it is called, it will probably be a Marketing Camera with enough GOOD Engineering to keep it ahead of the curve and not megapixel us to death like the Canon 50D.
Nikon is a very small Company compared to Canon or Sony but they are SPECIALISTS and their PRO Cameras reflect that.
A Camera is a TOOL and with the best or most intuitive TOOL, a better photographer is often happier or it makes work easier for them.
A Camera is a TOOL!
Get busy using YOUR tool … LOL!

By: Ennan

Ennan — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:34:15 +0000

sony are a financial disaster at the moment – losing millions with the utter failure that is the playstation 3. The guy in charge wants to axe many “core” products like TV’s and walkmans. Sony are in no shape to buy anyone. £766 million pound loss!?! They were supposed to make £1600 million profit this year. Ouch!

By: Pablov

Pablov — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:19:19 +0000

good post, thanks !

By: Pablov

Pablov — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:17:43 +0000

what exactly date and location is PMA ?
I couldn’t find with accuracy. Thanks.

By: Pablov

Pablov — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:58:34 +0000

My original post didn’t appear, so here it goes:

– Yes, I do need a new Full Frame camera with features that Nikon still doesn’t offer, such as Full HD Movie mode with Full Manual Settings (and of course good quality level).
I won’t debate about Movie on DSLR, because those ones who still don’t understand it are because either they don’t know the benefits, or just don’t want it irrationally.

– And yes, I do need lenses too. New and improved ones.

We all have to understand that everyone have different Needs, possibilities and situations.

So many ones may not need new cameras, but others do. Just simple like that.

By: Fried Toast

Fried Toast — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 08:54:09 +0000

Thank you for explaining Japanese Business 101 to the rest of the forum-goers